Boks take refs woes to SANZAR

2010-07-22 07:04

Brisbane - The Springboks are taking their complaints to an official level with the South African union asking SANZAR to look into what they clearly feel is a bias against Peter de Villiers' side by the judicial system.

The two match ban on Jean de Villiers for a dangerous tackle on top of Bakkies Botha's nine-week ban for head-butting has raised the anger of the South Africans after a tough two weeks in New Zealand where they lost both Tri-Nations Tests to the All Blacks.

South African Rugby Union boss Oregan Hoskins has instructed the Springboks' representative on the SANZAR legal committee, Judge Lex Mpati, to look into the matter.

"On the judicial side, I have asked Judge Mpati to take it up," Hoskins told the Cape Times newspaper.

"A number of stakeholders have complained to me about the lack of consistency in the rulings of the judicial officials in rugby.

"I have stressed to Judge Mpati the seriousness of the matter, and he has promised that he will come back to me in writing hopefully by next week.

"I don't want to say too much further, as previously I have spoken about the issue in the media and nothing has been done about it."

Jean de Villiers wasn't penalised for the tackle on Rene Ranger during the Wellington Test by referee Alain Rolland, but was cited afterwards by the Australian citing commissioner Scott Nowland.

The Boks are angry that nothing was done against Ranger for an earlier "no-arms" tackle against their fullback Zane Kirchner.

The world champions were also vocal in their assumption that All Blacks captain Richie McCaw was getting away with too much at the breakdowns, believing he should have been yellow-carded at the Cake Tin.

Coach de Villiers vented his frustration after the match by suggesting he was considering coaching his team to "cheat" on the field after struggling with refereeing inconsistencies over the first six Tests of their latest campaign.

"As a coach, you don't want to coach your team to cheat, but maybe that is something we are going to have to consider," he said.

South African Rugby's manager of referees, Andre Watson, did not want to comment on Rolland's performance in Wellington,

"I looked at the ref, and he made some brilliant decisions and some not-so-good decisions," Watson said.

"I can't say if the Boks got a raw deal from the referee because if I do say that that is the case, then South Africa will love me and the rest of the world will hate me, and if I don't feel that way, it will be the other way around."

The Springboks play the Wallabies in Brisbane on Saturday.

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  • Mike - 2010-07-22 07:09

    Yes, yes, yes PdV, keep telling yourself that. Face the facts, SA need a new coach. Someone who can actually do coaching. Stop moaning and groaning and let me help you. Now, listen closely....DROP HABANA and you will have a winning team. Don`t lame the refs. DROP BRYAN HABANA.

  • Rugby lover - 2010-07-22 07:20

    Highest tree tops will always catch the most wind - we will remain champions until decided otherwise at next year's RWC.

  • HJH - 2010-07-22 07:23

    And how is this going to help? The decision has been made. The Boks may not win the word cup next year and the IRB will make sure of it. RLSUU

  • headbutt - 2010-07-22 07:25

    Bok players, management and supporters must stop whinging and crying, and start looking at the facts. Its no secret that our rugby is well known for their dirty play, bakkies always having off the ball tactics (usually on scrumhalfs or 70kg wingers), half the blue bull squad and their reinforced forearm protecters used for swinging arm tackels (JP Nel style), and lets not forget the likes of gary pagel, uli shmidt,de wet barry and flekkie. All international teams have dirty players, thats for sure but some of our guys take it to another level, its not suprising that we are always being picked on by the the refs

  • Noel - 2010-07-22 07:25

    Maybe Coach P.D.V has a point, some of the calls on Sat were clearly incorrect, and yes the all blacks got away with blantant fowls. I say let the springboks cheat, if it brings about a win. The history books dont reflect the refs decisions or how the game was won or lost, it only shows a win or a loss. Cheat your way to victory boys, is what I say.

  • Wazza - 2010-07-22 07:30

    Yes Andre Watson ...... you and your comrades stick together ...... never keen to open your mouths and face the facts.

  • pietdut - 2010-07-22 07:32

    Ag Watson - you're so full of it! The ref can make right decisions and wrong decisions! WTF is a "brilliant decision"!? Giving Richie McCaw a yellow card, would have been a "brilliant" decision!

