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Stormers seal S15 conference

2012-07-07 16:53

Bloemfontein - The Stormers secured top spot in the South African conference for Super 15 Rugby after battling to a 13-6 victory over the Cheetahs in wet and cold conditions on Saturday.

It was not pretty but the victory kept the Cape franchise in second spot on the overall competition log, where the Stormers needed a bonus point victory from four tries to pass top positioned Chiefs on the table.

Attractive running rugby in some heavy rain was never an option, though, the Cheetahs were always in the game but for some poor decision-making and lapses in concentration on their defence.

The hosts kicked away too much possession in first half that gave hard earned possession back to the Stormers.

In inclement weather, a kicking approach was always the first option, but the Cheetahs didn't put any pressure on the Stormers.

In turn, they kicked well tactically with the visitors' scrumhalf Dewaldt Duvenhage pinning them down to their own half.

The Stormers are known for their prowess in the wet, but their line outs were in a shambles early on as they twice conceded possession because the throw went astray.

Their attacking play was up to scratch, however, and kept piling on the pressure before finally getting on the board first after flyhalf Peter Grant kicked a penalty in the 17th minute.

They might not have been at their best on the attack, but the Cheetahs were better than the Stormers in the scrums -- even though the visitors were 20 kilograms heavier.

The hosts front row of Trevor Nyakane, Adriaan Strauss and WP Nel had the Capetonians under immense pressure in the first stanza.

The Stormers started the second half at high pace, applying pressure with some positive attacking play.

The hosts struggled to absorb the pressure with fullback Willie le Roux sin binned after some deliberate offside play.

The line kick put the visitors five metres from the Cheetahs goal line, but even with one man short, the Cheetahs defence held on.

Grant went on to kick his second penalty after the hosts infringed at the breakdown.

The Cheetahs themselves looked much better on the attack than in the first stanza, and started tackling the visitors back and forcing penalties at the breakdown.

At one such instance, Smit kicked his second penalty to draw the scores level again, but the home team's happiness was short lived.

From the resulting kick off, Grant put in a kick behind the Cheetahs and the ball bounced right for winger Gio Aplon to jog over.

The Cheetahs had the best of the possession in the last 15 minutes, but the Stormers proved once again why their defence is considered the best in the competition as they kept their cool to hold on to the win.

Scorers:


Cheetahs 6
Penalties: Riaan Smit (2)

Stormers 13
Tries: Gio Aplon
Conversions: Peter Grant
Penalties: Grant (2)

Teams:


Cheetahs:
15 Willie le Roux, 14 Nico Scheepers, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Barry Geel, 11 Cameron Jacobs, 10 Riaan Smit, 9 Pieter van Zyl, 8 Justin Downey, 7 Lappies Labuschagné, 6 Heinrich Brüssow, 5 Izak van der Westhuizen, 4 Andries Ferreira/George Earle, 3 WP Nel, 2 Adriaan Strauss (captain), 1 Trevor Nyakane

Substitutes: 16 Hercu Liebenberg, 17 Marcel van der Merwe, 18 George Earle/Waltie Vermeulen, 19 Ashley Johnson, 20 Tewis de Bruyn, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Philip Snyman

Stormers:
15 Joe Pietersen, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers (captain), 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage 8 Jebb Sinclair, 7 Rynhardt Elstadt, 6 Siya Kolisi, 5 Andries Bekker, 4 De Kock Steenkamp, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Steven Kitshoff

Substitutes: 16 Tiaan Liebenberg, 17 Deon Carstens, 18 Quinn Roux, 19 Don Armand, 20 Louis Schreuder, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Gerhard van den Heever

SAPA

Comments
  • frans.visserdsb - 2012-07-07 16:55

    it was not pretty... but the conditions did not allow for open running rugby. We'll take the win, and the conference cup...

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-07-07 16:55

      And well played to the Cheetahs - very strong performance by Brussouw and Johnson.

      Flemjob - 2012-07-07 16:58

      Johnson had a terrible game. Brussow was good yes. Far too many mistakes from both sides. Cant keep blaming conditions for sloppy play. Worst game of the week, possibly even the tournament.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-07-07 17:08

      Not a pretty game,but job done nonetheless for the Stormers.Brüssow what a player.Has he done enough though to showcase his abilities to mr HM,that at least merits his call up into the Bok squad I wonder.It would be criminal if he gets overlook by HM for the Rugby Championship honestly.

