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Vermaak released to Bulls

2011-08-08 10:50

Pretoria - Scrumhalf Jano Vermaak has been released to play for the Blue Bulls with immediate effect.

The Bulls said in a statement on Monday that Vermaak would leave the Lions more than two months before the end of his current contract.

"Jano Vermaak has signed a contract to play for the Vodacom Blue Bulls for the remainder of the Currie Cup season," the union said.

Vermaak, who joined the Lions in 2004, signed a two-year contract with the Bulls last week, but was not expected to link up with his new team until the end of the Currie Cup season.

The 26-year-old scrumhalf was reportedly left to train on his own at Lions practice the day after he signed with their perennial rivals.

He was then dropped from the side to face the Bulls in Pretoria at the weekend.

The Lions went on to win that game 37-26, stretching their lead at the top of the log, while the Bulls were left trailing in bottom spot.

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Comments
  • Will99 - 2011-08-08 10:54

    Ag weet jy wat. As die Lions so wil wees dan welkom by die Bulls Vermaak!

      FJ2 - 2011-08-08 11:51

      What for? Their current scrummie is OK and besides that, Vermaak will always play second fiddle to Hougaardt.

      Juan - 2011-08-08 11:56

      Dit is sy eie skuld omdat hy agteraf was, volgens hom gaan hy bulls toe om n Bok te word maar hy gaan nie vir Hougard lig nie so ek dink dit was n dom move.

      Bulldozer - 2011-08-08 12:33

      FJ2, Jinka is useless.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-08 12:34

      ...die Lions is kleinlik en uiters kinderagtig......!! .......welkom by die Bulls..!!

      Balsakhater - 2011-08-08 13:09

      Watch this space. I have said long time back already that this player is Springbok material and his talent is waysted at the lions. Bulls is buzy building a new team. This year sofar is a desaster. But lets see next year.

      WernerE - 2011-08-08 13:20

      @balsakhater - the bulls are not busy building a team, they are buying a new team

      hls - 2011-08-08 13:34

      How do you include someone in your team that has: 1) been dishonest? 2) allowed the opposition that you are playing against the coming weekend to manipulate you into announcing your move 3 days prior to the match? Can you trust such a player to still give his best for your province? I think not. Cheers Jano..go weaken the bulls team.

      StBad - 2011-08-08 16:24

      Come on okes... he's always been a quality player and knocked on the door of the Springboks a few times. What's the point of letting him hang around til the end of the Currie Cup when clearly the Lions need to blood Bondesio (and others) in. Very mature move by Mitchell and I'm sure the media are playing up the scandal in this situation. Wait for a media release from Mitchell...

  • docraven - 2011-08-08 10:58

    All the Help they can get.

      JustinD - 2011-08-08 11:05

      Spot on

      Bulldozer - 2011-08-08 12:32

      I actually agree with sparky. Imagine that.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-08 12:36

      ......still NO cups... .....10 year losers and counting....

  • Sandile van Heerden - 2011-08-08 11:09

    I think the Bulls needed him as soon as yesterday! Good luck Vermaak, will miss you!

  • WernerE - 2011-08-08 11:13

    As hy so slapgat is om agteraf 'n kontrak te sluit met die bulls, dan moet hy maar eerder gaan. Het nie die guts om oop kaarte te speel oor sy besluit nie. Hy hou seker daarvan om onder te wees op die log. Toe die lions onder was, was hy gelukkig daar. Nou is die lions bo so nou wil hy by die bulls wees, wat heel toevallig onder op die log is. Buitendien ons het hom nie nodig nie, het baie goed gedoen sonder hom saterdag. Go Lions

      wpmannetjie - 2011-08-08 11:39

      dit is besigheid my maat ,as jy more R20 000 op jou salaris kry gaan jy aan bly waar jy nou is ek glo nie .....

      bakkebul - 2011-08-08 11:39

      You bunch of hypocrites - having a go at Jano! When you start searching for another job the first you do is to tell your boss your CV is out, bulls…t man!! Jano played within the rules and he looked out for himself – nothing wrong with that – Lions Rugby Union acted like little spoilt brats.

