Jake: Boks blew golden chance

2011-07-26 11:57

Canberra - Former Springbok coach Jake White believes the Boks squandered an opportunity to gain a mental edge over Tri-Nations rivals Australia.

Speaking to The Australian website, White criticised the decision to rest top Boks and said that the things that worked in 2007 would not necessarily work now as circumstances were different.

"I just think that if it's done based on the fact that it worked in 2007, I'm critical of the fact that it seems to be a sort of copy act," White said. "I think you look at things on the merits of where the team is now. There was almost an opportunity for the Springboks, had they brought their best team, to get a win against the second-best team in the world.”

"There is no doubt that Australia is now set-up. They got five points from this game. They will have a week off while South Africa play New Zealand and then they get an opportunity to continue their momentum.”

"I'm not critical at all about (coach) Peter (de Villiers). I'm just critical about the fact that maybe there was a gap that was missed for South Africa to maybe stake a claim going forward in the campaign.”

"You want to go into the World Cup with some sort of momentum, and you want to go into the World Cup knowing you can beat anybody. If you are on the receiving end of losses, it becomes more and more difficult.”

"There's no doubt in my mind winning teams create winning teams and losing teams create losing teams.”

"That's one thing the Springboks have to keep in the backs of their minds. They've got to pick up a couple of wins before they get to the World Cup."

Speaking on his website, RugbyXV, White said he didn’t want to 'sound negative' but that it would be 'remiss' of him as a former Bok coach 'not to point out certain things in their game'.

White questioned the Boks' defensive system and the treatment of Springbok debutants, as he highlighted the flaws in the team's loss to the Wallabies.

White expressed concern about the Springboks' defensive woes.

“The ease with which the Wallabies scored five tries is a worry. The defensive system the Boks have introduced now a few months before the World Cup is completely different to the one used in the past.”

“It's not easy to acclimatise to a new system in a couple of weeks and it was a difficult situation for those players to be put in.”

“Last year the Aussies scored four tries or more against us, and they did it again on Saturday. That's a big worry. We only scored two tries when the result was beyond doubt – one from a pick and go and the other a drive from a lineout. We didn't create anything or build momentum from 50m out or anything like that.”

White also targeted the breakdown as a problem area.

“We also offered the Aussies many turnovers, which is obviously dangerous. We lost too many balls in contact, which was evidence of them not playing in four weeks. It was also clear that not many Boks knew where the ball was going in attack. That also comes from not playing together much as forwards and backs and as a unit.”

White was also saddened by the treatment of the three debutantes, Dean Greyling, Werner Kruger and Ashley Johnson.

“To take them all off (Greyling, Werner Kruger and Ashley Johnson) so early in a game that wasn't going well anyway, was disappointing. The correct message would've been to keep them on - that's the only way they would've learnt fully. As a coach I felt sorry for them, even Charl McLeod who didn't even get on.”

“Doc Craven said if you're good enough for one, you're good enough for two. If they were good enough to be taken on tour, they were good enough to play 80 minutes.”

Jake White wrote off the Boks' chances of beating the All Blacks in New Zealand but targeted the third Test as crucial for the Springboks to build momentum moving towards the Rugby World Cup.


  • Wolff - 2011-07-26 12:04

    Jake hou jou bek asseblief.

      docraven - 2011-07-26 12:07

      His Bek speaks the truth.We need to go into the RWC with confidence.Doing it this way we going to go in with a very low confidence.So try read between the lines and think about what he is trying to say.Are you a Bulls supporter by any chance??

      KevinM - 2011-07-26 12:14

      @Docraven - what makes you think he is a Bulls supporter??haha

      Jack - 2011-07-26 12:26

      I would like his opinion on John Smit' s status.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-26 12:31

      Kevin, docraven takes ignorance to another level.

      docraven - 2011-07-26 12:49

      Bulldozer..."Kevin, docraven takes ignorance to another level".You sound like a little school child shouting "Teacher,teacher, Johnny is hitting me" Bloody Pansy you are.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-26 12:52

      Please read my profile of you on the Sean Fitspatrick article. Your obsession with little school chidren is worrying.

      Grant - 2011-07-26 12:54

      @Jack - White has already tried to convince Smit to retire. I think that says it all...

      Nettas - 2011-07-26 12:56

      Do we want to go to the RWC and win? I couldn't care less if it was copied or not, the decision to "rest" the top players makes sense. I am with Wolff all the way!!!

      docraven - 2011-07-26 13:03

      Bulldozer, not obsessed with school children just honestly think you are the biggest wining pansy i have ever come across.Agent and i fight but he is a man and he knows his rugby.You are just a pathetic little wannbe with a prickly pair shoved up your crack.

      docraven - 2011-07-26 13:29 are that type.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-26 13:35

      Nice chirp mummford, nice chirp.

