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Div, Smit come under fire

2010-07-14 22:34

Stephen Nell

Cape Town – The form of Springbok captain John Smit and selections by coach Peter de Villiers have come under fire ahead of Saturday’s second Tri-Nations Test against the All Blacks.

Former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer pointed out a few problem areas for the Springboks in a column for website www.heavensgame.com.

“I fear that they have a problem with selection. John Smit was way off the pace – again! Fourie du Preez has been impossible to replace, and surely there is a better three-quarter line in South Africa than the one chosen last weekend,” writes Dwyer.

Smit’s statistics in Saturday’s first Test did not make for impressive reading when put next to that of direct opponent Keven Mealamu.

The Bok skipper has already admitted that his throwing at the lineouts was not good and it shows in the statistics.

South Africa lost three of their 11 lineouts against New Zealand for a poor success ratio of 72,73%.

The All Blacks won all eight their lineouts and also took quick throws to ensure that Victor Matfield was not given the opportunity to compete for their ball.

While Matfield was still among the players that made the most tackles, the Kiwis succeeded in nullifying the traditional strength of the South African lineout.

Smit’s work-rate was not good when measured against that of Mealamu.

However, it should be taken into consideration that the statistics on www.ruggastats.com shows that the All Blacks had 57,58% possession against South Africa’s 42,42%.

Even so, the Bok captain made less tackles (9) than Mealamu (11).

South Africa’s hooker position was on Wednesday identified as a “problem area” by Western Province head coach of talent identification Jerome Paarwater.

Paarwater assisted the Boks on their European tour last year.

“The lineouts, in particular, were a disappointment because John could not find his jumpers. Chiliboy Ralepelle has played so little rugby that the coach is probably not comfortable with sending him on the field earlier,” says Paarwater.

“Gary Botha and Tiaan Liebenberg were the form hookers in the Super 14. If there is a problem, they should be able to solve it quite easily.”

Paarwater also believes South Africa should kick the ball further out so that New Zealand are prevented from taking quick throws.

At the back, it may well be that the doubts Dwyer raised were on picking centre Jean de Villiers out of position on the wing and Wynand Olivier at inside centre.

Gio Aplon and Juan de Jongh impressed in those positions in earlier Tests, while De Villiers is actually an inside centre.

Sport24

Comments
  • bobmarley - 2010-07-14 23:05

    The All Blacks are finding form again and one dare not pick players against them that are not on form or out of position. John Smit is not on form, Jean is not a wing/ not on form and Gio is on superform and not picked, as is Bekker and de Jong. Then also the boks always have a bad game after playing sub-standard teams like Italy, especially twice in a row. And why the hell is Butch James on the bench/in the team at all? BUTCH JAMES WHO IS THAT!!!!

  • Williaj Shakespeare - 2010-07-14 23:19

    Smit bulked up to be a prop and now is too duk to be a hooker.

  • mike - 2010-07-14 23:46

    Funny how he quotes Dwyer on the Hooker and Srumhalf problems then infers that he must also have a problem with JdV and Wynand. Dude if he said it then quote him, don't guess, did you read his artcle or not?

  • Suurpoep - 2010-07-15 00:31

    Smit >> out De Villiers >>> Centre J Fourie <<< Wing January >>>OUT !!

  • Fritz - 2010-07-15 05:38

    Everybody that knows a bit about rugby says that the biggest problem with the current Bok team is the loss of Fourie Du Preez. The closest we have to Fourie is Ruan Pienaar BUT Snorre refuses to give him a chance to prove his worth. If I was Ruan I would get on the first plane back to SA and leave for the contract in Ireland. Can't De Villiers see what is missing - Boks try and play the same game as last year with a no 9 that kicks down Muliaina's throat every time he tries to. He could not even make the Stormers run-on. Come on selectors wake up!! Aplon must also be wondering what else he has to do after his brilliant debut in the 14 jersey against the French.

  • Aussie Ausbourne - 2010-07-15 06:20

    Whom of you saw your classy captain at a news conference during the week. He ripped Bakkies Botha apart on world wide television and blamed him directly for the Boks' loss. He said that the Boks were doing pretty well in all the areas of the game and it was just that one incident that cost them the game. I'm not sure we are talking about the same game. The whole world would agree that that incident did ruin the Boks' chances of winning but a captain can say those things behind closed doors, not for the whole world to hear. I truly hope this overrated idiot is still the Bok captain when the world cup comes around.

