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Meyer and Div too similar?

2012-02-14 11:24

In last week's column I highlighted the reasons why new Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer received such a high approval rating from rugby scribes and commentators across the spectrum. Notwithstanding this impressive endorsement, he is not perfect. In fact, there are indeed a few areas of concern that require further elucidation.

Put another way: What is “Un-special” about “The Special One?

When comparing Meyer with his predecessor Peter de Villiers, the similarities are not hard to spot. 

Meyer started out with the same “open running rugby philosophy” back in 2001 (which De Villiers espoused to when he started as Springbok coach in 2007) with the intention to change the way the Bulls would play the game under his tutelage. He was very much in favour of the fast game and won his first competition (Vodacom Cup in 2001) with a ball-in-hand brand of rugby. 

However, as pressure for instant success from the Blue Bulls Executive Committee and other pressure groups in Pretoria took its toll on the young coach, he started to abandon his preferred brand of rugby for what has brought success for the Blue Bulls in the past: their traditional forward-based game. 

Another aspect of his character which is strikingly similar to that of De Villiers's is his immense loyalty towards his players. This is one aspect that stood out during his tenure at the Blue Bulls. You often heard the players saying that they were “playing for the coach” because he “believed in them”. He has demonstrated this by listening to the needs of the players, seeking their input on game strategy and tried to accommodate how they, as a team and as individuals preferred to play the game. This approach is indeed preferred ahead of the more authoritarian alternative. However, if carried too far it can become a liability. Towards the end of De Villiers's tenure as Springbok coach, critics argued that he gave the senior players way too much leeway. Too much player-power eventually led to indecisive leadership and individualistic play, which in turn compromised the collective goal of the team.

The danger for the Springboks is that Meyer has had very limited coaching experience outside the protected walls of Loftus Versfeld, except for a very short jaunt into the English Midlands. His loyalty to the Bulls and the players he brought through the system has the real potential of constraining his objectivity when it comes to selecting the best available Springbok side for the country. 

Already there are rumours abound of Victor Matfield having contemplated a return “to play for the coach” (thankfully he has since decided not to) while a possible return of Fourie du Preez to captain the Springboks has been mooted. If this is Meyer’s doing, are we going to see Bakkies Botha back in Springbok colours as well?

When Meyer says that he will travel to Europe to speak to South African exiles about their interest in donning the Bok jersey, I am reminded of De Villiers’s trip to lure John Smit and Victor Matfield back in 2007. An exercise that ultimately (in my view) had a massive (negative) impact on the Boks’ ability to qualify for the RWC playoffs last year. I guess, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

A further consequence of Meyer’s rugby philosophy and Blue Bulls history is his stated belief in Morné Steyn as the first-choice pivot for the Springboks. It is therefore very likely that Steyn will be retained as the incumbent flyhalf. Where does this leave Patrick Lambie who clearly stands out as the country’s number one talent at flyhalf and who, in my opinion, should start playing in this position for the Springboks, sooner rather than later. How will Meyer deal with this conundrum? It has the potential to grow into a dilemma similar to the John Smit/Bismarck du Plessis saga.

Another chink in Meyer’s amour is the perception that he has not fully embraced transformation in rugby as an integral part of the South African rugby landscape. Under his reign the Blue Bulls professional teams have reflected the absolute minimum number of black players despite the availability of as many as seven players that could have played for the Currie Cup or Vodacom Cup teams at any one time. The culture at the Blue Bulls has throughout his tenure remained primarily white and Afrikaans. As a Black player you either had to fit into this constricted space or fade away. I have spoken many of these young black players, many of them from the Western and Eastern Cape, who found it extremely difficult to fit in. The question thus remains whether Meyer has since accepted transformation as a priority challenge or just a necessary evil to tolerate at the very bare minimum. Time will tell.

Finally, one aspect where he is very different from De Villiers is that he is somewhat publicity shy and tends to be a bit of a recluse. This will have to change and fast. In the past he has also been very reluctant to share his rugby knowledge and expertise with the rest of South Africa. It is going to be fascinating to see how Meyer deals with provincial and Super Rugby coaches who are reluctant to share their players and insight with the Springbok coach. 

