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Reality bites for Boks

2010-08-23 08:41

Gavin Rich - SuperSport

Johannesburg - Frans Steyn’s return to the group and Jaque Fourie’s comeback from suspension will mean the Springboks are in a position to choose their strongest starting team of the season in Saturday’s Tri-Nations clash with Australia in Pretoria.

GALLERY: Springboks v All Blacks

Steyn is due to link up with the Boks on Monday after being summoned from France following a bizarre sequence of mis-communications between the Bok management and Steyn and his club, Racing Metro. Whether he will be selected straight into the starting team remains to be seen as Gio Aplon played bravely against New Zealand, but there can be no doubt his booming boot will come in useful in the thin Highveld air.

You had to be at the FNB Stadium for the epic clash between the Boks and the All Blacks at the weekend to be reminded of the impact the altitude has on kicking. The ball just flies so much further and higher than on the coast, and until the second half, it looked as though the All Blacks might be getting it horribly wrong by running it back against the Boks rather than kicking it.

However, the New Zealanders, even though by their own admission they were off their game, showed the necessary fortitude and championship qualities to fight back for a well deserved 29-22 win which emphatically clinched them the Tri-Nations in fine style and ended any argument over which team is the best in the world.

After the away leg of the Tri-Nations there was a sense from the Boks that maybe they had just been complacent. Some of the talk coming from the camp suggested that just a few small things had gone wrong in Australasia and that all it would require was a minor correction.

They did correct several areas where they had fallen down before, most notably their defence and their breakdown work. Their bravery and passion extending the All Blacks to the extent that they had to wait for the last move of the game to score the winning try that for much of the second half had looked inevitable.

But whereas their coach Peter de Villiers afterwards came up with the comment that his team had shown that they could win against any opponent anywhere on a given day, the Boks had to swallow a harsh dose of reality – on a day when all the external factors were in their favour, they still lost.

Not only that, but had the All Blacks made better use of their second half opportunities, and had Dan Carter not gone walkabout with his place-kicking, the New Zealanders would have won far more comfortably than they did.

Brave and gutsy though the Boks were, Richie McCaw’s men were still better than them by some distance, and this on a day when they had to face down not just the passionate Boks but a record 94 000 passionate Bok supporters. That they still won, and came from behind to do so, just confirmed the All Black dominance at international level this year.

While some experienced players are coming back into the mix, and Juan Smith showed in the game just how much he has been missed, the Boks have some important questions to answer and a couple of thorny dilemmas facing them.

All Black coach Graham Henry touched on one of the biggest Bok problems when afterwards he praised his own conditioning staff. So much for the All Blacks’ high tempo game being undone by the altitude, it was the Boks who were left gasping for air and looking flat-footed at the end.

You got the impression late in the game that had there been an extra 10 minutes, the All Blacks might have run riot and won by 20 points. From the vantage point of the press box at the magnificent stadium, it was obvious from about 25 minutes from the end that several of the key Springboks were out on their feet and that the team was just hanging on.

That they did so right to the end was a tribute to guts and tenacity, but the way the game ended just confirmed the old saying that sometimes guts and tenacity just aren’t enough. In some ways it was like a return to the dark days of the early part of this decade, with passion driving the Boks to a certain point but no further and South Africans grabbing some consolation in honourable defeat.

The Bok inability to be cohesive with ball in hand, their failure to stay the pace, the lack of any noticeable innovative edge from the coaching staff since the away leg were all disturbing and ominous signals that the time has come to now face up to reality and make some hard decisions.

Far from being proof that the Boks can beat any team, anywhere on any day, Saturday proved that the Boks are vulnerable and have been over-taken by the game's leaders. This in a season where South Africa so comprehensively dominated the Super 14 that many New Zealanders were fearing the worst.

Australia have not won on the Highveld since 1963 so the Boks must be favoured to win the last two matches, but the Wallabies should have been emboldened by the way the South Africans fell away in the second half at the FNB Stadium.

With Quade Cooper back, they have the ability to stretch the Boks in the same way that the All Blacks did, and the harsh reality for the Boks is that even if their coaches decided they wanted to play the quicker game, the make-up of their current squad does not suggest they have the players to do it.

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Comments
  • IZ IT - 2010-08-23 08:57

    fsteyn,jp,fourie,dejong,aplon,msteyn.hougaard,juan8,schalk,potgieter,flip,matfield,jannie,bismaark,beast.bench:louw,spies,danie,john smit,gurthro,jdevilliers,habana,vermaak. thisis vs aossies on sat.keep smit on bench for experience,make juan smith cpt as bekker must replace matfield on return.new era for wc.beast more mobile than gs.msteyn must step up against worlds best fh on sat!!

