Steyn limits Boks - Le Roux

2011-07-29 17:22

Johannesburg - The decision to deploy Morne Steyn at fullback could limit the Springboks in offensive situations, former Springbok Hennie le Roux said on Friday.

"Playing him at 15 could limit the Springboks as far as their plan of attack is concerned," said Le Roux.

Steyn was moved from flyhalf to the team's last line of defence in a late change made by Springbok coach Peter de Villiers ahead of Saturday's Tri-Nations Test against New Zealand in Wellington.

The responsibility of making the most important on-field decisions would rest on the shoulders of young Patrick Lambie who was set to earn his first starting cap for the national team.

"I find it very difficult to agree with that decision although I'm sure there must be some sort of logic behind it," said Le Roux.

"I've not seen him (Steyn) play at fullback and I'm not sure that he has the skills needed to play in that position as he's not shown those specific skills while playing at 10." Le Roux, who played 15 Tests at centre and 12 at flyhalf, said it could be asking too much of Steyn to slot into a position where he had only played twice for the Bulls, back in 2008.

"To make that adjustment to your game at Test level is extremely difficult and regular fullbacks have a better understanding of the opposing team's methods on attack," he said.

There was, however, the possibility that the two flyhalves could switch places during the match, depending on the team's field position, in which case Steyn was likely to be the pivot when the All Blacks venture deep inside Springbok territory.

Le Roux said, if that were the case, there were also other factors to consider.

"If there is a plan to rotate them during the match there is always the risk that they will lose focus and that could cause confusion as to what their respective roles in the team are."

Looking ahead to this year's World Cup, Le Roux said that, at this stage, he had no favourite to fill the number 10 jersey.

He felt the side's flyhalf should be picked based on the opposition and field conditions on the day.

As for last week's 39-20 defeat to the Wallabies, Le Roux expressed concern about the basic mistakes the Springbok halfback pair made during the match. "I'm not sure whether it was just a lack of communication or instructions from the coaches, but you cannot expect your team to get on the front foot if the flyhalf is more than 15 feet out, as was the case against Australia last week," he said.

"It makes it so easy for the opposition to defend against us."


  • Juggernaut - 2011-07-29 17:40

    So wtf was the captain doing then?

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:05

      I agree.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-29 18:19

      Steyn plays the way that the coaches want him to play. He is not the best fullback in the squad down there, so putting this kind of pressure on him is stupid and unfair. January and Watson/Johnson/Keegan/anybody are in a class above Pienaar and Stegman. With them there, we would have had a glimmer of hope. When will teams be picked on merrit? The sponsors should apply some muscle.

      Benny66 - 2011-07-29 18:40

      Sitting on the sideline contemplating whether he should play hooker, prop or confound the AB's by filling in as full back??

      Annas - 2011-07-29 18:42

      PDV said the springbok jersey doesn't come cheap. How do you choose a guy, that has never played fullback, in that position at the highest level???

      Thomas - 2011-07-29 19:31

      This boy has natural talent but I doubt he can perform miracles!! He has two centres next to him who dont even start for their S15 teams!!!! I would have liked to have seen Doppies and Eberson in the mix. To me you need a trench fighter at scrumhalf (Kockott) not a twinkle toed fancy pants (McLoed) Pienaar a big let down!! Danie should be at lock with Kanko at 8th Deysel and Johnson flanks. At the moment we are too slow at loosie!! If they had brought the Griqua fullback they could have left Basson at home!!!

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 21:47

      The MAIN problem the Bok's are suffering from is "SONNY BILL" PIENAAR.... WTF is he doing in the BOK team? Bring that scrummie from the Sharks in and leave Steyn at No10.... Lambie has proven that he fits into the No15 position without a problem! Thats where he is BRILLIANT! Thank "Dog", APolon has been sent home... alos part of the WEAKEST LINK!!!!! Now if someone can do something about old PLUMPY SMIT..... we stand a chance! BTW...WHY IS CHIILBOY NOT STARTING the game? He made a HUGE difference when he came on against the Aussies...

      JohnyBlue - 2011-07-30 08:30

      @howzitekse... steyn is not even the best flyhalf there...

