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NZ give Boks food for thought

2010-08-02 11:47

Gavin Rich

Johannesburg - There are some who are saying it is not official, but if the All Blacks are to be prevented from winning the Tri-Nations trophy in 2010, it definitely won’t be the Springboks who stop them.

Australia can still theoretically ruin their party if they beat the Kiwis in their next two matches, something that looked most unlikely when the All Blacks scored seven tries against them en route to a 49-28 victory in Melbourne at the weekend. Even then, the Wallabies would have to rely on the Springboks winning the August 21 showdown between the two old rivals in Soweto.

But the Springboks cannot retain their trophy for even if they won with a four try bonus point in each of their remaining three matches, the massive points differential between them and the All Blacks would mean they would have to win each of those games by scores that just aren’t realistic, and the All Blacks would have to go the rest of the competition without even a solitary bonus point.

The Boks probably knew it was all over when they lost in Brisbane, and maybe it is a good thing that Melbourne put them out of their misery, for it does mean the “dead rubber” Tests that will make up the rest of their Tri-Nations season can be used for experimentation.

On the evidence of the latest All Black win, the New Zealanders have gone some distance ahead of their other two southern hemisphere rivals, a fact that is quite bizarre if you consider how South Africa dominated the Super 14 and how the local Super 14 teams dominated Kiwi opposition.

Quite obviously the biggest decision the Springboks have to make before they even select their team for the match against the All Blacks is what kind of rugby they are going to employ in the remaining matches.

There have been calls for them to radically reinvent themselves, and there is no doubt the All Blacks, and Australia for that matter, are playing the game at a significantly quicker tempo than the Boks. At the same time however, there may be some sense in the call from some rugby thinkers, most notably Saracens coach Brendan Venter in the Sunday media, to resist the temptation to make the reinvention too radical.

He is right when he says the Bulls and Stormers dominated the Super 14 with a game-plan which was still based quite heavily around kicking strategy – and the Super 14 was played to the new law interpretations. And it is also true that New Zealand are doing more kicking than many people suspect they are.

In the second Test against South Africa in Wellington they hardly kicked a single ball in the first half, but then they were playing into a strong wind at the time. In the second half of that game they kicked a lot more, and they do rely heavily on turn-overs through opposition mistakes like the Boks did last year. A high proportion of their tries against Australia were the product of elementary errors.

Richie McCaw was the man of the match in Melbourne, and his domination of the breakdowns also brought home another point – this is an aspect of the game that the Boks are going to have to give massive attention to before the home leg.

They cannot just blame the referees for the way the breakdown battle is turning out, for with a South African referee in charge in this latest match, there was not a lot of adaptation evident from the New Zealand and Australians as they switched from the Irish referees.

Unfortunately for the Boks their best fetcher, Heinrich Brussow, is out injured, and the one player in the squad that toured overseas was dropped after the Wellington Test. But Francois Louw did show a significant improvement on his first outing against the All Blacks in Auckland, and in retrospect, leaving him out for Brisbane was a massive mistake.

Juan Smith has proved his fitness in the Currie Cup and should be considered a certainty for the home matches, but with Schalk Burger no longer playing too the ball to the extent that he used to, the probable back row of Burger, Smith and Pierre Spies which has done well in the past now appears to lack balance.

Unless they go for an out and out fetcher like Jacques Botes, the other South African player in the Louw mould is Jean Deysel, who made an impressive return to rugby after an injury lay-off in the latter stages of the Sharks’ match against the Cheetahs in Bloemfontein at the weekend.

Of course, hooker Bismarck du Plessis's anticipated return this weekend at Currie Cup level should also be watched closely, for apart from bringing much needed mobility – and regardless of how much they adjust their game, there is no debate that the Boks do need to be quicker – Du Plessis is also excellent in scavenging for the ball on the ground.

Du Plessis’s inclusion would not necessarily mean John Smit’s place in the team is under threat – he was excellent at loosehead for the Sharks in the Super 14 and the Boks wouldn’t lose anything if he made the switch across to the No 1 jersey.