      Kok - 2011-07-26 13:52

      Ek is surprised dat Eddie Jones nie saam met hom in hierdie prentjie staan nie.

      BLOODY AGENT - 2011-07-26 13:55

      doc were never fighting although i cant wait for that day

      LOGIC - 2011-07-26 14:50

      I agree, under Jake White we never won in New Zealand and lost 49-0 to Australia in Canberra. Jake won the World Cup without having to play New Zealand and Australia. Furthermore he loves to blow sunshine up his own ass and that he does really very well!! He is already marketing himself before even creating success with the Brumbies. At least he brought in experience such as Larkham, Eddie Jones and George Gregan to revive the Brumbies. Jake you are Tosser!!

      BlouBos - 2011-07-26 16:59

      @docraven - Jake weet al lankal iets wat julle weier om raak te sien of te dof is om raak te sien. Jake het met baie Bulle die vorige wêreldbeker gewen. Nou soek hy baie Bulle om die Super 15 beker volgende jaar te wen vir die Brumbies, let wel hy soek nie Stormers nie maar Bulle.

      Rajty - 2011-07-27 07:01

      Jake is looking to set himself as the one and only "man" in SA rugby...what a laugh....

      Raeez - 2011-07-27 09:27

      Stem saam met jou Wolff.

  • mike mason - 2011-07-26 12:11

    Jake White is a real Knob,he has a short term memory,what really dented the Boks was the 49-0 LOST Against Australia under him.

      BringITon007 - 2011-07-26 12:17

      He won the WC after that lesson, PDV has not put in place anything that could suggest that we can turn this around....

      Gorilla - 2011-07-26 12:35

      mike. Jake took a losing side and made champions out of them. Snor has taken a champion side and attempted to keep it going using nothing but old tricks. Big difference.

      StBad - 2011-07-26 13:29

      Love him or hate him, he's achieved more in four years of being the coach of the Springboks than practically every other coach in the world... therefore, his opinion matters!

      kosie - 2011-07-26 14:12

      @st bad: 100%

      Rajty - 2011-07-27 07:03

      But before Jake won the world cup nobody gave his startagy a rats ass chance....and he had tons of luck on his what makes it any different to now Bringlton007

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-27 16:54

      @stbad - 100% china - i think any coach can talk if he has won the world cup. You may not like Jake (and i did not) but his record/s speak for itself.

  • Wizard101 - 2011-07-26 12:11

    Jake has got point and Div is missing it Wolff.

      Paul - 2011-07-26 12:28

      What a bunch of FOOLS you guys are ... PDV in my opinion has been a great coach .... unlike you chops who can only insult him ,I can back my opinion up with FACTS ... 1. PDV vs HENRY P9W4L5 this against the most sucessful AB coach of all time ...not bad hey!!! ..and if ref's had picked up forward passes in all 3 AB tries in last years Seweto Test PDV would be up on Henry... 2. PDV as coach has beaten the AB's on NZ soil twice(2) in 3years ,Mallet 1 win in 4years,Jake White 0 win in 4years... 3. Mallet lost a series to the B&I Lions ...PDV won his !!! 4. All 3 of them won 3N. OK now some of you will be saying he did this "with JAKES team" ...BS these are the from players from CC & S14&S15 ... this from a white fan who backs PDV because he delivers where it matters most in THE RECORD BOOK ..SO SHUT UP FOOLS or go shout for those AB's ! GO BOKKE GO !!!

      Valis - 2011-07-26 12:32

      @Paul: Can you please translate your comment into English for us? Thank you.

      Raka13 - 2011-07-26 12:47

      @Paul, sure your stats probably do not lie, but have you considered how well Jake actually did coach the players, for them to still be a force 2 years after Jake was dropped? That is what I call coaching with the a greater picture and building a future. After Deans left the Crusaders - what happend to them? They lost their title and still haven't won it back, although the Crusaders are still one of the best teams with their core players still in tack, the coach who made them hero's is not there. What players and structure will the next Springbok coach inherit from Snorre? GO BOKKE!!!!

      Paul - 2011-07-26 12:51

      Valis ...if that's all you got as a come back to my comment rather SHUT UP FOOL !!! but then maybe you got no come back on Why PDV is as bad as you FOOLS say he is ... or you a pompus English Teacher ...GROW UP.

      kungfupanda - 2011-07-26 12:56

      @Paul: It's not about winning the battle, it's about winning the war. That one win in Dunedin because of Ricky January's break, came at the end of probably one of our most unsuccessful Tri-nations campaigns ever. And that was all PdV's fault, picking players for political gain. Back then he should have started to groom today's RWC squad, but he failed. Now we left with a bunch of has-been, semi-retired blue bull players who's loyalty lie in Europe already.