  • Michael - 2010-07-22 07:33

    What on earth are the Boke trying to achieve. By bringing the bakkies matter up for head butt not seen by ref and picked up by video ref just shows the need for post match ref. We keep bringing up Mc Caw - why are we so scared of him. Old Snor wants Mc Caw silenced so maybe we can win next AB game. In my experience when one picks on refs it always backfires. The whole Bok team needs to up their game so they can score tries and dont miss so many tackels then they can win. This is like school boy rugby when the ref is blamed for one team loosing.

  • Joe Smokin - 2010-07-22 07:35

    As an AB supporter I was quite embarrassed, after the last world cup, by all the moaning surrounding the ref from my fellow supporters. Thankfully, our coach and players were big enough to admit they got it wrong that day. I can only imagine how embarrassed Springbok fans must be at the moment.

  • steve - 2010-07-22 07:36

    bakkies should have been banned for life what a chop

  • Frans - 2010-07-22 07:39

    Ridiculous. Rather focus on your own inability to coach the new law interpretations. Last year Nige Owens went out of his way helping the Boks and I can't reacall any action like the this by either the Aussies or AB's. I think some times in rugby just like in life you wiil get a raw deal, but rather focus your'e energy on the things that you can make better and at the end of the day even those things that you can't control will work in your favour.

  • Deon - 2010-07-22 07:39

    Is this how de villiers want to defent himself...go mate go...not good enough

  • NAM - 2010-07-22 07:40

    Jeez guys will you just shut up and play the bloody guys are for ever banging on about the whinging Pomms but fail to look in the Mirror,your reputation as the best team is fastly disappearing into a reputation of bad loosers......Play the game like you know you can and you will use to win games when ref's descions where not going your way........Maybe its the end of an era and you guys are not as good as you use to be.......

  • Hilda Smit - 2010-07-22 07:41

    André Watson, I am disappointed in you, my hero ref. This has nothing to do with feelings. It is a cut and dry case to comment on. No matter who "hates" or "loves" you, you should speak out and say exactly what your opinion is - people are expecting that of you and will respect you for that - because you have always stood for what is right.

  • Hasie - 2010-07-22 07:42

    Grow a pair, Andre Watson!

  • Marth - 2010-07-22 07:44

    Andre Watson is displaying the behaviour which is exactly the problem. The refs are all too scared to criticise each other. Watson should not care who likes or doesn't like him. He should tell it like it is regardless of who he upsets.

  • noel - 2010-07-22 07:47

    How pathetic!! The real problem with the boks is the idiot they have for a coach. Now he cannot bask in the good done by Jake White he is showing his true incompetence as a coach

  • brad - 2010-07-22 07:48

    At the same time, can Sanzar also look into getting rid of this fool we call a Springbok coach!! As the Kiwi reporter rightly said, "the joke is over". This fool with his big moustache is going to be the end of Springbok rugby as we know it.

  • Vaste 6 - 2010-07-22 07:50

    Sometimes you just have to voice your frustration even if the Boks did not deserve to win. Well done PdV.

  • Wondering - 2010-07-22 07:51

    I would love to have someone tell me, since our re-admission into world rugby, how many of the 50-50 calls that one has in a game actually went the boks way? as a percentage, it would be very interesting to see what percentage has gone our way. Normal thought would be that one game goes against you and the other goes for you, but i am sure that the boks are on the loosing side of these calls, which means, in the close games, you not only have to beat your opponent, but also the game official to actually win the game.....

  • Chris G - 2010-07-22 07:53

    Cry me a river. Richie McCaw has been the top open side flanker for years because he knows how to play the game on the edge of the law. I agree he should've been yellow carded, but how about focusing on how we're going to win instead of whining?

  • E - 2010-07-22 07:54

    Watson is a coward. He never wants to comment or speak the truth. He is stuck up so far in someones ass he will never get out. Same with most people, to scared to speak out and say the truth. Its cause people just keeps quiet that things like that, quota's, couch's buds, shit favs and such exists. Shocking

  • Drakkar - 2010-07-22 07:55

    Like the other sheep shaggers that make up SANZAR will listen. This is exactly what they want. Expect them to be united in rebuffing SA's complaint. Of course, if it happened to them, the world would have to shift it's axis to appease them. We made a big mistake staying with SANZAR. Now it's coming back to haunt us.