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Comments
  • Boerseun - 2010-08-02 12:06

    @ Gavin Rich jou dom drol nou wil jy weer vir JS skyf na 'n stut toe? Hy is 'n k@k stut en is te dik vir hakker. JS moet gaan! Dankie vir wat jy vir SA Rugby gedoen het haar tyd om te gaan JS. Jammer

  • Ha! - 2010-08-02 12:07

    You must be mad. The experiment with John Smit as prop has failed and to say that the Sharks scrum with him as loosehead was excellent is a joke on par with Helium's wise cracks. Francois Louw, together with the other Stormers loosies, disappeared in the Super 14 final against the Bull's 3 loose forwards, who complemented each other ideally. Schalk is one of the players who, at least, did his best but he is no fetcher - the same with Juan Smith. It would be a bad idea to start with them as loose forwards - I agree with you that the side would be unbalanced.

  • Anti - 2010-08-02 12:07

    Sure, the tri-nations won't be won by the Boks. But earlier this year when the Bulls lost in Auckland and in Brisbane, I didn't say, "Oh, that's it for the Bulls we might as well pick an experimental team from here on out!" Fact is the Boks were never likely to win their away tests they had a terrible draw. Just like Australia never win on the highveld. (at Newlands they occassionaly scrape a win) The Boks played poorly and certainly have plenty of room to improve. The Aussies are going to take 4 more losses in a row, and the sorry SA fans are going to eat their fickle words about their coach. (The coach didn't seem so bad when we gave 6 nations grand slam winners a near 42-17 hiding in Cape Town) The Bok fans are fickle, they want a win every game, but due to injuries, fatigue, poor form, bad refereeing, tough travel schedule and some other factors, we performend well below par. Mark my words - the home leg will see very different results - even though I don't see us reversing our average score of 17 points per match.

  • keith - 2010-08-02 12:12

    Dewald Potgieter should be on the field while Brussow is out

  • BALSAK(alias Blue Bul Hater) - 2010-08-02 12:12

    Die wereld is SWART!!!! Wie gaan die manne in SWART kan STOP!!! Net as Pieter die volgende doen 1. Vervang Zane, Wynand, Ricky, Spies en John met Frans Steyn, Jean de Villiers, Francois Hougaard, Duanne Vermeulen/Kankowski en Tiaan/Gary in die onderskeie posisies. WP groete!!!

  • Watch and Learn - 2010-08-02 12:16

    Once again NZ proved they are the best...so SA must learn from the best. However they will not be able to learn as the way NZ plays requires flair, something SA does not know about, and keeping the ball in hand, also something SA cant do. So SA can only watch at pc screens whole day and scratch there heads as how to beat the ALL BLACKS.

  • Mike - 2010-08-02 12:19

    I'm a long time supporter of John Smit but PLEASE, let's stop trying to accomodate him at the risk of unbalancing the improvong SA scrum machine. If Bismark is the better hooker/loose player, then play him !! Or iIf it's more important to keep the front row steady, then play Smit at hooker. But NOT Smit at prop. And PLEASE (again) lets pick a balanced loose forward combination.....not try to fit in 3 individuals. IMO it's Spies or Kanko; Burger or Smit; and Louw or Botes or Burger (definitely Brussouw when he comes back. We also can't play Matfield and Bekker (a moot point with Bekker out for the season).....but sorry I don't think Flip vd Merwe is the answer....I'd play Sykes - a better all round player with enough size and agro to fill that spot. And let's have Hougaard at #9.