      BokBru - 2011-08-08 12:01

      Bakkebul, cannot agree more. His contract was up in two months time. He went and got himself another job. What is wrong with that.

      WernerE - 2011-08-08 12:34

      Ek stry nie met julle daaroor nie. Gaan waar die geld is. Die probleem is net dat hy gesê het dat hy nie met ander unies gepraat het om te skuif nie, maar toe teken hy 'n kontrak met die bulle. Dit wys jou net hoeveel sy woord eintlik beteken. Sê iets en doen iets anders

      Bulldozer - 2011-08-08 12:36

      WPmannetjie, as Werner R20,000 op sy salaris kry, dan is sy salaris R20,000.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-08 12:38

      ....Jano Vermaak wil nou saam met die GROOT manne speel... ......Go Bulls...!!!

  • Arries - 2011-08-08 11:17

    Not a fan of either team, but to treat Vermaak like that after 7 years of service is pathetic. Hope you all the best with the Bulls Vermaak!

      adiama - 2011-08-08 11:22

      nope you do not understand, he is treating the hand that fed him for seven years...

      Johan - 2011-08-08 11:25

      Then how should they treat him... I think it was the right decision by the Lions management..they didn't said anything bad to him! Vermaak might have been baised in Saterdays game..I don;t know. The Lions grant him his wishes to go and play at the Bulls even though he is only supposed to go there the end of the season..bad taste would have not let him go and not play him all season, The Lions coaching staff want to build their team and then its crazy to do so if a player are going to leave. I think the Lions have handled this very well. I feel sorry for Jano...he was extremely good 2 years ago and was not considered even at Springbok...now that the Lions are starting to improve he is going to a team that have to rebuild from scratch again...maybe he has another agenda in PTA. Good luck to him!

      BokBru - 2011-08-08 11:39

      One must remember that his is a professional era. It's a job to these guys. In other jobs you can apply for a better position/job without informing your current employer. Why should this be different in rugby. His contract is until the end of this season and then he can go where he wishes. I think it was bad treatment from the Lions. Not professional at all.

      Johan - 2011-08-08 12:18

      @Bokbru..How did they treat him badly...by not playing him against the Bulls...He(Jano) inform a week before the game (Bulls game) that he is going to go to the Bulls..Thus..the Lions have done whats best for them...! Jano (I don't say he will do it but the possibility exist) that he might not act in the best interest for the Lions team in that particular game....a week later they grant him his wishes way earlier....He will most probably play this weekend where he wants to play... If thats bad treatment I don't know what is good treatment. The following will happen if he is kept in the team... 1 > He will have an attitude shift.(He wants to be elsewhere) 2 > The Lions are building on a key player who is not going to be there next season. I generally thin the Lions handled this extremely well! Bad treatment would have been keeping him into his contract and not playing him al season...that would be bad!

      BokBru - 2011-08-08 12:28

      @Johan. I see what you're saying but if you get a contract then you work from day one until the contract is up. If everyone went on what you're saying then anyone who does not renew his contract must be kicked out a couple of months before the end of his contract. He was still working for them and should have been there until the last day of his contract. It's a job remember.

      Johan - 2011-08-08 13:35

      @Bokbru...I agree with you in that context though but taking the big picture into acccount...When Jacque Fourie want to leave the Lions they try to keep him at all costs during that period..however his rugby during the debacle for the Lions was not good at all... Vermaak wants to go to the Bulls..the Lions next game was against the Bulls..vermaak signed a contract with the Bulls which is cool and what so ever...now if I am the coach I would imediately question Jano's attitude in the game...Now based on where the Lions are with their current rebuilding and not losing a match this far...I would also not consider him....The next thing is....the cost in releasing him now out of his contract while still rebuilding! I agree with you they are professionals but sometimes you have to act differently from the contract..and I am totaly sure he would stil get some sort of remuneration package due to breach of contract. The Bulls can put him in their plans for this season and next season (they also have to think of rebuilding)...so they also score! I think this was a win win situation for all!

