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Pele: Messi not the greatest

2012-04-11 21:53

Sao Paulo - Pele says Lionel Messi isn't the best player in the world today - much less of all time.

Pele said on Wednesday that young Brazilian striker Neymar is better than the Argentina forward, and reiterated once again that he doesn't think Messi belongs in the conversation about who is the best player ever.

That debate has long centered around Pele and Diego Maradona, but many have started including Messi after a series of outstanding performances with Barcelona.

Pele, however, said at an event celebrating the centennial of Neymar's club Santos that "there's always this Maradona comparison, saying that he's better than Pele. Now some are saying that Messi is better than Pele. Well, he has to be better than Neymar first, which he isn't yet. He has more experience."

The 20-year-old Neymar is seen as Brazil's greatest player at the moment.

AP

Comments
  • thabane.dladla - 2012-04-11 22:00

    Pele just shut up you are so jealous !!!Messi is the best players that we ever had in our life time,

      Sean - 2012-04-11 23:10

      I agree 100% with you !

      Sean - 2012-04-11 23:10

      I agree 100% with you !

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:46

      I agree with Pele. Messi has done nothing for his country. Maradona and Pele set the world alight when playing for their countries and their clubs. Messi is nothing without talent around him. Have you seen how Maradona and Pele played? No. then don't comemnt. I also agree that Neymar is the better player.

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:46

      I agree with Pele. Messi has done nothing for his country. Maradona and Pele set the world alight when playing for their countries and their clubs. Messi is nothing without talent around him. Have you seen how Maradona and Pele played? No. then don't comemnt. I also agree that Neymar is the better player.

      Topsy - 2012-04-12 08:18

      pele shut up. messi is only 24 and will play in 3 more world cups then after that you can talk. u played in a crap easy era knob!

      Topsy - 2012-04-12 08:18

      pele shut up. messi is only 24 and will play in 3 more world cups then after that you can talk. u played in a crap easy era knob!

      Clayton - 2012-04-12 10:36

      Pele, please do not tarnish the image i have of you....you were great, but i believe Diego had the edge on you, he was simply amazing, RAW TALENT, if only he had your discipline he would have been 10 times better than what you were...as far as Messi goes, yes i agree that he is not yet better than Maradonna was, he does have the potential tho....most people only seen what Maradonna has done for his country, people should check out you tube videos of Diego's club days, u thk Messi's insane? check out Diego's club games!!!...as for Neymar???? WTF??????where does he even fit in??? He hasnt even reached R9 Ronaldo's tailcoat...hahahahah Pele you've lost the plot

  • thabane.dladla - 2012-04-11 22:01

    Pele just shut up you are so jealous !!!Messi is the best players that we ever had in our life time,

  • thabane.dladla - 2012-04-11 22:01

    Pele just shut up you are so jealous !!!Messi is the best players that we ever had in our life time,

  • Jonathan Rose - 2012-04-11 22:14

    And what has neymar done or achieved 2 be considered great huh?..your just jealous of messi..or just patriotic towards neymar..give credit where its due..after all we know the big rivalry and hatred btween brazil and argentina..

  • Sebiletsi - 2012-04-11 22:16

    This madala must stop whwtever he's smoking because is not good for his brain. Wtf can he compare King Messi and his ballboy Neymar?nxx

  • Mxolisi - 2012-04-11 22:20

    Pele must just admit and nobody is gonna laugh or kill his old ass. Messi is far better than him. This young man has achieved almost everything Pele ever wished for in the age of 24. Messi just need to win the world cup. Pele must ask the football managers, they know it.

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:47

      Pele was 16 when he represented Brazil and scored during that world cup. What has Messi done for Argentina?

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:47

      Pele was 16 when he represented Brazil and scored during that world cup. What has Messi done for Argentina?

  • Jim - 2012-04-11 22:21

    Pele ive watched both you and Messi play. Messi is far far better than you ever were.