  • ABOUT TIME - 2010-08-02 12:20

    ITS SO CLEAR WE NEED A RESHUFFLE.BISMARCK,DEYSEL,BEAST ALL NEED TO BE BROUGHT IN WHEN MATCH FIT.WE REALLY MISS BROSSOUW AND FDP.ITS TIME FOR OUR GREAT CPT TO STEO A SIDE,AND MAYBE EVEN MATFIELD.SPIES,SCHALK,HABANA,NEED TO SERIOUSLY UP THEIR GAME OR BE RESTED UNTIL THEY SORT THEMSELVES OUT....WHATEVER IS HAPPENING NEEDS TO BE SORTED OUT QUICKLY.YES AL COETZEE SHOULD TAKE OVER OR HEINICKE MEYER,BUT TO AVOID POLITICAL INTERVENTION CAN WE PLS JUST ASK GOLD AND MUIR TO STEP ASIDE AND BRING IN ASSISTANTS WHO CAN HELP WITH A FRESH APPROACH.PDV IS OUT OF HIS DEPTH IT SEEMS,BUT THIS IS SA AND IF THIS COACH IS FIRED NOW IT WOULD BE CHAOS.COETZEE TO TAKE OVER AFTER WC.THE GUY IS A MERIT APPOINTMENT AND HAS PROVED HIMSELF AT ALL LEVELS. IT KILLS ME THAT A GUY LIKE MORNE DU PLESSIS IS NOT RUNNING SARFU... WE HAVE ALL THE GUYS TO RUN OUR GAME SUCCESSFULLY,YET POLITICAL BS PREVENTS IT. I GUESS IN LIFE WE ARE ALL FAKES TO OBTAIN OUR NEEDS AND DESIRES,BUT WHEN IT COMES OUT SO BLUNTLY IT HITS THE SPOT.

  • Gaz - 2010-08-02 12:23

    The Kiwis are playing RUGBY! The way rugby should be played and right now they on fire and to me untouchable...why?... cause they have the best players in the right positions and with a coach who knows his stuff and with a game plan to keep the ball and run straight to the try line..no kicking! Us.... up and unders and kick the ball away all the time with no fetcher at the loose ball. John Smit your time is up, you a great lad, you well liked and you are a good leader - but you fat and damn slow! P Divvie please step down now and lets get Meyer in with Rassie. lets see what happens with the home games?

  • awwsum - 2010-08-02 12:31

    if the boks are to experiment in the dead rubber tests, they should consider experimenting with winning, just to see what it's like

  • colin - 2010-08-02 12:34

    The boks are missing key players including F Steyn, Juan Smit, Brusouw, Conrad Janjies, Bismark and F Du Preez – strange that we can leave all of these players out of a Bok team and still be considered highly competitive – I believe that the Boks are handicapped as a result of all the injuries as all 6 of the Boks I mentioned can take the starting lineup if 100% fit and will probably perform better than players currently in the team.

  • Moersteen - 2010-08-02 12:38

    Get the best players in each position. Sounds so simple, yet PdV is not doing that. Major problems at hooker, flank, scrumhalf, centers, wings & fullback!

  • bulawayo-based-bok - 2010-08-02 12:46

    at this stage the All Blacks have the players and the right tactics to dominate world rugby again for this year at least.....their players are faster, more skillful and more clever then ours at this stage and have much better depth then most people think.....they can still call on Sivivatu, Toeava, McCallister, Gear, Ranger, Bill Williams when available....we do not compare!!

  • kiwi/mauri - 2010-08-02 12:55

    it was over for for the boks when they got a 2 null white wash from the AB + AUSSIES KLAPPED THEM ALSO - another win from the all blacks this coming saturday makes them the world rugby winners twice over in one season so don't you get it it's all over (BOKS) lekker

  • jay - 2010-08-02 13:02

    ALL true but please find an improvement for no 15! Zane is good but not great. We need a great no 15 - Frans Steyn, work things out and get him in!

  • henk van der walt - 2010-08-02 13:40

    drop john smit en kry klaar hy is n 5e wiel aan die wa en hou die hele span terug, is almal te onnosel om dit te sien. daar is nie plek vir hom nie nie eers as kaptein nie. bismark sal n groot invloed he as hy sou terug keer bo john boy.

  • BC - 2010-08-02 14:06

    The way PdV was doing selections I thought all the matches were already being used for experimentation!

  • onion - 2010-08-02 14:07

    why does news24 always have such shocking pics of McCaw? I love beating the all blacks as much as most south africans, but show them and their captain some respect. I dont see bloody or badly taken pics of John Smit on sites from downunder.

  • Anti - 2010-08-02 14:11

    The thing is that last year at this time, when Heinrich Brussouw made Richie McCaw his bunny, everyone was saying McCaw is over the hill drop the guy and look for new blood. And now, Richie McCaw is the best fetcher in world rugby again? One thing I know from watching rugby for years, is that the game goes in swings and roundabouts. John Smit and Pierre Spies had 3 shocking games but that doesn't mean they'll never play well again. 3 away matches at the start of a campaign is a huge handicap for any team. I believe the Boks will be back fiercer and hungrier than before.

