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Div can improve on Jake

2010-07-28 22:30

JJ Harmse

Pretoria – The signs are there … but Springbok supporters should hope the team’s coach, Peter de Villiers, does not follow in the footsteps of his predecessor this year.

The statistics of De Villiers and Jake White currently look very similar, but with three games left in this year’s Tri-Nations, De Villiers can still improve on White’s performances.

Both coaches achieved a winning percentage of 69,23% (13 played and nine won) in their first year and were successful in  their second year as coaches with a winning percentage of 66,67% (12 played and eight won).

Whereas De Villiers has had a success ratio of 57% in his third year, White achieved only 41%. The Springboks won only five out of 12 Tests in 2006.

With three Tests against the All Blacks and Australia coming up and a Grand Slam tour later this year, the chances are slim that De Villiers will fare as badly as White.

An analysis of the two coaches’ careers at the highest level also shows interesting statistics on the claims that De Villiers is achieving success with “White’s team”.

White only had four of the 38 Springboks that became internationals under him in his starting line-up for the World Cup final in 2007. They were JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Bryan Habana and Fourie du Preez.

Eleven of the players were therefore not White’s “products”.

For his part, De Villiers had three of the 24 new Springboks under him in his starting line-up for Saturday’s Test in Brisbane. They were Zane Kirchner, Gio Aplon and Morné Steyn.

Seven of the Brisbane team became Boks under White. They are Habana, Wynand Olivier, Ruan Pienaar, Pierre Spies, Ryan Kankowski, BJ Botha and Gurthrö Steenkamp.

Statistics show that both coaches did well on transformation.

Sixteen of White’s 38 new Springboks were players of colour (42%) , while 11 of De Villiers’s 24 (46%) fall into that category.

Both coaches have won the Tri-Nations once, but are otherwise not performing well in the competition.

White’s team won seven out of 17 Tri-Nations games, while De Villiers boasts seven wins from 15.

With the World Cup being played in New Zealand next year, one also has to examine the coaching records there:

The Springboks never won there in four years under White and the average score against them was 18-31.

However, the 2007 team was without 20 senior Boks.

De Viliers’s team has played in New Zealand five times and won twice, with an average score of 20-28.

White’s four defeats in New Zealand included three scores of 30 or more points against the Boks. In 2005 the Boks lost 27-31, in 2006 the score was 17-35 and in 2007 it was 6-33.

De Villiers’s defeats in 2007 were almost similar: 12-32 and 17-31, with the score 8-19 in the 2008 Wellington defeat.
 
Players that became Boks under White:

Henno Mentz, Fourie du Preez, Jacques Cronjé, Eddie Andrews, Gerrie Britz, Hanyani Shimange, Tim Dlulane, Solly Tyibilika, Gurthrö Steenkamp, Michael Claassens, Bryan Habana, Jongi Nokwe*, Tonderai Chavhanga, Ricky Januarie, Gary Botha, Meyer Bosman, Wynand Olivier, Johan Muller, Akona Ndungane, JP Pietersen, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Pierre Spies, BJ Botha, Ruan Pienaar, Bevin Fortuin, Jaco Pretorius, Frans Steyn, Kabamba Floors, Waylon Murray, Luke Watson, Bismarck du Plessis, Jannie du Plessis, Peter Grant, Heinke van der Merwe, Ryan Kankowski, Wian du Preez*, Barend Pieterse*, Tiaan Liebenberg*.
(* did not play in tests).

Players that became Boks under De Villiers:

Andries Bekker, Brian Mujati, Tendai Mtawarira, Odwa Ndungane, Schalk Brits, Adriaan Strauss, Heinrich Brüssow, Earl Rose*, Morné Steyn, Zane Kirchner, Heini Adams*, Juan de Jongh, Francois Hougaard, Riaan Viljoen*, Alistair Hargreaves, Ashley Johnson*, Bandise Maku, Dewald Potgieter, Davon Raubenheimer*, Jean Deysel, Gio Aplon, Bjorn Basson, Francois Louw, Flip van der Merwe.
(* did not play in tests).