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:05

      @Paul - White coached a team from the point of being a laughing stock, to being the team rated best in the world. Not only did we win the world cup, but we were seen by all as being the BEST IN THE WORLD. PdV took over that team, and we are now a team that the rest of the world sees as very beatable. NZ, Aus and England all have a fair chance of beating us. And quite honestly, even teams like Ireland and France would rather face us in a knock-out game than NZ, Aus and probably even England! The only reason our team wins these days is due to sheer will-power of the forwards on the field. Not smooth driving mauls, solid scrums, compact defense or relentless angled running attacks (that coaching would have a hand in). Our Bok team should now be a dream example of an established team. Best locks in the world, world-cup-winning experience all round, talented youngsters now accustomed to the Bok playing style. We had the recipe for a perfect team... but is that anywhere near where the team has been taken?

      Gary - 2011-07-26 13:14

      Paul, maybe some pie charts and graphs would make more sense LOL. If people wanted to they could find facts and figures to support their argument. In 2007 there were not many people that thought we would not win the RWC. I for one new we would walk away with that trophy. PDV has not built that confidence with the public there is no plan like with Jake he had a game plan and stuck to it even if it did not please horrible Hoskins. I personally am crapping myself for the boks.

      Paul - 2011-07-26 13:28

      @ kungfupanda ...Ricky's try was in 2008 and we lost that 3N ... PDV's second victory on NZ soil was in 2009 3N which was our best 3N ever ... before you comment you should know a bit about what you commenting on. @Grant ...oh really ,so all those teams think they can knock our Boks over ....well I bet you the AB's don't think that ... scince PDV took over as coach we have beaten the MIGHTY AB's 4 times , France & Aussie have each only beaten them once ....all other teams have lost to the AB's ... so of the Ab's 6 defeats our Boks have dealt out 66% of them ... and they are taking us lightly ...yeah sure ... sets us up great for that Semi-Final against the AB's come WC2011 ...GO BOKKE GO !!!

      Kevin - 2011-07-26 13:48

      @Gary hmmm... thats strange that you were more confident of us winning the world cup in 2007, i dont remember the same. I also clearly remember the springboks not even being in the top 3 ranked teams in international rugby before the world cup. I remember us having very close contests with minnow teams like Tonga and Argentina. And if we must be honest with ourselves, we were damn lucky that try wasn't awarded to England in the final. South Africa only played like World Champions the year after the world cup, in 2008. Call a spade a spade, people are just more apprehensive having a black person at the wheel. I'm guilty of the same thing, does that make me racist.. i hope not, perceptions and stereotypes don't just disappear over night. People must just be honest, its cos he has a squeeky voice and he's not white. there i said it..

      Paul - 2011-07-26 13:49

      @Raka13 Unlike the Crusaders post Deans PDV has won a 3N in 2009 and a B&I Lions Series for players next Bok coach will inherit ...ok here's a list .... Lambie,Deysel, Morne Alberts , Hougraard, Basson,Mvuvo, Flip VD Merve, De Joungh, Beast, Hardgreaves, Brussouw,Aplon ...... The list goes on ...think before you spew your negative attitude out on these pages

      StaalBurgher - 2011-07-26 13:59

      @Paul, you are obviously blind to all the idiotic decisions he has made. Nothing can help you. Don't worry though it seems that you are in good company; most of the world's European-Westerners are living in this lala-land of denial.

      Paul - 2011-07-26 14:23

      @ StaalBurgher ... lol should change your name ... here's some alternatives for you Bangbrook Burgher, SoftyBurgher ....but this one suites your best... PlasticCitizen ...COME ON FOOL ... all you got to are insults comment on my comment , because FACTS DON"T LIE ... PDV's record outshines Jakes before WC2007 victory ... and if PDV and our Boks win this WC then you and all these other chumps here will look stupid .... I will never insult my team or their coach , I will always back any SAFFA in any sport against any opponent .... our Boks are going to win this WC .... GO BOKKE GO !!!

      Raka13 - 2011-07-26 14:48

      @Paul, your superior list dotted down below... who of these players are 1st choice players in the starting team, also, please indicate the renowned Snorre game plan he has put together in the last 4 years that we all should be trusted with to DEFEND the World Cup. Also how many times have Snorre won the title of IRB coach of the year?Then please dot down how many Springboks received the title of IRB player of the year under Snorre's coaching?