  • Terry - 2010-08-23 09:01

    Why do we wont a booming boot should we not keep pocession through the phases.

  • Emile - 2010-08-23 09:02

    Yes, I short: The Springbok Team is poorly coached. End of story. 21 great players (January doesn't count) don't just become useless and mindless within 5 weeks. It takes a really screwed up coach and coaching team to do it.

  • GoawayDIV - 2010-08-23 09:05

    DIV please leave SA rugby before you totally destroy our reputation and team, cuz if you continue we wil end up in a tri nations with Japan and Fiji.

  • Webb - 2010-08-23 09:08

    Quite rightly said - the boks were down and out in the last 20 minutes. Surely it is up to the coaching staff to sort out players conditioning? Another idiotic round of substitutions (fatso January on for Hougaard who was playing the game of his life) - and then leave puffing and heaving tubby Smit on the field to gift the AB the match through a missed tackle. Again inept coaching decisions. The writer is absolutely correct - if we loose with everything in our favour we have slipped far behind the ABs, but then again Pivvy is on another planet and devoid of all reality to think differently. We reap what we sow by appointing this clown at the helm!

  • BladeRunner - 2010-08-23 09:15

    Well this test showed us something very important: most of the players played out of their skins, and had a really good game - but they were not fit, and more importantly, NOT WELL COACHED! This is plain to see. Now, what to do? Well, nothing will happen to the staff, just more will be brought in, probably adding nothing. But hey, at least we have a non-white coach, that should win us the WC!

  • Gavin - 2010-08-23 09:17

    Dude, why don't you do us all a favour and go and live in new zealand.

  • tokkie - 2010-08-23 09:21

    Boks can still win if the CLOWN stops with silly substitutes. U substitute a player not performing, NOT the best on the field like he did with Juan and Hougaard. That is just plain doff man !!!!

  • Disappointed - 2010-08-23 09:21

    It was very disappointing to watch a Bok-side with several World Cup winners, Tri-Nations winners, SP 14 winners, etc. give up a game like that in the last 2 minutes. A year or two ago we would not have lost a game like that. A few players should be replaced - Bryan Habana is the first. Despite being a big Habana fan, he needs to get his head right. It is quite clear he is not in a good place psychologically; he also struggled with form in the SP 14. Drop him, get his head right and give another (hungrier) youngster a go. We're gonna need him in the WC, but we're going to need him to be in 2007-like form. Pierre Spies is another one who should be dropped. He has great attributes - pace, power, etc. Unfortunately we don't see it often enough. He disappears in big games. When did Pierre have a consistent run of good test matches? The dimunitive Gio Aplon tackles better than he does! Duane Vermeulen should have been in the squad - now we are struggling (once more) at 8. Johm Smit should do the honourable thing and retire after the Tri-Nations. He has been a great servant of SA rugby, but he is in danger of playing beyond his prime (he already is). So please John, retire now; we need Bismarck back. I'm not even going to say anythig about Ricky Januarie - I think we all know (coaching staff included) that he is just not good or fit enough. Francois Hougaard just proved that we don't need Ricky's fat ass. But there are fortunately many exciting youngsters coming through, so all is not lost. The likes of Francois Hougaard, Flip v/d Merwe, Gio Aplon, Juan de Jongh, Francois Louw, etc. should provide us with plenty of hope.

  • Spartan - 2010-08-23 09:25

    PdV must go, Hoskins might support him & they are right that the IRB has an axe to grind with the Boks, of that there is no doubt, but this is not the only reason why we are where we are. The Bok management is largely responsible for our recent performance, the ill discipline (Bakkies in particular), poor substitutions, poor selection, fitness levels, personal spats with players (Frans Steyn), incredibly inept PR, & last but not least, the poor manner in which SARU has handled inequitable citings & the IRB's meddling in officiation of our games. Things are bad enough for SA playing in the Sanzar "partnership", why our teams management insists on making it even worse, is hard to comprehend.

  • PietSkiet - 2010-08-23 09:29

    With Steyn and Fourie coming back Aplon must move to 11 and De Jongh to 12. There is no place in the side for Bryan and Jean anymore. They are costing us games week in and week out trying to intercept because they are to scared to tackle.

