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SAFA want Bafana for free

2011-04-28 08:30

Johannesburg - SAFA are hell-bent on getting a new name for Bafana Bafana unless the owners of the trademark compromise on the price, which they argue is exorbitant, according to a report on the Sowetan

SAFA and businessman Wayne Smidt, whose company, Stanton Woodrush, owns the Bafana Bafana trademark rights, are to hold a follow-up meeting to find common ground on this thorny issue.

The company said it presented a proposal to SAFA's task team of Danny Jordaan, Kirsten Nematandani and Alpha Mchunu in Nasrec last week.

Jordaan and company could not be reached for comment, but a source at SAFA, who asked not to be named, said: "We are not prepared to pay R33 million to get the name back.

"We are not prepared to pay a cent to get the name back. The guy has already made millions out of the Bafana Bafana brand."

Sport24

Comments
  • Albo - 2011-04-28 08:40

    They`re just p!ssed because they didn`t do it themselves and "made millions" themselves.

      Wernerkwane - 2011-04-28 09:52

      You are so right Albo! I'm willing to bet a cool R33mil that if the name belonged to Danny Jordaan, Kirsten Nematandani and Alpha Mchunu that SAFA would have coughed up the money in a hart beat.

      hardloop - 2011-04-28 17:12

      @amdisgusted what the heck does this have to do with race? get over yourself you loser. you embarrass all of us when you forego logical arguments and fall back on the race card like some of our less eloquent political leaders.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-29 02:05

      I reckon its got a lot to do with the currently politically empowered being lemon with the intellectually empowered. Story of life my firends, live with it or get smart.

  • GetReal - 2011-04-28 08:51

    why should they be different to the rest of the "anc" south africans and want everything for free!

  • René Müller - 2011-04-28 08:52

    They are not prepared to pay R33m to get the name back???? The name wasn't yours to begin with! So stupid! The owner of the name was clever enough to trademark the name, why didn't SAFA think of it. However I bet, if the registered owner was a politician or one of their comrades, they would have paid the money with a smile. Even if they change the name to prevent paying, Bafana will stay forever!!!!

      clark - 2011-04-28 14:23

      - Then of course Safa could also bribe someone at CIPRO, to cancel Smidt's trademark and register it in their name - surprised they have'nt thought of it. The bribe would probably be no more than R10,000. Knowing the laws of this country they'd probably get away with it.

  • GHT - 2011-04-28 08:53

    Just pay the guy already and get it over with. If SAFA owns the entire Bafana name, they will make that R33mil in no time.

  • Greg - 2011-04-28 08:55

    I wish I had of thought to register that name. Pay the clever man and work to make your money back by improving that usless team.

  • SuperCal - 2011-04-28 08:56

    Its his brand. he resisted it why should he not get the royalties?

      daaivark - 2011-04-28 09:58

      Surely you mean "registered" and NOT "resisted". There's quite a difference.

  • JM - 2011-04-28 09:02

    You can't blame a guy for using his good business sense! You want his business, pay for it biatch...hehe

  • Alex - 2011-04-28 09:08

    just imagine if bafana were a world class team (okay, but this isn't a joke) the price would be unimaginable for those fat cats in SAFA who personally lined their pockets pre and during and after SWC 2010. give the guy his money and move on.

  • Rammsteen - 2011-04-28 09:15

    Change the name, change the team. New name, new beginnings - winning ways!

      roboman1 - 2011-04-29 02:06

      get Jake White?

  • RemoteMedic - 2011-04-28 09:29

    Yeah. See it's not about the apartheid connections to the sport name, but more the monetary value linked to it. Greed my friends that is all they are after. Money Money Money. LEAVE THE SPRINGBOK ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  • michaelp1 - 2011-04-28 09:36

    This is not 'good business sense' - it is opportunism at it's best. Another one with his snout in the trough. Sheer greed Mr Smidt!!! You are as bad as the politicians.

      Bones - 2011-04-28 09:58

      Actually, it is called capitalism. That thing that is enshrined in our constitution?????Huh???

      michaelp1 - 2011-04-28 11:35

      The UGLY, GREEDY face of capitalism.

