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Tough baptism for Bok rookies

2011-07-23 19:10

Jason Humphries

Sydney - Springbok coach Peter de Villiers said that the rookies packed into the South Africa team which succumbed 39-20 to Australia in a Tri-Nations Test on Saturday would hopefully realise just how tough the step up to Test rugby is.

South Africa left 21 injured players at home ahead of the away-leg of their Tri-Nations campaign.

The upshot of the decision was that three players, props Werner Kruger and Dean Greyling and eighthman Ashley Johnson were making their debut against Australia while lock Alistair Hargreaves was making his run-on debut.

Wings Lwazi Mvovo and Bjorn Basson and flank Deon Stegman had all played less than five Tests for their country prior to the Australia clash.

It’s not by choice that we are touring with such a lot of new guys,” De Villiers said after the match.

“I felt sorry for John (Smit) at times during the match. To be captain is one thing but not to have some leadership around you to help calm the new guys down is tough.

“I hope the lessons that they learnt today, as to the difference between playing for your country and Super Rugby level which is quite remarkable,” De Villiers added.

Smit said that he was pleased with the way the youngsters had stuck to their guns despite trailing Australia by 39-6 at one stage before two late Springbok tries added a touch of gloss to the final score.

“In terms of the 80 minutes as a whole, there were moments when we were guilty of lack of concentration which really counted against us. But what I enjoyed with a younger side is that they chased to the death,” said Smit.

“There were some tries that went a begging for the Wallabies because there was a lot of guts and chasing from the youngsters to make sure that that didn’t happen. Those are the kinds of things that we can draw upon.

We will have to learn from this, let those guys take in the experience and then be pretty harsh on Monday because we didn’t execute the things that we trained to do for three weeks,” he explained.

Smit went on to say that although the final result was not “great” there were one or two positives to come out of the match.

“When these guys felt that they could get go forward ball, they got control of the game and they got a bit of composure and they realised how easy the game could be. They would have learnt though that at this level, turnovers can hurt you. Those are the type of thing we will concentrate on at training this week,” he concluded.

While the result may have been a bitter pill to swallow the news for De Villiers got worse when he confirmed that locks Alistair Hargreaves (abdominal strain) and Flip van der Merwe (rib) had both picked up injuries during the match.

The full extent of the injuries had yet to be assessed but the potential loss of the duo ahead of Saturday’s clash with New Zealand has left De Villiers in a precarious position.

“Never rains but it pours,” De Villiers lamented.

“I don’t know, are there any locks left in South Africa? It’s bad news for us but you have to overcome these things,” he concluded.

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Comments
  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-23 19:23

    I supported the Bokke and will do so again next weekend. But to explain this loss, I'm going to leave to the Blue Bulls and Sharks supporters. Afterall, the team exsisted almost completely out of their players. How I wished the famous Stormers defence was a facet of our game!

      Scaramouche - 2011-07-23 20:08

      Kleinboet, several problems of which inexperience was one. I was disappointed in the 10, 12, 13 channel. Olivier had a poor game and De Jongh became to predicatible (both breaking inside with ball in hand). Morne Steyn was also dissappointing. If he could not kick for goal, whoch would want him (on present form). Lambie showed more direction when he came on and it was good to see Ruan back. he made some mistakes, but looked hungry.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-23 20:37

      And what about the total lack of commitment up front? De Jongh had almost no change to show his flair because he did not get the ball.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-23 20:56

      @Scaramouche.....the problem is, JdJ never ever received the ball without already having an Aussie in his face. The problem with Meisiekind is that if he is not hogging the ball to himself first of all, he hasn't a clue how to create space for his outside partner.

      Bulkalf - 2011-07-23 21:06

      De Jongh en Aplon (rym nogal ) was nou regtig nie die beste verdedigers wat ek al in my lewe gesien het nie ! Simpel Stormers !!