      Paul - 2011-07-27 00:58

      @Raka13 - July 26, 2011 at 14:48 ...Who cares who won IRB Coach or Player of the year .... tell me who they were in the year 2001 ...without google ...hmmmmm ...but I bet you can tell me which coaches held up The Webb Ellis Trophy .... you see dude it,s not going to always be our players and coaches always winnning every award out there ... even if we wish it could be ... right now PDV and our Boks are trying to win a WC ... I for one ....and I'm sure I'm not alone ... will never give up hope,insult our coach or players ,I will always believe that we are the best and that all guys give their best ...and on the day that we get beaten .... I will accept it and go straight back to backing our boys for their next game .... you see Chump we can't win all the Cups all of the time but as long as we give it our best well then thats enough for me .... unlike you ...coming on here with all kinds of insults but yet you don't try counter me on the 1 fact you can't dispute ....PDV'S RECORD SPEAKS FOR ITSELF suck it up you traitor loser .... GO BOKKE GO !!!

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-27 16:55

      i agree - he is a copy cat - he is not qualified for the job. for those living in denial, time will proof me right. this will be one of sa's worst world cups..sadly!

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-27 16:59

      @ paul... you are the fool. PDV inherited a world champion side filled with brilliant players. They were at the top of their game, rated no1! Where are we rated now? These players have aged and since then he has not added anything to the bok cause for the 2011 world cup. We have gone backwards. PDV has not won the world cup yet buddy (the way you go on)..and he never will. He will not make it to the final, in fact, i dont think he will make it to the semi final..sad but true!

      Frans Smith - 2011-07-27 17:01

      it is all the wise guys, lets see what happens on saturday, boks against nz?

      Paul - 2011-07-28 08:28

      @Frans Smith - July 27, 2011 at 16:59 I'd rather be a fool who backs his team than a fool like you who rights them off before the first game they play ... and you call your self a Bok supporter ....we don't need negative defeatist traitors like you !!! As for PDV inheriting "Jakes team" thats a load of BS ... PDV inherited the form SA players ...but once again you just like others here disagreeing with me fail to debate me on the facts ...PDV's RECORD ... if you care to add any value to the debate ,by all means do so ,but if all you've got is your negative attitude ...well then bru get lost .... Our BOKS don't need your support,there are enough of us loyal fans who will ALLWAYS no matter how bleak things look believe that our boys will give their life for the Boks .... GO BOKKE GO !!!

      Paul - 2011-07-28 08:35

      @ Frans Smith ... You really are a chop ... so to prove your point you say ... "it is all the wise guys, lets see what happens on saturday, boks against nz? " the AB's A team beating our B/C team tells you we will not win the WC ...and you call me a FOOL ... go by your Ab Jersey ..goodbye we don't need a__holes like you supporting our Boks !!! GO BOKKE GO !!!

      robo-dogg - 2011-07-28 10:04

      @ Paul.... Appreciate the facts. Well said.

  • Tools1 - 2011-07-26 12:11

    Whats different this time around? they have infact played more rugby than in your era. So give the oak some slak. He has your pool of players and he hasnt really identified any new talent, he doesnt really have any coaching skills and is probably the worst communicator in the business, I dont think he has the respect of the players which is why he has John taging around. OH Jake PLEASE come back.

      Sword - 2011-07-26 12:27

      ...Jake who? come back? coach who?

      Hayden - 2011-07-27 19:33

      "You want to go into the World Cup with some sort of momentum, and you want to go into the World Cup knowing you can beat anybody. If you are on the receiving end of losses, it becomes more and more difficult.” As good as Jake was.... his above statement is contradicting to what he did in 2007 when the Boks also lost both games on tour. Makes me think hey?

  • BringITon007 - 2011-07-26 12:11

    We lost too many balls in contact, which was evidence of them not playing in four weeks. It was also clear that not many Boks knew where the ball was going in attack. That also comes from not playing together much as forwards and backs and as a unit.” PDV doesn't know how a TEAM is created, He as a coach should have used the past 2 years to find out who numbers 2,3,4 was in every position. He should have put a system into place that any new player could fit into. With the talent we have in this country it should not have been a problem putting a TEAM together that could compete with the other 2 3N teams... Our coaching staff's lack of vision and planning is for all the world to see NOW!!!!!

  • Moersteen - 2011-07-26 12:11

    As far as I can remember, the Boks lost to the ABs in Durban in 2007, after loosing both their away games of the TN3. So they had no momentum from that going into the world cup, and was very lucky that the WBs and ABs knocked themselves out. Maybe Jake is saying that he got lucky, but he thinks PdV won't.

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:10

      The difference is that back then, the team was already a confident, well established force. A loss using a half-strength team away from home wouldnt have done much to dent confidence - and the fact that the games were so closely contested ANYWAY only improved confidence!! This team has no such confidence - and getting thrashed (although a second string team) now means that we have a team lacking confidence who ALSO wont want to rely on its backup players. Its like an exam. If you have studied well, and know your work, yo can rest the day before the test, as cramming wont do anything. BUT - if you havent studied well, then you sure as hell better cram in everything you can while you still have time. Different scenarios require different tactics.