      Provence - 2012-07-07 17:11

      It was something but not rugby...disgrace we had to watch this RSA nonsense.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:14

      Das, i guess u didn't watch the game did you. They tried 3-4 times to go for the try there. And decided to take the points.

      jono.qmann - 2012-07-07 17:30

      Win is a win...well done Stomers!\r\n\r\nSFL

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 18:02

      Yea graem the sharks did play awesome, but they are hot and cold. Lost to the lions easily their last match. If they can play like that every game, sure they will have a chance. But can never tell. Same can be said for all the other teams, this is the closest one I have seen yet, and I Would not write anyone off, any team can win it. If you only go buy last performances surely you know nothing. Look at the bulls and sharks last games, then what happened the next, hell I can give you at least 20 more examples. Point is, anybody could do it. Even the saders lost to the Rebels this year. So it is wide open, if people can't see that, we are all gonna be in for a big eye opening.

      robert.walter.144 - 2012-07-07 18:04

      Das you right! and aplon was offside! And they kick for goal when they need a bonus point win. They will choke again at Nuweland in the Semi!!

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:02

      Ja graemeltd, hou liewers jou bek. Who cares wat jy van die Stormers dink. As jou span k.k is leave it at that.

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:59

      Like I said hou jou bek!

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-07-08 00:01

      Graeme... Let these Viskoppe be.. The season is coming to an end, let see what they say at the end... Think they might be in for a Surprise...

      sean.lambie.3 - 2012-07-08 04:04

      Yessss , they gonna win the Super Rugby !! lol !! Not now , not never !!

      bushpigeventsbar - 2012-07-08 09:06

      chaplinncharlie: Changed your name again - WTF

      TravieGrif - 2012-07-08 09:07

      @graemeltd I believe that you are actually allowed to voice your opinion, even though it may offend some sensibilities. I think that you are right about the Stormers. They are a great team, but for some reason they are not gelling on attack. Cheetahs have the ability to play great rugby and they are a seriously tough team. I am a Shark supporter, but although they have played some incredible rugby in recent history, they do not have the consistency to do it week in and week out, which is essential at this level. Bulls...I am not sure where they are at the moment. They are a good team on paper, but I think area lacking the 'heart' players at the moment. Spies seems to hate taking contact, Morne is hopelessly off his game at the moment....I know that the Bulls will be back because if there is a team that knows how to win, it is them. I really hope to see three SA teams in the playoffs, and good luck to all. I would love to see the trophy come back to SA, and in truth if it can't be the Sharks, perhaps it is the year for the Stormers. I dunno. Toughest, closest tournament that I have watch in years.

      brandon.styles.14 - 2012-07-08 09:36

      This is not a conference cup competition, it is the super 15 competition dork, First win the S15 cup and then rattle your mouth off.

      selma.botha.9 - 2012-07-08 11:44

      Well done Stormers. Should the Sharks or Bulls or Stormers reach the Super 15 final our chances of success are very slim. The Chiefs, Brumbies, and Crusaders are far superior to our teams. And should it rain Cape Town the NZ teams have a huge advantage. Was Aplon really onside for that try?

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 00:31

      @chaplincharlie. It's better to be surprised at the end of the season than not making the end of the season......

  • jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-07-07 16:56

    If this is our top team we have real trouble in this country!c'mon guys run and score some tries pls!!!

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:03

      You mean like the bulls? Sure it woulda been nice. But you still need to defend to win.

      Press - 2012-07-07 17:14

      This is unexpected and buggered up my Superbru - had the Cheetas for an easy win

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:17

      Press your superbru is probably way off, you predict every game stormers will lose and bulls would win. THat means you are off by 19 games already. Poor oke...

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:05

      Wil jy wen of verloor jacques - answer the question with a yes or no...