  • Lucky Prince Masoeu - 2012-04-11 22:30

    How many goals does Neymar has at the moment? How many cups has he won for his club recently. Messi has more than 60 goals in all competitions so far. Messi is one goal short breaking the all time record in Spanish League of 40 goals set by C. Ronaldo last season. No player has ever scored more than 12 goals in the Champions League but Messi has 13 goals already before their semi-final clash with Chelsea. Messi is already the leading goal scorer in the Copa delrey. Messi has won footballer of the year 3 years in a row now and he might get his fourth in a row if he wins the Champions League, Spanish Cup and maybe the Spanish League itself. He scored a hat-trick on his last game for Argentina as a captain. He has 8 hat-trick already this season alone. Basically he is the best in every tournament he has competed in so far this season. Has Pele ever done all that in one season? Has Neymar reached such standards so far? I smell jealousy from the great Pele and its really unnecessary. Messi is the Best EVER!

  • malcolm.molver - 2012-04-11 22:36

    Pele is a legend as far as playing football is concerned. But this opinion of his will be legendary for being completely stupid! Messi is by far the better player. What has Neymar achieved? This is just bias. I really thought Pele would have more sense than this.

  • talents.sambo - 2012-04-11 22:37

    seems like pele only watches brazilian soccer, what's wrong with this old man? He has a nerve alright! Messi being compared to Neymar? Pele please, keep your jealous thought 2 urself

  • pabalelo.mphahlele - 2012-04-11 22:57

    Pele s right. M tired of buyers statements

  • pabalelo.mphahlele - 2012-04-11 22:59

    Pele s right. M tired of buyers statements

  • Isaac - 2012-04-12 01:37

    PELE U DN NOE ANYTHING,MESSI IS THE BEST PLAYER EVER PRODUCED ON THIS PLANET DONT U SAY ANYTHING CZ WE HAVE WATCHED U PLAYING

  • Jento - 2012-04-12 05:37

    it depends on what the player has achieved both team & international level, so far messi at team level is the best ever, neymar cant be compared to messi at the moment, pele the greatest football ever ,he achieved a lot both team and international level, really messi is yet to achieve at international level

  • wesleywt - 2012-04-12 05:50

    Who is Naymar? Pele lives in the past. Today the world cup doesn't hold so much importance. Club football, especially European club football is the pinnacle of achievement. Messi can't help he had a fellow great player but now crazy Maradona as a coach.

  • Zukisa - 2012-04-12 07:07

    Messi is d greatest player ever!dnt talk about him nt winning d world cup,winning d World Cup is a team collective effort,blame Argetina not Messi.one!

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-04-12 07:43

      Although I agree with u partly. Just as he inspires barca he must do likewise wherever else he plays which is argentina in his case, he blips at national team.

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-04-12 07:43

      Although I agree with u partly. Just as he inspires barca he must do likewise wherever else he plays which is argentina in his case, he blips at national team.

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:52

      Maradona and Pele single handidly won the world cups for their countries. Messi has played in 2 world cups and no-one speaks of him. teh problem is that, without stars around him, he is lost. He is no doubt brilliant, but the world cup underachievement will always haunt him.

      Hans - 2012-04-12 07:52

      Maradona and Pele single handidly won the world cups for their countries. Messi has played in 2 world cups and no-one speaks of him. teh problem is that, without stars around him, he is lost. He is no doubt brilliant, but the world cup underachievement will always haunt him.

      Lunga - 2012-04-12 08:15

      Wrong Hans. Pele did not single handedly win the World Cup. The Brazil side between 1958 and 70 was pretty much impossible to beat.\r\n\r\nYou forget names like Garrincha and the likes. The 1970 side remains today the greatest single side possibly in the history of sport.

      Lunga - 2012-04-12 08:15

      Wrong Hans. Pele did not single handedly win the World Cup. The Brazil side between 1958 and 70 was pretty much impossible to beat.\r\n\r\nYou forget names like Garrincha and the likes. The 1970 side remains today the greatest single side possibly in the history of sport.

      taks.murathi - 2012-04-12 11:22

      @ Tshekiso, my friend, you cna only be as great as your team. When Argentina won the world cup in 1986, Diego Maradona was at his best but he did not score all the goals. It was a team effort. I think Argentina currently recogninses Messi as the best footballer and everybody sits back and expect the little genius to wiin all the games by himself.