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Comments
  • green supporter - 2010-07-28 22:48

    Lets just remember that Div has inherited a winning, structured, experienced team....Jake set those structures in place and set the benchmark for a formidable team. Div has not moved with the times as we can see and as Jake has correctly pointed out. He is struggling with team selection and is constantly buggering up substitutions at critical times in each game....for eg. the Lions tour. Are you blind to see what Jake did for SA rugby??!!!

  • Pierre - 2010-07-28 22:52

    The argument is that Jake White had a plan in place. Div have no plan! The Springboks progressed under Jake White and the foundations that he laid was the reason that Div was successful. We wil see in the next year if Div have any plan in place. The only problem is that when we discover that he have no plan it would be to late because the 2011 world cup would have started already. You can see how he depent on John Smith and Victor Matfielt. They are world class players but not coaches!

  • andre carlos - 2010-07-28 22:58

    I wonder where White was getting his players from,surely Div got players from the White era but so what they are quality test players and just so you know they are/were good players but time change and the quality of rugby and players change and whoever is the coach even if he picks 15 white players as n person of colour I will supprt the Boks , that is my team. We so easily forget that the AB and the Ozzies are good teams too and they want to win just like we wants the boks to win and I am so greatful fot the abovemention stats, Its going to be a good game between the New Zealand and Australia.

  • mike - 2010-07-28 23:18

    Jake was picking team with the WC in mind and resting players, remember his 3rd year he picked a C team in some regards to travel. Div is picking his strongest team for all the games and is still getting his ass handed to him. Where the plan, if it was our second stength team and we where resting guys maybe he'd get some slack. Bottom line is also he took over a succesfull team where as Jake took over a crap team. So comparing them is useless.. Div is useless, Jake or Heyneke need to try come to our rescue.

  • South African - 2010-07-28 23:26

    This is the first enjoyable and unbiased column i have ever read from JJ Harmse. I beg to ask the question what structures did JW put in place. He has been justifiably been made out to be a Hero only because he won the WC by not playing the best teams in the world but i also say a win is a win. But this column proves that PD's record as bok coach is far better than JW's and if JJH can do another article on prior experience it will also prove that PD was better qualified for the job. Green support u ask does PD have a plan? He was trying to get the Boks to play the type of rugby the Kiwis are playing now when he started the job as he new the so called structure of Kick and Chase rugby was dying but guys like U and GAVIN RICH was calling for he's head and demanding the structured rugby JW put in place.and where has that gotten us? NOTE THIS IS FROM A PROUD COLOURED SOUTH AFRICAN WHO DID NOT MAKE USE OF THE RACE CARD TO PROVE MY POINT :)

  • WAKE UP PDV - 2010-07-28 23:32

    THE WHOLE WORLD CAN SEE PDV MISTAKES IN TEAM SELECTION THIS YEAR,YET HE FAILS TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT..WHY?HE IS TOO STUBBORN TO PLAY THE GAME PLANS OF BOTH WINNING SUPER 14 STRUCTURES THAT THE PLAYERS ARE USED TO,AND PLAY THE GUYS IN THEIR CORRECT POSITIONS.IF HE CHOSE THE BEST 15 PLAYERS IN THEIR CORRECT POSITION WE WOULD BE WINNING!! COME ON PDV WAKE UP!!

