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Hunt was the readers' pick

2010-06-30 06:57
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Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – Pitso Mosimane’s appointment as new coach of Bafana Bafana appears imminent, but would he have been the public choice?

It is a question worth asking because Sport24 readers, at least, appear to have been much more squarely in the camp of Gavin Hunt, the man considered to have been the other realistic candidate in SAFA’s thoughts as successor to Brazilian Carlos Alberto Parreira.

It has been widely reported that Mosimane will finally be nailed down for the job on Thursday.

Only a few days ago, though, a poll on our site revealed that Hunt, who has steered SuperSport United to three Absa Premiership titles on the trot and been a TV studio pundit during the World Cup, would have been the preferred pick by some distance.

The former Hellenic right back, who would have learnt many of his managerial skills under the tutelage of the late Budgie Byrne, secured 1808 votes to Mosimane’s 607.

A further 391 people surveyed said they favoured Bafana placing trust in another “expert from abroad”.

But Mosimane appears to have been decided upon, with “continuity” cited as a key reason considering that he was assistant to Parreira and is believed to be popular with the nucleus of the Bafana squad.

Kagiso-born, the 45-year-old former Jomo Cosmos, Sundowns and Bafana (four caps) midfielder also managed SuperSport United, between 2001 and 2007, and held the national caretaker reins briefly in 2006, between the tenures of Ted Dumitru and then Parreira’s first in charge.

 