  • Pappa Smurf - 2010-07-15 06:26

    This idiot Dwyer, and a whole bunch of Stormer supporters, doesn't know that Olivier has never gotten achance to settle into a position. Coming on as a replacement every now and then and only playing a couple of tests at a time does nothing for a player's confidence. Look at Ruaan Pienaar who never gets an extended run but he is one of the best players around.

  • Anton - 2010-07-15 06:51

    In my books John Smith And January are the only 2 bad links in the team, bakkie been removed resolved another, the other smaller bad links can still be worked on, John Smith needs to go, there are much and i meen much better hookers in sa , even the ones on the corners should be better

  • Michael - 2010-07-15 06:57

    You are preaching to the converted. These calls have fallen on deaf ears bfor ages allready.

  • Mike@CapeT - 2010-07-15 07:04

    It is a worry that Div is falling back into his old bad ways! Why does he continue to play players out of their specialised positions? JdeV is an inside centre...finish and klaar! He is far superior to 'Meisiekind! Why is Ruan not getting a chance at scrumhalf...or one of the many other scrummies far superior to Januarie? The latter didn't play a bad game last week and so probably does not deserve to be dropped...but, he shouldn't have been there in the first place and, there is a reason Coetzee had him as the Stormers number 2! Kirschner played a good game last week in spite of my previous reservations about him being chosen but, what has happened to Steyn?. Why is Aplon not on the wing? Why are, at least, one of the two outstanding hookers not on tour...Liebenberg and Botha? Why does Div persist in having 'has been's' (James) still in the mix? Problem is that Div is blinkered by his stubbornness! The team does not need wholesale changes but please Div, stop being so bloody stubborn!

  • spuit - 2010-07-15 07:05

    loose Bigmac January

  • alien - 2010-07-15 07:09

    why can the world see the beter players in the bok team, but Div doesn't. is he really that dof?

  • Dronkie - 2010-07-15 07:09

    Come John.....we need a captain's game from you on Saturday...I hope we thump the Blacks proper !!! Good Luck Bokke !!!!

  • Boss Barry - 2010-07-15 07:21

    Maybe we must all club in, send a donation to Gary Botha so that he can go for an instant darker tan so that he can be recognised by Helium, Gary go into the sun more, do something !!!!! Chilliboy played good schools rugby and at junior bok level but not senior bok level, note YET.

  • Steve - 2010-07-15 07:22

    Did you guys see the best centre pair last weekend, they totally minced their opponents. Both thes centres scored, That was so magnificent. Not wannebee centres like certain people.

  • Lewsi - 2010-07-15 07:25

    John Smit is too fat to move effortlessly around the field, he is also substandard in the scrums. Yet they will persist in having him in the starting line up. Sooner or later they're going to have to realise that you cant continue picking a substandard player just because he's the captain. I dont mind at all.......go All Blacks!

  • TP - 2010-07-15 07:37

    Hooraaa..Jammer dit kos 'n Aussie om 'n eerlike opinie te gee...ons eie kommentators en SARVU is te "bang" of te "skynheilg" of verloor hulle jobs, want almal kan sien dat Smit ongelukkig nie meer 'n toets of super 14 speler is nie..spankeuses uit posisies, skrumkakels en hakers by die huis, spreek vanself

  • Laeveld Springbok - 2010-07-15 07:42

    But that's what we've been saying... see Div. We are not as dumb as you might think. Supporters might actually know a little thing or two about the game

  • BALSAK(alias Blue Bul Hater) - 2010-07-15 07:48

    What a GOOD article. Gary, Andries and Tiaan to the rescue , Jean de Villiers at number 12, Gio no 14 and Juan de Jong on the Bench!! Francois Hougaard in at no. 9 and PROBLEM SOLVED FOREVER AND EVER, AND EVER and EVER!!!

  • Tank - 2010-07-15 07:53

    I want to thank the Ab supporters for commenting on this site, it was hard for me to get behind the Boks again after saterday but you helped me and a few other fans to get behind the Boks. Just keep your comments coming, you will bring us closer together.

  • FAT BOYS - 2010-07-15 07:55

    ....AGREE..!! ...GET RID OF THE 2 FAT BOYS IN THE TEAM.. ...FATSO SMIT AND FATSO JANUARIE..!!

  • 40 years - 2010-07-15 08:03

    PDV as again confirmed that John Smit will captain the Boks for the next 40 years,... .....come hell or high water.... ...sorry Tiaan and Gary...