  • Wouter - 2010-07-28 23:40

    Hoop jul verstaan afrikaans. Ek stem nie saam met die statistieke nie, dit is op papier en geskiedenis. Div moes na Jake, se uittree, met meer nuwe talent voor 'n dag gekom het, Jake was ook nie ons land se beste afrigter, ek glo steed Nick Mallet is die ou met die beste rekord, kyk ook na Italia se vordering. Ek glo ook aan 'n span kombinasie, en individu, wat uitblink en in goeie vorm is. Enige afrigter, is verplig om jong nuwe talent op te raap langs die pad, wil baie duidelik stel, dat John Smit, regtig, verby sy tyd is, al het hy leierskap, en dieselfde met Mattfield, al het hy kennis in die lynstaan, dit baat nie die span as hul nie kan voorvat in die spel as spelers nie. 'n Kaptein is 'n ou wat voor vat, en sy spel ook daarmee saam. Onthou een ding, dis die ouens se beroep, dis hul werk, soos ek en jy elke dag beplan en hard werk, doen hul dit vir 'n lewe. Vir hul om as span en hardwerkende rugby spelers as beroep, so sleg te vaar in die Drienasies, beteken die afrigter moet die skuld kry, dit ingevolge die span wat nie goed genoeg is, en om die regte mense te kry, wat beter is as die wat hy tans het. As ek 'n span moet kies, vir SA, sal 50% van die span op my veld ook wees. Maar waar is F. Steyn? Wat het van hom geword, net omdat hy kwaad is oor die medic wat ingestap het in kleedkamer terwyl hy stort, het hy mos besluit hy speel nie weer vir ons, en die media weet nie daarvan nie???! Wie het uitgeblink in die Tri Nations: S. Burger, P. Spies, B. Habanna, CJ. V Linde, G. Steenkamp, F. Louw, J. Fourie, M. Steyn, die res, vergeet van hulle, dink aan ander. Kyk asb. mooi na die Currie Bekker, kies op meriete, nie ras, en vat nou die beste op papier ouens, en maak hul solank bokke vir 2011 RWC. Dit werk so, klaar, ek gaan nie oorlog toe met ouens wat nie die beste is, as die oorlog op jou voorstoep is. Nie eers kop dokters sal die ou manne in tyd reg kry vir die RWC van die span, al het hul die vorige oorlog gewen, beteken nie hul is goed genoeg vir die volgende oorlog. (AL VRA DIE REGERING GAAN OORLOG TOE MET 46% WAT NIE BLANK IS, MERIETE ASB!) Indien ons afrigter wil goeie raad hê, moet tog nie Jake White nader nie, hardloop reguit na Nick Mallet asb. (Of na my toe)

  • To the point - 2010-07-29 00:07

    The first three contributors have summarised it well. Mr Harms, we must be careful how we use statistics. You can try and prove anything that you want to. But there are many more factors that contribute to a context than stats. 80% of people who have gone blind have eaten tomatoes in their lives, 92% of people who have died in car accidents, 74% of people who have died of heart attacks etc have all eaten tomatoes. Do we conclude that eating tomatoes is bad for you. The statistic you quote are too loose. I will say, bring back White so that he can leave a good heritage for his next predecessor again.

  • Snorre - 2010-07-29 00:14

    Jake had the sense to enlist Eddie Jones after which the squad showed a remarkable improvement. Jake took a team that was in tatters after Staaldraad and went through a whole lifecycle in the rebuilding process. Snorre inherited a world class team both at U 21 level and the Boks. The two finalists in Super 14 provide the bulk of his team, thus the best raw material. The biggest travesty in all of this, is that a real world class coach in Heyneke Meyer got sacrificed on the altar of transformation for this clown. You are not comparing apples with apples JJ!!!

  • Tommygun - 2010-07-29 00:25

    Jake White created a Rolls Royce from a Volkwagen Beetle, but I am afraid the way Div is going he is going to turn that Rolls Royce into a Dung Beetle. I had high hopes for him but it looks like the wheels are comming off.He and his staff have three weeks to make some bold decisions and give the faithfull followers a glimmer of hope.

  • Antonie - 2010-07-29 00:48

    White was also under constant political presure, something Div does not have to worry about. Jake has build a team from scratch. Pieter? I had lot's of confidence in Pieter in the beginning. But he is starting to dissapoint with what seems to be, no plan, and team choices. Januarie? I am suprised he hasn't pushed Earl Rose in to the team yet. And ai JJ! Jy skryf hier ook maar net so baie str*nt soos in/op Rapport. Volg jou base rugby?