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-08 11:18

    The Lions should have kicked his scrawny butt last week already. Terribly underhanded and skelm the way he went about all this. And no, I am not having a go at the Bulls, I am attacking the PLAYER. If he expects to be treated as a professional, he should learn to spell the word first. Little twat. Why did he lie to the Lions? Pfffft.

      Andrew - 2011-08-08 11:39

      We do exactly the same in business. Staff member resigns and is off to the competition! They will promptly get escorted to their work station to collect personal effects then get escorted to the parking lot and are banned from coming back onto site if not invited and must be accompanied by a responsible person.

      BokBru - 2011-08-08 11:45

      Saffa, it's quite difficult both ways. If he told them he wanted to leave before he had any other contract and they reacted the way they did he would have been without a job today. It's like in any other job. If you want to leave you apply for another job and when you get it you resign from your current one. You don't tell your employers you want to leave and then you start to look for another job. Look at both sides of the situation. Both ways it's impossible.

      Andrew - 2011-08-08 11:45

      In his defense, it is very difficult to move to a competitive team through "open" negotiations. Once you have indicated a desire to leave and where you plan going this generally results in an irrevocable breakdown in trust between both parties and there is normally no way back if the negotiations fail. No many of us will go to our bosses with "lets discuss the fact that I want to leave and go the opposition". You are likely to be met with a rather hostile and cold response.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-08 11:48

      The issue I have with him, is the fact that he promised the Lions he wasn't chatting to any other unions. Had the Bulls not made the c**k up in announcing the signing prematurely (which is what happened...) the Lions would have been none the wiser until he buggered off at the end of the Currie Cup. I'm glad he has gone, it at least gives the Lions the chance to buy another scrummie (probably one of our WP boys sigh.....Groom or Schreuder - double sigh)

      BokBru - 2011-08-08 12:06

      Saffa you might be right but it's not easy to have open negotiations when you plan to move, specially to your main opposition. Maybe he knew what was coming if he came out with the truth so he kept it quiet. In things like this you will always have two wrongs and both sides will be at fault. I'm glad the WP acted better with Sadie and Engelbrecht.

      GraemeBB - 2011-08-08 12:22

      @Saffa - If you employ people, you should know that no one wants to keep his boss up-to-date about looking for other opportunities. I hardly think we should call him a skelm. That said, why did the Bulls give this guy a contract. I like our scrummy, and he would have been a good second scrummy to Houggie. It pisses me off - lets find a new Flyhalf and Loosie for goodness sakes!

      John - 2011-08-08 12:41

      Little bit of both. The reaction by the Lions management is immature. Should Jano have been open? That is debatable. The Bulls need a scrummie to replace Du Preez and made it obvious they were looking at Vermaak.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-08 12:48

      @GraemeBB - it's not him leaving that's at issue. It was blatant lying to his management. At least Sadie and JJ were honest. I think Mitchell is trying very very hard to instill a culture of honesty and respect in the Lions setup (what with all the current and past chaos) - and I think Jano backhanded that. He should NOT have made a commitment to the Lions management, when he knew he was lying - simple. It just says a lot about his character IMHO. That said - I agree with you at 10...This Brummer chap just doesn't seem to be the business. Although to be fair, the man got very little time behind Morne, and one can't really compare the Vodacom Cup. But I reckon the Bulls will be on the hunt for a 10 bigtime now - probably one of the Cape 10's - we have about 9 of them.

      WernerE - 2011-08-08 12:52

      I agree with you Saffa. If he just kept quiet it would have been fine, but he told them he negotiating with other unions. Great player, he just didn't treat the situation correctly.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-08 14:34

      .....Bulls buy talent... ........Stormers/WP buy has-beens.... ......spot the difference...??

      hls - 2011-08-08 18:55

      I am willing to bet that he was contracted by the Bulls some time ago already. They only announced it the week before they played against the Lions. This is the way the bulls management do things. Go and have a close look at when they announce new aquisitions. Most of the time the week before they play the team from who they have bought the player. Sick bunch!