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 09:28

      lean on me, is that the best u can do? you mean like the bulls? u r so in denial its a joke. stormers will not win this thing playing like that. regardless of how the bulls play, the stormers played like a bunch of amateurs yesterday. to beat the cheetahs 13-6 and be 3-3 at half time. good luck against any of the top 6 in the playoffs

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 11:09

      another problem with playing like this against the weaker teams is there is no confidence flowing through the team. did the stormers look like a confident unit last night? a team that could take on all comers in the playoffs? not something u want to hear before u get into the business end of the competition every week...a win is a win, ugly win, we'll take the win. the playoffs are going to be a big challenge and the same "relaxed smiling faces to show how relaxed we are" the stormers put on in the final against the bulls the other year is not going to convince anynoe that they are a confident world beating unit. show us on the field

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 11:12

      Three teams in contention for the title and don`t throw away the Cheetahs who achieved most of their wins against overseas teams and came close in a few more. Baby Boks world junior champs. Hardly think that puts SA Rugby in trouble. Didn`t think that one through did you? Try again. On second thought rather don`t try again.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 11:59

      it is disappointing to see a backline with so much talent be so ineffective de jongh looked like the guy to set the world on fire, now not so much habana is working hard on the field but is not the sniper he was before aplon is the man there is something seriously wrong with the setup because a backline with that much pace and talent cant score tries. and tries are in fact needed. just two games of 4 tries and u r overall table leaders. we are not in a heap of trouble in SA just wish these guys could shine and show how to dominate. in terms of who i would love to come to the bulls, kolisi, aplon, kitshoff, de jongh, etsebeth schalk is being overestimated guys. the guys is 30, neck and knee injuries, no rugby this season. when he is out the team i find stormers are a better team to be honest

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 12:15

      hey enrico, mr thought police, u tell this guy he didnt think it thru properly, but u want brussouw at no 8. enough said

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 00:39

      @jacques.duplessis. As so many people on these forums remind us every day: the Bulls are allegedly the country's best team. Just look at how many cups they won way back when. So no, we are not in real trouble. If that is the reasoning, we are in real real real huge trouble. But then you look at the log and see the Stormers' position and if you have any knowledge about rugby you can calm down and realise the S15 is in good hands. No trouble at all. Winning rugby is what matters.

  • bootman.bokke - 2012-07-07 16:58

    What k..k my Stormers dished up today. Peter Grant for Bok flyhalf???????? Not if you want them to be any good. How did he win MOM? This has got to be the most frustrating game of rugby I have ever watched. If I didnt pay so much for my TV, it would've been broken by now.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:00

      He had a good game, attacked the line a lot, missed no kicks, gave aplong that kick to score. Take off those wipers.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:04

      Jy het nie eers die game gekyk nie johan. Bly eerder stil. "Ja ag nee wat, toe ek sien dis Marius Jonker sit ek die TV af, trek my Aston Martin uit die garage en geniet toe eerder 'n fun cruise langs die Vancouver kuslyn. Ek weier om na sulke snot te kyk en obviously het hoeveel beslissings weer teen die Cheetahs gegaan."

      bootman.bokke - 2012-07-07 17:06

      Lean he also kicked away possession when the Stormers needed to score 4 tries. Jean said at the PMI that they were better off not having the ball..............WTF!!!!!! Heyneke's influence no doubt.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:09

      Jy komment op n game wat net 29 in is. Cool storie ou toppie. Jy is net te goed. Ek bedoel jy weet mos alles. My bad.

      WernerZA - 2012-07-07 17:12

      Bootman, moenie worry nie. HM sal hom nie kies nie. Hyt soos gewoonlik sy 15-20 meter attempts pale to gehad, en hulle net net oor gekry, en ja, soveel up and unders geskop dat Naas sal skaam kry... Weereens kon hy nie die Beste senters en vleuls in die wereld in n gap sit nie... Nee wat, jy hoef nie te worry nie. Haha

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 17:46

      Lean what are you doing here .. don't you have a life ?!?

      Nick - 2012-07-07 18:09

      masterclass by grant anneke meyer and maureen steyn will have nightmares werner boetie what you know about rugby is dangerous brussouw will replace coetzee who will move to 7 with kolisi at 8 grant at 10 then have decent side

      dawiej - 2012-07-07 19:35

      Johan, hulle wen ten minste hull games.....

      bfvillet - 2012-07-07 19:57

      agree with you goodness his kicking in the second half was pathetic if we want to get stronger we will have to look at a flyhalf with a more dominant kicking game.Also stormers seem to go out to stop the opponent from executing their gameplan and pounce on mistakes we will have to look at a more creative aproach to put points on the board.

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 21:02

      WernerZA dra jou Bal! en Graemeldt hou jou bek!