  • glennm - 2010-07-29 00:49

    Please there is no ways you can compare the two. Jake is way ahead when it comes to coaching and being in charge of winning teams. Did he he not take the world championship with the junior boks as well when he was paired with Naas. Yes Pdv did win the TriN but with the Jake White squad. As the players of that era start to retire or leave sprinkbok rugby you will see or have noticed that we are not that good anymore. Hence the change in management and coach and start now with the building of next years world cup. And why not have a look at our talent scouts....have they to not failed. The 'townships' is full of raw and brilliant talent but do these scouts go there...NO. So maybe an overhall of the entire system is needed from the top to the bottom. And keep polictics out of our sport. You dont find the NZ or Aus government dictating who must be in the team.

  • hang in there Div - 2010-07-29 01:02

    Mr Div, hang in there and make as much money as possible then resign, you wl never win these boers hearts, if you win its because of JW team, if you loose its because you no good coach. Let JW take the job again, guess they think he is a Alex Fergusson of springboks, springboks are not invincible, whether they are coached by PdV or JW or Julius Malema, like any great team, there wl b good and bad spells,issue here is colour full stop.

  • Paul Grant - 2010-07-29 01:23

    Apart from Morne who became springboks under PDV, none of them are any players of note. In fact even Morne was not coached by PDV but rather the bulls. However JW brought some good players into the picture. Of note is that only one of PDV players actually play for the boks while the majority of them are inherited from the JW era. In afrikaans we have a saying "hy ploeg met n ander man se osse"

  • Neilson - 2010-07-29 01:45

    There's on calculation error: Sixteen of White’s 38 new Springboks were players of colour (42%) , while 11 of De Villiers’s 24 (46%) I know of another player that was in White's team due to colour, Luke Watson. Unlike the other players of colour, he did not deserve the green and gold.

  • Wolf - 2010-07-29 02:41

    Whatever JJ Harmse, how much is the ANC paying you to publish this article. Fact of the matter is that Jake White had those figures with players that where unknown internationally. Those players are superstars today because of the structures and believe Jake White had in them. Any div dick and gary knows it. All these statistics means nothing. Without Jake White Div would have nothing.

  • scorpion - 2010-07-29 02:44

    good informative article jj.div will become greater than white.lost my respect for jake this past week after he behaved like an prostitute,soliciting pdv's job.

  • Houston - 2010-07-29 02:45

    no to mention the obvious - Div is the laughing stock of world rugby and is an embarassment to the Springboks. He is taking our national pride and flushing it down the toilet in public. Surely this cannot continue

  • danie - 2010-07-29 02:55

    J J Harmse has completely missed the issue. Jake White picked up the pieces of a situation that was so bad that one could hardly described it as a Springbok team. Div inherited the rugby world champions Jake White has made. It is amaizing that sports writers can be so superficial with their assessments. One could clearly see the gradual deterioration of the Springboks as the new and often talented players joined the Boks and suffred from poor coaching.

  • Jon - 2010-07-29 03:38

    PDV inherited a team that came stone last in the 2007 3N and who got not one but two incredibly lucky breaks in the 2007 RWC when other teams did the Boks a massive favour by removing their two biggest threats : Australia and NZ. Without those two lucky breaks,the Boks would not have won the RWC and Jake's coaching legacy would have looked not much better than Straueli's huge stuff-up. Jake got lucky. Very,very lucky. He was a poor coach with a 66% record -- same as Peter de Villiers's. And PDV is a poor coach too. Graham Henry has an 81% record and he has no RWC. But he's an excellent coach.

  • john - 2010-07-29 03:46

    At least in White's era there were discipline on the field. The game plan were there, sometimes it didn't work but there was a plan - and what happened - WE WON THE WORLD CUP. The only thing Div will win is the Best Dress Cup or Talking the most S*@t Trofee.