When SARU had national coach’s indabas during Meyer’s reign at the Blue Bulls, he never bothered to attend these events, but dispatched one of his junior deputies instead as he seemed reluctant to move beyond the Bulls’ call of duty and actively serve the national cause. This time around the shoe will be on the other foot and he will experience the view from the other side. Getting the Super Rugby coaches to co-operate is a delicate exercise, one which none of his predecessors managed to overcome. 

He should know.

Meyer has “changed sides” (province to national) and as such his chances of success is now directly related to how quickly and effectively he can adapt to the demands of the new environment he finds himself in. 

Pieter-Dirk Uys summed it up fittingly in one of his earlier plays: “Adapt or Die”.

Gary Boshoff is a former SARU player and current Afrikaans rugby commentator on SuperSport.

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Comments
  • Bulldozer - 2012-02-14 11:36

    You can never compare Heyneke with the fisherman.

      Paul - 2012-02-14 12:00

      Yeah, as similar as chalk and cheese.

      roboman1 - 2012-02-14 12:55

      and to say Meyer's weakness is that he prefers Steyn to Lambie at flyhalf is a weakness within the journos knowledge. Even the Sharks coach last year did not select Lambie as his first choice at flyhalf. (Michalak). I reckon Meyer is an OK choice, I would have preferred a coach of colour to handle the politics, with 2 able assistants to do the actual coaching, rassie and another, but hey, Meyer is cool, if he can overcome the politics

      jack.oosthuysen - 2012-02-14 13:06

      At least you dont have to listen to a battery operated teddy bear.

      Sean - 2012-02-14 23:36

      LOL ! How can you compare Heyneke to Pdv , what a insult !! Pdv was never a coach , he was a BEE subject , finish and klaar !!!

      Sulaiman - 2012-02-15 08:45

      I was listening to Heart FM and they were interviewing De Villiers and he said they always say he was playing with White's team and he said that he nurtured more than half that team in the u21 SA team so who's team is it. MUCH RESPECT AFTER THAT INTERVIEW. If you have never met the Devil you are probably walking with him- Pieter De Villiers One of the many quotes he made in the interview.

      Chrono - 2012-02-15 11:00

      I think you can try to compare them but the DIFFERENCES will probably jump out right at you. If you don't want to see them however, you will miss them and be a very ordinary journalist.

  • sonnench - 2012-02-14 11:45

    Didn't even read the article, the title alone put me off.

      a.j.bosch - 2012-02-14 11:53

      Title and Author.

      a.j.bosch - 2012-02-14 11:54

      The only S24 writer who feels it justified to have his resume posted at the end of each piece.

      Jack - 2012-02-14 12:54

      Just read until he said that Meyer only coached at the Bulls - what a load of bs! He was part of the stormers setup under Viljoen and later was assistant to Mallet with the boks!!!

      Sean - 2012-02-14 23:37

      Another f@cked up piece by NEWS 24 !

  • Deon - 2012-02-14 11:55

    In national teams the best players must be on the field, independent of theire colour or race.

      Christopher - 2012-02-14 13:36

      I agree! Very surprising that some people "disliked" your comment. I don't care if the team is all white, all Black, all cloured or all Indian as long as they're the best players possible!

  • Eduard - 2012-02-14 12:00

    Kan immers verstaan as Heyneke praat, om mee te begin.

      Stanley - 2012-02-14 13:57

      van die wereld se beste afrigters kan nie eens reg engels praat nie veral sokker so moenie oppervlakkig dink nie kritiseer sy coaching ability

      Sean - 2012-02-14 23:38

      PDV gaan die bokke the PR Manager wees , lol !

      Eduard - 2012-02-15 10:00

      Stanley jou mot - "compare" die 2 met mekaar - lees reg voor jou wil antwoord. Nie die skerpste potlood in die sakkie nie.

  • Andre - 2012-02-14 12:02

    Ja right, what a laugh...

  • Abie - 2012-02-14 12:02

    Meyer is just lucky that the ANC politicians are so busy with the Julius Malema saga, that they did not have the change to interfere in his appointment. Whether he is the right man for the job???? Only time will tell.

  • acdcdclm - 2012-02-14 12:03

    Again I am saying, do you want to see the boks at nr. 1 or do you want to play losing rugby. Let Meyer be and let him do what he knows best and that is training rugby players to be winners.

  • Why - 2012-02-14 12:06

    Don's actually care much for the hype. Just keep on wining and make sure we never lose against OZ or England. I’m a simple South African supporter.

