Div lashes out at refs

2010-07-17 15:03

Wellington - Springboks coach Peter de Villiers lashed out at the standard of rugby Test referees Saturday and suggested cheating may be the only way to beat diverse law interpretations.

His outburst came after the Springboks suffered a second successive hiding from the All Blacks, losing the second Tri-Nations Test 31-17 after being beaten the previous week 32-12.

All Blacks coach Graham Henry was full of praise for new law interpretations which allowed the team in possession to win quick ruck ball and play an expansive, running game. As a result they scored eight tries in the two Tests.

But de Villiers was clearly not happy with the way his side had been hammered in the two Tests which were controlled by northern hemisphere referees.

"I'm frustrated at the moment," he said, denying his side had lost the form that won them the Tri-Nations championship last year and saw South African sides dominate the last two Super 14 competitions under southern hemisphere referees.

"We've played now six (Tests this year) and in six games we've had six different types of plays on the ground.

"We've got the same skills as last year when we won the Tri-Nations, we're used to playing with the new interpretations in the Super 14 and now in the six games we've played the law was a bit different on the ground."

De Villiers said he wanted a definitive answer from the powers who control the game on how to prepare for situations when the ball is on the ground.

"Because I don't like to prepare guys to cheat and it seems to me that's the only way going forward if you want to be on top of those kind of things and that's 70 percent of your game."

Springbok captain John Smit was more circumspect when questioned how he felt about All Blacks captain Richie McCaw escaping with repeated warnings but no yellow card for ruck infringements when the Springboks were on attack.

"I suppose if it had been my first year of playing against the All Blacks I'd be surprised, but it's not my first year."

But McCaw, often accused by visiting teams of getting lenient treatment from referees, defended Irish referee Alain Rolland.

"The ref allowed a good contest which was good and when we got under pressure I was guilty of giving away a couple of penalties," he said.

"I guess when you're under pressure like that you've got to try and get the decisions right and I thought the ref was pretty good.

"We knew where we stood. If you held your feet and got over the ball you got rewarded but if you got it wrong he was pretty hard on you. You've got to adjust as you go."

Victorious All Blacks coach Graham Henry, in contrast to de Villiers, also praised the way referees are officiating the new interpretations.

"The new interpretation of the tackle law has changed the game a lot. It allows you to get continuity of possession and to build to score points and the guys did that exceptionally well," he said.

"There were a couple of tries tonight that went through several phases and so it's been a major influence on how the game's being played now."


  • Doorboot - 2010-07-17 15:19

    I grew up with rugby, and had it in my blood for years. Now I watch 5 minutes of it and get sick. The rules are complex and interpretation change from game to game. If this is the way that rugby is going to go then be prepared for empty stadiums. I feel sorry for Div and the boys...

  • All Blacks. - 2010-07-17 15:22

    Bunch of freekin bad losers. Everytime the box lose,they blame everyone and everything. Start act like pro's,you are making your names ass. It must be the ref's fault also for all the missed tackles and knocks. Grow up you bad losers.

  • Paul JRH - 2010-07-17 15:29

    Ricky January, Brian Habana, Jean de Villiers, John Smith....your time is over. Pieter De Villiers...feel it, it is gone...the Jake White momentum is gone!!! Feel it it is here...Rugby World Cup 2011! We are not ready!

  • pukewatson - 2010-07-17 15:29

    Div, het 'n groot bek en min binnegoed, my oom is blind en kon laas jaar die tri wen daai span, Maar hierdie jaar het Div nie 'n scrumskakel nie, en gaan K@K, wees gereed, vir VERLOOR en VERLOOR.

  • Juan - 2010-07-17 15:31

    why does the IRB not just get it over & done with! Introduce the laws whereby AB are allowed to shoulder charge any way they wish & the opposing sides are only allowed to tackle them with nice soft shoulder pads. Allow them to play the ball on the ground & yellow players from opposing sides that dare do the same. I am so sick of NZ rugby that I do not even want to read or watch it anymore. Does the world need to watch these pre match barbarian rituals of theirs? Does the world need NZ rugby? It seems like the powers that be are hell bent in keeping them competitive!

  • morne - 2010-07-17 15:37

    sour grapes snorre. step up, the boks are not same as last year you'r living in a dream boy

  • @All Blacks - 2010-07-17 15:38

    Quarter Final 2007 World Cup cough cough cry cry CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE

  • Dusguted - 2010-07-17 15:40

    It has always been like this! The moment the Kiwi's & Aussie's can't win any more they need to change the rules to get back in the game!