      DeonL - 2011-04-28 11:48

      It might not be such a bad decision after all. Everyone knows that in negotiations you start off high to leave you moving place. I think they could settle at R10m.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-04-28 15:14

      Is it greedy..? Perhaps - But SAFA would make that money back in a heartbeat. Is it good business sense from Mr Smidt..? Obviously! Why wouldn't it be...? He registered it. If it belonged to me i would ask the R33m and everytime SAFA smeared my name in public like they doing now i would up the amount by R5m.. Claiming public damage to his company.

  • boepensmanvangraan - 2011-04-28 09:37

    Haha, one lazy bugger didn't fill in the registration form and now Wayne is making millions

  • StBad - 2011-04-28 09:45

    Pretty petty that in these modern times a clever individual can hold a nation and sporting body at ransom for something which essentially belongs to the people!

      Bones - 2011-04-28 09:59

      It belongs to whoever registered it first. You cant break the rules for anybody, that is not how it works.

      Grant - 2011-04-28 16:03

      Nothing "belongs to the people". If you want a Bok Jersey, you pay out your backside for it. Whether that money goes to Sarfu or some clever individual, the fact remains, the public PAYS. Why should it be any different for soccer, and why should SAFA benefit from what was effectively an unofficail name, when they didnt register it?

  • Front Row Grunt - 2011-04-28 09:46

    Yet they are happy to pay themselves bonuses a lot bigger that R 33 million! Short sighted and childish ....

  • Tc - 2011-04-28 09:50

    A new name? 'Artichoke' is rather well established. Consider it for all sporting disciplnes.

  • Bookworm - 2011-04-28 09:51

    Not a good idea to publicise the fact that they are not prepared to negotiate and are doing it via the media very arrogantly i might add. SAFA must learn to keep their mouths shut till negotiations are over. Saying that they are not prepared to pay one cent has ended negotiations surely???

  • Wernerkwane - 2011-04-28 09:55

    Eish! I'm going to Register "Ama Netbôl Netbôl" tomorrow and make millions. mmwaahhaaahaahaa. Oh wait, SA netball is bankrupt. aawwh crap..... :)

      Grant - 2011-04-28 16:04

      Or Ama Ice-Hockey Ice-Hockey.... ha ha ha ha!

  • Manuel - 2011-04-28 10:04

    Wayne Smidt did not create the name "Bafana bafana", he saw an oppurtunity to steal something that was not his. Unfortunatly the SAFA are not the sharpest and should have contested that registration way back when and probable would easily have won. So my 2cents worth. Tell Mr Smidt to keep his trademark. Create a new one (I am sure someone will make some bucks out of this) register it as the official "name" of the SA football team and render Mr Wayne Smidt's trademark worthless. It is not as if the name is associated with anything sucessful anyway. A new beginning.

      crazydude - 2011-04-28 10:38

      At last some sense. People don't seem to realise that neither SAFA nor Wayne Smit came up with the name Bafana Bafana. The Sowetan used it, and it was not used as an official nickname. Smit's copyright could in fact be seen as some of the cases where musicians use folk songs in their 'own' work. Quite a few of those cases have lead to repayments. It's a case of you not being able to trademark something which is not yours. For example you couldn't to trademark a car, though this has been tried. SAFA did not endorse the name Bafana when it first came out, in fact, many people were against the name, Smit simply got lucky that most people liked the name. As for a resolution, best case I'd like to see the name stay. If SAFA need to buy the name, so be it. However, I wonder what would happen if the Sowetan sued for the name on intellectual property grounds.?

      Grant - 2011-04-28 16:08

      So to Manuel and crazydude - why do you think that it would be okay for SAFA to "steal" something that was not theirs? Why is it okay for SAFA to make millions with this trademark, when it supposedly "belongs to the people"? Either its something that SHOULDN'T BE TRADEMARKED OUTRIGHT, or the rights sit with the person who got there first. You cant argue in the middle..

  • Dave - 2011-04-28 10:05

    The amount of money the owner has already made is irrelevant. He owns the trademark. What baffles me is that SAFA diid not buy the trademark years ago when it was worth a lot less. As the years rolled on brand equity was built up and the potential price increased. If we are going to look at history then lets ask why some clot in SAFA allowed the Bafana Bafana name to be used w/o having a contract with a specific buy out clause at a defined price

  • Goose - 2011-04-28 10:13

    Again, another high level example where they want things for "free." Can't these people do anything themselves without always looking for a handout? Bottom line is that SAFA were sleeping and got caught doing so, now when caught out they throw their useless, lazy, arrogant arms up in the air wanting it for free. The millions they pay themselves was wasted because they did not do their jobs!!!