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:07

      If people still think Peter grant is the answer, hahaha hahaha Goose, lambie but anyone except Peter grant. I bet Bobby skinstad selected the m.o.m. Did he seriously get it? F me

      bushpigeventsbar - 2012-07-08 09:11

      johan.spies.18 : Hoekom , gaan jy weer met PK's wat nooit kom nie dreig

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 00:48

      @johan.spies. Nou hoekom iemand uitnooi om Kanada toe te gaan om hom te klap as jy dan so graag wil? Sukkel jy dalk so bietjie finansieel dat jy nie self 'n vliegtuigkaartjie kan koop nie? Het daai karretjie van jou bietjie te veel gekos? @bushpigs. Hierdie aap sit seker heeldag in sy krot in Danville bitter bang vir wanneer mamma huis toe kom en hom weer disnis foeter. Is jy al geirriteerd Dr. Spiertjies?

      roy.dewet - 2012-07-09 13:59

      @ Oubaas Stormer se honne aka Johan jy moet mooi kophou ou slym bakkies jy gan jouself een van die dae vas lieg. Ek weet in jou wereld is jy n dokter met n Aston Martin maar niemand op die site of doe Malhuis waar jy jouself bevind glo die gemorst wat jy uiter nie so jy kan maar ophou. Geen self respekteerende dokter met n goeie opvoeding en n graad sal so aangan soos jy nie, jy is n joke maar baie entertaining.

  • WernerZA - 2012-07-07 16:59

    Headline should read: Toothless Stormers embarrassed by lowly Cheetahs, but hang on for win.\r\nCongrats on winning the cup guys!

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:02

      Win is a win, you lost. Go troll somewhere else.

      hoffjw - 2012-07-07 17:57

      Blaas doppies.

      Nick - 2012-07-07 18:11

      sausage jockey wernertjie headlines should read pink fairies led by a spineless scared siessss got smashed and were lucky to score any points

      les.gombart - 2012-07-07 19:49

      maybe hornless bulls fail again in 2 years?

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:51

      Gaan Dra jou BAL WernerZA!

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:11

      Where is the trolling lean? What exactly do u contribute here besides accuse people of trolling? Werner is right, a 13-6 win over the cheetahs is hardly convincing. I was disappointed, really expected to see the stormers show some bmt and take the top of the log after the chiefs stutter. It was truly toothless and a win is a win but after a cheetahs game u barely scraped thru, where u needed 5 points to take top honors and set yourself up nicely for next week against the retards I mean rebels, a win is not a win, it's a disappointment. It should have been a smashing

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-07-08 00:06

      Tom...just ignore LEAN BACON... He is always complaining say that people are trolling but as soon as a person gives a person view then it's BS.. Let the guy be he has nothing better to do either to disagree or to complain..

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 00:55

      @greameltd. The Sharks are the complete package. The Bulls are the country's best team with three titles. The Cheetahs were unlucky etc. etc. etc. But yet the Stormers are top of the conference and second on the overall log, with quite a good chance of going top next week. Now could you remind us where on the log the "complete package", "SA's best team" and "the unlucky ones" lie on the log?

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 23:18

      @greameltd. O so you are one of those ones. You do not have a good thing to say about them until they win and then you are the first to sing their praises. The Stormers do not need your "support". Keep supporting the Vlou Koeie. It is not nice that the Stormers have not won a cup, yes. And yes the Bulls have won a few. I think we all know that by now. But it does not help you much going on about it. Just like it won't help the Stormers if we go on and on and on and on about their 5 year winning streak in the Currie Cup. All history. But shame - there's not much hope for you, I guess all you have are those couple of wins a while back. This season you lost. Twice against the Stormers. The Stormers beat your Pink Pansies. On Moftus.

  • mollie.kruger - 2012-07-07 16:59

    I am a stormers supporter, but have to say : what a mess of a game! I concede that the conditions were not great, but really, I expected more...

      Johan - 2012-07-07 17:05

      Hak hak die Stormers is k..

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:11

      Maar nie so k.. soos jou span nie.....

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 18:38

      Nee lean baie baie baie kukker

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:12

      Lean on me, that line is getting old. Anything else? Or is that all u can contribute in ur state of denial? Troll

      chaplinncharlie - 2012-07-08 00:09

      Mollie didn't watch the game but by what i can see your guys is sitting with some problems..I hope Alistair address these problems...