  • Shawn - 2010-08-23 09:41

    Jakes winning team has worn out, nows the time for Div to show his steel but it looks like his steel has been stolen. He looks a little lost

  • Dead Mac - 2010-08-23 09:41

    no more comments - all falling on deaf or won't hear ears that can't relay what they hear to the brain. Will be watching anything but springbok's excuse for rugby until there are dramatic changes all round. The sprinbok is wounded someone please put it out of it's misery

  • Weepee - 2010-08-23 09:43

    It has been a comedy of errors from the start of this TN. Many in the know said this TN would be a watershed for the coaching staff. We are tactically out of our depth and therein lies the problem. Bismark showed in the WP game he was ready to play test rugby and should have been selected even if off the bench. It must be said that nobody on the planet can beat the AB's at the moment. They are very good. I see more of the same against OZ. The conditioning of the players is bad and it is impossible to change that in a week. Lets see if they go in with a fetcher next week or are they going to leave Pocock to rum amok.

  • Jack - 2010-08-23 09:44

    I guess everyone will want PdV's head for this. But don't forget his assistants - Gary (who?) Gold, and the biggest waster of all, Dick Muir (who should never have been a Bok, let alone a coach). The fact that a guy like Gert Smal is training the Irish forwards is a scandal. The lack of conditioning of the Boks (surely a very basic element of coaching) just shows what a bunch of nincompoops these guys are.

  • Mark Edwards - 2010-08-23 09:55

    De Jongh was my light at the end of the tunnel. Proof that players should be picked on performance rather than experience. Now for Pat Lambie! A gutsy performance by the Bokke.

  • Blou Jan - 2010-08-23 09:56

    Piet Skiet I agree 100% with you that will be our strongest side and very close to the side winning the world cup next year

  • THE VOICE - 2010-08-23 09:56

    Yes ... this report reflects by far the most ACCURATE SUMMURY of what happened on Saturday in SOWETO ... and what the "forward pointers" or consequences are for BOK rugby. Make no mistake ... OUR COACHING STAFF SHOULD ABSOLUTELY AND COMPREHENSIVELY TAKE THE BLAME FOR THE CURRENT INABILITY OF THE BOKS!! Really ... the buck stops with P Divvie, Dick Muir and Gary Gold ... i shudder to think what will eventually happens if we are beaten by the WALLABIES on Saturday ... grief ... i cannot believe that a BOK TEAM consisting players from the majority of this year's SUPER 14 FINAL TEAMS have fallen SO FAR and SO DEEP in a matter of THREE MONTHS ... Please explain P DIVVIE, MUIR and GOLD ... please explain to us!!!!!

  • antoninchina - 2010-08-23 10:06

    Can someone PLEASE start a campaign to get fat mamma bear John Smith and actress Habana to resign !!!!!!!!!!

  • kudobok - 2010-08-23 10:09

    which ever coach was responsible for bringing off francois hougaard who should have got man of the match is responsible for the loss against the all blacks...as soon as franois hougaard came off the boks looked blunt and deservedly lost the game...I CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF ME UNDERSTAND WHY HOUGAARD CAME OFF, HE WAS STILL RUNNING WELL MAKING GOOD TACKLES BUT THEN THE COACH BRINGS HIM OFF??? WHY? thatg is the problem with PDV he makes the most rediculous substitutions towards the end and it always costs him much does he never learn?

  • Marius - 2010-08-23 10:10

    @ IZ IT: Spot on!!

  • Fat Cat - 2010-08-23 10:13

    Fat cats rule!!! What's this sh#t about winning. We participate and still get paid.

  • Werner - 2010-08-23 10:15

    We need relacements for John Smith, Habana, Jean de Villiers and Matfield. These guys have served us well, but they are past their prime. It simply makes no sense to keep them for next years world cup. The AB game plan is simple - Play wide and tire these old legs. If the boks can't dominate in a 20m radius around the scrums then they will loose their games. A kicking game plan doesn't work if you're outplayed in the backline time and time again. Turnover ball is the proof in the pudding. Say no more.

  • Rudi @ Tokkie - 2010-08-23 10:16

    Yes Tokkie, Only a clown substitudes the three best players on the field at a criticle time in Saturday`s test. Du Plessis, Juan en Hougard. Another outstanding factor on Saturday ----- The Springbok`s are`nt 80 minutes + an exstra few minutes fit.