  • Sir Eidolon - 2011-07-29 17:51

    It makes sense - Steyn stands so far back when he's on flyhalf that it's easy to call the position fullback.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:06

      I agree.

      roboman1 - 2011-07-29 18:47

      clever chirp

  • Bull Terrier - 2011-07-29 17:56

    To all the Bambie fans, I hope for the sake of the Springboks, the fans and the young man's future that he does not get eaten alive, test rugby is not exactly S15 rugby. As for Steyn, I am afraid he is also being made into cannon fodder. He is no fullback and he is definitely not going to regain form as a #15. Hennie le Roux has made the most sense by saying: "flyhalf should be picked based on the opposition and field conditions on the day". Has anybody thought about what the weather conditions are going to be in Sept in NZ? It may be wet? - maybe some Kiwi fans can tell us. If so, it is not exactly weather conditions that is going to favour an attacking flyhalf. Under these conditions you are more likely to want to have an attacking scrumhalf/8th man that can get the forwards going forward through several phases in order to try and set up a forwards try or a back line overlap for the try. When you do this you are going to be ok with a flyhalf standing deep that is continually trying to get the game into the opposition's half of the field. We are talking about WC finals here, not Barbarians rugby, winning comes first as it gives the most bragging rights - looks at the scoreboard.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:05

      I agree.

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-29 18:08

      i am with you bull terrier. every week it gets better (or rather worse). this is sign of a coach not knowing what he is doing. Panick management. - 2011-07-29 19:38

      I love the attitude of South Africans. Bambie? What a ridiculous name. Why label the oke with some crap name? Rather just give him a chance boet. I'm sure the New Zealanders don't label there players before they can see what they can do on the field. Thats the reason they have such confidence. Go take your Bambie somewhere else.

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 21:49

      Hennie only enjoyed palying for the Boks, because he had a "GREAT TIME" in the changerooms...

      Shenkin - 2011-07-30 01:26

      Weather conditions in New Zealand during Sept & Oct :- Higher average rainfall than what we experience down here in the Cape Peninsula in June and July.

      Crusaderinvader - 2011-07-30 01:37

      It could be wet during September and October for sure..if not it will definately be dewy and cold, but we have seen the ABs play well in these conditions before and there's no reason to suggest they won't be able to this season also. Of course, if it's raining cats and dogs then a more conservative game plan will be utilised by all teams. The key is to cover all situations and eventualities that may arise, therefore planning for one particular set of conditions at the expense of all others would be folly!!

  • BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:04

    John Smit, Ruan Pienaar, Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh limits the team even more.

      Benny66 - 2011-07-29 18:41

      Did you purposefully leave out PdV's name??

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:58

      Sorry, that was a mistake..

      On the Verge - 2011-07-29 21:43

      I disagree. Play Pienaar at 15 - he has the boot and the attacking flair, and he's better when he has more time on the ball - defensively I'm not so sure, but he can't be worse than Steyn, and had played at 15 for a lot of his career. The The Lambie/Mcloed combo can dazzle, and get the backline playing. I think De Jongh at inside centre, with Lambie at 10 could be very testing of the AB's defense - instead of the Wynand Oliveir crash tackle. Gio Aplon is an extremely exciting player, and defends like someone twice his size - but I'd rather have him on the wing. As far as the captain goes - I think enough has been said, but I'd rather play Straaus than Chilliboy.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-29 21:56

      Oh, and I forgot to say I wish Juan was back in the RSA and playing for WP right now! It must be terrible for a good player like him to play in a team loaded with Bull players who KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RUGBY! And, of course, on top of it there is one useless Shark player in the team as well; plus an ex-Sharkie from overseas (Pienaar).

      steam_engine - 2011-07-29 22:38

      I disagree about Juan de Jongh & Aplon!!! Juan is good player good on defence, fascinating attacking display can break any defence line. he showed in S15 when given opportunity that he deserves to be there, but had he play for another team JF & JDV would have been underpressure. With Aplon, ooh!! dangerous on attack plays,defend better than other bigger players.

      ouboet - 2011-07-30 00:19

      aplon and de jongh only ones that can tackle Morne steyn looks like a young Naas Botha out there when it comes to defense and Wynand Olivier is giong to hit the gap one of these days

  • Frans Smith - 2011-07-29 18:07

    Steyn stands deep to KICK. That was the gameplan 2007 and now and PDV has added no value since then. The game has evolved. If you tried the same gameplan as in 1995, you will also falter. Bok rugby has not "moved on"! - 2011-07-29 19:40

      Agreed, seems there is no strategy at all. Bok strategy: Lets get out there and see what happens. All they are doing is reacting.