  • Bandit - 2011-04-28 10:13

    Raise the price to 60 million bra - show these lazy louts what business is all about - Hey maybe the thievs will pass a law giving them the power to take take the right---- you know like the whole pension thing ....hahahahahahaha -

  • coen - 2011-04-28 10:15

    Change The name. AMMA KAKA KAKA. Iam going to register it.

      Mabhulwana - 2011-04-28 11:44

      Do not be silly!

  • Mpho R - 2011-04-28 10:43

    Why haven't these morons changed this name? This name may be sounding nice (rhyming), but its true meaning belittles the national team. Even Mbeki pleaded with this thick skulled moegies long before the world cup to drop this name for the same reasons. What is wrong with calling the team just the South Africa Football team? We don't need the nickname. I don't remember seeing nicknames on the jerseys of other nations teams during the world cup.

      Mabhulwana - 2011-04-28 11:46

      Please admit that your futbol knowledge is not that vast!

      hardloop - 2011-04-28 17:22

      Brazil - the samba boys Italy - The Azzurri France - Les Bleu The Netherlands - Die Oranje England - The Three Lions so....and I know that for Brazil France and England those names appear on their football shirts so your little comment just got flushed down the toilet pretty much hey? Nicknames create a sort of air of familiarity and affection between the team and the supporters who rarely have any real connection to their team's players. The nickname makes the people feel like a part of something which in reality they have no part of at all - the players are our friends, our teammates, our countrymen and we prove this by having an affectionate little name that only we call them and understand fully. SAFA: cough up the money like you should have years ago you useless plonkers.

  • Julius - 2011-04-28 11:05

    Come on, sort him out - like the other great african business - taxi sytle

  • StaalBurgher - 2011-04-28 11:09

    They are just pissed off that they have to pay money to a whiteman. If a black businessman owned it they would pay double. Paying a white guy is counter to their "redistribution/theft" policy.

  • Mabhulwana - 2011-04-28 11:49

    Will we ever have proper leadership at SUFFER! I am already holding my breath that the Tanzania game is gonna be cancelled or postponed because someone has not signed the contract as required.

      Albo - 2011-04-28 14:10

      Hehe - "SUFFER" - so true!!

  • BRAKKENJAN STORMER - 2011-04-28 12:07

    why do they want everything for mahala?they never thought of the name now they don't want to pay?damm them,makes me wants to puke on them.

  • Sanity - 2011-04-28 12:36

    This Wayne guy must go hang in the Drakensberg mountains. He has never spent any money to promote the brand and the team but now he wants $#%@ millions. For what! For being an intellectual thief! How much does he invests for the upkeep of the Bafana Bafana. SAFA must change this name as from today, damned Wayne. The Bafana Bafana name will be forgotten in no time. There's nothing impossible. If Vodacom could change their branding and if the scorpions could be disbanded so is this name & it will soon be forgotten. Ppl are just being emotional but they'll forgeting that the only constant is change itself.

      Dave - 2011-04-28 14:23

      I think you may have the wrong end of the stick. Wayne an intellectual thief. He registered the name and then SAFA used it. So SAFA was dumb for using a name that did not belong to them. I am not debating the price because I have no idea what its worth but its definitely more than zero. So SAFA have a choice. Stop using the name and lose the brand equity that goes with it or negotiate a fairer price.

      Mabhulwana - 2011-04-28 16:26

      I think you should go first and hang on the mountain range nearer where you live! This Wayne guy did something any of us would have done had we noticed this inept SAFA leadership. He did nothing wrong in a business sense. The people we ought to be worried about are the elected govt officials who do not do what is expected of them, who are experts in using the taxpayers money for their own pockets. They(SAFA) either abandon the name for good as Mbalula has suggested, negotiate a fairer price as Dave has responded to your message. The other thing they could do is to apologise to the nation and then resign en masse! I am not holding my breath!

  • Sanity - 2011-04-28 12:38

    his Wayne guy must go hang in the Drakensberg mountains. He has never spent any money to promote the brand and the team but now he wants $#%@ millions. For what! For being an intellectual thief! How much does he invests for the upkeep of Bafana Bafana. SAFA must change this name as from today, damned Wayne. The Bafana Bafana name will be forgotten in no time. There's nothing impossible. If Vodacom could change their branding and if the scorpions could be disbanded so is this name & it will soon be forgotten. Ppl are just being emotional but they are forgeting that the only constant is change itself.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-29 08:29

      the guys who must go to the mountains are those who were to dumb to register their own brand! Helloooo.