  • Bandleader - 2011-07-26 12:14

    Maybe. Loss to AB's - definitely. Look on PDV's face - priceless. We may not want to hear this from Jake, but what he says makes sense. Players would warm to simple, consistent strategy, instead of the nonsense they currently are exposed to. Just wonder if he's not playing to the Aussie beat now that he's on their turf - Jake's a wily tactician. But PDV has done himself no favours, and has left himself wide open to criticism. And if he doesn't win the RWC after all this... ouch!

  • nic - 2011-07-26 12:19

    "I'm not critical at all about (coach) Peter (de Villiers)" ... Well who is to blame then if not our coach?? PDV, however, is still living in your shadow (and I think this isnt his choice..hes merely a puppet for some big shots in SA Rugby) and this we can see by the way his team selection is 2007 our players were at their peak...are you going to tell me that in this proffesional era that the same guys are going to be the best continually year in year out...basically what our coaching staff have done is ignore upcomming would be the equivalent of Australia playing Giteau at flyhalf and ignoring Cooper or New Zealand ignoring SBW, Dagg etc. You have to play your form players...what better opportunity than from the SUper Rugby tournament and the AVIVA tournament which has some great talent too. It is clear that players like SPies and smit have had a rubbish seasons...isnt that warning bells enough? Experience counts a lot but new blood does as well...SA managment aim is to go into this world cup with experience and hardly any new blood....its a joke and we are going to come short if this continues!! Too much politics again in SA rugby rather than playing the much as we love our team, its flippin frustrating being a SPrinbok supporter...we're often brilliant but there is also so often so much rubbish going on!!

  • MTRJ - 2011-07-26 12:23

    It's funny when Jake speaks, you can just hear the sense it makes and what the man says really know....intelligent. Now listen to PDV and his ramblings, it makes you feel that he's completely out of his depth and does not make any sense at all. Jake just sounds more like a accomplished coach as opposed to PDV.

      Andre - 2011-07-26 12:46

      Agree with you but there are quite a few people in the coaching team. I think they are all a bit off track. - 2011-07-26 12:55

      Never won a game in NZ. Never played AB and Wallabies in 2007 WC. He got lucky. I'm still backing the Boks in this WC and if we are going to win it, we will have to beat the best in the world in your own back yard.

  • Maori - 2011-07-26 12:29

    Please Jake, you got lucky in 2007. You know it and the rest of the rugby world. Agree on picking the strongest team like the AB's doing right now - that builds momentum, getting combinations sharper and create a team spirit on-and-off the field. The reality is, the Saffas do not have depth and it clearly showed on Saturday. The AB's will use the game to streamline the game plan with the eye on the world cup. AB's by 35

      Andre - 2011-07-26 12:44

      Maori you might be right that we got lucky in 2007 but to win a world cup you must win all your games. We did. You did not. Unlucky for you. The same will go this year. If you lose one game and we win all ours then lucky for us again and unlucky for you. Maybe the format is wrong for a world cup. Maybe if the top 10 teams play in a league format then the top team can take the cup. That way you might win it at last.

      Maori - 2011-07-26 12:52

      @Andre, I agree with your comments relating to the format of the tournament. I hate the current format. I propose that the teams be grouped in accordance with the IRB rankings - all the top teams must play one another at some time during the competition. That will give credibility to the overall winner.

      Raka13 - 2011-07-26 12:53

      Funny that the French are so lucky in the World Cups?

      Raka13 - 2011-07-26 12:58

      Maori - one creates your own luck- and from a superb sportsman - the more you practice, the luckier you get

      Paul - 2011-07-26 13:05

      @Maori ... as far as I'm concerned the AB's have never won a World Cup 1987 if our Boks were playing Naas Botha was at his prime and he would have destoyed your AB's on his own .... So win a WC before you chirp us !!!

      Andre - 2011-07-26 13:11

      @Maori. I do agree with the format. A league type format would be much better played over a longer period. All the best teams plays each other. Good luck with this one.

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:15

      The Boks were accepted worldwide as the best team in the world in 2007 - how exactly did he get lucky? Remember the rush-defense being implemented - that the world then copied? Who came up with that approach? White knew what he was doing - period! As for depth - the Boks DO have it. But you have to know how to use it, and how to ease the backup guys into the main team. They are supposed to be part of the SAME Bok team - why treat them as two seperate ones??

      Gary - 2011-07-26 13:21

      At Maori, you cant say that it was luck..We had a great team and by this I mean staff and players and not administartors. The amount of people that tried to make Jake fail was ludacris. Yet he still over came all of this and helped us win a RWC. You guys dont have the political influence we do and wont understand it. PDV has been given carte blanche. The AB's have been the number one team in the world for longer than I can remember and you have not won since 1987. What is this bad luck or you were just not good enough on the day or month of the RWC.