  • Ndira - 2012-02-14 12:13

    great article now lets wait and see what happens

      Johan - 2012-02-14 12:25

      What makes it great?

      Sean - 2012-02-14 23:39

      @Ndira - I hope you are being sarcastic ! Maybe you and the writer of this sh@t article are related ?

  • Philip - 2012-02-14 12:20

    Can see why you did not last with a professional outfit like the Bulls / or any other currently paying S15 (if you tried Gary) You should join forces with Cheeky !! The 2 of you could run your own franchise Called "The transformers" You will , if you try hard obtain a certain brand of Whiskey to sponsor you !! Every thing you say is always coupled with a undertone of race !! Go fly Please don't come back Do they pay you for the crap you write? You should try and work for a change !! Back to Div He had his strong and very good points Please respect him for that He had the respect of HIS players !!! He did it what he believed was correct !!Doesn't matter what who said!! Meyer: He will struggle at first but I believe he will point Springbok rugby in the right direction Wait and see what will happen in the 3rd and Fourth year Then Gary if your back from where you've flown we discuss! the crap you talked here above !!! Im prepared to help fund your ticket !! Talk sense or shut up!!!

      Eduard - 2012-02-14 12:24

      Se hom Philip.

  • Doc - 2012-02-14 12:22

    First he is a godsend now he lacking in transformation and impartiality. You are a retarded critic who tries to cover all his bases, pick a side any side moron and lets see how your predictions work out. Promise we wont laugh too hard if you are wrong.

  • Johan - 2012-02-14 12:23

    Gary, is daar niks anders om oor te skryf nie as die klomp BOG hierbo? Eish!!

  • Francois - 2012-02-14 12:24

    Really Gary?! How many Currie Cups and Super titles has Div won?

  • Alwyn - 2012-02-14 12:30

    Gary Botha is an absolute rascist, the Afrikaans culture is because of the environment that surrounds the Pretoria area (I am a Lion). And it has an added advantage for calls in the game as the opposition can't understand it.(Do I now have to apologise for my culture) This oke is an attention seeking idioit, he is the quota at SuperSport and Sport24. He always writes about the problems, but never blamed his idiot friend Divvy! There is no reason to bring the quota system up. I wish they would fire the oke. I change language option on DSTV when he commentates. Damn IDIOT! Cant believe Naspers prints this bull %^#^, their calabire or atricles has been useless the last two years.

      Chris - 2012-02-14 12:47

      Do you mean Gary Boshoff?

      Heiku - 2012-02-14 13:03

      Yeah I agree with everything you said. Gary can go write the rugby column in the daily sun or new age newspaper

      Alwyn - 2012-02-14 13:04

      Haha, sorry I mean Gary Boshoff! (The Naspers poor literacy bug bit me)

      christo.present - 2012-02-14 14:32

      Ja Alwyn jy is ook soos Naas Botha wat op 'n keer gese het. Swart mense kan nie rugby speel nie , net sokker. Julle mense glo die rugby is vir julle uitverkore wit nasie en verder ken julle nie die ander deel van die rugbygeskiedenis nie. waar ons skoolkinders nou nog op rugbyvelde speel wat vol klippe is met geen gras op nie en as hulle teen ander wit skole moet speel dan word die punte deur die wit skole afgestaan, want hulle is te bang vir die soort velde.

      Alwyn - 2012-02-14 15:08

      @ Christo: Affirmative Action "South Africa is the only country in the world where affirmative action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires affirmative action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others." London Times

      christo.present - 2012-02-17 00:21

      @Alwyn : Affirmative action. Waar leef jy en die London Times. Duidelik is daai 'n bewys van mense wat nie die geskiedenis ken nie. Die 9% waarvan gepraat word is vandag nog steeds in totaal ryker as die res van die inwoners saam. Ek dink jy moet op 'n ekskursie gaan na "townships" om jouself te vergewis van wat regtig in ons land aangaan , selfs 18 jaar na apartheid. Die bietjie superryk swartes is net 'n handvol