  • Allblacks=Cheaters - 2010-07-17 15:44

    The Allblacks dropped the ball by not admitting the gross mistakes that was committed by a very poor ref. I alway though that the Allblacks had more pride than that! Clear favoritism. How much for Immunity Mccaw? Seems to tap someone with a boot is not allowed but shoulder charges are? If a fair contest was allowed it would have been a different story.

  • Slippery Slug - 2010-07-17 15:45

    Maybe someone should coach De Villiers on his couching skills and the new rules. It looks like the AB know all about what's allowed and what isn't, so perhaps there are some things to be learned from them, regardless of pride. :)

  • Bok - 2010-07-17 15:48

    @ALL Blacks, u only say that because u getting the run of the green, the ref had a huge part to play in the AB's win and u know it. A yellow card for nothing then when Mcaw trips January nothing happens, Rangers shoulder charge, Mcaw had several warnings for slowing the ball down but again no card, COME ON it goes on and on, u need to wake up and get real and start playing the game fairly, where did the NZ teams shape in the super 14 with good Southern hemisphere refs, we only wing when its right, the KIWI's are one permanent winge

  • @ all you All Black cheats!!! - 2010-07-17 15:50

    Without your cheating ref you would never have been able to win todays game. If that is how you win then you should be ashamed. At least admit thatRolland was returning the 2004 Paul Honis favour to Ireland and that without him as player 16 you wouldn't have won - have some honour!!!!! To SA officials - you must do something about this, have Rolland suspended for 9 matches please and a public apology from the IRB and it's lead ref Paddy O'Brien.

  • Rod - 2010-07-17 15:53

    Typical of this brain dead half breed with a speech and height impediment.You pick januarie you will lose. But his job is safe. He was chosen because of skin and not skill.

  • Go bokke - 2010-07-17 15:56

    @ All Blacks, mate I remember not so long ago when you were whining about a certain British Ref! When a ref spoils a game with bad calls or one sided views it ruins the game for a true rugby follower irrespective of who wins or loses.

  • Andy - 2010-07-17 15:56

    Is this the beginning of the unravelling of Jake's Machine..............?

  • @all blacks - 2010-07-17 15:58

    tell me why is your mr rene grainger not cited??? that was far worse than JdV tackle...what about mr thorne tackle on John Smit a few years many weeks did he get????that was far worse than what bakkies did ,at least the cheat cowan stood up afterwards...John smit was sidelined for a while......what about the cynical tackle by umaga an meealamu against o'driscoll a few years many weeks did they get????you see a pattern mr all black......???you guys get away with a hell of a lot....tell me why????? It's about time somebody start looking at all these inconsistencies that is happening in rugby....

  • Bok supporter - 2010-07-17 15:59

    There are 30 guys playing in a game to the same rules Doorpoort. The back-line Div chose is like calling Piet Retief to fight the war today in Irak, please lets be realistic, putting a scrumhalf from yesterdays forgotten and someone weiing 70kg in the backline against a 95kg enemy?????? Where is the advertised depth all of a sudden, maybe the dig too deep and forget aboout the latest season of players who won all the cups.

  • Jakes - 2010-07-17 16:02

    Dear "All Blacks", go and hump yourself, we don't complain if it was a fair game, but this was the worst I have seen in a long, long time, from the yellow card, AB's crawling over the looseball, to endless warnings for professional fowls to your captain from which nothing came. You are becoming like the Aussies, whining about everything. We will meet again, then don't cry if the referee is doing a proper job, because then McCrawl will end up with a red card.

  • Andrew - 2010-07-17 16:02

    It's funny how when the opposition coach complains about the ref they're called whingers by the SA press. But when the SA coach complains it's all sweetness and light.. Nice objectivity there South African media!!!

  • Kaspaas @ All Blacks. - 2010-07-17 16:02

    There is a difference between bad losers and not accepting mediocrity. At this level, one player off the field makes a huge difference. McCaw had 2 final warnings, where he should have been yellow carded. Ranger's tackle on Kirchner, if that was Butch James on McCaw, New Zealanders would have shouted murder and asked for James to be banned for years. Double standards dont you think. Nag ou grote

  • hyena - 2010-07-17 16:05

    rugby still been played ? thought they killed the 'sport' years ago ?

  • @ All Blacks - 2010-07-17 16:05

    its Boks.... Cant even spell down under let alone identifying a cheating captain!!