      Black Beauty - 2011-07-24 02:44

      Did the rain help the Boks? No such thing as a "b' team, was it the ref, transformation, cheating etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc, maybe, just maybe, it was because the Boks are'nt as good as Saffas think? I can't wait till the WC because SA will be RELEGATED TO 5th in world rankings (and rightfully so)

      Durasmart - 2011-07-24 07:01

      @Scaramouche. The problems started at Ruan Pienaar. He has suddenly developed a Ricky Januarie two-step before passing the ball, which gave the Aussies an extra second to get their backline defence in position and quite a few of his passes were fairly wild as well. I distinctly remembered one of his passes early in the game from a 5 metre scrum on our own goal line that Morne had to give a full step to the right and then still had to even further to the right to be able to catch the ball.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-24 07:43

      Quote: "get go forward ball ..... and they realised how easy the game could be". And: "They would have learnt though that at this level, turnovers can hurt you". Wow... I am not a good public speaker myself, but if those statements reflect the actual level of coaching analysis, then we have a serious problem. This is not an anti-transformation statement - the entire coaching team seems clueless - like some previous all-White Bok coaching teams. I have too look back as far as Mallett and Christie to recall visionary coaching. And I suspect many SA Rugby supporters are now past the stage of feeling sorry for John Smit, who cuts a tragi-comic figure in the international rugby arena at this point. I feel sorry for Bizmarck, Chilli and a host of other RSA hookers who are far more deserving of wearing the number 2 jersey. The Bokke must be looking with trepidation at next week's game - they are in for a serious mauling. Hopefully Graham Henry will rest the core of his World Cup squad to avoid injuring themselves diving over the tryline to often. I will remain faithful to my people and support the Bokke in their coming losses - for better or for worse, they are part of my dysfunctional family - with me, you do not have to watch your back.

      Backstabber - 2011-07-24 07:46

      Karoo sucks. Hehehehehehehehehe

      Chiduli - 2011-07-24 09:43

      I don't know what TV you were watching??? Three Sharks, how many Bulls?? Funny when they did bring Sharks players on, ie. Lambie, Deysel, Kankowski and Jacobs, what a much better side they looked!! Steyn and Olivier were pathetic, maybe that is why De Jong got no ball!!

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-24 10:34

      Have you seen how many tackles the WP guys had..no full back defence at all....

      apie - 2011-07-24 10:47

      Everybody is overlooking one important feature: the boks is a political game by the anc. There are players who are on the bench in the super series but are picked to play for your country. The boks are a disgrace to their jerseys. Helium and saru should resign forthwith.

      Merle - 2011-07-24 16:42

      Hey Kleinboet - shake your eyes because your head is stuck. Let's see who missed the tackles - De Jongh (WP), Olivier (Bulls), Steyn (Bulls), Basson (Bulls), Aplon (WP) - so where was the famous Stormers defence hey? Don't shout down the Sharks.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-24 20:39

      Bulkalf, dit is my probleem: die twee WP spelers kon nie almal se lakwerk vir hulle doen nie. Die res het glad nie verdedig nie. Daar is byvoorbeeld bo-oor Morné Steyn gehardloop vir die een drie; en John Smit het net so 'n slap handjie uitgesteek na daardie man wat om Aplon gekom het. Hy moes daar en dan vasgevat gewees het, dit moes nie eens vir Aplon nodig gewees het om te probeer keer nie. Jy antwoord nie my vraag nie; maar probeer dit ontduik deur 'n halfhartige aanval op die twee WP spelers. Aplon was een van die min spelers, saam met Danie Rossouw, wat darem probeer het. Hoe kan De Jongh verdedig met Meisiekind se patetiese spel langsaan hom? Toe daai twee vir die Stormers gespeel het, het hulle verdediging niks makeer nie, so moenie die fout daar soek nie.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-24 20:46

      Merle, John Smit did not even try to tackle that player who then had an open tryline in front of him and only had to side-step Aplon. (Smit is a Sharks player!) Any other person in the tight five would have tackled that man with ease! The player was not even suppose to reach Aplon. To my mind Smit conceeded that try.