Your Comments

mike hibbert7/13/2010 6:58 PM
got to be Gavin Hunt, best SA Coach by a country mile.
Oom Ash7/6/2010 4:21 PM
Me again. Bafana soccer coaches are fighting a loosing battle you can never compare coaching a PSL side with coaching eg. a La Liga side to me is as wide as Inter Milan is from Kaizer Chief. I believe South African rugby players are better conditioned and developed than soccer players. Just compare junior soccer in South Africa with schools rugby I never heard of a schools soccer event compared to the schools rugby Craven week for primary and secondary schools. So SAFA and kie dont even need to go far to copy a development structure than I can also go and coach.
Oom Ash7/6/2010 3:04 PM
It will make no difference who is the coach if there are no quality players. If we cannot implement development structures let us borrow from the Germans or Netherlands. The descendants of the Dutch (Netherland) in South Africa plays rugby and are the best kickers of a ball (Naas Botha, De Wet Ras, Morney Steyn) bring soccer to them too they will make a difference. Make the soccer bigger. Soccer is not here as a business for Irvan Khoza and key.
agrippa Nyawuza7/5/2010 1:46 PM
It does not mean that if you are a deputy principal automatically you're going to be principal of the same school.Leave job resavation on this and employ based on your track record.
Analyst7/2/2010 8:10 AM
All been said and done i believe that pitso is a cup winner not a marathon winner. This for me tells me that pitso is a ryt person Garvin in a leage winner. My opinion anyway
isaac6/30/2010 10:58 PM
Fellow South Africans lets give Pitso a chance to prove himself all this critics isnot fair i believe Pitso will do his best towards 2014.We all said we want a local coach i know we are a winning nation once again give the man a fair chance.Good Luck Pitso.
GdT6/30/2010 5:58 PM
Gordon Ingesund should be the coach. I see his not even being mentioned. I'm not sure what Gordon did to piss off SAFA that they are forever ovelooking him. His CV speaks for itself. Gordon would be my choice and second would be Gavin Hunt. Pitso should come back to club level and prove himself 1st.
Proudly South African6/30/2010 4:16 PM
In order for South Africa to grow in sports, it's critical to rid of political and racial influences, there's no place for them in sport. These are often the result of things not pending out positively. A rigorous yet seamless process of electing a Bafana Bafana coach would've been a better option whereby a coach is elected on merit, not on political influence or racial status. The same should be the same with picking the squad. It's disappointing that there isn't enough or no representation of other racial groups in the squad. Why? Is it because other racial groups are not being taken serious when it comes to soccer participation? Or they are simply just getting ignored? Nevertheless, the focus should be on the developmental programmes, for players, coaches, managers, etc. I agree with the previous comments that we need to focus on setting up structures, resourcing the structures, putting in place proper monitoring and evaluation processes that will ensure the structures deliver on their mandate. Once that's in place, the same approach can be cascaded levels higher until at a National level. This would be a time consuming approach, yet it could really do South African soccer good. But obviously our soccer structures like SAFA, PSL, Vodacom, Mvela, etc. would need to find common ground and work together in achieving this. But how do we achieve that when there's so much in-fightings?
@Qminati6/30/2010 2:06 PM
well said my man. u speak from the head unlike the others who speak from the heart. all they see is race and hence its their emotions that speak. after reading ur contribution and the history or cv's of both men , i now see why pitso is the correct choice for the position
KG6/30/2010 2:01 PM
No one is really going to get credible opinions about local football in this site. Everything is all about US and THEM, OURS and THEIRS. There's hardly any quality in this opinions
tshepo6/30/2010 1:58 PM
only people that don't watch local soccer and pick Hunt because of his race would complain about Pitso Mosimane's selection. Fact is Pitso had SSU in the top 3 for 3 straight seasons and won 2 cup finals. Hunt has won 3 league titles. Hiring either man would be going in the right direction.
Mzu6/30/2010 1:51 PM
Supersport United played exciting football under Pitso. Of course most people here won't know that. Gordon Igesund has won I think 4 league titles, so what's the point?
Peter6/30/2010 1:36 PM
@ Pasta and Co: What a ridiculous argument that just because Pitso is in the national setup this should give him the edge? Only competence and excellence matters man!!! For all those claiming without evidence that Pitso "made" SSU and that based on this he is better than Hunt: you throw arround assertions as if it is fact! What did Pitso ACTUALLY win in this time with SSU? Two cups? Ja ne. Whereas Hunt one 3 league titles back to back. In other words, consistent excellent performance right through 3 seasons competing against clubs with much larger resources. And oh yes, one more thing about the competency debate, Hunt does have the UEFA qualifications, whereas Pitso does not. So please don't come and tell me they are equally qualified to coach Bafana!
Faruq Bello6/30/2010 1:29 PM
Continuity with Pitso means continued failure and under-achievement for Bafana Bafana. Parreira inspite of the great preps was a failure @ SWC just like he was @ 2006 ACN. Give Hunt a chance just like Dunga with Brazil.
Tasto6/30/2010 1:18 PM
Safa Bantu !! 1 step forward 5 steps backward !!
Qminati6/30/2010 12:40 PM