  • RICARDO ABERSALIE - 2010-08-02 14:33

    JA SO IS ONS MAAR NOU EENMAAL HIER IN SUID AFRIKA, AS ALLES GOED GAAN IN RUGBY DAN HET ONS N GOEIE COACH EN N GOEIE SPAN, MAAR SODRA ONS VERLOOR DAN KLA ONS ONS GATTE AF. NEE MENSE STOP DIT, JA DIE ALL BLACKS SPEEL GOED MAAR GEE KANS ONS SAL WEER BO UIT KOM, ONTHOU ONS HET N PAAR SPELERS WAT BESEER IS. NET DIE VOLGENDE AS PDV NET VIR DEON STEGMANN OOK N KANS WIL GEE DAN HET ONS N GOEIE FETCHER BETER AS SCHALK BURGER-KYK NET NA DIE SUPER 14 FINAL, HY MOET VIR JOHN SMIT LAAT GAAN DAAR IS BETER KYK NA GARY BOTHA EN BISMARCK EN JA BRING FRANS STEYN TERUG EN SIT F HOUGAARD OP SCRUM HALF.

  • Voice - 2010-08-02 14:33

    I have read so many opinions on this website from know-it-all Bok supporters to the gloating AB supporters and have had to laugh at the fickleness of all. I am 100% Bok but I also have an deep respect for the AB`s something that was passed down to me by my forefathers. One can quickly guage, by some of the proverbial verbal trash that is been spewed from both sides, that there are some youngsters here who have very little knowledge or respect for the traditions of the rivalry between SA & NZ. I can assure that Richie McCaw and his team are not saying what some of you folks are saying! Lets us look at it as a whole - at the mo we miss Fourie du Preez badly but we have also been victim of bad selections and an inability to adapt as such. I really dont think the AB`s have upped the pace, I just think they have been more clinical - I can tell you the AB`s have played the same brand of rugby forever, if you dont knock them back and they gain momentum - you in trouble no matter what or who your are, the same applies to the Bokke. We had our 3 match victory over the AB`s last year and they still have to beat us here. Even if they do - well done AB`s but folks the WC is still to come and I think that we, as traditional rugby super powers, are going to be surprised in the WC by some other teams. The AB`s will always be #1 due to their consistency but they are vulnerable in knock out stages of tournaments. How can the Boks and SA go from Tri Champs and 2 sides in the S14 final to - hey everyone is shit and he and them must go and so & so must come in and the coach etc. etc. etc. The simplicity is Jean de Villiers must play inside centre and Fourie needs to be in the team and the senior players must step up to the plate - Does not matter about the ref and PDV with his big mouth just play your heart out - something that McCaw does week in and week out, he plays for the jersey and is an absoultely great embassador for NZ so let all of us stop the trash talk - it is a sport afterall and today you up, tomorrow you down.

  • Hammer - 2010-08-02 14:44

    Stop making all these commin comments if you know nothing about rugby. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the coach of the boks, rather stop criticising the guy and pray for him, the nation and the boks...We all know how to unite behind the boks if they win, look at the coaches history, he did great and no one said nothing....Why now all of a sudden? Bunch of cowards....Unfortunately the boks cant retain the title but its possible a good thing that we rest our great players now and rather start focussing on the world cup and our mistakes....Wake up...

  • webb - 2010-08-02 15:03

    Well there's a thought - SA dominated Super 14 rugby this year, yet these same players under a different (or bluntly put an incompetent clown of a coach) have been reduced to the laughing stock of world rugby - and SARU say that Helium has their full backing? What a joke!