  • louis.langenhoven - 2012-04-12 07:25

    Pele headed too many balls upfield- braindamaged.

      taks.murathi - 2012-04-12 11:17

      You made my day Louis. Did not see this one coming.

  • TJ Maphatane - 2012-04-12 07:39

    Find Pele a retirement village to chill @.

      taks.murathi - 2012-04-12 11:18

      My point exactly. Does someone pay him to say these things?

  • Lunga - 2012-04-12 08:03

    Pele's lifting up of the young Neymar is admirable. You can understand why he is doing it. Both are linked to Santos.\r\n\r\nHowever, it is misguided to believe that Neymar is better than Lionel Messi. The young Brazilian hasn't achieved much on the big stage.\r\n\r\nIt is also misguided to believe Messi is the best of all time. What of Cruyff, Puskas, Best? Those are not the best. However, they are up there along with Maradona and Pele.\r\n\r\nIt is not a smart thing to say so-and-so is the greatest ever. Different players have a different impact. Different eras, etc.\r\n\r\nYou can have best of a generation, but not best of all time.\r\n\r\nWho is better between Zidane and Figo? Ronaldo and Messi? Rooney and Torres? Henry and Van Nistlerooy?

      thabane.dladla - 2012-04-12 11:43

      Ur answer!! Zidane,messi ,Rooney n Van nest...

      thabane.dladla - 2012-04-12 11:44

      Ur answer!! Zidane,messi ,Rooney n Van nest...

  • Samantha - 2012-04-12 10:27

    pele is a legend..but his mind has left him. ..messi wont be greater than pele unless argentina win some world cups...as far as neymar is concerned he will never hold a candle to messi...last person pele said would be as great as he was is robinho...and look at him now...

  • Clayton - 2012-04-12 10:36

    Pele, please do not tarnish the image i have of you....you were great, but i believe Diego had the edge on you, he was simply amazing, RAW TALENT, if only he had your discipline he would have been 10 times better than what you were...as far as Messi goes, yes i agree that he is not yet better than Maradonna was, he does have the potential tho....most people only seen what Maradonna has done for his country, people should check out you tube videos of Diego's club days, u thk Messi's insane? check out Diego's club games!!!...as for Neymar???? WTF??????where does he even fit in??? He hasnt even reached R9 Ronaldo's tailcoat...hahahahah Pele you've lost the plot

  • taks.murathi - 2012-04-12 10:59

    Pele should just stop this Messi-bashing crap. He retired very early from football, claiming to have scored 1200 goals (Come on dude - do you expect anybody to buy that? Messi is a great footballer, compared to Armando "Diego" Maradona. You won the Wrold Cups with great Brallian teams of that era, not that you did anything magical to be outstanding. Somebody help me here - which record did Pele set? 0

  • AndrĂ© - 2012-04-12 12:09

    you cant even compare the players from pele time to todays players... Pele probly would even make the bench on any team if he were playing today, players are quicker fitter and stronger... so yes messi is better than pele along with every other top striker today...

  • Regan - 2012-04-12 12:30

    oh pele. what a hater you are.

  • Keith - 2012-04-12 12:59

    This pele chap, he is an attention seeker and still full of jealousy at his pension old age, the is no way the brilliant Lionel messi could be compared to that young boy called neymar, please pele don't let bigotry ruin your good image give credit where is due and get this in your head messi is 5 classes ahead of you, and you must stop taking your frustration on that humble lad called Lionel messi and grow some appreciating balls man.

  • sodumo.masondo - 2012-04-12 14:29

    you don't need to play or win the word cup to became the greatest player, eg Ryan Giggs has never play in the wc but that does not make him less of a player and he still play for the greatest team in EPL for morethan 20years. thank you DSTV we see Leo Messi and the rest every week & he is The Greatest Player of ALL TIMES

  • Andy Series - 2013-05-29 11:03

    pele must b havin a great problem with makin comparisions,Neymar is gud but Messi iz amazin.

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