      ARRA - 2011-07-25 09:03

      die bokke se probleem saterdag was baie eenvoudig,John Smit is nie op standaard nie 2 driee vanaf sy foute ,Ruan Pienaar hardloop 4 tree vanaf skrum of lynstaan voordat hy pass ,enige ex skrumskakel of losskakel weet dit is vital om die bal onmiddelik te versprei om sodoende jou backline n geleentheid te gee om homself te laat geld-10,12,13 het geen kans gehad om te speel nie want elke tree wat Pienaar met bal hardloop kom verdediging ook n tree nader,dus probleem saterdag JS RP bewys my verkeerd of kyk die game weer

  • Bren Vander - 2011-07-23 20:09

    He felt sorry for Smit at times..... Are you kidding me!?!?!?! That's like saying you feel sorry for the guy you sent to war, because you only gave him a knife. Why didn't you at least give him a farking handgun you ass!!!

      Andy49 - 2011-07-23 20:22

      “I felt sorry for John (Smit) at times during the match. To be captain is one thing but not to have some leadership around you to help calm the new guys down is tough. Now if FatSmit is the best ever Bok captain with great leadership (according to his disciples) then why does the coach make this daft comment?

      René Müller - 2011-07-23 20:23

      @Bren, PDivvy is more delusional than I thought. "the guys lacked concentration" - really? They lacked a game plan amongst a lot of other things too. He should stop doing interviews and start working with his coaching staff on a winning game plan. I have always came up for this coach of ours but no more. He is simply USELESS!! He is single handedly killing the pride of the Bok jersey!!

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-23 20:30

      René, and the incompetent Bulls and Sharks layers who dominates this team is killing the Bok jersey with both hands, strangling it with their disprespect for the jersey. They're just not good enough. Peter cannot play on their behalf, my lovely!

      Marshall - 2011-07-23 20:48

      “I felt sorry for John (Smit) at times during the match"... Ja Div, me too! He looked as useful as a road-cone in the middle of the field with the Aussies running circles around him. Yesterday Div said the key was to deny the Aussies possession... yet today the Boks literally handed the ball to them. I have respect for John Smit, but I am finding it impossibly difficult to justify his selection anymore. Chilli was in a higher class when he came on. On the up side though, I think some of the guys did well irrespective of what was going on around them. 13 to 15 show there is potential creativity in attack, but it would help if 9 to 12 provided them with more time and space. As much as I find aspects of the game disappointing, I will always be green and gold.

      René Müller - 2011-07-23 20:52

      Kleinboet, what I saw today wasn't a bad WP, Shark or Bull player, I saw 15 guys in the Green & Gold that played extremely bad. Why? You rather had Schalk, Jean and Habana in the team?

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-23 20:59

      I feel sorry for Divvy....he really has fallen into the deep end and still doesn't know what it is like to be the coach of an International team. He remains the Prince of Clowns!

      slg - 2011-07-24 02:36

      Rene, couldn't agree more. It's so obvious there's little coaching going on and no game plan. It's like watching high-school or age-group rugby when the "Springboks" play. It's incredibly disappointing and frustrating.

      apie - 2011-07-24 10:53

      kleinboet you obviously come from the flats, hence your support of helium. You obviously dont know much about the game of rugby (the oval ball).

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-24 20:57

      apie, I worked and resided in Gauteng for 30 years before retiring to the Cape. I'm pure white and Afrikaans speaking. I live in a rich residential area in a house that I paid for in cash. Where do you originate from? Or are you ashamed of your background? Moenie ander agter die deur soek as jy self daar staan nie, mannetjie!

  • eugene.lategan - 2011-07-23 20:37

    As a bok supporter it hurts to see your team loose.But having said that. This was the best team the Aussies have. And then 19 points don't look so bad after all. The question is why we never had a warm up game? Typical SA planing. First game as a team you take on the Aussies...not a good idea. Ruan had a shocker...rugby up north made him slow. nr 10 , 12 and 13 never got going ...I wonder if Morne can actually still run.

      Juan More - 2011-07-23 20:54

      Agree with you. Steyn needs to go. Getting bored of watching his predictable kicking. Was happy with back three though. Lose btw, not "loose".