  • Raymond - 2010-08-02 15:16

    Kies 'n nuwe kaptein om te begin. Los die ou manne, hulle speel net vir statistiek op die oomblik! Wanneer het jy genoeg toetse en bekers gewen? Is dit regtig nodig om te sê dat die slotpaar al 60,70 ? toetse al gespeel het, mees ervare span van 700 toetse. Daai ervaring help niks as jy oud, moeg en stadig is nie. wat se motivering is daar on die 20 ste toets teen die AllBlacks te speel? Kies nuwe jong spelers vir wie dit 'n eer sal wees om die eerste keer teen die AllBlacks te speel, en as hulle aanvanklik sukkel is dit ook ok, ten mindste tel hul broodnodige ondervinding voor volgende jaar se WC op. Wat gaan volgende jaar gebeur - al die Golden Oldies sal WC toe gaan, meeste vir hul tweede of derde, gaan op 'n streep seerkry en dan is dit te laat. Waar sou al die spelers gewees het as hulle vir jare moes wag om te speel totdat al die ou manne pesioen ouderdom bereik het - A nee a, maak plek vir jong bloed voor dit te laat is.

  • Jason - 2010-08-02 15:44

    I like Voice's discussion - pretty much spot on. Personally I think bad selection and injuries contributed to 90% of our difficulty. Let us look at the changes since last year: Fourie du Preez out (world's best player and best #9); Francois Steyn out (world's best drop-kicker and place kicker from beyond 50m - worth 6 - 9 points a game); Jean de Villiers out of position = as good as out (half of what is considered the best centre pairing in world rugby); Brussouw out (world's best fetcher for 2009); Bismarck out (one of best #2's in the world and excellent in both tight and loose); Beast out (not a world-best but certainly one of the mainstays of the scrum last year and excellent on the run too); Juan Smith out (considered one of the best back-rowers in world rugby). Ok guys - so for a moment let's forget who did well in Super 14 etc - the newbies are ALL inexperienced at international level - and let's concentrate on the Springboks that did so well last year: we have lost half of that team to injury (see above-mentioned players), and of those players, du Preez, Steyn, Brussouw, De Villiers, Du Plessis and Smith are 6 of the most feared players in the world. On top of all that, PDV then experimented by putting newbies in the team and playing guys out of position - fine if you are preparing for RWC but NOT fine if you want to win the 3N. So there we have it - all our problems explained.

  • RonnieR - 2010-08-02 15:49

    I dont know why all Bok supporters are panicking... the AB's are timing their World Cup run to their well used model... peak 12 months before and fail in the semis to...... France...

  • Fullback - 2010-08-02 16:08

    Am i the only guy who thinks kirshner and jantjies are not up international fullbacks.F Steyn must return and stabilize that position...and F hougaard is no scrumhalf....you cant slot into a specialist position like scrumhalf without the playing time there....schoolboy error!!!!its not like swopping wings for piets sake.Duwenage,vermaak,mccloed,griquas scrummie..all these guys can play international rugby and we put a winger there who has played wing for two seasons...hougaard scrumhalf,de villiers wing,smit prop,come on pdv...either get some assistants who can help you put this right or step aside.yes you are a clown,but if you are going to be a figure head at least choose the correct management team to do the job and make you look good.There is nothing wrong with being a token figure head in SA as long as the people around him are upto the challenge.Madiba was a unifier of people not a great businessman...he appointed idiots as ministers but he's powers could unite the world.

  • The Original Beast - 2010-08-02 16:17

    What needs to be done, is to rest some players. Smith is a good player, with a bit of time out, he can recondition and show South Africa his true worth. This goes for HAbana, Jauque Forie and Victor. We lost the tri-nations. Why not bring some talent in to see what they got. WHat do you rate of my team? Die Experimental team while the senior players are on rest. 1) Beast 2) Bismark 3) CJ van der Linde 4) Danie Russouw 5) Flip van de Merwe 6) Schalk Burger 7)Francios Louw 8) Ryan Kwankoski 9) RUan Pienaar 10) Morne Steyn 11) JP Pieterson 12) Jean de villiers 13) Juan de Jongh 14) Gio Aplon 15 Fran Steyn Bench: Spies, BJ Botha, Guthro steenkamp, Hougard, Lambie, Juan Smith

  • William Shakespeare - 2010-08-02 16:18

    The Tri-Nations doesn't amount to a row of beans. It's the World Cup that matters. All good.

  • Aragorn - 2010-08-02 16:24

    Almost all of you bunch know absolute diddly squat about rugby and have rubbish memories. Jake White built the team, he got shafted by the SARU, who put in a BEE coach, who lived on its past momentus for as long as he could and then impolded along with the team, due to a lack of direction as have all BEE led entities. We are the masters of our own defeat as usual. Period!