  • scipio - 2010-07-15 08:04

    2, Gary Botha, 4 Danie russow, 6, Heinrich Brussow 7, Juan Smith , 9 Fourie du Preez 12, Jean De villiers, 14, Jp Pieterson, 15 Frans Steyn. 9 players missing or out of position that would represent our best team... Though i still believe we can win this weekend, it's quite apparent that we're at a disadvantage

  • Rugby Supporter - 2010-07-15 08:12

    Everyone can see it, except the coach and selectors! Do we know something that they do not? ...or is the Bokke just a personal and political parade? Please explain to the millions of rugby supporters! (I think I already know the answer and it makes me SICK!!!)

  • Sad Bok - 2010-07-15 08:12

    I rest my case!

  • Piet Parow - 2010-07-15 08:31

    Although I am not a fan of Paarwater I have to agree with him on this one. Tiaan, in my slightly biased view, could perhaps add that little more grunt in the lose than Gary. No matter how you look at it, Smit is only there because he is a really good captain. As a player there is a couple better than him. Just remember what happened to the Boks when Mallet decided to drop Teichman and picked Bobby as captain before the 99 World Cup - it turned out a disaster. Experience wins world cups and maybe the All Blacks are again peaking at the wrong time.. (the year before a world cup)

  • Doreen - 2010-07-15 08:42

    WESTERN PROVINCE head coach of talent suggesting Liebenberg, de Jongh, Aplon and de Villiers should play. Conflict of interest, much?

  • Bulls fan forever - 2010-07-15 08:45

    That is the problem with Snorre, he picks players out of position (even more so than Jake White did) and his loyalty to John Smit and Ricky Januarie has now reach embarrassing heights. A loss again on Saturday. Unfortunate, but we have a stubborn coach. Now will the Matfield bashers shut up? He does more than just jump in the line outs! 18 tackles and no missed tackle!

  • Deon - 2010-07-15 08:46

    For once I agree with Dwyer. Paarwater is spot on as well. JdV at inside centre where he belongs. Aplon on the wing. Replace January (why was he there in the first place?) with Vd Heever (Pienaar while we are on tour). Smit needs to be replaced but not by ChilliBoy.(Paarwater is correct that Gary Botha or Tiaan Liebenberg would do better here. Until Bismarck is available again) Dewald Potgieter to replace Francois Louw. That leaves Kirchener but thanks to selection blunders S.A. rugby has lost Joe Pietersen. Francois Steyn is the only logical replacement. But it's probably going to take Snorre until the last match of the tri-nations to figure all of this out...

  • haha - 2010-07-15 09:01

    Yes everybody can see it.. John Smit = palooka... Fatso Januarie = palooka.. ..Jean deVilliers = palooka wing.. ...francois Louw = palooka no 7.. ...PDV = palooka quota coach...

  • Mark - 2010-07-15 09:16

    I rest my case. Snorre sal nie altyd wegkom met substandaard spelers nie. Choose the best. John Smit & January is now the cancer..

  • Man at BLACK - 2010-07-15 09:22

    @Tank, cheers bru, seriously though, P,Div, the only reason J.Smit is captain is because of PC, stop this nonsence, player on player SA shit, SA are good, TOO BAD WE PAID P.Divvy. In all honesty, I want a fair match with no excuses, I want Divvy gone Burger, oh by the way, what excuse have you come up this week, weakling, FAST & FURIOUS

  • Dennis - 2010-07-15 09:38

    At least if we lose again this weekend there is ample evidence that the time has come for younger blood.

  • REAL/RUGBY - 2010-07-15 09:48

    Thank god for rugby, a fat man that pretends to run is classic, SA should play soccor, fitness is the key and speed conquers, No#1 and the Best, too slow, too dumb and frankly out dated. ELV'S, bye bye lol, lol, zoooooom, don't you just love the new rules especially the ball in hand, oh BTW, g'day steyn on my bed sheet, NO#ONE

  • Syrup - 2010-07-15 10:04

    de V is a centre. J Fourie is a wing. January and Smit are to fat-- maybe better kimazoo-wrestlers ?

  • gosball - 2010-07-15 10:18

    You guys seem to forget that when Smit is not there we lose nearly every game...and that Bakkies the Plank is to blame for Saturday....We Will be better this weekend.Our biggest problem is Januarie...he cant count past 7 and seems to think he is bigger than Brad Thorn.