  • Oubaassehonne - 2010-08-23 10:21

    Its not enough to say that a number of Bok players seemed tired so early on. NAME THEM. One spring to mind: JOHN SMIT !!! Despite him costing us the game, he doesn't belong on the field. Nonu did not run around him, but through his pathetic attempt of a tackle. Yes, he did do one thing correct on Saturday and that was acknowledging the fact that he costed us the game. Currently he is also the third best hooker, only at the Sharks, behind Craig Burden and Bismarck. Not to mention other hookers like Gary Botha, Tiaan Liebenberg and about 3 others. Now compare him with Mcaw who leads by example. So, only at captain we already have a massive disadvantage. Being a nice and good guy is unfortunately not enough anymore. Also, who is our fitness coach ?? The All Black players played just as many games as SA players did the last few years. So, this is not an excuse. There is no space for passengers on international level. PLEASE PDV, open your eyes for SA rugby's sake.

  • Malcolm - 2010-08-23 10:29

    If Smit doesn't retire now, we have a real dilemma - do we call him 'The Passenger' or 'The Liability'?

  • Did anyone notice - 2010-08-23 10:30

    how fat Ricky Januarie looks again. I am suprised there was room for him on the bench with that large toilet seat of his.

  • dd - 2010-08-23 10:30

    i actually started shouting for the AA to win after they took off Hougaard and Juan Smith, what a stupid uncalled for move, The coaches are breaking our bokke spirit, the players cannot be blamed for loosing when our coaches are making uneducated decisions. Div and Co YOU SUCK

  • Suikerbossie - 2010-08-23 10:35

    The Boks are still using last year's play-book, probably because some dumb coaching member said: It worked last year, it'll work this year. Unfortunately the ABs have worked it out and found a way to beat it. The team strategies on Saturday seemed to be: Boks--bang it up the middle. ABs-- swing it wide with 2 extra players in the backline for the overlap. We got found out for pace and fitness. And if you think Habana, Matfield and Jean de Villers are a yard slower this season (which they are) they'll be two yards slower next season. Our priority from this moment must be the world cup. So every game between now and then must focus on bringing new, younger, fitter, smarter players in and get them used to top level rugby. The Australians would kill for the Shark's Lambie, but our verkramp thinking is: we'll look at him in three year's time. Same with the Bull's van der Heever. As far as the old warhorses like Matfield, Habana,Jean de Villiers, Danie Roussouw etc...let's say Goodbye guys, and thanks for everything. Lastly, let's look at the coaching staff. They seem unable to adapt to changing conditions. They have a plan and they stick to it, even if it's not working. The definition of madness is: repeating the same action over and over while expecting a different result. And can we please PLEASE teach the players how to catch a high ball: your hands must be at eye level or higher, so that they are in the same visual frame as the ball. Try it....you'll like it.

  • Cire - 2010-08-23 10:35

    Pity neither PDV nor Smit could be more gracious in defeat and acknowlege that they were beaten by a magnificent rugby team. McCaw, not being as childish as either of them, was much more gracious. What an adimrable side the All Blacks are!

  • Suikerbossie - 2010-08-23 10:36

    The Boks are still using last year's play-book, probably because some dumb coaching member said: It worked last year, it'll work this year. Unfortunately the ABs have worked it out and found a way to beat it. The team strategies on Saturday seemed to be: Boks--bang it up the middle. ABs-- swing it wide with 2 extra players in the backline for the overlap. We got found out for pace and fitness. And if you think Habana, Matfield and Jean de Villers are a yard slower this season (which they are) they'll be two yards slower next season. Our priority from this moment must be the world cup. So every game between now and then must focus on bringing new, younger, fitter, smarter players in and get them used to top level rugby. The Australians would kill for the Shark's Lambie, but our verkramp thinking is: we'll look at him in three year's time. Same with the Bull's van der Heever. As far as the old warhorses like Matfield, Habana,Jean de Villiers, Danie Roussouw etc...let's say Goodbye guys, and thanks for everything. Lastly, let's look at the coaching staff. They seem unable to adapt to changing conditions. They have a plan and they stick to it, even if it's not working. The definition of madness is: repeating the same action over and over while expecting a different result. And can we please PLEASE teach the players how to catch a high ball: your hands must be at eye level or higher, so that they are in the same visual frame as the ball. Try it....you'll like it.