  • Mr V - 2010-07-22 07:56

    Now nobody loves, nor hates you. The question is therefore, what the hell are you doing in your post if you cannot make a stand and stand your ground? What a shame!

  • Bokdude - 2010-07-22 07:58

    Watson - take a stand man - let's hear your opinion. There's no merit in being a fence sitter. That's the problem with the referee mafia.

  • Steve - 2010-07-22 07:58

    The question is who is the best team in the world.

  • jackass - 2010-07-22 07:59

    This guy (PDiv) talks about the All Blacks cheating but condones eye gouging when the Springboks do it saying rugby's not for sissys. Just typical from a politically appointed idiot. Can he make up his mind? The Boks were beaten by a far superior and better coached team - finished and klaar!!! Time for this de Villers poopal to stand down from something he's not qualified to do.

  • Sparky - 2010-07-22 08:00

    About time!

  • Quota-Hater - 2010-07-22 08:01

    ...Go Aussies.. !! ...Go Aussies..!!

  • Garfield - 2010-07-22 08:03

    When it happen to you then they complain. When you win with the ref and decisions go for the BOKS I quote an commentator " it is just rugby the result in the paper will be a win for the BOKS" You can loose some as well BOKS.Stop complaining when you play is SA again it will be the reverse....

  • stefan - 2010-07-22 08:04

    Come on Watson, Grow a Pair!

  • Ian - 2010-07-22 08:06

    Why whinge when they were well beaten in both tests. Bakkies Botha and Jean DeVilliers deserve their bans, Schalk Burger wasn't exactly adequately punished for the eye gouge on Luke Fitzgerald in the British Lions 2nd test was he? Get over it Springboks, your leaders are ageing and need replacing, you have a lot of rebuilding to do. Oh and keep Januarie in the team every time (typed with a hint of sarcasm!!!)

  • The other Puke - 2010-07-22 08:07

    Andre Watson is SPINELESS !!

  • scrum cap - 2010-07-22 08:08

    Dear Coach, please first learn the new rules thoroughly (both you and your assistants) and then pass that knowledge on to the players. We are always quick to blame the ref and his interpretations of the rules when we come unstuck. Know why the ABs have no problems in this department? The answer is that the coaching staff do their homework properly prior to the tournament and don't wait until they are found out in their ignorance of them before resorting once again to whinging. If you still haven't clearly understood the changes to the rules as yet (and the Boks are oblivious to them as well), then we are more in the "schtuck" than we realise. The rules are not going to be amended anytime soon to accommodate you, so just accept them as they are, and adapt your game plan accordingly, presuming you have one. One thing as a coach you cannot blame the rules on is your very poor team selection of i) players out of form, ii) players who are not no. 1 in SA in their respective positions, and iii) players playing out of position. The changes made for the Aussie test address these issues somewhat,apart from playing "Kanko" on the flank, where he admits he hasn't played for a while. Tests (especially the Tri-Nations!!) are not the arenas for you to test your hair-brained theories regarding players and your perceptions as to where they should be playing. First test their competence in a "new" position at provincial level and then if it backfires it does not cost SA a test series, apart from the resultant adverse effect it has on the players' mind-sets. SA rugby (& cricket) supporters ARE fickle as we love winners but do not have not too much sympathy for losers - that's just the way it is here. If you don't believe me, just check out the support you get when the team arrives at OT after an unsuccessful series - the silence is deafening!!

  • STORMER - 2010-07-22 08:09

    I think this is pathetic....All this does is make EVERYONE (other teams and all officials) want to NAIL US HARD going forward. Disgrace this is - it is worse than that UBER PATHETIC Justice for Bakkies campaign. Sorry folk, this has put us firmly in the whinger/sore loser spotlight and I for one find it EMBARASSING.

  • friede botham - 2010-07-22 08:10

    What a load of rubbish Mr A Watson; you're not in line for a job at the IRB.Open your eyes and comment on what you see.

