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Foreign players 'weakest link'

2010-05-14 07:44

Johannesburg - Acting Bafana team manager and SAFA director of planning and development Dennis Mumble has revealed that SAFA might introduce a possible rule that would make it harder for Premier Soccer League clubs to sign foreign players.

It is argued world-wide that a lack of control regarding foreigners directly contributes to a weaker national team with fewer places available for local talent to develop.

Mumble told Business Day: "Everybody is complaining that the standard of South African football is not as high as it should be and this is mainly because of the huge number of mediocre foreign players who have been allowed to populate our leagues.

"At the moment, clubs can just sign foreign players as they wish because there are no regulations that demand their quality be tested before they are allowed to play in this country.

"These rules have helped improve the standard of the English game because the players that have gone there over the years have been presumed to be better than what they have in the country.

"What we know is that the current situation cannot be allowed to continue as it is here in SA. This is a service to our national team and it is something that we have to control urgently."

PSL CEO Kjetil Siem agrees with the plans but will meet with SAFA before revealing any potential plans.

He added: "In principle, I totally agree that soccer bodies in SA must protect local players.

"But we were already headed in the same route after we announced that, as from next season, all national first division clubs would be obligated to play a minimum of five South African-born under-23 players in each and every league and cup match. We have a meeting with SAFA this week and I suppose they will inform us about these plans when we meet them.

"That is why I do not want to make a political statement before actually meeting them." 

Football411

Comments
  • The Voice of Reason - 2010-05-14 07:44

    Yes we need rules on foriegn players. Limit it to 3 per club, and they must have played for the country in a majot tournemet in the last 4 years. Stop the PSL being a cash haven for useless players.

  • JP - 2010-05-14 08:12

    Bafana's weakest link is Soccer. Period!!

  • Pisa - 2010-05-14 08:18

    Can you imagine if allleagues put the smae controls, Bafan wouldbe even weaker....what goes around comes around

  • Matizi - 2010-05-14 08:26

    Hown issues are not going to blame on foreigners? Foreign players do not coach teams, so how do they contribute to the skilling of local players? English, Spanish, French, Italian and Germany teams are littered with foreign players and still play and score goals. Lets face it, a good player can excel if they are disciplined and live by rules of the game. SA players are interested in getting a few Rands to buy a GTI thats it. Look at Vilikazi if he had been like Steven Pienaar who has dedicated his life to soccer!! Service delivery, poor academic results at universities, crime and poverty do we still need to blame on foreigners? What SAFA needs to look at is how they can develop grassroots soccer from Grade R to Grade 12, then on will South Africa be able to have a Drobga, Eto, Essen or a Benjani who could propel them to continental soccer finals, who knows get them the World Cup trophy around 2020!

  • BoB - 2010-05-14 08:26

    Why do the clubs sign weak foreign players: because they don't give a dam about local development except looting coffers and foreigners are better. Always whining about competition instead of training harder.

  • lolo - 2010-05-14 08:26

    You see now SAFA you're talking my kind of language. But one wonders whether that idea will bare any fruits taking into account that most of the club bosses are the ones controlling SAFA and the PSL.

  • trey - 2010-05-14 08:30

    its called the blame it on foreigners syndrome ...serious disease

  • Harold - 2010-05-14 08:31

    Good move but why not go one step further and restrict clubs from poaching talent from outside their province until say they are 21. It is about time we strengthened our game and the only way to do that is to allow all teams an equal opportunity of fielding decent teams. The smaller clubs should not only be there to make up the numbers. Go Usuthu!

  • Baba WaBruno - 2010-05-14 08:35

    Mr Mumble are you sure about what you are saying? Where is your scientific proof, why do South Africa love foreign based players so much? Foreign players are there to improve the quality of domestic football as well. World over countries which have foreign players tend to do better (Brazil an exception) SA needs good adminstrators and development structures, usually good players from high schools opt the education route because there is noone to identify and nature tallent which should be the focus of the soccer mother body. If anything be greatful to foreign players for their role in help shapping the direction of SA football.

  • Bafana For the Win!!! - 2010-05-14 08:40

    just a point that may sound counterintuative and may fly in the face of conventional wisdom... I would argue that foreign plays actually assist in the strength of the national team....by allowing foreigners in and reducing the spots for local palyers, local players are forced to perform at a higher level and forced to compete for spots.... England is a case in point....Terry and Ferdinand wouldnt be so good if they were not defending against Torres; Tevez and Drogba and competeing for places against Alex; Ferreira; O'Shea etc...in addition foreign players bring different styles and ideas which also produces a richer league with players able to display and play against different styles of football.....think about it for a second..... granted bringing in mediocre foreign players is of no value....but i dont think there should be a restriction on foreign players if they possess quality and experience.... both of which are subjective measures.....