  • Aragorn - 2010-08-02 16:26

    Almost all of you bunch know absolute diddly squat about rugby and have rubbish memories. Jake White built the team, he got shafted by the SARU, who put in a BEE coach, who lived on its past momentus for as long as he could and then impolded along with the team, due to a lack of direction as have all BEE led entities. We are the masters of our own defeat as usual. Period!

  • Aragorn - 2010-08-02 16:33

    Almost all of you bunch know absolute diddly squat about rugby and have rubbish memories. Jake White built the team, he got shafted by the SARU, who put in a BEE coach, who lived on its past momentus for as long as he could and then impolded along with the team, due to a lack of direction as have all BEE led entities. We are the masters of our own defeat as usual. Period!

  • the little cherub - 2010-08-02 16:43

    @Anti I'm surprised SARU haven't appointed you official Spin-doctor for the Springboks yet. Your multitude of reasons/excuses for us losing leaves me breathless!

  • 21August - 2010-08-02 16:54

    We bought Tickets for the game on 21August if they play an experimental team it would be the last bokke match we buy tickets for.....Go Sharks

  • Vito - 2010-08-02 17:05

    Chaps, am I the only SA supporter saying that we should stuff the world cup and rather win all our other games in between? If we win the world cup it would be great, but I'm tired of being potentially happy every 4 years. Loosing twice against English club sides last year have, in my humble opinion, done away with the 2 world cups we have won. Springbok rugby is about being the best all the time and not about experimenting (loosing) to be on top for the world cup.

  • Nick - 2010-08-02 17:50

    Here's a thought - Smit will stay on to get his 100th cap - Clown coach will stay on untli the world cup - regardless of how we perform in the last leg of the Tri - Nations - Chilliboy Ralepella is the next Springbok captain - any bets that this won't happen? S.A rugby as now all about window dressing nothing more, nothing less

  • Watch and Learn - 2010-08-02 18:40

    VITO! I couldnt agree with you more!!! SA go on and on and on about how good they are and that the only thing that matters is the WC....THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF.... what team in any sport says "Its OK we still the best because we win a tournament every 4 years" NZ are by far the best and SA can only watch and learn

  • Reds - 2010-08-02 18:42

    NZ give Boks food for thought, I think they'll give them more than that.....a good drubbing no less.

  • The Original Beast - 2010-08-02 18:53

    @vito. Dude, with all respect to your opinion. We lost the Tri-nations, our experienced players are fatigued, and it is way too early to start out proper world cup training. Why not give those player who have been putting their hands up an opportunity to shine. In that regard, if I am not mistaken, it was the young players that gave the Boks a boost during the second match against NZ. By the end of the year, we can start developing our squad. With most of our expereinced players back, those less experienced players like e.g. Hougard, who put their hands up can be just the right mix we need going into next years WC.

  • MJ - 2010-08-02 19:27

    @ RonnieR. France is in the same pool as NZ you fool. The only way France will meet NZ is if they make it to the final - which of course means SA has already been taken out... So not really in South African interests for France to face NZ... Although with the form of Australia and SA - it's actually a very reasonable prospect.

  • 100% - 2010-08-02 19:46

    I totally agree with the shouting Ricardo. Stegman is the answer to McCaw and Pocock, and Frans Steyn should not have been kept out of the squad if it is due to personal problems with PdV.

  • k@k Rugby - 2010-08-02 19:57

    Yes, South Africa teams dominated the Super 14 wich clearly proves the players are not the problem....The reason they dominated is because they were not coached by the "Pieter de Villiers Rugby Guru Clan" !!!

  • kiwikep - 2010-08-02 20:43

    Just because players perform in the s14 doesn't mean they can step up to international rugby so stop bleeting on about it...

  • Tommy - 2010-08-02 21:19

    Two players were critical to last years tri-nations win and probably more due to good fortune on their inclusion than good coaching. Brussouw and Francois Steyn. Brussouw stopped NZ from playing their normal running game because he slowed their ball down, stole possession and did not allow them to play quickly. Steyn then destroyed them in that they were then forced to kick, and yes he kick farther than they do. He also can drop kick from 50m and kick 60m penalties.... so their next game option was closed out. It is pretty well known NZ will try run from anywhere, have poor set pieces and hate line outs, SA defence and game plan was just feeding NZ strengths instead hindering them from playing their natural game. Any good coach would not setup their play to play to the strengths of the opposition but then Div is not real coach.