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 21:50

      Two things you see from Space... the Great Wall of China.... and the BOK GAME PLAN!!!!

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-29 22:01

      He also stood there when he played for the Bulls in the Super15. Don't blame his pathetic form of the past season on Div - there are enough legitimate things that you can blame Div for! Like picking Steyn in the first place, seeing his lack of form.

  • Johann - 2011-07-29 18:13

    The common sense thing to do is to play the specialist Morne or drop him to the bench, but not fullback .............. NO, NO !!! Lamby belongs there. Now PdeV has weakened the team even further, it's the most rediculous experiment do attempt in any test match, let alone against the All Blacks, he is losing it I'm sure.

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-29 19:01

      like i have said, a coach not knowing what he is doing and panicking.

  • Samurai Demo - 2011-07-29 18:14

    TRUE, MIGHT AS WELL PLAY JOHN SMIT AT 15. why is lady jacobs in the mix? surely theres better fit centres in the country, even if inexperienced-as this is the theme of the tour. go lambie jou doering!

  • Barry Edwards - 2011-07-29 18:31

    Well at least if things go wrong early...we dont have to substitiute !! Just swop positions. Actually it is not a bad way to test Lambie out at number 10.

      Barry Edwards - 2011-07-29 18:33

      Or to test Steyn out at number 15

  • umhlopo - 2011-07-29 18:33

    what attack

  • Benny66 - 2011-07-29 18:36

    Is there any truth in the rumour that PdV has redefined his role and is now player/manager and will be on the bench in case Steyn fails at fullback?

  • Martin - 2011-07-29 18:37

    With what we have down there I would have picked the Sharks combo of Charl and Lambie at 9/10 and Pienaar at 15. Not the best but makes a wee bit better sense.

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 21:52

      "Sonny Bill" PIENAAR only needs to play for MUNSTER..... NO ONE ELSE!!!!!!

  • darkwing - 2011-07-29 18:50

    It's all Amy Winehouse's fault. 'They said they must go for rehab and Div said, yes, yes, yes'

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 18:59

      Jirre bru ek soek van jou twak

  • Ulrich - 2011-07-29 19:06

    Even with the game plan in 2007 being based on a strong defense and kicking pattern, there is no comparison to how Steyn plays (positionally) and how Butch played then in 2007 (or even now). Butch stands considerably closer and could spark a backline and kick very well territorially - go look at the 2007 games and see for yourself. He did not kick as well as Percy for points though. I think we should pick the following 30 players for the 2015 world cup and have them on as many training camps together as possible. The following two teams can be made from the 30 players and could have regular games against one another. 1. Wian du Preez 2. Bismarck 3. Mujati 4. Rynhardt Elstadt 5. Bekker 6. F. Louw 7. A. Johnson 8. Alberts 9. Hougaard 10. Lambie 11. Bjorn Basson 12. F. Steyn 13. M. Killian (To my knowledge this hasn't been tried yet, I certainly would) 14. J.P Pietersen 15. Louis Ludik Vs 1. Coenie Oosthuizen 2. Chilliboy Rallepelle 3. Werner Kruger 4. Flip vd Merwe 5. Allistair Hargreaves 6. Heinrich Brussouw 7. Duane Vermeulen 8. Ryan Kankowski 9. Sarel Pretorius 10. Elton Jantjies 11. Vulindlu 12. Andries Strauss 13. Juan de Jongh 14. Mvovo 15. Aplon - 2011-07-29 19:41

      Why don't you apply for the coaching job boet?

      Ulrich - 2011-07-29 19:57

      The intention is building a young squad. I do not want to be coach. Those are good players. Should they be put in a team that plays and builds experience they will be a force to reckon with come 2015.

      BiggestBull - 2011-07-29 20:26

      Why be sarcastic At least the guy is making a valuable contribution to this boring site.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-29 22:13

      you will have to push Bekker's wheel chair onto the field and off again at the end of the game, because he is injured and not available for RWC2011. But, having had a closer look at the rest of those names, I now realise that you are only making a joke! You almost caught me there, thinking you were serious! Lyk my jy praat sommer bietjie k-k met die ander diere, nes apie toe hy hulle vertel het hy gaan koning leeu se vrou vry.