      Kok - 2011-07-26 13:54

      Kyk, ek kan ook 'n WC wen as England en Argentinie die sterkte spanne is teen wie ek in die WC speel.

      Andre - 2011-07-26 14:32

      @Kok. Ten minste kan ons teen Frankryk wen ne. Hahaha.

      kosie - 2011-07-26 14:42

      @ maori: all the top teams play another top team in the quarters or semi's, it not Jake fault that the all blacks couldn't make it to the semi's. so how are we lucky. England beat the ausies and the french(who took the all blacks out). and we beat the english twice.

      kosie - 2011-07-26 14:45

      @ kok atleast those teams progressed further than the all blacks did.

  • Aldrich - 2011-07-26 12:35

    Jake White surrounds himself with people in the know - with Eddie Jones and George Gregan....he WILL turn the Brumbies around... The Bok Job should go to Eddie Jones - I think he is the only guy that can unlock the key to a potent SA backline..

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:16

      ...and the first thing he will do is select a flyhalf who takes less than 15 seconds to pass a ball, and who has the ability to pass to more than just 1st centre!!

  • stefan.strydom87 - 2011-07-26 12:37

    Jake you lost three out of four tests in the 2007 Tri-Nation, including the home test against the ABs with a full strength side. And we hardly won a test in 2006. So much for the winning culture in the build-up to the World Cup in 2007.

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:17

      With a full strength team?? Really?? Hmmm... I wonder why everyone is saying that PDV is copying Jake White then? Oh, because PDV just sent over a full strength team, hey!? Shame...

  • Kurt - 2011-07-26 12:39

    Jake forgets his own history just before the 2007 RWC... all and sundry were calling for his scalp.. and now, he is just part of the crowd and he forgot, so quickly.

  • Thami Fraser - 2011-07-26 12:40

    Jake speaks a good game. Lets see how he does with the Brumbies.

  • - 2011-07-26 12:44

    How many tries did the Ausies put past us when they won 49-0? Jake you are the stats man. "Answer me this"

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:21

      Not sure, but probably less than what the Boks scored against Aus the year after. 2006 we lost 49-0... 2007 we won 61-22. Its called learning lessons and doing something about it... - 2011-07-26 14:35

      Yes we won that game game and lost every other game in that TN.

      Marwaan - 2011-07-26 15:15

      Think grant is confusing 2007 with 1997...carel dup's team knocked the Aussie 61-22...jake lost both legs against Aussie in 2007...PdV's team beat Aus 53-8 in 2008...Jake should be the last talk about momentum. we only won one 3n game in 2007... - 2011-07-26 16:24

      This Marwaan guy knows his rugby hey. Grqant you can learn from him when stating "facts". PDV took a 49-0 losing team and changed it into a 53-8 winning team. I'm just quoting the numbers according to our local statistician.

  • - 2011-07-26 12:47

    Jake White is the biggest knob ever to be called ex-bok coach. Did Mallet and McKintosh call for his head when he lost almost every match especially the famous record 49-0?

      Jonathan - 2011-07-26 13:01

      True true...very true... Jake, we know you want your old job back, but that ship has sailed... I think PDivvy is an ok coach and definitely not without flaws. But the players need to take some of the blame for that hammering. How many missed tackles did we see in the game, how many fumbles and dropped passes. Basic skills that even school boys get right!

      Grant - 2011-07-26 13:22

      And the 61-22 win against the same team the year after? Taking a cr@p team and making it good - actual coaching, one might say...

      Marwaan - 2011-07-26 15:23 offense intended, but I suggest you do a quick bit of research into that scoreline you keep referencing...

  • FatherGoose - 2011-07-26 12:51

    Actively passing the ball to the opposition didn't help the Springboks either.

  • vinchainsaw - 2011-07-26 12:53

    Hypocrite has a short memory.

  • Anneleen - 2011-07-26 12:59

    Come Saturday, the Green and Golds will have another chance...go BOKKE!

      Andre - 2011-07-26 14:34

      @Anneleen. So moet n bek praat. Wen of verloor. Dis ons span en ons staan by hulle. In good times and in bad times.

      Anneleen - 2011-07-26 16:29

      @Andre...dankie vir jou kommentaar...met ons Springbok-baadjies staan ons by ons span!

  • mike mason - 2011-07-26 13:10

    For all those who didnt know,the guys that still support Joke White are ex-Jeppe Boys Students.Lol..I'm Not PDV greatest Fan,but he did win the series against the British Lions and for those are saying it wasnt his doin but the Players,Just remember who won the World Cup....YES not him,the Players or maybe Eddie Jones with the experience,remember guys the turn around came when Eddie arrived

      kosie - 2011-07-26 14:49

      but jake new that something had to be done, so he pulled eddie in a year before the world cup. not like pdv pulled in rassie 3 months before the world cup.