Well Mr Houwing, it's blatantly clear that your readers / voters do not know too much about South African football. Gavin Hunt took over the reigns at Supersport from Pitso Mosimane, who had by that time, turned them into a formidable side which constantly challenged for league honours...a huge improvement on what his predecessors had achieved. There is no doubt that both men are capable coaches but it would be unfair to try and compare their achievements in an attempt to select one as being better than the other. Here are some facts: Gavin Hunt coached Moroka Swallows before moving onto Supersport United. His successes there were very limited despite the club being one of the more 'richer' teams in terms of sponsorships etc. Mosimane took over Supersport from Shane McGregor / Bruce Grobelaar and turned Supersport United into a competitive youthful outfit. During his tenure there, they signed an agreement with Feyenoord of Holland where their academies would share expertise and several of Supersport's own players would get trials in Holland if they were deemed potential enough to play in that league. When Mosimane left to join the national team, Hunt found an already well oiled team which he enhanced with the signing of several foerign players who obviously upped the stakes, resulting in the team performing much better. Pitso had relied solely on South African players... Coming back to the topic...Pitso has experience in coaching a national team, which Gavin Hunt does not have. Gavin Hunt's team has achieved very little in Africa despite the massive financial backing it enjoys from Supersport. if he were to be hailed as a messiah, it then stands to reason that he is the best of a poor bunch of local coaches. For the sake of continuity, Pitso Mosimane is the best choice out of all those who would have been in contention. There is also Manqoba Mgqithi of Golden Arrows who, with the limited resources at his disposal, performed far better than Gavin Hunt! the track record of Gordon Ingesund is also far better than that of Hunt. When appointing a national coach, it's not the flavour of teh month the truimphs...it's the long term vision and experience that the incumbent has...areas in which Hunt is unfortunately lacking.
Ryan6/30/2010 12:19 PM
I personally believe that Gavin Hunt should be the coach of Bafana Bafana we need to inject youth into our team and build for 2014 world cup Qualifications.. My combonation would Gavin as head coach and Pitso as assistant coach 2geda they can take us far
Lopez6/30/2010 12:17 PM
I agree. most south african white players are better in defence than attack. I have always preferred Booth than Aaron. we need more white players. and for this to happen it needs to start from the PSL,NFD and vodacom leagues. Intake of foreign players can be halved. we need more white players.
manutius6/30/2010 12:12 PM
Igesund!!!
Roberto Rodriguez6/30/2010 11:36 AM
You cannot rely on regular players to be selected in the national team. Look at Ghana most of the players are young and they came through the structures of development from the under17 to under 20 and is now in the senior team. This movement have not been broad on by SAFA and its shameful that the young players aren't getting places in the squad. If Ghana still rely on players who are not that young and still the same frequent players they would not have gone so far in the worldcup. SAFA should monitor young players aspecially the once abroad, look at Kermit Erusmus he have score 9 goals for his club in Netherlands. Honestly it doesnt matter if they are competing in 2nd division clubs or if they play for reserve sides if they perform well for their clubs they deserve a place in the squad. Our league is also not a very competitive , players are not that hungry to score goals. You see the top goal scorer has 17 goals, the next have 10, others will have 3 to 5 goals. If players are competing with each other for goals in the league the selection will be easier for bafana and the team will perform better. Players must take initiative and compete for places both for the clubs and for the national team.
BEE Bafana Fail6/30/2010 11:29 AM
I agree with Germaniac !!!!! check Bafana's Ranking in 1996 to 2010 Pitso is a waste of Money... Hunt is the MAN for the JOB Thats why i Support South african RUGBY......and Brazillian Soccer
Anti SA6/30/2010 11:21 AM
Why did not one white player get a chance in the SWC for Bafana - Why must there be equality in all other sports like Rugby & Cricket but not the same to apply to Soccer, why would it be any different then and not obviouse that only a black coach gets appointed to Bafana Bafana ?? Something to think about ??
sean6/30/2010 11:17 AM
Obviously Hunt is the best man for the job ! Same as in rugby , Meyer had the CV , but the rest is history.............. Don`t tell me wynkop is doing a good job , he`s just there for the show , the guys around him do the work , you know what I mean :)
chad6/30/2010 11:17 AM
As a Super Sport fan I am glad, leave it to the Darkies that way when it fails they cant blame us whites. Would still like to see a better Bee rep, like all other sports have to endure. Saying that when are we going to support SA as we did world cup? only when colour is not an issue anymore. Good luck to Pitso your going to need it.
TJ - in the KNOW6/30/2010 11:13 AM
Barker should manage the sqaud. Modise is an idiot... Did we have a right back in thw SWC ? I never even saw him... Mphela should never have played... --------------- Where was Parker, Sibaya, Nomvethi, Moon ?
PP6/30/2010 11:12 AM
Pitso will be another excuse from safa to appoint another foreign coach after he fail.
@ Peter6/30/2010 10:52 AM
Peter your argument is valid but it applies to anyone who is appointed, we have to give them a chance first to see the results. Pitso did much better as caretaker coach than Santana. Its not true that he has been part of the decline of Bafana fortunes though, yes it was a disgrace to be eliminated in the first round but I believe those were just symptoms of the administration which if they continue the same any coach appointed will suffer.