  • Mark - 2011-08-08 11:41

    Hope they dont order him to kick the ball away!!!

  • Zullie - 2011-08-08 11:55

    Interesting, but this guy Jinka has been playing really good rugby - he is quick at the base of the scrum - I would have nurtured him - keep an eye on him. This from a SHARKS supporter.

      Glen - 2011-08-08 12:40

      Agree, from a Lions supporter.

  • Robschele - 2011-08-08 12:55

    Ek het nou al by verskeie mense gehoor dat die Bulls spelers koop en dan is dit die laaste wat jy van daardie speler hoor. So ons sal maar volgende jaar sien wie speel en wie verdwyn.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-08-08 13:07

      @Robschele - The Bulls buy a HUGE percentage of the 'Grade A' talent on display at Craven Week each year (year in and year out), and I would like to know what happens to those kids. Serious question. As a 'non' Bulls supporter, it often feels as though the Bulls 'buy' anyone who can catch a ball at a young age - just to make sure no other union gets the player. Ditto for the school kids (u/15 - u/16) they 'buy' from the Boland and Western Cape - what happens to all these kids? Just curious. Tis not a personal attack Bulls chaps - but it would be interesting to see the numbers of players contracted, and what happens to them.

      WPStrm 4ever - 2011-08-08 13:44

      Saffa you are so right in your statement. Lets take Sadie/JJ for instance. These 2 would have surely featured in the cape teams next year as they do now already. The bulls buy them with the promise of more/quarenteed game time and obviously a load of money. What is going to happen to Olivier, Pretorius, Watermeyer, Dippenaar who is also promised game time which leaves Sadie at 5th choice? In JJ's case they have Hougaard, Ndungani,v/d Heever which leaves him at 4th choice at best. Like you say, one get the feeling they buy these guys (Jinka/Groepies/Visser to name a few) to keep them out of other teams playing against them. Seems the Bulls is trying to buy their championships again. Sign players from al over the country again instead of developing their own talent. And then they call the Stormers/WP a barbarian side.

      hls - 2011-08-08 13:44

      All unions by players. This is part of the modern game. What the Bulls do differently is they generally announce that they have bought a province's player the week before they play the said province. They did this with Wikus van Heerden (then Lions captain) a week before the semi's against the Lions, they did it 2 weeks ago before playing the Stormers and they again did it last week. What a utterly sick way of going about business.

  • sopdrol - 2011-08-08 13:26

    who cares if Jano plays for Waikato or the Bulls. Stupid move either way, he spent 7 years with a losing side and has now moved to a side who will not win silverware in the next 7. Poor oke.

      BlueRaven - 2011-08-08 16:24

      Oh really?

  • LionsFan - 2011-08-08 13:48

    Good luck to him ,wish him all of the best ,Not sure if we have the full story from both sides here ,I think the Lions have not been fair to him .

  • Stefan Pretorius - 2011-08-08 14:04

    Laat mens wonder of die Lions nie dalk maar net te bly is om van hom ontslae te raak nie ??

  • Lion - 2011-08-08 14:13

    Ok but happened to the rule that you can’t play for more than one cc team in a season

  • marius.louw1 - 2011-08-08 14:17

    As WP supporter dink ek die Lions het baie goed op getree. Vir die wat die Lions kritiseer, dink net die Lions kon Jano gehou het en nooit laat speel het nie. Hul nuwe skrumskakel het heel goed vertoon. Die Lions help eintlik die bulle om Jano te laat gaan. Ek persoonlik dink Jano is n uitstekende speler. Een van die kommantaters het baie goed opgesom oor die supporters toe hy sê in die streek support hulle nie n verloor span nie. Daar was minder as 15000 toeskouers, en die meeste was Lion supporters. Laat dink my aan die tye toe die bulle so gesukkel het in super rugby was daar op n stadium minder as 7000 toeskouers vir n super wedstryd. Wys maar net hoe swak is hule supporters, gaan vir hulle nie oor hul span nie, net oor wen. Go Lions, hoop julle n goeie jaar toe. Dink terug, laas toe die Lions die CC gewen het, was ook in die WC jaar. Dalk voorspel dit iets. Hoop maar dis die WP of Griekwas teen wie julle speel in die Final.