  • jacojvr - 2010-07-22 08:10

    there is a huge gap between the All Blacks and the Boks - they are 100% the best team in the world - if we keep playing a primary school team game plan we will be hammered - i cant see us turning it around against OZ - the guys are out of position a number 7 flank is not a number 8, a 12 is not a wing - idiots

  • VinnyTheSaffer - 2010-07-22 08:12

    This so encapsulates the entitlement-attitude of the new SA. Get over it Piet...move on - Rugby, and any team sport for that matter is a highly fluid situation. Tactics is what it's all about. Your opponents work you out. The fact that you've not needed to do anything, but display those false chompers and take the win as your own, ever since you were appointed, cannot carry on indefinately. Improve your game plan, adapt (dare I say it) or die...

  • Louis - 2010-07-22 08:13

    Funny how we complain about the refs now that the same players that performed during the super 14 is being blow up. The bulls only had 3 non-sa refs during the super 14 which made them look like hero's. With next years world cup, we won't be able to pick our refs.

  • chips - 2010-07-22 08:14

    What Peter de Villiers is really saying is, "because I'm a previously disadvantaged coach I'd like the other international teams to just allow us to win". It's the South African way, expect handouts and favours when you're a total moron that can't do his job properly....just don't tell him he's useless because "he's black" and if you do you're being a racist. That's the beauty about sport - you don't get political favours on the field.

  • Terry - 2010-07-22 08:15

    I have said it before and I will say it again - PdV you opened the door for refs to be biased against SA when you said "Bakkies is not a dirty player" and "I am standing behind him". Bakkies is a thug with a history of dirty play off the ball - what you should have said loud and clear is that the Sprinboks do not condone dirty play, and that Bakkies will not play for the Boks again for the next 12 months. Now you are wingeing that the refs are against you ...... well I for one saw that coming. Is jy DOFF!!!

  • peebo - 2010-07-22 08:18

    Where are your BALLS Mr Watson - are you so insecure that you have to always make the popular decision. If you cannot confirm that there was bias reffing towards our boys, then you have no room to comment on rugby at all..... Why defend Rolland - he is a cheat, I just wonder what was in it for him. If this man is ever scheduled to ref a Bok game again, the players should refuse to pitch....literally.

  • Obvious - 2010-07-22 08:18

    There may be a few problems in the bok camp, but it sure doesn't help either if you get picked apart by the ref on saturdays.

  • dissapointed - 2010-07-22 08:19

    moaning is not going to help! we need to focus on how we are going to win. stop trying to blame others of what happened. its over in the past. look to how we can fix the mistakes so that it wont happen again! we have a good team stay focused and we can win!!

  • Andre - 2010-07-22 08:21

    Leave our coach alone, he has done a great job so far, just remember we are in New Zeeland which is like living in the dark ages give the guys a chance, and who might you people select as the new coach? If we take on a new coach now we will not stand a chance in the world cup next year, and Richie McCaw is trained to play the ref, and for Andre Watson you are a South African, act like one! You say there were gud and bad decisions, why dont you list them>

  • dissapointed - 2010-07-22 08:21

    moaning is not going to help! we need to focus on how we are going to win. stop trying to blame others of what happened. its over in the past. look to how we can fix the mistakes so that it wont happen again! we have a good team stay focused and we can win!!

  • greg - 2010-07-22 08:21

    jackass, great name for you, you ass! you said it not me. please don't send any more jackass comments!

  • Bokdude - 2010-07-22 08:22

    Watson, there's no such thing as brilliant decisions. There are right decisions and wrong decisions. The laws are the laws, surely. Give us a crit on Rolland's performance on these grounds please.

  • drake - 2010-07-22 08:23

    Seems like the Springboks are more fed up with the midget that's coaching them than the All Blacks "cheating". The body language of the players seems to suggest they're tired of playing for a politically appointed urangatang. I mean please tell me how this little pip squeak with his big moustache can inspired a bunch men 5 times his size - man really!!!

  • Andy - 2010-07-22 08:23

    This is not about who is the best and who is not. In this case, the All Blacks have the right to win a FAIR contest. The Springboks have the right to lose a fair contest. The supporters of both teams have the right to watch a fair contest, regardless of who wins or loses. Weak refereeing robs us all of that.

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