      Alan - 2011-07-29 23:02

      I like your suggestions but I have to say the more pressing matter is RWC2011 and for that this is my team, bench and squad: 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Guthro 4. Matfield 5. Bakkies - I almost went for Flippie but he is better off the bench. 6. Brussouw 7. Juan Smith 8. The Incredible Skalk 9. F. Du Preez 10. Ruan Pienaar - it is time he realises he is really a 10 but not kicking at goals though. 11. G.Van Den Heever 12. Frans Steyn 13. J. Fourie 14. JP Pieterson - how good is it to see him on form again :-) 15. Lambie Bench: D.Greyling, J. Smit, Chilli Ralapela, Flip V/D Merwe, Danie Rousouw, Johan Sadie, Frans Hougaard. Remaing 8 squad members: J.De Villiers, Habana, C.McCloed, P.Spies, with Bekker injured R.Elstadt comes in (and adds some fire to the scrums), Butch James, F.Louw and well J.DuPlessis - the prop cupboard is bare so he will have to do - I was thinking of Gio Aplon as back-up prop but Jannie just pipped him to it.

      Ulrich - 2011-07-30 00:21

      Alan, not a bad team you have there. The more pressing matter is RWC 2011, you are right, but I fear that we might have a team that is just ever so slightly too old collectively to compete with the pace of the game today. There are a number of other players that I left out of the super-young-look-to-the-future squad like G. vd Heever, Deyzel, Josh Strauss etc. If you looked at the first lineup I put out there you will notice the locks are from the same province which I think is important. The rest is, for the most part the RWC 2007 team if you look at the provinces the players come from respectively with the exception of a few.

      ouboet - 2011-07-30 00:22

      you and pdv smoking the same dope?

      Dylan Swanepoel - 2011-07-30 08:15

      In New Zealand you need to have a strong kicker in the team, but you right looking to the future wont hurt. Steyn at fullback and adi Jacobs is useless, he will miss tackles all night! As much as I dont Like Olivier he would be at least better than this! Would like to see Hougaard at 9 though for todays game at least Pienaar puts us on the back foot..

  • Drewka - 2011-07-29 19:08

    Ag go find a penny .... Hennie and go buy yourself something sweet to get that sour taste out of your mouth. I personally wouldn't play Steyn at fullback either, but he is the most constant flyhalf that we've got. Don't criticise a player that when on form could play 10 times better than you ever did old timer. The Lambie move is good and Steyn just needs to regain his form for the WC.

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 22:09

      Funny thing is Henni was part of the 1995 team... but DID NOT PLAY in the FINAL... now he has a HUGE BIG MOUTH, and is SO CLUED up on Rugby... when he is just interested in BUTT!

  • Michael - 2011-07-29 19:24

    I find it disturbing. Partly by the way the Springboks are playing and partly because all of a sudden it has become a trend for former Springboks to trash the team and target individuals. Look, I'm excusing the performances, what I'm saying is, it's very easy to talk but each game, each tour is starkly different from the previous one. It doesn't bode well for their reputation. We don't hear Francois Pienaar trashing the team, we don't hear Nelson Mandela trashing the team. We don't hear Joel Stransky trashing the okes. So what gives?! Just let De Villiers and his staff get on with it. Eventually given enough rope... Men of calibre and greatness never embark in petty remarks. I know its frustrating and infuriating at times...but we never see Zidane, Roberto Carlos, Luis Figo trashing their teams of current players. Just let them get on with it.

      nobloodyidea - 2011-07-29 20:33

      Blind support, i don't think so. It is bad enough for the Springbok management team and captain to be blind, now you expect the supporters to turn a blind eye towards their substandard play. Supporters pay their ridiculous salaries so go for it boys give them stick, since this is the only mouthpiece supporters have to air their frustrations!

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-29 22:24

      As a rule I also do not like ex-Springboks jumping onto the bandwagon to criticise present Springboks. 'It's just not done'. On the other hand, these men played hard to upheld the dignity and glory of the jersey, which is now being trampled into the dust. Perhaps they should work harder behind the screens to rectify what is wrong and not wash dirty linen in public. Then again, what do you do if your voice is disregarded there?