  • Chuck - 2010-08-23 10:39

    I have a lot of respect for John Smit and what he has accomplished, but we can no longer keep him in the team for his captaincy alone. He is not contributing. There was a lot of positive things in this match, we scrummed well and the return of Juan Smith was MASSIVE, this man is truelly world class. My bok side: 1.Guthro 2.Bismarck 3.Jannie 4.Victor 5.Flip vd Merwe 6.Schalk 7.Juan(Captain) 8.Danie 9.Hougaard 10.Morne 11.Gio 12.De Jongh 13.Fourie 14.JP 15.Frans Steyn. I would love to see Vermeulen at 8, but it seems he is destined to become one of the best SA players never to play test rugby. If PdV is to stay at the helm, give him the right staff, get Allister Coetzee from WP as he knows how to win a WC(did it with Jake) and Rassie Erasmus(we need someone who is capable of thinking out of the box)

  • Wynand - 2010-08-23 10:41

    Lets be real. The All Blacks score a try from a forward pass. Conrad Smit get away with a head butt without being sited. Richy Macaw get away with hitting an opponent. So it carry on. How can you beat a team that cleary has the officials favouring them. The Boks were robbed and still does our expert favour the All Blacks

  • bloubulblog - 2010-08-23 10:41

    just to clarify one point, hougaard asked to be substituted as he was not 100% at that stage. For confirmation of this check out the video interview with him on bloubulblog.co.za p divvy needs to own up for his poor management, it will cost us dearly next year

  • Pamo - 2010-08-23 10:45

    Whats wrong with PDV to take out Juan and Hougaard,just to realise what s#@$%t he was doing and look at our "ou soldaat"Mr 100. Hear the coach "NO Mr Smith dont take it to personally"what for an excuse!!!?

  • Clint Henry - 2010-08-23 10:49

    Juan de Jongh Should've been MAN OF THE MATCH.Brian Habana missed judged the ball and it cost us that's for sure.No guts no Glory and when it works everyone praises him anyways it did not work.The Boks did well to contain the All Blacks which at this moment in time is the best in the World....Cry all you want it not going to change the fact that the All Blacks is AWESOME....Bokke we will support you in losing aswell Why cause you taking on the best in the world and you are right there on top.......Needles to say our other sporting codes....Stop going on like babies and take it on the chin .......Rather look at the selectors how in heavens name did Juan de Jongh not win man of the match PLEASE MAN you white's cry at least we have a non white coach bugger off you still running things in the Rugby anyways if we won what the hell were you going to CRY about it was a close game anyways and AGAINST THE ALL BLACKS stop being racist man non coloured players needs to be included and the racio is un-balanced but its OK cause we need our best players....Go get any coach the All black will rape you at this moment cause they great ....

  • Dgs - 2010-08-23 10:53

    PdV, If you tell your flyhalf and scrumhalf to keep kicking possession away, even the Wallabies are going to beat us. You better change your game plan/tactics very quickly.

  • stefmeister - 2010-08-23 10:58

    One player that doesn't deserve a spot anymore is Morne Steyn. Apart from his excellent goal kicking he is pretty much absent. He doesn't attack and function too well under pressure AND doesn't bring much of his own to the plate. Hence Butch James is on the bench. But does he deserve to be there either? He costs a lot penalties? So my next question. Why not give Peter Grant a chance? His goal kicking accuracy was even better than Steyn's during S14. Other that obviously needs reconsideration is: Januarie; Spies; Matfield; Smit; Chilliboy; Olivier; Aplon(at fullback, play him at wing) and Habana.

  • gabba - 2010-08-23 11:14

    Julle supporters darem....In die een asem sê julle hoe uit op ons voete was die Bokke, maar julle moan oor Juan, Jannie en Hougaardt afgehaal is. Dink 'n bietjie.....al 3 was beseer voor sat se toets en HULLE was uit op hul voete al in die 60 ste minuut. Dis nie die coach se skuld as een speler nie 'n doodgewone tackle kan uitvoer in die 80 ste minuut nie.

  • Dean - 2010-08-23 11:21

    Now i am convinced, our boys are part of the private sector strike. I cant figure it, we won the super 14 and the tri nations tour yet we cant even win one game now.

  • Benny - 2010-08-23 11:40

    Hi guys, I don't want to nit pick but please get it right. To LOSE (verloor) means not to win like in Springboks in current form. Whereas LOOSE (los)means not tight like in loose clothing. Another way to put it: If Saru would cut LOOSE PdV from his contract perhaps the Boks would not LOSE another match this year?