      hugo.naude - 2012-02-19 23:00

      christo.present ... uit watter boom het jy nou weer geval?? Het evolusie nog nie tot jou redding gekom nie (of is jy ook een van daardie dom ouens wat glo in feeverhale soos n wegraping).. Die London koerant is dieselfde een wat apartheid vir jare lank afgeskiet en gekritiseer het (toe was hy volgens jou natuurlik reg)... dus bleik die joernalis darem objektief te wees ... En die punt wat hy maak is baie duidelik - maar jy verkies (of is te toe) om dit raak te sien --- 91% word beskerm teen 9% deur BEE en AA ... wat se dit van die 91%??? G'n wonder ons is na 18 jr se vryheid nou net so agterlik en arm en korrup soos enige ander Afrika staat wat "vry" is van die verpestelike 9%... En dat die 9% nog steeds na 18 jaar van swart mag presteer en in n posisie is om hulle kinners te voed en op te voed en die belastings las te dra vir die 91% sodat jou kinners kan skoolgaan en eet --- se nogal baie vir die 9% se vermoeens ... So wees eerder dankbaar vir die 9% wat vir jou opvoeding en rekenaar betaal. PDV en jy klink na eenerse bobbejane ...

  • marthinus.muller - 2012-02-14 13:01

    no hoe het saru die man in diens geneem as hy dan in die verlede nie die vorige bok afrigters se superrugby vergaderings by gewoon nie,was dit nou uit haat uit omdat hy nie die vorige poste wat hy aansoek gedoen sukses vol was nie.en tranformasie sal nog moet plaasvind boetas ander gaan die minister van sport jou looi meyer ja jy gaan swrt sambok proe,vra ma die ander perre voor jou.die skrywer het n paar feite beet wat ek voel maak al klaar seer ne klawer ondersteuners,en as feite waar is waarom weg raap en se hy skryf bollie,nee die waarheid maak seer voor ons bokke opgedraf het,soe ek sal se sort ons persoonlike probleme uit voor enige superrugby,bok rugby en enige bal geskop uit te sort .

  • martin.gee.godfrey - 2012-02-14 13:07

    Meyer hasn't even started coaching and some journalists are trying to find "chinks in his armour"! Gary rather decline the request from Media24 for an article if you have nothing of substance to say. Meyer is in, PDivvy is out, let the new season start before commenting!

  • Jako - 2012-02-14 13:21

    Gary, jy is in my oe, een van die wereld se beste rugby skrywers. Wat het dan nou vandag fout gegaan? Dit klink baie amper of jy dink Heyneke is n rassis. Dit klink ook of jy n persoonlike probleem met die man het. Is jy nie dalk n bietjie rassisties nie? Ek wonder. Een ding waarmee ek saamstem is Morne Steyn

  • Groenkoors - 2012-02-14 13:22

    For one Meyer doesn't sound like he just sucked all of the helium out of a balloon. Also, Oregan Hoskins said that four years ago during interviews, Meyer had the most impressive transformation ideas from all the candidates (including Divvy). I'd rather try and compare Heyneke with Kitch.

  • Marius - 2012-02-14 13:37

    Hope he did not get paid to write this article.

  • Fred - 2012-02-14 13:52

    Hahahaha, Heyneke is similar to Div! Yeah right. Shows how much you know about rugby. Doff.

      Stanley - 2012-02-14 14:07

      julle ouens dink baie opervlakkig gary het maar net n paar comparisions gemaak hy moet darem iets opgemerk toe hy by die bulle was

      Fred - 2012-02-15 02:08

      Div had never coached at senior level. All comparison with Meyer therefore ends right there. He wasn't a senior coach, therefore not in a different category altogether.

      Fred - 2012-02-15 02:09

      Div had never coached at senior level. All comparison with Meyer therefore ends right there. He wasn't a senior coach, therefore in a different category altogether.

      Eduard - 2012-02-15 10:01

      Stanley moontlik net jy wat oppervlakkig is...

  • Kobus - 2012-02-14 13:54

    PD Uys se stuk was "Adapt or Dye", terwyl PW Botha gese het "Adapt or Die", redelike verskil in betekenis sou ek dink! Gary vat hier en daar raak in hierdie stuk, maar oor die algemeen nie .... net tyd sal leer!

  • johan.ferreira2 - 2012-02-14 13:56

    Baie na aan belaglik - belangstelling verloor by eerste paragraaf. Wie besluit watter artikels publiseer word, daardie ou moet aangespreek word.

  • johan.ferreira2 - 2012-02-14 14:00

    Baie na aan die belaglikste berig wat ek nog gesien het, die klein deeltjie wat ek gelees het, News24 kan gerus meer betaal en ordentlike skrywers kry.