  • Frans Smith - 2011-07-29 19:25

    it is obvious that the coach does not know his ar!@# from his elbow: 1 x week he picks a kicking flyhalf and we play old style 2007 WC rugby. The next week he picks a provincial running flyhalf (because i dont believe he is a flyhalf - he is a fullback). I really hope things go well, but i think to play Lambie against the AB'S at 10 is not just stupid, but crazy. That in itself tells me PDV has no game plan - he is grasping at straws. By now the idiot should have had an idea of who he wants to play in that key position, he should have picked players that can compliment that player, that can play in a combination with him (scrumhalf and centres). He should have had a set pattern (gameplan) that has been practised over and over and over in international games like the AB'S and AUSSIES - a pattern that each player instinctively knows because it has been practised over an over. Tell me we are anywhere near in respect of preparation like the two other WC contenders (aussies and ab's). If he is not sure about Steyn, he should have had an experienced flyhalf there - Butch and Grant comes to mind.

  • BardofAvon - 2011-07-29 19:42

    And I thought the US debt saga was a mess.

  • epherb - 2011-07-29 21:04


  • Karumba - 2011-07-29 21:19

    Hello "Panic" Pieter De Villiers! Die All Blacks gaan die bokke hard moer in Kiwi Land ! Think you and the rest of the coach squad need a bit of a wake up call, as the definition of a Rugby test against any other team means you play the bestman in the position ! Where the hell is the bokke and not the 2ndteam you have taken on tour! Kyk boet Pieter, as jy nie kan select nie, staan op take all your tjommies say goodbye to the bokke and move on! There is still time to get the right coach and support network in place prior to the world cup! You remind me a lot of an under 11 school coach that hopes to give all the kids a go to play for a 10 or 15 minutes! I am sure that with the talent not selected in South Africa we can get a team together, give them to Jake for a month and they will moer your bok team as a warm up prior to the world cup ! Wakker word bra -Div the All Blacks, Wallabies Samoa, French team, en Irish gaan julle hard moer You are killing our National sport, even biltong and beer has a bad taste in my mouth when I watch the bokke getting flogged with a second best team selected. Hope your manne has lifted their spirit and ask the water oom to stay behind the bokke try line as he is going to help re-motivate the bokke against the All Blacks ! My score 65 -12 in favour of the mighty All Blacks ! Hope you have another sleepless flight back to the mother country after yet again a failed tri nations ! Pasop Samoa is ready to rock and roll!

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 22:11

      72-9..... NZ

      Creeky - 2011-07-29 22:11

      AND they will be LUCKY to get that 9....

  • almosthuman - 2011-07-29 22:00

    This has got to be a save face move...Steyn the last line of defense against the All Blacks backs,you have got to be kidding me,he really is untested and what could possibly be a good reason for this-it is hardly going to build his confidence....The guy has NEVER been a good tackler,every time the all blacks chip over our backs or break the defensive line,our players are going to be thinking...oh f%*k ! there is no way they will have confidence in his defensive abilities........surely a poor move again by the selectors ?

  • Jack - 2011-07-29 22:16

    Why isn't Pienaar copping flak for last week? It's all just Steyn. Pienaar should never have been a Bok. Only got there because of his dad!

      JohnyBlue - 2011-07-30 08:43


  • StBad - 2011-07-29 23:40

    He's hardly a limitation to the plan of attack if there isn't one really...

  • Pierre - 2011-07-30 01:48

    Agree 100% with Le Roux. Bring Ruan Pienaar and Morne Steyn into the Stomers and play them in position at 9 and 10.

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  • JohnyBlue - 2011-07-30 08:41

    Fans of Steyn - and I was never one of them - used to say "he kicks better than everyone else, he has the best hand off of any flyhalf in SA, his tackling is top class and he gets the backline away"; well boo hoo Lambie matches him when it comes to kicking ability (recently), when last did he do a line break, he misses more tackle(s)n than a pro fisherman and he has never been in Lambies class when it comes to getting the backline going PLUS he is boring, one dimensional, can not think on his feet (needs to be told what to do) and worst of all he has been groomed at a union where cheating and bullying is seen as best practise.

  • elactric - 2011-07-30 09:19

    The best way to improve a flyhalves defence is to play him at fb. I agree we will loose today, but WC here we come. Go PdV go. In 3 months these critics will eat out of your hand.

  • Jan - 2011-08-02 00:32

    @Creeky, jy se Hennie was nie in die 1995 Final nie, kry jou feite reg, my ou, Hennie en Japie Mulder was die senters op die dag.

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