      Cicero - 2011-07-24 08:24

      See what happened when Lambie replaced Steyn? We all of a sudden scored tries (too late though)

      Hayden - 2011-07-24 08:43

      And myself & 3 friends have the opportunity of joining the Sport24 team at the 12 Apostles Hotel and Spa for an exclusive viewing of the Tri-Nations clash between the Springboks and the All Blacks this coming weekend and i seriously dont know about the outcome. My team that i would like to represent the nation......... 15 Gio Aplon, 14 Bjorn Basson, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Adi Jacobs , 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Danie Rossouw , 7 Ryan Kankowski , 6 Jean Deysel , 5 Johann Muller (Captain), 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 CJ van der Linde, 1 Chiliboy Ralepelle Substitutes: 16 Dean Greyling, 17 John Smit, 18 Ashley Johnson , 19 Deon Stegmann, 20 Ruan Pienaar , 21 Wynand Olivier , 22 Morné Steyn That's the best players we have on tour! Viva ama Bokke

      apie - 2011-07-24 10:54

      If you are against racism you will oppose the bok team. The anc controls saru and the entire game of rugby. The sport is doomed in this country.

      apie - 2011-07-24 10:56

      Cicero, no chance. We only scored tries because the aussies got their 4 tries and coasted the rest of the match. The could've score 50 plus points.

      Joe Soap - 2011-07-24 11:32

      Steyn looked almost shell-shocked. As weak on defense as he was on attack. If he keeps this up I dont see him being the first choice #10 for RWC. I can hear the Bulls supporters already! Do yourselves a favour, remove your blue tinted glasses and see his lack of performance for what it is. Lambie made a huge diff when he came on. Also, WO was equally out of his deapth.

  • MacWright - 2011-07-23 21:43

    Ag shame Peter, 3 new caps in the team and you make this excuse. What crap will you speak again next week? The Springboks need a better coach than you, somebody like Jake White then SA will win the World Cup again. Be ready to receive the wooden spoon once again in the Tri-Nations. Oh by the way Peter express a little insight for once - open your eyes and not your big mouth. NB - We do have plenty of locks left in South Africa. You are just one big joke Peter. Your team was hopelessly outplayed outplayed by the Wallabies who took their foot off the pedal after securing the five points LONG time before the final whistle..

      Eric West - 2011-07-24 10:01

      Or even Heyneke Meyer! He was the preferred candidate - until the f*cking ANC politicians interfered in the process! :(

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:00

      SARU=ANC. What happened the the IRB rule that there must be no political interference in the game of rugby?

  • Juggernaut - 2011-07-23 21:50

    Poor showing. Loose trio not up to it at all. De Jongh, Aplon, Kankowski and Steggman really found out. hy chliboy and not Strauss from OFS? Steyn unsure og himself and Pienaar only got better in the 2nd half. Lambie no great shakes. Too much to expect a win from a pick up side that has not played together but still poor over.

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:06

      chilliboy a quota player. ANC rules.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-24 19:25

      Apie why are you moaning so profusely about political interference in sport, when people of colour were denied opportunity to play for the Boks for decades while you and your types remained silent? Chilliboy is an outstanding ambassador for Rugby in our troubled land - unlike Luke Watson a man that can unite rather than divide. He is also a much better player than Smit. Wasn't it for that phenomenon called Bismarck du Plessis, who rightfully owns our national number 2 jersey, we would have done well to make Chilli our RWC 2011 captain.

  • Franswa - 2011-07-23 22:27

    lets get real.The Bok jersey has no longer any meaning of pride.New caps get handed out like candy to "kids".How can you experiment at international level with a bunch of num nuts.(Olivier,Steyn,De Jonge) needs to be dropped back to school boy rugby).Man it sucks so bad to see something you love so much getting drilled

  • slg - 2011-07-23 23:59

    It was 'tough' because the coach has been over-promoted and so have a bunch of players of colour. I really think it's time to realize these are not the Springboks, but the Proteas. The longer they wear the Springbok emblem and are called as such, the more the true Springbok legacy is lost.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-24 01:40

      The front row, locks, Stegman, Pienaar, Steyn, Meisiekind were the worst. Are they the players of colour you are talking about?