Pasta6/30/2010 10:47 AM
Leaving the race out of this debate. I wonder if anyone who says Hunt is supposed to get the job what has he done that puts him above Pitso. Pitso has been in the national setup and if anything that should give him the edge. Both are good coaches and one is good in winning cups (which is what I think is required for a Bafana coach) the other in consistence to win the league. Besides as Ted Dumitri would testify coaching a club and a national side are 2 different things. If anyone cares to remember Clive Barker was picked in 1994 when he coached Amazulu and the only thing they did was to win the Cocacola cup. They had not won any the league or where they any close to winning it. Come up with facts so as to make these debates fruitful and not related to race for once please.
Nthlarhi @No Future6/30/2010 10:27 AM
Read my previous posting again and you will see that I'm totally against against people branding local soccer: BEE or AA. So why accuse me of playing the race card while I'm objecting the postings belonging to those who say Hunt was snubbed simply because he's white? What you should know is that soccer has always be open to any population group but white people chose not to associate with it during the apartheid because they didn't want to mingle with blacks and this is true. You should remember that there used to be a white league and black league but once they were combined, whites deserted soccer. Why?
fan6/30/2010 10:11 AM
Racism rules.
TK6/30/2010 10:00 AM
Bafana and SA football will never be established in the World's top 20 nations (as we should with the talent we have in this country) if the structures at ground level and especially at youth level are not right and the right persons at not in place at SAFA level as well as youth level. It does not matter who is appointed SA coach at this time as we don't currently have the players nor the structures to succeed at the highest level. I agree, we need a clearout at SAFA - we need people there who are football fundis and passionate about the game and passionate about excellence! We don't need politicians and racists. Then we need the right people appointed to are actually going to put in place the strutures that will enable long-term success and we need as much of the R1 billion that SAFA is getting from FIFA to go into these structures and development not half as what SAFA is planning). Once the right structures are in place and the money is being spent on developing coaches and the youth, throughout the whole of SA, then we can go and look for a world-class coaching and management team that takes control of all the national teams (from U/17 level to Bafana) and has a plan to get us to the highest level. This is going to take years of hard work, careful planning and getting the best people in order to have a hope of playing in a World Cup final one day. This is the reality: Uruguay is in the quarters and beat us 3 - 0 and they have almost no chance of playing the in the finals. What do you think would happen to Bafana if we had to play against Spain or Brazil etc when it really counts for the World Cup? This is also the reality: we don't have a coach in SA that would be able to handle the job properly (and by the way Hunt is light years ahead of Mosimane and so is Ingesund). No one is SA has any idea of what it takes to build up a team over 4 to 6 to 8 years to succeed in the World Cup. If we do the right things from now on, we can look forward to 2018.
Chado6/30/2010 9:39 AM
its due to Pitso brilliance that Nassif did not play... and Teko the useless general played 190 min... instead of Parker. Continue with Pitso.. soon BEE Bafana Bafana we will be ranked 180th... Get a foreign coach and have Igesund working with him or take Clive back... I'm sure he will pick the best player with out being biast.
@Truce6/30/2010 9:25 AM
Mashaba Best Record For Bafana? I Think Not. Remember Clive Barker which as mentioned By Germaniac was Coach when Bafana won they C.A.F Cup. Oh and they had White Captain too. Niel Tovey. Remember? Or maybe you just like to remember what you want to remember
teboho tsotetsi6/30/2010 9:16 AM
had pitso not taken the assistant coaching job he would have been the one leading supersport to the league titles, you cannot say that pitso is a bad coach as he was not head coach of any team for the past 4 years, gavin is a good coach but so was pitso at supersport so you cannot compare
Mazo6/30/2010 9:15 AM
I believe that everyone agrees that Hunt did wonders for Supersport in the PSL. But to rush him into coaching a national team, is really setting up the man for failure. Firstly he needs to prove himself in Africa, where his team has done dismally so far. Please Mzansi let us not be emotional over something which will come back and haunt us if we take incorrect decisions.
Roberto Rodriguez6/30/2010 9:08 AM
You get coaches are are good with clubs and others who good with national teams. Simple example Santana coached brazilian club Flamengo for years got them out of relegation, won the league and brazilian cup. When he coached Bafana all did not go in his favour. The same with Parreira, after he left Bafana he coached also a brazil club and was not very successfull. Parreira was involved with a lot of national teams and Bafana was the 5th team he coached at a world cup. The thing is Gavin have never worked with a national team before the planning for games between clubs and national teams differ completely. With a club you plan on the day as well in advance and a whole lot of issues have to be considered in the duration of next meetings with clubs. If a club fail today the coach work on something different and the outcome will differ in two days time. Where a national team the coach have a execute on the day and everything planned should be perfect. Gavin Hunt is a brilliant coach no doubt he took the league 3 times but he was not very successful with the CAF campaign, if Supersport won the CAF Championships and compete at the World Club Cup then Gavin would be ideal for the position of Bafana Bafana coach.