  • siohpo - 2010-07-29 04:08

    nick mallet got his players from carel du plessie........once the seed is planted, someone still needs to water them....... p.s. we are going to moere the aussie in pretoria - watch this space ek se!

  • Dave - 2010-07-29 04:24

    @"Green supporter". You don't have your stats bro. Div won the first two test of the Lion Tour and could effort changes in the last test. The question to other comments is not : from which era a coach gets his players from, but rather who he could develop the current players in the squat. Problem areas are injuries to "key players" in "key positions" and often it takes time to replace them with players with equal abilities. Other concerns for the RWC next year is the "aging" of players(+32) and time "running out" to find replacements. Other factors is getting the players' heads "straight," and the right attitude ... Div's statistics look better than that of White.

  • JI - 2010-07-29 05:10

    What all the statistics don't show is the differences in both coaches abilities to strategies, plan and then achieve. The ability to put in place a three year strategy, select players according to the strategy, manage them and achieve the goal is what we had in JW and what I believe is lacking in PdV's make-up. It's totaly different story to take over a winning team and when the core of that team reaches its expiry date the coach is (1) not able to anticipate and recognise it (2) lack a succession strategy to maintain a winning formula (3) inable to anticipate and adabpt to changes in the game. At that level of coaching, those who's responsibility it is to appoint the national coach should have taken such issues into account, and that is where they failed our country and the Springbok brand for the sake of a political appointment. Unfortunately these political experiments will remain with us for the time being, because those powers to be don't have rugby's interests at heart, but political agendas and as long as that remains the case South Africa will continue the slide into mediocrity. And we will only reach mediocrity because of the pride the players (those chosen on merit) have and not because of the ability to coach.

  • Luke - 2010-07-29 05:20

    JJ, you sound like you have been hired by SARU to write this article, in order to bolster public support for the this clown who is masquerading as a Bok coach! These "stats" won't fool - or impress any of us. The fundamental difference here is that Div inherited a group of world champs, whereas, Jake inherited a bunch of losers, but managed to turn them into winners. Div is doing the complete opposite!

  • Stone Cold - 2010-07-29 05:29

    JJ Harmse ou boet..... when people say Div has the Jake White team they are referring to the game plan & structures that were in place, not just the players. Now that the laws & rules have changed, Div just simply has nooooo idea on how to adapt and create news structures & game plans going forward!!

  • DJ - 2010-07-29 05:38

    And who won with the public and press? Which coach handled the difficult but integral part of public relations the best? Has the Springbok brand global acceptence improved / grown favourably under Div as it did with Jake. These (almost as important as winning) are important issues.

  • Bob - 2010-07-29 05:40

    I dont want to be right on this BUT - Jake took them from strength to strength & it looks as if 'ol Pete is taking them down hill. I hope that he proves us all wrong! Come on guys, you can ALL do the green 'n gold proud!

  • slg - 2010-07-29 05:42

    The analogy is a bad one. PDV inherited a team of excellent players who were largely gelled together by White. Not that I think White should be reappointed. I don't. Rather, we must follow the established measuring sticks: select the coaching and management team that have won the Super 14 and have a proven track record in the Currie Cup. Duh! How hard do we want to make it on ourselves? Why are we being brain-dead? We are heading for a repeat of the 2003 World Cup. The pattern is obvious.