      Gert - 2012-02-15 08:07

      Hulle hoef nie eers meer te betaal nie. Die blogs op Sport24 het beter opinies. Ek lees altyd Gary se rubriek en hy praat meesal sense, maar hier klink hy soos 'n oningeligte WP ondersteuner in die bar. Die Bulle het later oorgegaan na 'n meer bal in die hand tipe spel namate die spelers meer vertroud geraak het daarmee. En hulle was suksesvol daarmee. Heyneke se lojaliteit aan sy spelers was nog nooit 'n slegte ding nie en as 'n speler nie op vorm was nie, het hy hom vervang met die een wat wel wys hy kan die ding doen. Heyneke weet hoe om sy vaardigehede as sielkundige te gebruik om die beste uit sy spelers te kry. Maak nie saak wie hulle is nie. Heyneke het meer spelers van kleur deur die Bulle se stelsels gevat as baie ander afrigters en die wat kla dat hulle nie geleenthede kry nie moet maar net aanvaar dat hulle by 'n unie speel met baie talent an dat geleenthede min gaan wees. Ek is seker as hy hard genoeg soek sal hy blanke spelers kry wat dieselfde klagtes het, hulle kan net nie die raskaart speel nie. Kyk maar hoeveel blanke spelers ploeter by ander unies rond wat eers by die Bulle probeer het maar onsuksesvol was. Die rede hoekom hy so lojaal aan die Bulle se spelers was, was omdat hy die Bulle afgerig het. Hy kon nie rerig vir Schalk Burger as kaptein kies as Schalk vir WP speel nie. Kon hy? As nasionale afrigter sal Meyer in staat wees om nuwe verhoudinge op te bou, maar hy gaan ook aanhou met die wat hy reeds gebou het.

  • Christian - 2012-02-14 14:52

    The writer seems to overlook the most important differences between Meyer and de Villiers. Meyer was able to build a professional team from nothing and had success with that team for half a decade. That is why he has been chosen to coach the Springboks. De Villiers was given the job as Springbok coach after he made a stuff-up as coach in the second league and he then had the bonus of inheriting a World Cup winning team and didn’t have to build a team.

  • Robert - 2012-02-14 15:17

    Gary Boshoff - Go do something good with your time and shave your beard! You know your are making some crazy statements now! With articles like this I suggest you stop writing....No comment on transformation, we all know the truth about that.

  • theuns.pretorius - 2012-02-14 17:13

    Gary - are you really this silly or just trying to sell your articles? HM has not even had the opportunity to field a single side and you criticize him already? Give the bloke a chance! PdV inherited a world cup winning team and messed it all up - changing his game plan several times for something worse than the previous. He was the worst coach we had since Strauli and HM cannot be mentioned in the same breath. On another note - GO STORMERS!!!!

  • Kevin - 2012-02-14 17:16

    If ever I want to check if racism is alive and well, I just have to read the comments posted on sports 24 rugby articles...

      bfvillet - 2012-02-15 22:37

      thank you for that, actually turns my stomach to see how people still think of others.I get the idea that when it comes to matters of race stay away from news 24 are their readers not just representstive of who they are will today start to officially stop reading the vulgar hatred that is portrayed on most of the comments goodbye naspers

  • aiazmir - 2012-02-14 17:57

    Heyneke may surprise a few people. He is a student of the game and understands its history and culture. Anyone could sit back and criticize, say his heavy eyebrows, but if you know the man, he will get the job done as well as nay.

  • coolshoesouthafrica - 2012-02-14 19:14

    enjoyed the read, some very valid points

  • leon.viljoen1 - 2012-02-14 22:38

    What a lame ass reporter, it sounds to me like someone is naar because the coach isnt coulerd or black!!! What a chop......dont bring politics into the game the reason why not all seven black player were used is because they werent good enough you dumb ass!!!

  • Sean - 2012-02-15 01:54

    Gary, there is already transformation in Rugby for fraking sakes! Before you write crap articles like this why dont you write about transformation in SA football! Im sorry that a bunch of Afrikaanse speaking rugby players can make you (BLUSH). I cant believe some of the articles you write and that news24 employs you but atleast I know why you didnt succeed in playing rugby. From now on do all of us a favor and start putting out real articles. Your whole agenda of being a cancer in rugby and trying to disrupt the the transformation that is already going on in rugby is getting old, turn a new leaf and get over yourself! And to everybody out there, Quit this talk about transformation its old now, lets move on! Gary, can you adapt or die? Move on and write something better you Clown! I dare you to write something that is not useless crap!