      Wayne - 2011-07-26 15:07

      It was pure will, guts and determination that got the Boks through with the series win against the Bristish and Irish Lions. The recipe had not changed one bit from the style of play and players used during White's era. The cracks are showing through and it's ugly...why...because nothing has changed in de Villiers tactics or willingness to adapt or change since he took over from White and this is his failure as a coach. The wins in 2009 were ugly yet a testament to the Boks will to win at all costs, and not because of de Villiers. de Villiers is STILL riding the wave of the Jake White era and that is why the Boks are losing. Jake White is just sitting back and cringing at the mess the affirmative coach is subjecting our talented players to. Their ball skills and game plan is disgraceful, the senior players are allowed to dominate the coach and the assistant coaches are's all very pear shaped and it's SARU's fault exclusively. They created this monster. Isn't it typical... - 2011-07-26 16:16

      I have to agree. Fourie Du Preez and Butch James suddenly became much better players when Eddie got involved.

      radar - 2011-07-26 23:11

      PDV should have a team capable of competing for #1 with All Blacks given the amount of talent available to the Boks the past 3 years - a great blend of experience and awesome talent the past 2 years - instead he has squandered and dithered with no clear definitive plan. 40 days to go to the World Cup and the team is in disarray - no cohesion and indication of whom will be playing in the key pivot and backline positions - he is hoping a thousand years of experience will win the Cup. Boks have won on sheer talent the past couple of years - certainly not great coaching or game plans!!. If he was such a great coach, why does he have to rely on John Smit AND Victor to make player selections and devise game plans!!! IMAGINE if Graham Henry were coaching the Boks and where they would be today - a dominating #1 in the world. Ask yourself if PDV would be employed by any other international team? SARU are responsible for the ongoing medicrity in SA rugby. Lets just hire the best coach for the position and restore the pride and winning to Bok RUGBY. With all the talent we just need some decent administrators and coaches and Bok rugby will be where it belongs.

  • Bill - 2011-07-26 13:13

    I cannot understand the moans and groans about Snorre. Surely one would expect that at this level he is not required to teach the players the basics of rugby and that was what was wrong on Saturday. The players must take responsibility for their defeat just as much and maybe more than the coach. Jake think that what he did was correct but remember the 2007 team had more time to recuperate after the tri nations than this years team and therefore I fully support Snorre's decission to rest the best and spare them for when it really matters.

  • Heinrich - 2011-07-26 13:14

    I think all of you criticizing Jake White should go do a bit of studying and learn what rugby is all about. When did he get on the Springbok scene??? Anyone of you know, that will be pre-1995, and he learned from another World Cup winning coach, Kitch Christie. Unlike you he lives rugby everyday of the week, not just on Saturdays.

  • remco mons - 2011-07-26 13:22

    Snorre should have replaced tiring and ageing players like Smit, Matfield, vd Linde, Burger, de Villiers and Habana and a few more injury prone overpaid players a year ago already. He could have introduced props, hookers, locks and centres and build up some momentum before this WC. Now we have a second rate B team with butterfingers on the ball-catching and tackling fronts...

  • mike mason - 2011-07-26 13:31

    @Paul, you spot on about PDV.he's record is much better than Joke White..For your comment.i say have a Bells Lol. @ Raka13 u must be Ex Jeppe Boys Pupil

  • ParaBat1 - 2011-07-26 13:35


  • - 2011-07-26 13:59

    99% of you guys called for Jake's head while he was coach. Those of you who say they didn't are lying to themselves.

  • Stuart - 2011-07-26 14:15

    Please let Morne Steyn, JS & Olivier get injured this weekend - save some face for the WC

  • Kurt - 2011-07-26 14:24

    Jake is not the coach anymore. He should just shut up and stop crying .... WHAAHHAAHA

  • Heinrich - 2011-07-26 14:45

    Did Mallet and McKintosh ever win a RWC???

  • MoSupporter - 2011-07-26 14:46

    Think back to pre RWC 2007, see any resemblance?We clearly forget how quick we wrote off Jake White back then, we can ONLY judge PDV the same way we did with JW after the RWC, and this goes to all of you who keep on comparing this and that and PDV took JW's winning team and this clown this and that ETC! Give the man chance,stop complaining all the bloody time!, its pathetic. Either support the Boks full heartedly (thats what true supporters would do) or take up knitting, because I know, for a fact, not everyone is writing off the Boks, like most of you so-called supporters do every single time...Come RWC time, I'll support my team, the MIGHTY SPRINGBOKS, and I will root for them till the end, and even after the RWC, win or loose, I dare any of you, to try it.