  • Stats, stats,stats - 2010-07-29 05:46

    Is the Burger Bloggers on the payroll now? Seems like Blouste Blou, WillieN, Lukas Toebroodjie, Stormy in a teacup and Huga de d@@s are involved with these stats. Stats do not mean a thing. In most cases it all depends on circumstances. I definitely DONT want Jake the sly snake back but we can surely do a lot better than de Villiers! JJ will start defending Snorre now because he finally realises that if Snor goes so will BB passengers like Spies, Olivier, Kirchner, Bakkies and a few others as well! Funny that however you look at their selections their top 5 most idiotic selections were ALL quota selections. Wonder how Henry will do if he HAVE TO select 8 players out of 22 from a specific area and/or race!? WHITE’s top 5 clowns Tim Dlulane, Bevin Fortuin, ChilliBOY, Solly Tyibilika and Shimange. Now for SNORRE’s top 5 clowns.....Earl Rose, Devon Raubenheimer, Ashley Johnson, Heine Adams and Bandise Maku. Funny that of the 10 players above 3 is hookers...ok not at Teazers in the Bok team! Both coaches protected John Smit by putting a useless token on the bench.Isnt it a shame that these players were actually selected to represent their country? Maybe some of them were/still is GOOD ENOUGH to play international rugby but THE BEST at any given time....you’re dreaming mate! Now I am a racist am I? Whatever!

  • slg - 2010-07-29 05:57

    This is a story of a strong brand being ravaged by misadministration, mismanagement, and miscoaching.

  • Hein - 2010-07-29 05:59

    I think journalists, like JJ, at News24 actually write these articles purely because of the entertainment value they generate in the comments. What a pot of snot!

  • Martin - 2010-07-29 06:21

    A statistion is someone who has his head in the deep freeze and his feet in an oven and maintains on average he feels fine. Nuff said

  • victor - 2010-07-29 06:25

    In his dreams( a boer maak a plan and a coloured maak a joint)

  • Emile - 2010-07-29 06:35

    PDV is no coach. End of story. He has the most talented side ever and currently looks like school boys. His selections were absolutely shocking, especially the application of his bench. It clearly shows this clown has no clue about rugby. Why do you think the whole world (players and coaches) has a go at this joker?

  • Mike - 2010-07-29 06:42

    BS !!!! PdV will never come close to Jake. Dont talk crap !!!! Bozo must be fired and he must take Bryan Habana with him. GO ALL BLACKS !!!!!!

  • Roy - 2010-07-29 06:43

    Remember we only showed improvement when Eddie Jones joined the coaching staff.

  • Roy - 2010-07-29 06:52

    Remember we only showed improvement when Eddie Jones joined the coaching staff.

  • Lionel - 2010-07-29 06:59

    So JJ Harmse, whats your point? Pieter de Villiers is still a clown and an embarrsement. Do you have the score card between De Villiers and White on the embarrasement front? On another issue, it was commonly known that the relationship between Jake White and Oregan Hoskins was not one where they would send Christmas cards to one another. Hoskins will always side with De Villiers because they one of a kind and both where political appointments.

  • Michael - 2010-07-29 07:02

    Stats are easy to manipulate. Old Snor took over a winning Bok team plus this year 2 teams in final of S14. What as he got to show for this right now. Looking at the last 3 losses old Snor does not have a game plan or a back up to win.

  • anon - 2010-07-29 07:28

    How can you use statistics to compare 2 different people, there is absolutely no bases and no measures to implement.2 people from different backgrounds, different culture, different concepts. Except for Div inherited a winning team and has tried to ride the success wave of White. He has kept the same players who are past their use by date.

  • oNEtIME - 2010-07-29 07:30

    Bottom line was Jake White to a rugby team that was down out and useless. Springbok rugby was a disgrace and he had to rebuild it. Bobo the Clown then took over the best squad in world rugby in in the space of 2 1/2 years is bringing the Springboks down to the lows of 2003. Any full could have coached the Boks last year against the Lions, they were just that good. But PDV can't even tell you what is happening in the CC or any of the lower levels to look for new youngsters comming through. I wonder if he has heard of Pat Lambie???

  • JACK - 2010-07-29 07:31

    JJ you are defending a loser…….we have already lost the 2010 world cup!!!!!.