  • Blue - 2012-02-15 04:12

    Gay Boshoff...another "transformation junkie".

  • Gert - 2012-02-15 07:54

    I usually try not to abuse the journalists because I feel they are in a better position to give their opinions than most of us mere mortals. But come one Gary. You can do better than this. Transformation? Bijorn Basson and Zane Kirschner were both bought from GW. Bryan Habana arrived at the Bulls and became a star. John Mametsa and Ndungane are legends at the Bulls. Chiliboy will ocasionally captain the side. The new boy Abongo may just be the next big thing at Loftus. (Maybe even try to get him citizenship) All of these players were fast tracked into the Bull's system. Sampie Mastriet also looks like a player to be considered. Then there's players like Hilton Lobberts, Danwell Demas, McNiel Hendricks and Dale Sandton to name a few. These guys were fast tracked into the Bulls' system bat failed to deliver. They also weren't that successful when they went to other unions. Who are you to say Heyneke doesn't do transformation. He have done more for transformation at the Bulls than most other SA coaches have done. He even gave Whayne Julies a chance to play for the Bulls (And Whayne was a damn fine player during that time)

  • Dustin - 2012-02-15 09:44

    No place in professional sport for transformation. No where in world sport would you find such idiotic reasoning.National teams represents the hopes and dreams of the nation whether they represent the demographic make up of society or not, who cares as long as they are successful. More should be done to lure and get more young kids of all colours involved at grass roots level. If anyone should be responsible for ensuring this happens it should be SARU not the individual provinces. Professional coaches like Meyer should be judged on whether they win or lose, that is it. Would be very interesting to hear what for instance Alex Ferguson would say if the FA suddenly decided he should field more players with Indian & Pakistani heritage to better represent the demographic make up of Manchester's society. By writing this article one wonders if this author still cannot come to grips with the fact that his potential whilst playing was not properly acknowledged because of the colour of his skin. He better than most should know the danger of employing a criteria such as this when deciding who should be picked or not.

  • Bob - 2012-02-15 09:45

    Great article Gary.

  • James - 2012-02-15 10:21

    Ja sorry Gary you have unfortunately let objectivity fly out of the window.. If you look hard enough you can find similarities between any two living people on earth!!! There is a HUGE difference between the two... Meyer has a proven track record where as PDV only had limited success... Im not necessarily a fan of Meyer, but there is NO ONE who deserves a shot more than him!!!

  • Duncan - 2012-02-15 16:18

    Gary Boshoff, stick to commentating on the game you are comparing apples to oranges. Idiot seriously... .

  • abe1wp - 2012-02-16 00:45

    Well written Gary. Another important observation is that Meyer takes long to achieve success with a team whereas PDV achieved success immediately once he took teams over. I guess we will loose against England and the Tri Nations for the next few years with "Stampkar Pakkie Pakkie" rugby.

      hugo.naude - 2012-02-19 23:05

      U can only be a wp fan ... shame man ... to show how little u tikrokers from the flasts know about rugby ... PDV had instant success?? really?? wow - what did u put in that tik -- was way too strong for u numbskull!!!

  • Lonne - 2012-02-16 05:51

    Well said Gary but of course these arrogant/hypocritical japies sees only the colour of the coach and not his short comings. Someone like you with years of rugby experience is well placed to evaluate a coach but because "you were not a springbok" these arrogant/racist/one eyed japies will always say "what does he know about rugby and to top it all off he is not even white" because rugby is the "white man's domain"!!! Gary I agree with you 100% because all these "scribes" on this site hailed Carel Dup as the "messiah" and (De) Straeuli as "one of the best rugby brains" around. Their records speak for itself. I said right from the start that SA will only be a contender for the 2019 RWC because they are not going win in 2015 with 1950 BB stampkar rugby.

  • Dianne - 2012-02-16 11:52

    except Meyer can like to spik englees better (and afrikaans for dat matta)

  • lionel.kritzinger - 2012-02-17 13:20

    Meeste punte gemaak is n pot vol stront... altyd iemand wat sy eie agenda het en probeer om iemand te diskrediteer.. Kry eerder die spirirt en wees meer supportive....

  • chr12s - 2012-02-18 08:40

    All I can say u talk a lot of rubbish -Chris

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