  • Jim Beam - 2010-05-14 08:46

    100% Behind this now stop talking about it and "just do it" (Nike)

  • Wolf - 2010-05-14 08:47

    The weakest link in SA soccer is the adminstrators pocketing the money that should be going to the grassroots development of soccer. We see the Craven week rugby each year. Where is that kind of competition for soccer?

  • Ryno - 2010-05-14 08:48

    I can't believe these things aren't already in place.

  • Sipho - 2010-05-14 09:13

    This is nonsense. If that was the case how come England, Spain, Italy, Germany, Egypt and many others have better FIFA rankings??? La Liga is flooded with foreign players, Spain is ranked number 2. Our PSL is also flooded with foreign players and we are ranked 81 and dropping. Sorry Papa, theres just no measurable correlation.

  • steve - 2010-05-14 09:22

    It sure seems like the blame everything on the foreigner syndrome that stops this country from realising its full development potential. We should stop trying to find blame in someone else for anything that goes wrong with ourselves. Do we have a decent grassroots deveopment policy? No. Do we have a reserve team league for our top flight clubs? No. Has any of our club champions ever gone on to achieve big things at continental level (with or without foreign players)? No. Then why are we blaming foreign players? We have not nurtured the talent, instead, and i have seen this in virtually all the Southern African nations (which is why we never do well at continental level), there are not enough football academies. And of the few academies that we have, most of the time the coaches there have their favourite players whom most of the times are not necessarily the best players but the ones that lick their b*ms. With the sponsorship available in this country, we should be seeing soccer schools everywhere but instead its very rare to find one. I am not so young myself and am an avid soccer fan, love playing it too, but guess what i have never seen any establishment or club orgnasing soccer games in my surbub. Now i am afraid if i take the initiative and try and establish something, if it does succeed, someone will want to come and demand that i leave and they take over because guess what? I am a foreigner!

  • The Xhosa - 2010-05-14 09:27

    mumble is mumbling what has been mumbled by prior mumblers

  • T-man - 2010-05-14 09:29

    This is rubbish, I am really getting tired of hearing this foreign players nonsense. People should be brave enough to point out where the problem is or originated. The problem with our soccer is and has been the administrators, they are the one who have messed things. If foreiners where really the problem then why are countries like Spain, England, Germany, Italy and France, are soccer power houses, they sure have far too many foreigners in their leagues than SA yet they are ranked far higher than us. The fact of the matter is that development shouldn't be starting at the PSL, the PSL is a platform where DEVELOPED players complete for places in the starting eleven. This thing of shielding SA players in the name of giving them a chance to play is doing them no good, no wonder they are doing so bad in continental games. As far as quality of the foreigners with respect to ours is concern, it is very clear that they are better/hungrier than ours otherwise the coaches wouldn't select them ahead of the locals.

  • Adrian - 2010-05-14 09:31

    The weakest link is Safa it self, "let the coach to do what he is hired to do," not employe someone and still do the job for him.

  • Vernon - 2010-05-14 09:34

    Rubbish and nonsense Mr. Mumble ! The weakest link is you and your incompetent cronies at SAFA. Spain is ranked world No with the Messi's, Yaya Toure's of this world!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Excuse - 2010-05-14 09:43

    Mr Mumble is just mumbling and is alreading premeditating an excuse for a possible Bafana dismal perfomance at the SWC. Why is he only raising his issue now on the eve of the soccer showcase. South Africans are good at blaming foreigners for everything....shame on you all. Someone has to better live to his own personal responsibility and not duck it like Mr Mumble. He should be fired!

  • Michael - 2010-05-14 09:45

    Making excusses already. Ja, well no fine. The problem with SA soccer is that the players are below par to Europe's players. A whole new fresh look at PSL with new faces in committee. Be first sport to stop representation system at all ages. Let the best float to top.