      slg - 2011-07-24 02:01

      Maybe that was the case because the coach and some players have been over-promoted. Maybe this has degraded the vessel that is, or was, Springbok rugby. Maybe it would be different if coaches and players were truly selected on merit. It would. This has been going on for years now.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-24 08:06

      slg - I have to disagree. This is not about colour at this point. PdV's record as a coach compares favourably with most previous RSA coaches in the professional era. I do have a feeling though that his record is about to seriously tank in the forseeable future. Also, most of the better Boks on the field today seems to have been the players of colour. That pint sized rocket with the heart of a lion, Gio Aplon, is my favorite Bok player at present. Many RSA supporters love players like the Beast and Mvovo. Chilli is streets better than Smit. We are missing something in our backline, but that is more at the number 10 level. But what is missing in RSA is Rugby brainpower - the vision thing seems to be absent in our franchise and provincial coaching teams, irrespective of colour. It was good to see Rassie joining our struggling National coaching team. However, the only SA coach that could potentially match pipes with the likes of Henry and Deans is out in SA Rugby wilderness, coaching the Italian National team.

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:10

      Howzitekse No we mean players like chilliboy, de jongh, aplon. You cant expect players to give of their best unless the best team is represented. Sorry for you if you cannot see that. Maybe you need to support Bafarter Bafarter instead.

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:13

      Karoobloed This has everything to do with colour. If you cannot see that then you are colour blind and also not very bright. being positive is great. Being positive and stupid is a pain.

      Karoobloed - 2011-07-24 18:31

      You call yourself apie?

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-25 13:43

      Karoobloed AAP is more like it.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-25 14:36

      No, BlueRaven, "Apie" fits him just right: small and scared and a nincompoop who lashes out at all and sundry. "Aap" would give him more stature than he deserves. I think he feels threatened by everything around him. Even when he farts, he jumps three meters high and blames it on others.

  • Black Beauty - 2011-07-24 00:35

    Once again this game showed how the Boks cheat by being continually offside/forward passes and smothering the ball. The score flattered the Boks, it should have been 50 nil. Maybe the ref favoured the Boks AGAIN, bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

      Dylan Swanepoel - 2011-07-24 08:15

      Who the hell are you?

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-24 09:01

      A legendary horse that would take much pleasure in seeing the Bok team transformed into something absolutely useless (like Lithuania level), but still somehow feels compelled to entertain us on an SA Rugby site.

      Eric West - 2011-07-24 10:03

      Black Beauty - "Black is beautiful, but it doesn't look so hot on a pekkie!" :)

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-25 13:45

      Black Beauty we all know come the RWC the All Blacks = Chokers... so sod off!

  • Crusader Man - 2011-07-24 01:10

    Does anyone believe your clown of a coach, it was him who selected the team, and does he really expect anyone to believe that the players left at home were actually injured.. What an idiot.. Everyone knows there is a huge diff between super rugby and test rugby. Thats why when you select players you are suppose to select players with the x factor... Thats y Henry doesn't select players who would get chosen in any other international team.. Cos super rugby isn't test rugby.. Div is a very silly man for not blooding new players with his core team.. Really what advantage is there for these players to come over here and get walloped.. It could ruin there futures by such an arrogant coach who is suppose to teach them about test rugby... what a dik...

      Franswa - 2011-07-24 06:36

      Hey mate.....do you support the boks or have you chosen the Blacks.....because im close to becoming black

      Backstabber - 2011-07-24 08:31

      Franswa, please join our elite club. With our philosophy all Rubgy supporters should support the one team considered the best in the world. And we then take credit for the wins - how cool is that! Fransssswa, my precioussssss.... Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

      Crusader Man - 2011-07-24 09:40

      @franswa yes i support Nz as i live in CHCH NZ... I enjoy reading your articles .. There are some good people on this site. Just a shame that a few negative people make stupid statements.. Am sure some do it just to stir,, Keep up the good comments guys

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:16

      Crusader Man you should become the bok coach. But you would only stand a chance if you are black and an anc member.

      SonOfaPitch - 2011-07-25 10:46

      Hey Cman, I am a Saffa and a Boks supporter but Im very interested in reading some of your local assessments in world rugby. Can you suggest any worth while sites to check out

  • Magmansa - 2011-07-24 01:59

    I'm getting so sick of them referring to this team as "youngsters". The aussie team has way more younger players. How do u explain that Divvy an smitee?? If this "B" team was really about experimenting with youngsters they would have played a game before this test, and given guys like the Eberson twins, Sadie, Gerhard van den Heever, Coenie and Ryno Benjamen a go. Rather than guys that have been given opportunity after opportunity and failed, like Olivier and Jacobs or guys who have never even showed a glimmer of being world class worthy like Ndungane wtf!