  • Christo Present - 2011-07-26 14:53

    Did you read his book. In that book you will learn who this Jake White really is. He is like a coward , even went to the president to plea for his job. 5 years after 2007 he can only find a real coaching job. If he was so good why did n't he got a high profile coaching job sooner ? And I don't think he will make a change at the Brumbies. Let him just shut his mouth and let PdV do his work.

  • TheDuck - 2011-07-26 15:18

    Last time I checked this man took a team ranked 6th in the world and made them Champions. That's a fact kids.

  • Marwaan - 2011-07-26 16:09

    Statistically the two are pretty well matched. Jake strikes at around 66% while PdV strikes at 62%. Record against NZ 4/9, Jake 3/9. AGAINST aus pdv 4/10, Jake 5/11. Against England pdv 2/2 (both away), Jake 5/7 (2 against weaker incoming tours teams). Ireland Jake 2/4, pdv 1/2. France pdv 1/2, jake 1/4. Their stats against the worlds top teams are virtually let's all give pdv his rwc opportunity first, then shoot our mouths off...

      Christo Present - 2011-07-26 17:24

      You forget that Pdiv won against the AB's in NZ. That is like they do in soccer equals to doublepoints

  • Rugganut - 2011-07-26 16:15

    The majority of you bloggers that are totally slating PDV decision to field a 'B' team in this blog and others, are forgetting that he had no choice to leave the first XV at home...they are injured!! This important point eludes you, judging by your comments

  • Michael - 2011-07-26 17:10

    Yes! SA Rugby did blow a golden chance. Not, the Springboks. They blew the chance to appoint Alister Coetzee as head coach. In fairness the Stormers didn't win again this year, however, they have been consistent in the past three years reaching the finals and semi-finals. Now I sorry, but if the coach and his staff had a row a few months back with Div phoning okes willy-nilly for help and are now forced to still work together. What will this accomplish?! They either put their differences aside and do it for the greater good, or its all going to go horribly wrong! I say, have no expectations. Then if we win we're happily surprised.If not, no disappointment. I don't mean not to support the Boks, because that I always do and urge everyone to do so too. But just take it with a pinch of salt. Also, there's barely anything to write about, so this is just a gap filler. Jake?! Puh-lease, put a sock in it! You won't get a job in SA let alone the Boks so long as this administration is there: Hoskins and Co.You burnt your bridges in your book and now tough takkie boet! Rather build your resumé further, gain intel from Oz and NZ and then come back and improve our game!

  • Gerhard - 2011-07-27 11:03

    Jake is right. 100%. We are literally busy screwing ourselves. We already knew (crusaders) that the Aussies had worked out how to scrum, and still we put in a B team. Jakes most important point, we will go into the RWC on the back of losses. That just makes it twice as hard to believe in yourself.

  • Khwaet Frank - 2011-07-27 11:36

    dedela abanye Jake. he sounds bitter

  • Bixonetix - 2011-07-27 11:43

    @Jake - shuttup en coach die Brumbies! Hoekom vra ons hom vir kommentaar? Is dit die pers se skuld dat hulle hom bly vra oor hoe hy dinge sou doen? of is dit hy wat news24 email met sy 2c worth? Wat maak dit saak wat Jake nou te se het? My vraag is: Hoekom hoor ons so min van Rassie?! Waar was hy Saterdag? Ek ruik 'n I&J...ietsie fishy!

  • KanaMay - 2011-07-27 15:07

    `If you are on the receiving end of losses . . . They've got to pick up a couple of wins before they get to the World Cup.': Surely with some senior players coming back for the last 2 games, Springboks can win at home, or did he mean they must win on the RWC ground? Surely the RWC group stage games can also help the Boks to gain the winning streak and get the combination details in top shape. Am I being too optimistic !?

  • Frans Smith - 2011-07-27 17:07

    QUESTION: if we had one of the best coaches in sa coaching the boks last three years (not PDV, because until he was appointed nobody rated him), where do you think bok rugby would be now...worse off or better off? i vote better off!

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-27 23:52

    Jake, you're the man, man! You did not do so well before the World Cup in 2007, either, so do not tell me your Bok team had momentum! What you lose sight of is that this year our players have played endless Super15 games and needed a rest. I suppose you would have been stupid enough to play players with injuries: get momentum in the tri-Nations and sit with numerous injured players in the RWC! That would have been brilliant! You got Eddie Jones and then got lucky! Funny talk from a coach who almost got sacked himself just before the RWC2007 and complained afterwards in his book about the lack of support he had! I suggest you coach the Brumbies. You have had your chance. (I am NOT a PdeV fan, but I can smell it a kilometer away when someone is blowing his own whistle!)

  • prudencejoy.claassen - 2011-07-28 18:54

    Jake can speak the coaching lingo but unfortunately he can''t coach. He can only perform with his sidekick Eddie leading the way! And he needs a fat checkbook to buy players instead of developing them!

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