  • Simon - 2010-05-14 11:13

    I totally agree with Mr Mumble's observations. The fact is that young and upcoming players need a platform to play regular competitive football and to develop. Our players are not going to develop to their highest level if there are no platforms. These days one can only play armature football up to the age of 15 years from then on one should be operating in the semi-professional set-ups. However, most of our young players fall by the way side during this phase due the fact that there are no platforms to allow them to progress in development. Only a few are lucky. The National First Division should by right offer a dream opportunity to youngsters to progress, however, this is not so as this division is proving difficult to get into. The Division is flooded with foreign players who have failed to impress and local based players who have failed to succeed in the PSL. Instead of being the Development Platform, the division has turned into landing spot for players that have been able to sustain their premiership status and are failures. These days it is not only clubs that are relegated to the National First Division but players as well. How can young upcoming players move up the ranks into First Division when you have a bigger movement of players down from the PSL. If a foreign player is that good, then he should not settle on playing the lower SA league, he should pursue a quest to play professional football elsewhere. If a foreign player settles to play and end his career in the obscure National First Division, that says a lot about his ambition, quality and value. He is not here to enhance our football but brought his mediocrity to SA under the guise of foreign talent only to lounge in the comfort zone of our lower leagues. Gone are the days when foreign players saw SA is a steppingstone to European Leagues. These days foreign players come here to retire. The quality is no longer equated with "foreign player" and SA will do best not to continue labouring under the mistaken belief that foreign talent can be unearthed and lured to SA. European Teams collects them while they are still young, by the time our teams venture across the borders, all that is left is what Europe already discarded. We will do best to invest in our players by developing them than providing a retirement home for players across our borders

  • Jaz - 2010-05-14 11:39

    The quality of the national team will improve if a provincial system is implemented. There would be more structure and opportunity to develop players from the rural areas, which would create a strong base for the provincial teams and therefore the SA team. The new stadiums can be utilized as the provincial headquarters. Also, it would take the power from the big club bosses, who have done nothing but damage SA soccer.

  • Second Voice of Reason - 2010-05-14 11:59

    always blame it on the foreigners. who puts idiots like this in charge anyway? bumbling fool. bafana sucks because they're ill disciplined little punks who only care about money and have no patriotism or skill. sigh...i hate morons

  • km - 2010-05-14 12:52

    i fully agree with mr mumble,its about time we did put our local talents first,we need 2 compete wit the best,we keep saying our standard is up:yes financially,there shud certain standards 2 allow foreign player 2 play here just lyk certain european countries

  • LETONA - 2010-05-14 13:51

    Bafana's weakest link is SAFA'S poor leadership not foreigners.How many Bafana Bafana players are promoted from under 23?Brazil promotes their under 23 players to their national squad,why not doing like wise instead of making cheap excuse?U need a ladder to can climb on the roof,dont jump over it.

  • SoccerLover - 2010-05-14 14:08

    Only a stupid club will sign a foreign player who si not worth his salt! There are quotas in place, so what else do you want? If we clip the numbers of the foreign players, we will end-up with the same big teams always stifling the others by always signing their promising players.... this is a fact. All good local players always end-up being snatched by the big 4....

  • knight - 2010-05-14 14:23

    What Mumble is saying is that all SA players who are playing abroad in diffirent leagues should come back and play here since they are also foreigners there. Poor scope.lack of imagination and creativity.so these clubs are signing players b4 a thorough analysis.shame on u management. Its not your fault . u need soccer management short courses

  • voice of reason - 2010-09-20 10:32

    why always blame it on foreigners,what are u saying any way?are the foreigners stopping the S.A soccer develloppement?i realy dont get it.foreigners are tested and qualified that swhy the play.if south africans dont have enough talent to compete with those foreigners is that a matter of blaming the foreigners?let foreigners players so that south africans can wake up and compete and fight .without competirion no soccer can develop in S.A.so b clever enouth to think the straight way.there aint even many foreigners playing in yo weak ligues,what the hell is going on with u.do u wach english ligues or spanish or other ligues in the world to c what is goingh on there.pliz b professionals.it is so sad that things like this happen only in africa and particulary in south africa.

  • voice of reason - 2010-09-20 10:39

    why always blame it on foreigners,what are u saying any way?are the foreigners stopping the S.A soccer develloppement?i realy dont get it.foreigners are tested and qualified that swhy the play.if south africans dont have enough talent to compete with those foreigners is that a matter of blaming the foreigners?let foreigners players so that south africans can wake up and compete and fight .without competirion no soccer can develop in S.A.so b clever enouth to think the straight way.there aint even many foreigners playing in yo weak ligues,what the hell is going on with u.do u wach english ligues or spanish or other ligues in the world to c what is goingh on there.pliz b professionals.it is so sad that things like this happen only in africa and particulary in south africa.

  • voice of reason - 2010-09-20 10:40

    why always blame it on foreigners,what are u saying any way?are the foreigners stopping the S.A soccer develloppement?i realy dont get it.foreigners are tested and qualified that swhy the play.if south africans dont have enough talent to compete with those foreigners is that a matter of blaming the foreigners?let foreigners players so that south africans can wake up and compete and fight .without competirion no soccer can develop in S.A.so b clever enouth to think the straight way.there aint even many foreigners playing in yo weak ligues,what the hell is going on with u.do u wach english ligues or spanish or other ligues in the world to c what is goingh on there.pliz b professionals.it is so sad that things like this happen only in africa and particulary in south africa.

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