  • dave.cohen2 - 2011-07-24 03:48

    Let's forget the fact that twenty one injured players were not there. Even had they been we probably would not have won. We must have the three worst coaches we could have picked. Peter De Villiers is not a coach, plain and simple. He had never coached anyone prior to his appointment!!! Dick Muir was poor as a coach of both the Sharks and Lions with a record of more defeats that wins to prove it. As for Gary Gold, when he coached the Stormers forwards they were always well beaten by other teams' forwards. Get rid of these three incompetents before it is too late!!!!!!!

      Spindoc - 2011-07-24 08:42

      @dave.cohen2...could not have put it better myself...now why is it that only some see what is plain and clear to the rest of us??

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-24 10:30

      100% bud. therein lies our problem. this team shows clearly for the last three years two things; 1) basically no structure in defence and attack - coaching, or the lack therof? 2) that mosty of the previous world cup squad players is too old or is not the right players anymore as the game has EVOLVED - it has become more attacking rugby and much quicker (i.e. lose the following in the starting 15 - smit @ hooker (bismark regarded by sean fritzpatrick as best in the world & chilli on bench - both more mobile), bakkies @ lock (need a more mobile lock that can contribute with ball in hand), schalk burger @ 7 (jean smidt better choice - schalk can not distribute - we need more players that can run ball in hand), steyn @ flyhalf (butch because of experience better choice), jean de villiers @ 12 (de jongh has more flair but dont play him at 13), aplon, great player but to small on defence and on high kicks - was very exposed (rather lambie - he is a potential world class FULLBACK, not a world class flyhalf!). even the aussie props run like backs - our forwards still play rugby of 10 years ago - very few of them can distribute, make correct decisions with ball in hand and can keep up with the pace in attack or defence. Worst worry is that even our set pieces with these big slow forwards are crap!

  • Kieron - 2011-07-24 04:27

    Thanks Nakie the Nar Sa’s clown coach has just provided a great circus in Sidney tonight, all they need is 15 second stringers with big clown boots, and Ronald McDonald as captain, o sorry isn’t J Smith fat boy 15 big macs ahead and 30 sh.. behind. Dum and Dumber

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-24 08:50

      LOL Keiron... I promise to gift PdV a free trim of his bush and Smit a 10 gallon liposuction if the Boks proceed past the quarterfinals. I feel safe enough to promise them both a blow-job if we reach the finals.

  • Riaan - 2011-07-24 05:20

    Pathetic ( Like Daffy could say it ) One question....why wasnt Ruan Pienaar replaced???? Any other scrumhalf would have been and improvement. Worst performance I have ever see him play. If this is what he brings from England, then please go back. One player that was his usual self was " I do not pass Wynand Olivier" I think he passed 2 balls. Nice Wynand, how many gaps did you take? ZERO, yes ZERO.

      Magmansa - 2011-07-24 06:34

      Good point about Ruan not being replaced. Mcleod should of gotten at least 10 or 15 mins, now if Ruan sucks next week are they gonna bring Mcleod on for his first cap against the AB's? How much pressure would that be for the poor guy. Just shows the lack of thinking in our management!!

      pistolpete - 2011-07-24 07:44

      Agree-Wynand had a shocker and shouldn't be there. Johnson only knows how to barge upright at the defense and get tackled backwards. He shouldn't be there either

      Johan - 2011-07-24 08:47

      Agree even Vermaak is better, but what do we know. Olivier plaed the same as he plays for the Bulls,only me and nobody else , he thinks he can play alone in the backline. Why not pick a side and stop by him , they played 12 man rugby.

      Magmansa - 2011-07-24 10:52

      @pistolpete Agree about Wynand, disagree about Johnson. I think in the right pack Johnsons got a bright future. He cant do much tho when other forwards aren't cleaning the rucks over him, he also showed his attacking flair with the cheetahs attacking style this S15, so will do well if we ever get our backline sorted.

      apie - 2011-07-24 11:22

      Riaan waws not the only bad player.What about de Jongh, Aplon, Jacobs and Chilliboy?