No Future6/30/2010 9:02 AM
Goodbye Bafana...Pitso appointment has nothing to do with continuity. Nthlarhi, you play the race card once again but this time you are right. You want a black coach not because he is the best but because he is black....or to re phrase.....you do not want a white coach....I say, get rid of SAFA and start anew....if not let's start a rebel league. Oh, by the way I am not white.
Ryan6/30/2010 8:38 AM
This is the ''Pits-o'' . Bafana are screwed - this guy was assistant to Parreira during which time Bafana were hopeless and yet SAFA pick him over Gavin Hunt because of ''continuity''' - what are they hoping for , that Bafana will ''continue' to perform so badly ?
Truce6/30/2010 8:28 AM
Most soccer followers have no clue when it comes to managing a national team. It is very naive to think Hunt can take the national team, he has zero experience when it comes to managing a national team. Yes, he has done wonders with Supersport, but he needs to be groomed and introduced properly in the national setup, by giving him U-20 or U0-23. Hunt is another version of Santana in Mzanzi, done well for his club but no international experience. Before one could consider Hunt, you must look at Igesund who has won 4 PSL titles with 4 different teams, that is more credible than 3 tittles with 1 team. Also Mashaba is even better than Igesund and Hunt as he holds the best record for Bafana Bafana compared to all local coaches and most expatriats. We have always complained about continuity, so this is the opportunity to do that, if we want to succeed, then put Hunt and Mashaba in line to succeed Pitso, by making them part of the technical team. If we are afraid of interference, then give Hunt U-20 so that he can succeed Mashaba with U-23 team and Mashaba can succeed Pitso with the senior team. If people knows the principles of succession planning and continuity, then this is another way of making it work. For now, it is pre-mature for Hunt to take national team, give him the exposure. He can start with Zambia, as apparently they want him. Pitso deserves to be the coach at this point in time, period. Our football has been going down because of lack of continuity.
Sibuisiso6/30/2010 8:22 AM
Please Mr Editor dont create a bad vibe between the two coaches i think Gavin is a good coach and i strongly believe his turn will come.Let us as a country support who ever was chosen to lead BB, and i believe in continiuty.
yk6/30/2010 8:22 AM
disgraceful appointment , thats it . Hunt is best man for job , period. Real South Africans dont care about the colour of his skin , but about his track record. How is it that a white foreigner is better than a white South African who has given so much to the game, btw i am not a white south african
Desso6/30/2010 8:19 AM
Dis-empower SAFA - Start a alternate Football League in SA Quit PSL for the sake of true fottball fans and followers in SA otherwise Banana Banana & Co will remain a joke!!!! haahhaaa Idiots?
Peter6/30/2010 8:19 AM
Why is everybody suddenly talking about "continuity" as if it is the most important thing in the world? If you look at our underperformance, 'continuity' is exactly what we don't want. We need a fresh start, a clean slate! And for all those saying give Pitso a chance, and judge him on his results: the problem with that approach is you will have to wait at least 2 years for the results to start to appear! Any coach needs an extended run before you can start judging him. And *IF* the team underperforms on his watch, there is no way to undo that and we will have had another 2 -3 dead years in which our national team does not go forward. So you have to think very clearly towards the future who you appoint, NOT WAIT AND SEE!
Ex SA6/30/2010 8:14 AM
Bafana is still on the way down......Hunt is the man for the job
Liu Kang6/30/2010 8:07 AM
He will continue to lead the team down the rankings.
Nthlarhi6/30/2010 8:04 AM
News24 should know that the majority of its readers are people who are not associated with soccer but rugby and cricket, so their votes were just in solidarity to their fellow white guy. I saw some of their comments yesterday which were not really soccer related but racial. Some of them even said that the appointment of Pitso is AA or Gavin was snubbed just because is white. We just don't need such comments in soccer as soccer has never marginalised against any population group. Ask Mark Gleeson, he will tell you that whites decided to run away from the local soccer when it was decided that blacks and whites will compete together which can be seen as a racist action. Soccer doesn't need the quota system, hence leave race out of it.
Jay6/30/2010 8:01 AM
Because Hunt is the wrong colour!! End of. A black bafanny side can't be seen to be controlled by a white man. That's just racist!!
Pine6/30/2010 7:58 AM
C'mon guys, the old trick! Pitso is black and good at it!
Mtura6/30/2010 7:51 AM
Congrats Jingles!
paul6/30/2010 7:35 AM
Pitso is the correct choice, we need continuity he has been there for a while now so no room for excuses, by the way the style of soccer that has been displayed by teams being coached by Hunt is crap so he is the favorite to those who have access to internet but not ordinary fans who fill the stadiums week in and week out.
Germaniac6/30/2010 7:32 AM
Would It Kill SAFA Or the Black Soccer Community to have a white coach, because when was the last time Bafana Did anything meaningfull? As I recall it was 1996 when Clive Barker steered Bafana To The C.A.F Cup. Which he was promptly replaced afterwards and from there Bafana never did anything meaningfull again
Rols6/30/2010 7:26 AM
Gavin, your job is a lot safer at Supersport United.
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