  • Marius - True Blue - 2010-07-15 10:30

    Hellooo...It's a well known fact that John is over his best and things got worse when Div changed his position....but a coach won't suddenly change his Captain !!!! Div already had the chance and he didn't do it. Matfield will go down in the history books as one of the greatest locks and captains of our time, which Div loves to ignore. How come the Bulls managed to come from behind in the S14 COUNTLESS times to outplay the opposition?? Brilliant Captaincy!!! If John had they same qualities, the boks wouldn't have been embarrassed last saturday. Another huge loss is Fourie at no.9. The best player in world rugby and Div wants to replace him with Januarie!! Please!!! I''ll be honest, Jean has been over his best too, but he's still a good player, on wing?? DEFINITELY NOT. He didn't play S14 and shouldn't be picked ahead of de Jongh. We need the "Spark" Potgieter brings upfront. Louw is not there yet.

  • RICK - 2010-07-15 10:42

    I have resigned to the fact that we wont win try nations this year.But its a good thing because we can bring in new blood to be a stronger squad for the world cup.As for AB its good because they peak up early and comes RWC they falter.I think by that time Springbok would have identified areas of concern and have identified right horses for the course

  • RICK - 2010-07-15 10:45

    I have resigned to the fact that we wont win try nations this year.But its a good thing because we can bring in new blood to be a stronger squad for the world cup.As for AB its good because they peak up early and comes RWC they falter.I think by that time Springbok would have identified areas of concern and have identified right horses for the course

  • Spartan - 2010-07-15 10:49

    @ bobmarley, you hit the nail on the head, while the AB's fire on all cylinders, our coach continues to make mindboggling selections. Butch James says it all. PdV seems to have regressed back into his idiotic ways, like a madman, shouting his mouth off & making madman decisions, The AB's & Wallabies are laughing at this circus. I cannot believe that after the amazing soccer WC, these guys go & cock things up so royally & ruin the moment. My message to the boks & coaching staff is, get off your complacent, confused, underperforming asses into gear, player 23 will not tollerate another debarcle like last Sat.

  • michael jackson from down under - 2010-07-15 11:21

    Face facts, Div is farting for points at the Minister of Sport. Besides the fact that Smit is overweight an dof, he is selecting January and Chilliboy to get the quotas right. "Chili" is has been "warming" the bulls bench all the time! Rather pick Maku if you dont want Gary. And yes, what is Butch and Juan doing back? we have better loyal players than them in any case. Butch is going to follow Bakkies soon just wait and see.

  • Uncle - 2010-07-15 11:49

    The majority of bulls fans really are blinkered idiots. They honestly believe that dressing the blou-boerewors-brigade in green jerseys will be the best thing. The problem can be summed up in 2 words: Pierre...Spies...

  • Boss Barry - 2010-07-15 11:50

    We must agree at this stage there is no other Captain to replace John Smit, as when Teichman was dropped and Bobby took over as Captain, NOBODY, We are going to make the same mistake, Bobby was the worst captain EVER !!!,

  • Black Panther - 2010-07-15 11:54

    The bokkies is going to be slaughtered on Saturday. Jean is out of form and too slow on wing...January is few months late, it's July now WAKE UP!...Smith & Bakkies will retire after the Tri-Nations...This will be a sad tournament for SA...

  • StuartW - 2010-07-15 12:41

    @Doreen, if you actually read the article you would not make such a comment. Paarwater only talked about the hooker position and suggested Gary and Tiaan...It was the wallaby, Bob Dwyer that tweeted about De Jongh, Aplon and De Villiers....and he is correct, Aplon and De Jongh did play well in those positions during the Super 14 and Tests this year.

  • ManOnTheMoon - 2010-07-15 13:08

    People always believe that the current team cannot replace their captain. We've seen this every 4 to 5 years happening. But how can you compete on a world stage and not have any succesion plan in place. John Smit did not impress in any of this years games - Not as captain or as player - including the Super 14. Times up "ou groote"

  • ManOnTheMoon - 2010-07-15 13:13

    People always believe that the current team cannot replace their captain. We've seen this every 4 to 5 years happening. But how can you compete on a world stage and not have any succesion plan in place. John Smit did not impress in any of this years games - Not as captain or as player - including the Super 14. Times up "ou groote"

  • luluboy - 2010-07-15 14:20

    Why do I get the feeling that most comments on this site are racially motivated?

  • Willie - 2010-07-15 14:40

    The one is obese and the other one likes his papsak wine. Recipe for disaster.

  • Manu - 2010-07-15 16:51

    Play De Villiers and Fourie as a centre combination. That is where the problem is. Put JP on the wing and F Steyn at Fullback. Problem solved. Smit is the best hooker in the country. Gary Botha as his replacement untill Bismark has recovered

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