  • De Wet - 2010-07-29 07:33

    I don't think the author takes into account the 'feeding stream'. Jake White did not have incoming players who were provincially coached to such a degree that they dominated Super 14's year after year. Peter De Villiers is losing against the Southern Hemisphere teams with a team selected from Southern hemisphere dominators (Super 14). Surely that makes for an interesting pattern?! Something's wrong with the national coaching?

  • Oval Ball - 2010-07-29 07:35

    @Green Supporter. Move on. Move on. The Lions tour lessons have been learned - why is it relevant now. The Jake White era is looooong gone. No arguement that Jake White did a lot right, but he also did a lot wrong. Ditto for Div. The whole lot of them - selectors, coaches and players have to regroup - just as Jake did (remember Jake nearly lost his job before 2007 RWC) and map a future, a future that has an awesome NZ team as a formidable opposition and who are clearly #1 in the world. Such is the cycle of life. You cannot be top dog forever!

  • Bok Supporter - 2010-07-29 07:36

    The big difference is that Jake White was testing out new game plans and player combinations during his 2006 losing streak. And the next year that experimnentation payed of in the RWC. I just cannot see that in PdV's games. He is using stale game plans and team selections that the Ausies and All Blacks have come to expect from the boks and counter easily. If I could see that PdV was obviously changing his game plan or at least bringing something fresh into the Bok game I would give him the benefit of the doubt. as I gave JW back in 2006. But it is not happening. all I see is a tired Bok team using tactics that are 4 years old and expecting 2 of the top teams in the world to continue falling for the same old tricks. that is what scares me about the 2011 RWC.

  • Bren - 2010-07-29 07:38

    Get thing into perspective White took over a horrendous team that was under Strauli. To compare the 2 is plain idiocy and JJ we are not all idiots. Stats mean nothing when the boks have been beaten so badly they were made to look like bungling amateurs. Stats mean nothing only when you compare them to the circumstances. I am a Bok fan I don't care who coaches as long as he does not embarrass the country or make schoolboy errors that a blind person can see. Jake was a respected coach local and internationally PDiv is not.....does that not say something. Think about that JJ Oh sorry you cant think you can only blurt out stats

  • Stirer - 2010-07-29 07:39

    SA Rugby would do well to lose the clown and appoint a real coach. Jake White did an incredible planning job and produced a winning squad in spite of stab wounds in his back. Div is no more than Hoskin's pet poodle. SA Rugby would also do well to listen to what Professor Noakes said after the last World Cup - that senior players needed long time rest otherwise they would get stale. that statement is coming home to roost.

  • Div: Mr Attitude - 2010-07-29 07:40

    A very simple solution at hand:Just let the boks play in their "proper positions' basic rugby, look at MORE younger talent (there are quite a few older players who I think are holding on until next years world cup). And can Pieter De vIlliers just learn to KEEP HIS MOUTH Shut, he lacks diplomatic skills terribly or better still after next year's world cup a breath of fresh air - A NEW COACH with no attitude

  • Richie Rich - 2010-07-29 07:42

    Who's team did Jake inherit??? Pdiv, clearly flogging Jakes Whites hoarse to death! Any success he had up until now is directly attributed to what Jake built up. Here comes the shocker; Jakes was never that great and his team was okay; … world cups can be won or lost on a whim! Consistency, like most things in life, is by far the greater attribute to have. I would much rather have us playing consistently well, while being proud of our method and technique. It would be nice for once to say we did not out-kick or out muscle our opponents with Blue Bulls style rugby. Blue Bulls rugby is great for super 14, but is just not clever enough for internationals… I’m a Bull myself and that’s hard to admit, but true. The fact of the matter is we have been dominating the Super14 for the last few years with our current coaches and players, we have in-fact never had this amount of talent and dept in the modern era of the game … ,but our coaching and ultimately team selection is letting us down BIG TIME. These current failures are un-acceptable considering the above. And the Author is clearly distorting the facts trying to compare statistics, when not taking into account the “integrity”/order of his data.

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