  • RICARDO - 2010-08-23 11:50

    THE TIME HAS COME FOR PDV AND HIS COACHING STAFF TO DO THE HONORABLE THING AND STEP DOWN. THERE ARE BETTER COACHES THEN THESE FOOLS. I MEAN GARY GOLD-WHAT CREDENTIALS DOES HE HAVE, DICK MUIR AG COME ON HE CAN'T EVEN COACH THE LIONS INTO A PROPER TEAM, JOHN MITCHELL IS DOING A BETTER JOB AND THEN THERE IS SNORRE-WHAT A JOKE THIS MAN IS AND HE IS MAKING A JOKE OF OUR TEAM. IF THE POWERS THAT BE WANTS AN AFFIRMATIVE ACTION COACH AND THAT BY THE WAY IS ALL THAT PDV IS AND PEOPLE CAN DIFFER FROM ME, THEN LOOK AT ALISTAIRE COETZEE OF PROVINCE THERE STILL IS ALSO H MEYER OF THE BULLS. LASTLY PLEASE BRIAN HABANA NOW IS THE TIME FOR U TO GO OVERSEAS AND GET A FEW BUCKS YOUR TIME IN THE BOK TEAM ARE SADLY OVER. OH BEFORE THIS BECOMES A RACE ISSUE I AM COLOURED.

  • rob - 2010-08-23 12:07

    Oh no!! Is that ANC aligned fool with the big moustache still the coach?? I would have thought he's back in Paarl now. DAMN!!!!

  • BLOU BUL - 2010-08-23 12:09

    @clint, you drink to much of papsak boet, its “ratio” and not “racio”. And your cape tjommie snorre is USELESS and an embarrassment to this country

  • @Ricardo - 2010-08-23 12:23

    You're are a breath of fresh air!!!The only non-white supporter to tell it as it is without using the race card issue!! Well done!!@springbok-fan maybe you should read his comment and then decide whether you should comment or not!!! @all you SA/AB supporters at Sat game,you should be embarrassed to call yourselves South Africans.16 yrs into our democracy as unstable as it may be, by not supporting your homeland shows your ilk.Please get some pride or grow a pair!!

  • Robert Kendall - 2010-08-23 12:27

    I wonder out Ricky Januarie is feeling today after being booed by 94000 people when he replaced Hougaard. I was at the game and Juan Smith, Flip, Hougaard, De Jongh and Aplon were the only guys who really seemed to be making any impact, seems strange that I only mentioned the guys new to the Bok fold, could it be that either a) the more senior and experienced players are not playing for the coaching staff or is it b) that the senior guys are just off the boil and need to be replaced? With exception to Schalk who I also thought had a good game.

  • @Gavin - 2010-08-23 12:32

    Agreed, he is a renowned clown already - there is a job, something he is good at, he can go live with Kevin Putt. HP

  • Trevor - 2010-08-23 12:58

    I am the only person who saw it was not Schalk Burger who scored the try?

  • sb fan - 2010-08-23 13:02

    Isn't it time to get rid of this politically correct farse,put the best players in the correct positions and put in the best coaching staff.janauary is another joke,i think the all blacks are actually using this and the intimidation factor to usurp us from the position of no one,they are quick to cry foul,yet get away with murder.i would also think that the players are only performing at 60% for a reason ,slow strike against saru and coaching staff,i see this as obvious,because one cannot have two top finnishing sides in the super 14 then lose so badly.not one of the stars are putting up there hands,its not fatigue,its lack of commitment,please,please come back fourie dupreez.this supporters supports the slow strike of managment,however we need to be ready for next year.smith and january must go.aplon i say was not ,good at fullback really people he might have tackled ok but his tactical and positional play for a fullback was poor,see terblanche from sharks.de jong i dont think was as good as you all say,when he was tackled with the ball,we lost possession what game were you watching.there is a lack of gel and grit in the side, which is a managment fault,fire hoskens and his cronnies.gary botha is my choice for replacement of smith not bismark he is apenalty waiting to happen and as for bakkies i support him so stop your whinning about his physicality you bunch of ninnies,this is a mans game!!!! we are still the best,so stop the self doubt and support our boys.

  • Stephen - 2010-08-23 13:07

    Morne Steyn has to be the most one dimentional flyhalf SA has ever had. He kicks well at the posts, but for the rest he is crap!!!!!!!! M Steyn, Hasbeen Habana, Smit, Bakkies, Spies, Victor, Guthro, Fourie etc must be dropped, along with Helium Div. All these players are playing on reputation only. PDiv should go to the Shark tank and watch some young, hungry, in form players! The young Sharks team will win the Currie Cup because they are hungry. They still have something to prove, AND ARE NOT PLAYING ON REPUTATION!!!!! Gee why not bring back Naas, Juba, Small etc, they were good and on form once.

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