  • Tombstone - 2011-04-28 13:32

    its not worth anything anyway...

      hardloop - 2011-04-28 17:24

      Actually, it's worth about 5 million Rand per year...which is quite a bit of anything if you ask me.

  • Marcell - 2011-04-28 13:37

    Once again they want it for ....FREE!

  • Dundermoose - 2011-04-28 13:38

    Yeah sure – you can have it for free. Because that’s how business is usually done. No wonder SA football is such a shambles!

  • Pieter Wolf - 2011-04-28 13:46

    Even with a new name they will stil be losers.

  • gees-hey - 2011-04-28 14:49

    bafana such a crap name anyways... lets petition for a proper name for our national soccer team.

      Mabhulwana - 2011-04-28 16:28

      There used to be a cartoon strip in oneof the local magazines called 'The Bafanas'. That is my recommendation.

  • jock van wyk - 2011-04-28 15:12

    Offer them 2rand as the team is not worth much more

  • Matt - 2011-04-28 16:20

    Here's my 2 cents worth... 1) 33 million Rand is nothing to pay for a football team's brand name. Think of the sales in SA and overseas. If it were a brand name for a European team, we'd be talking hundreds of millions of Rands, even billions. 2) How much money do SAFA make? Are they too broke to pay? The PSL rakes in a couple of billion every year, there are TV deals - oh, and what about the replica shirts, which cost R200 a few years ago and now cost a crazy R600 (how do most supporters afford that) 3) It's not like the SA team have been well established for 80 years like overseas teams. The new team only started in the early 1990s. So why give them the nickname Bafana Bafana if it was a registered trademark since 1993? Duh! If you had a big team, you wouldn't call them Coca Cola and then demand Coca Cola to give you their name for free... 4) Relax, it is only a name. In the bigger scheme of things, a name is not worth fighting over. 5) England is a much better team to support but hey I'm biased, he he he

      Freddie - 2011-04-28 17:58

      ....and England have got by for years and years, without any crappy nickname!

      CDS - 2011-04-28 20:52

      I have to agree with similar comments made above: If it was a black businessman who owned it, they would have paid (even more) without even thinking about it too long. I'm NOT turning this into a racial thing, it's a fact. Obviously some dude at SAFA would also get a little on the side. Don't want to pay? Just get another name and move on.

      roboman1 - 2011-04-29 08:31

      of course its a racial thing, the currently politically empowered bunch of AA soccer managers were to dumbass to register their own brand, and some historically intellectually empowered guy was smart enough, well done to him

  • Videographer - 2011-04-28 20:28

    Get real, the name makes the boys sound like vinnige fanie's girlfriends. What the hell are they up to anyway with a name like that? Get a new name and perhaps treat the players like men and we will see results like against Egypt.

  • zoli - 2011-04-28 23:19

    There u go again hey loMVENDA is dom

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  • Bookworm - 2011-04-30 10:00

    If everyone keeps on downing our national team how can we flourish? If you dont water a plant it dies. Simple! Please answer one question. If we are such a bunch of incompetents then how come we are moving up the world rankings quite rapidly i may add? Everyone who is not loyal to bafana please catch the next boat out of SA. We dont want you anyway. Its negative attitudes that divide our beautiful country. Go Bafana Bafana!!

  • tibos2 - 2011-05-04 14:42

    Thats simithi opportunist must keep his trademark name to his red stink two meter big nose, that name belong south african people not to him neither SAFA, the faderation must try to come up wit a new name. the money out from that name shoud go to SAFA if they misuse it thats their problem but as what we know SAFA is a national body not individuals. I see most comments here favour simithi ndlebe zikhanyilanga guy as they are same as his, seeing time for apartheid has long gone they will want anything that comes to make the lost times for their pockets am sure they dont know even what bafana bafana means and this translation The Boys maybe it apply to Zulu language only but in swazi, xhosa, ndebele etc that constitutes South African popuation doesnt mean The Boys, i wish south africa was zimbambwe at times because this scumback would have been in 6 feet under ground by now, i dont care who registered the name first but that name belongs to south african foot ball fan not european thieves

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