  • Julz - 2011-08-08 14:22

    Good player, why didnt WP buy him!He is certainly a hell of a lot better than Dustbin Jinka!Go Jano

      JohnnyBB - 2011-08-08 14:37

      ....Stormers/WP only buy "has-beens"....

  • grant nicol - 2011-08-08 14:32

    What is wrong with SA rugby why do they release players when they have signed a new Contract, make the greedy money grabbing players, sit until next season like other sports do around the world

  • Excalibur - 2011-08-08 15:13

    Welkom Jano!

  • ispeak - 2011-08-08 16:20

    Welcome to the professional era... loyalty has been thrown out the door ever since the sport turned professional...and word to the wise, it will get worse, people want to win titles, and if the Bulls find it this way to win titles...so let it be, get up and move on with the times...how many players have Man United bought to win titles??? after all is said and done and titles are won, people don't care about where the players came from

      hls - 2011-08-08 19:10

      You should still have some integrity though. Negotiate a new contract by all means. Announce it at the correct time. Not 3 days before you are suppose to play against the team that you just signed a contract with. Why could he not have waited for a week or two? Or, was he not allowed to wait? (i.e. you have a contract with us , but announce it now.)

  • Martin - 2011-08-08 19:59

    Jano Vermaak verdien al 'n paar seisoene lank om ten minste in die Bok oefengroep te wees, net soos Sarel Pretorius. Ongelukkig het dit nie gebeur nie, Sarel is vir ons verlore en volgende is Jano, na sy tyd by die Bulle. Hy gaan sekerlik deur een van die spanne in Engeland of Frankryk afgevry word, om 'n eenvoudige rede: Beroepsport! Rugby, nes baie ander sportsoorte, het 'n goed besoldigende WERK geword. Dit is wat hier gebeur het, hy was nie oneerlik nie, enige persoon sal 'n idioot wees om eers te wag dat sy werkskontrak uitloop voordat hy 'n ander kontrak beding! Hierdie ouens is in elk geval profesionele persone/spelers wat altyd moet streef om net hul beste te gee - en gewoonlik is hul beste nie genoeg nie, want daar is altyd iemand wat ontevrede is. @WernerE en SAFFA-CAT - dit wil voorkom asof julle 2'tjies die hele tyd teenwoordig was, so baie weet julle van die onderhandelinge en dat Jano gelieg het en skelm was. Wys jou net dat sommige ouens altyd dink hulle weet alles en kan kommetaar lewer oor enige iets... en meeste van die tyd in elkgeval strooi praat! Dit maak ook nie saak of sommige mense dink dat Jano 2de viool sal speel vir Hougaardt nie, elke provinsie moet 2 of meer spelers in elke posisie insluit in hul oefengroep, wat dan in elk geval een of ander tyd speeltyd sal kry. Ek het nog nooit 'n van 'n wedstryd gehoor waar daar nie 'n speler van 'n sekere posisie in 'n span ingesluit is nie, daar moet net 15 spelers wees! Sterkte Jano!!!

  • Neilson - 2011-08-08 22:05

    Yes, quite interesting move from the Lions. Vermaak has been VERY loyal to the Lions, through rough years of losing week in and week out while he was considered Bok material. Finally when he decides to better his career at a successful franchise (Lions being bankrupt and all) Now they throw him out like a dirty rag. Sheesh, Warning to all Lion prospects. NEVER EVER Join them, they will chew you up and spit you out. Good Luck at the Bulls Jano. Its a young team, but at least you will get the opportunity to rub it in the Lions coaching staff's face.

  • Peanut - 2011-08-10 07:34

    Well done Jano.... Left th Lions that is TOP of the log for the Blue Cows at the BOTTOM of the log... lol

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