  • History lesson.. - 2010-08-02 22:43

    It reminds me of 1998 all over again. That year the Blues literally destroyed all other super rugby teams before falling prey to the beginning of the Crusaders dynasty. Everyone then thought the All Blacks would annihilate every team it opposed but as we know with history, they lost 5 matches on the trot. The Springboks of 2010 seem to me like it's the All Blacks of 1998.. All Hype and no substance.

  • Phantom - 2010-08-02 23:19

    WTF???? What is it with SA supporters that don't understand???? NZ have beaten us twice and Aus once!!!! " Trainsmash" - so blame everybody. For goodness sake believe in your team and forget about all the rubbish. As long as you believe it WE WILL OVERCOME

  • ROB THE KIWI - 2010-08-02 23:22

    @tommy . Tommy says It is pretty well known NZ will try run from anywhere, have poor set pieces and hate line outs, What a dip stick you have stroking yourself to much tommy over springbok magazines. Lets look at the fact you scrum was rubbish against the All Blacks went backwards faster than the Rand is falling!! Your lineouts were no better in one of the Test matches we won three of your lineout throws. At least if your going to comment have substance to what you say you are full of hot wind ,and like the Boks at the moment no substance. Just a point why dont you blame the Ref like all of your other Mates!! Sorry I forgot that ploy was taken away after Saturday night after the All Blacks won handsomely, and Richie hardly got penalised by a South African Ref. I still maintain that South Africa and the UK teams will try and change the Rules again as they cant play the game at this pace they dont think fast enough LMFAO

  • Jakkals - 2010-08-03 01:02

    Dont know what we are worried about because fact is that New Zealand in their last 5 games had the pleasure of attacking against 14 men. Everybody knows that playing with 14 men, even agaist Italy will cost you points. In my opinion we are reading to much in the NZ wins. I dont think they are that great. The other fact is SA has 6 top players missing from our team, 6 players people! What do you think will happen if Richie and Carter got injured? The All Blacks will be useless. The Boks are still the best, you'll see.

  • kane333 - 2010-08-03 04:19

    @Voice - As a New Zealand supporter I couldn't agree with you more. Some of the vitriol spewed in these forums from both sides is so bad it's enough to make me write in. New Zealand rugby supporters by in large have a deep respect for South Africa and the their rugby teams. Although we've played Australia a lot more, New Zealanders regard South Africa as their greatest rugby rival. The number of classic games between the two countries reflects that. Any rugby supporter here who writes off the Springboks aren't true fans of the game. We think your coach is bizarre at times with his comments, but he does add character in the boring world of prematch press conferences. Your team is just out of form at the moment, with some things to work on in key areas. We experienced it last year, and all of the great teams do go through form slumps. Sure, there is RWC to think about next year but there is so much rugby to be played before then. Too much emphasis is placed on the RWC in my opinion. Sure, since we've only won one compared to your two, it's hardly worth losing sleep over. I've been bitterly disappointed at times about us losing, but it's usually because of an extraordinary performance by the opposition, such as in 1995 and 1999. 2003 we were beaten by a better team overall and 2007 it could have gone either way. That is what makes sport what it is. If we knew the result before the game has even been played, would we continue to watch? One more thing. All Black supporters have a genuine fear of playing the Springboks at Ellis Park. They may be able to fit 25,000 more people at Soccer City, but there is something about the atmosphere at Ellis Park that makes it such an intimidating place to play for overseas teams. Chance of All Blacks winning at Soccer City on current form - about 8/10. At Ellis Park I reckon it's no better than 50/50. I guess because of revenue from gate sales has prompted the move, but I think it's a tactical mistake from your authorities. Cheers K

  • Man in BLACK - 2010-08-03 08:48

    "NZ give Boks food for thought" and during '95 WC SA gave the All Blacks poisoned food for.............. Cheats, and the world knows it. Actually come to think about it, what teams did SA play in the last WC, hmmmmmm, munch on that BOETS

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