  • LACER8 - 2011-07-24 08:51

    A respectable result but our half back combination and centre pairing is poor...Ruan indecisive and Morne' Steyn always on the backfoot...No tactical kicking brought into the game...Ruan even misses touch with his penalty kick...Please dont play Wynand Olivier as he sucks...Forwrads stood their groung but they murdered us in the loose phases...Overall an average performance...At least some positives were Lambies injection to the backline, AD Jacob's distribution and John Smit playing for 80 minutes...We need top work on our basic handling and DEFENCE...Im still optimistic for the World Cup

  • Rugganut - 2011-07-24 10:22

    The way I view this game is as follows; this was a team thrown together that lacked multiple-capped partnership pairings. They had 3 weeks to prepare and did not have the input of Rassie. I was heartened by the fact that we could hold on to the ball through multiple phases. For the All Blacks game, PDiv must play the following in his first 15: Mostert and Hargreaves; Ralapele; Charl and Lambie; Deysel and Danie and maybe try Kanko at 8th man. I would even gamble starting Adie instead of WO (I feel he is a far trickier adversary then WO). At least then we would have players in key positions that have played together. Okay I know it has a Shark feel to it but there is no-one else to select.

  • j.2tha.d88 - 2011-07-24 11:59

    John,Ruan,Morne and Olivier,the guys with the most caps,had the worse game yesterday.Ashley,Basson,Danie,Mvovo and Lambie great game.Even Chiili had a great game and I think his the biggest poeppol in the whole SA team.My WP players-Gio-that had a plan or 2 to against Aussies...They had a few counter attacks then i take it.Juan...good game but not great.He had never really impact in the game and I wont shift the blame because of Morne and Olivier.He was predictable. Snorre,he said he was only going to look at Smit at hooker...then why did you have to put him at prop.I understand due to ingery you had to but then you have to look for better props that are availible and while you looking get a better hooker.I know if John was off their was no one to really captain the side but John,you had the worst game of any one in the team.The second try the Aussies was your fault.Can he remember his 100th cap last year where he was the reason SA lost of his missed tackle. I will support the Springboks always.But get some rigting

  • Gavin - 2011-07-24 12:13

    When push came to shove the much fetted superheros of Currie Cup and S15 rugby vanished, became invisible and were proven out of their depth. Stegman, totally outplayed, again. Flip, nothing but a CC bully. Ashly Johnson? Not World Cup material, clearly. Morne Steyn? good grief, a bad day. Meisiekind and DeJongh? did not make the grade. Aplon? goodness me he can't tackle can he? All in all, our "depth" is quite shallow...

  • StaalBurgher - 2011-07-24 12:55

    Change Lambie for Steyn (we looked much more attaching when Lambie came on), Kankowski for Johnson (Johnson was nowhere), move Rossouw to lock (too slow for 7) and put Deysel at 7, Coenie for CJ (CJ is just nowhere nowadays). Is Brussow out of the NZ game as well? If not replace Stegmann with him. No decent 12 available, bleh. The rest can stay the same as there are no other options in the squad. Why they brought Jantjies I don't know, they should've brought another loose forward. Don't expect a win in NZ no matter what changes you make. All we can hope for is an honourable showing.

  • Yolandi - 2011-07-24 13:23

    What a sad game!!!! but some of the players that are being 'attacked' aren't justified. Firstly yeah steyn is nt the best and lambie should be the run on 10 but the go forward ball was halted by Ruan who took about 3 mins before passing the ball from the ruck, and every time he had to complain to the ref about something!!!! He had a shocker trying these glory passes to slow fat captains, Y was he not benched earlier he was useless and slowed the entire game up every time....

  • Weezychest - 2011-07-25 06:46

    I had people comment against me last week, and i said we had a team with little experiance. Those that said i didnt know what up talking about, there you go. We were out played over and over again.Our tackling remided me of mini rugby. Blame Devilliers for this as he picked a team and now he's making excuses.

  • BlueRaven - 2011-07-25 13:37

    humiliation station.... I seriously hope you can improve. John please hang up your boots?

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