  • random - 2010-07-17 16:05

    It was pretty clear that that game had glaringly inconsistent reffing decisions. He was very easy on the AB's and unfaily harsh on the Boks. So sure, Graham and McCaw would praise him. But I must say well done to the AB's, they had a cracking open game and deserve to win that one. Bring back Steyn for 15, bench Januarie and Olifier. Bring on Pinaar and the Hoff, and put Hogaard on the wing.

  • raga paul - 2010-07-17 16:08

    DIV should stop complaining and start getting his squad selection correct. De Jong is our best centre, he should be playing. Jean de Villiers is tooooo slow for wing, get Aplon involved.And surely everyone could see what a great impact a good fast (not overweight) scrumhalf can have on the game. Get Ruan involved!! DIV get your starting lineup correct before complaining.

  • blou bul - 2010-07-17 16:11

    Hail to the victorious AB's, like i said all week, as long as overweight hasbeens are playing the boks will be smashed week after week. Don't blame the ref, the boks played KAK AGAIN!!!!

  • koos - 2010-07-17 16:15

    Oh, come on Div, always blame everybody else but yourself and the team! Accept it that your team was outplayed two games in a row! If Carter didn't kick that k*8k, the score would have been much higher. Why don't you look at your k*k choices (and you know bloody well who they are!) and your outdated game plan - if one can call it a game plan at all!

  • Bok supporter - 2010-07-17 16:15

    Are we all missing the point here? 2 or 3 mistakes, even if they were red carded would not have changed the outcome. The Boks are just not what they (Or as Div claim - "we have depth") what we saw in the provincial games. Div`s head became too big, its back to the drawing board for him. Some players you never saw standing out in the S14 suddenly galloped out in the Green and Gold????

  • sean - 2010-07-17 16:16

    Ref was pathetic , BUT BUT BUT , Bokke were even more pathetic !! PDV , you see what happens if you try ``your`` team , remember one of these days you will have to select your own team and not Jake Whites team anymore , what then ??? PDV you not a rugby coach , just a political puppet and you are beginning to prove it , lol ! Well done All Blacks !

  • iceman1982 - 2010-07-17 16:17

    Hier kom die suurgat bokke nou uit...Maybe its not the ref. Maybe the Boks have not evolved their game to what is allowed and what is not allowed in todays game. Thats what happens when you are one dimensional. Morne Steyn is nie n flyhalf se gat nie. Bokke(South Africa) needs a flyhalf. haha, and they said he's in the same class as Carter. What a laugh.... one thing is certain, and that is that the boks miss FDP(#9).

  • longstuds - 2010-07-17 16:18

    all you blokes gotta agree...yellow card for a few handbags being swung around early on in the game....rediculous refing interpretation, this ref got it badly wrong. we all just want to see a good game of rugby and may the best team win....if brad thorn was sent off for 10 minutes for the same little incident the fans at the ground would have gone bonkers. an international rugby team cannot operate without a lock foward on the paddock for 10 minutes.

  • koos - 2010-07-17 16:20

    Oh, come on Div, always blame everybody else but yourself and the team! Accept it that your team was outplayed two games in a row! If Carter didn't kick that k*8k, the score would have been much higher. Why don't you look at your k*k choices (and you know bloody well who they are!) and your outdated game plan - if one can call it a game plan at all!

  • the little cherub - 2010-07-17 16:21

    The road to success in any profession is to keep the HEAD HONCHO happy and, in this instance, HIS name is o'Brien from you-know-where. Rolland was just polishing his marble with the boss...........'Nuf said!

  • Impi - 2010-07-17 16:24

    Braaivleis, soccer, sunny skies and Cheverolet, ons surrgatte, bad losers, het dit alles in die Republiek !! Well gedaan Meester All Blacks !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • LS - 2010-07-17 16:26

    Peter de Villiers should stop being a whiner, it is painful to hear. The All Blacks gave the Boks a thumping twice in a row. If de Villiers is unable to understand the rules and coach the team accordingly then he should employ staff who do or resign. Excuses are not going to improve the Boks game, they need to suck it up and get on with it.

  • john - 2010-07-17 16:28

    I don’t think it is necessary to be angry at the referee in this match or for the last six matches . The Bulls and stormers enjoyed the best of the SA referees the entire super 14.The bulls had 13 SA refs from the 15 games they played and the stormers 10 from 15 This sometimes gives a misperception of who is good and who is not and what rules we play. The referee luckily did not penalized SA in the scrum because steenkamp stands up and go inwards or outwards in each scrum. Let this be a wakeup call for SA…..

  • BLOUBUL - 2010-07-17 16:30

    Geez guys i thought the ref was good. But its clear there are a whole bunch of sore loser bok fans and the coach as well. If the ref so called ref'd neutrally would we have beaten the All Blacks?? I doubt it. If we're playing the same rugby, i.e. Up and under why isn't it working? its because the All Blacks improved that facet of their game, give the credit where it is due. Now let's focus on not getting a hiding from the Aussies.

  • Desert Sky - 2010-07-17 16:34

    @All Blacks.Something in your comment,I guess it's your spelling and grammatically incorrect sentences,tells me you must be a government worker that supports The All Blacks.

  • blou bul - 2010-07-17 16:34

    kan iemand net vir die ou helluim n' papsak of twee gee sodat die kuipie homself kan gaan dooddrink?

  • derek - 2010-07-17 16:41

    We arrived in NZ far to over confident and have not played good rugby at all, whereas the AB's came to the party trained and prepared. We cannot complain about the ref, remember how the Crusaders were robbed against the Bulls. We really are sounding like a bunch of whingers and bad losers.

  • James - 2010-07-17 16:43

    Hey Boks, adapt or die. If you and your 'coach' can't get your heads around the new rules then there is no hope. Stop winging. Yes, there was bad ref decisions make no mistake but on the day the best team won.

  • FC - 2010-07-17 16:44

    Face it the AB were better and out-played us, the ref made a few mistakes but Danie was quilty, but it is the way they teach them to play at the Bulls, SA refs let the Bulls players get away with murder and then we want to cry when International refs penalise them, Div need to get rid of the dead wood in the team, this team will not make the finals in the WC next year

  • Love Africa - 2010-07-17 16:44

    I agree the new laws allow for faster ball, but the All Blacks never rolled away and lay all over the ball. This didn't allow the springboks to quick ball. It was terrible and annoying, And Now De Villiers sited for a dangerous tackle but Ranger gets nothing for a high shoulder charge.

  • Jack - 2010-07-17 16:45

    No problem - Get another COACH !

  • Boogieman - 2010-07-17 16:45

    You win some, you lose some. The Boks need to show some character to turn this around. We cannot always blame the ref – yes he was absolutely crap!! (maybe a understatement – but there will still be many games where the referee quality is below par – we need to adjust our game plan in situations like this – adapt and pick up the urgency that’s lacking. Good learning’s for next year’s world cup! As Naas said this morning – at least we are not peaking too early. This is one for the memory bank we surprise them with a 36 – 0 in their back yard next year (we know this can be done) PS – how can Jean Div be sighted for a dangerous tackle and not Ranger?

  • Jeff Aucamp - 2010-07-17 16:47

    The All Blacks are allowed to blatantly cheat,this is allowed by a team of match officials with zero integrity. Mind you,integrity is sadly lacking in the IRB in general.

  • Jyks - 2010-07-17 16:47

    Danie Rossouw yellow for 'touching' McCaw's cheek.... McCaw 3 'final warnings' and still no yellow card? WTF? All Blacks are impressive though. Get rid of Januarie, Meisie (Olivier) and Nakkie die Nar (Kirchner) and Boks will win again.

  • GeePMB - 2010-07-17 16:55

    One question: why must the PLAYERS give in to the poor interpretation by referees? Every game has the ref doing his own interpretation of the rules and the players have to "adapt" each week! The citing procedure is just as bad. Jean DeVilliers did not dump Ranger, he actually tried to break his fall but the citing commissioner deemed it illegal, yet Raangers armless tackle on Kirchner goes unpunished!

  • boknaai - 2010-07-17 16:57

    its amazing how the AB supporters cannot see the wood from the trees with referees. No genuine RUGBY supporter can accept ref decisions that we saw today. Its like reading comments from a junior school supporter instead of a country. Does not suprise me.

  • Andre - 2010-07-17 17:03

    if Pienaar was on from the start, it was the boks all the way. why do the best scrum half in the world never play and way must he play most of the time at number 10, love rugby, but don't understand. No wonder he wants to play his rugby in dark England.

  • Claude - 2010-07-17 17:04

    PdeV. found out. Despite the blatant one sided refereeing the All Blacks deserved the win. DeVilliers prepared his team yet again with the wrong tactics. Lets get rid of him before it is too late for the World Cup.