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-08 00:36

      i've only really got one word for you biatches :) .. SSSTTTOOORRRMMMEEERRRSSS !! P.S (only three MORE words): JOU LEKKER DING !!!

  • Provence - 2012-07-07 17:02

    ....disgraceful rugby, spectators should demand their money back. Rain or no rain, it was pathetic. Chief or crusaders will take the cup by a mile.

      Johan - 2012-07-07 17:05

      I agree, Stormerds not close to the team their poor spectators think they are (ja met min tanne)

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:06

      You are right, every team plays the same every week. Most team have bad days, live with it. It happens.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:07

      Kinda like the bulls hey Johan. Groot bek.

      mario.borchards - 2012-07-07 18:01

      playing away, in terrible conditions I would take the ugly win any day. Stormers had an off day but they still won. Sign of a good team..... play bad but still win the game....Anyway nothing to worry about because the Canes are going to beat the Chiefs and the Stormers will beat the Rebels and score the bonus point.

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:15

      I doubt the stormers have it in them to beat the rebels by 4 tries. I really would like to see some entertaining rugby but I don't really expect anything amazing next week. What have the bulls got to do with this discussion lean on me? People who support wp are complaining here and all u can talk about is the bulls? And everyone else is a troll? All we seem to hear is the stormers are having an off day, it was the b team, ugly win we will take it, a win is a win.

  • sean.bagley.50 - 2012-07-07 17:05

    Not a pretty game,but job done nonetheless for the Stormers.Brüssow what a player.Has he done enough though to showcase his abilities to mr HM,that at least merits his call up into the Bok squad I wonder.It would be criminal if he gets overlook by HM for the Rugby Championship honestly.

  • steyts - 2012-07-07 17:09

    PATHETIC rugby!! We won't get close to the cup if continue with this crap rugby!!

      WernerZA - 2012-07-07 17:18

      But you have the CUP??? Haha. Oh, you mean the real cup!

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:26

      And you have the real cup werner? Didnt even make the playoffs last year in the CUrrie cup or Super15, hahahahaha

      mario.borchards - 2012-07-07 18:08

      You sound like a NZ supporter. The Stormers have a superior points difference than the useless Bulls. You must thank God for the bonus point system, otherwise your beloved team would not even be close to the play off. Did you watch the game last night? that was pathetic rugby by the Bulls.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 18:29

      SARU plz get rid of the stormers in favor of the kings . They ,and their supporters, have been an embarrassment to SA rugby and Rugby in the whole for too long now. I know the Lions are bottom of the log but they at least play Rugby and can be entertaining .The Stomers is a NFL defensive team playing in a RU competition and that can't be right. Yes, lean we have 3 and we're one of the SR greats second only to the Saders.. I know this is a concept the Stormers supporters cannot understand but ask a Saders supporter he'll understand. We don't have a SR m0nkey on our back ..we got rid of that a looong time ago and we're "accomplished", a Rugby dynasty, and a few down seasons will not change that and we can take it in our stride.. again ask a Sader. For all your seat of your pants unconvincing 'we'll take the win" wins this year you'll end up with NOTHING AGAIN . You've NEVER won it and you NEVER will until you get rid of your administration and your coach and nienaber and get some real professionals in to run that organization .. of course as a Bulls fan I don't want that to happen since you might actually become the benchmark SA team then. http://www.espnscrum.com/heineken-cup-2011-12/rugby/story/164354.html .. do you see mention of the Stormers on that page ?

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 18:43

      I did watch it and i saw a very organized and motivated Sharks team that were very well prepared for the task at hand to stop the bulls from getting on a roll . They made many mistakes but didn't play bad and played some good attacking Rugby and were kept out by some great Sharks defense and attack. Kuk they were not just not better than the team they were playing. Your TEAM is 100% pure kuk . They cannot score any manufactured tries . They're a disgrace, please do not compare them to the other teams in the competition playing Rugby

      anwar.addinall - 2012-07-07 19:52

      Don't you just love people with "random" comments who think they know everything? I'm sure those blinkers must hurt.

      les.gombart - 2012-07-07 20:01

      @WernerSA??? The cup that you dint have for the last two years.... Moron. Hope that you bring your your baby up with a bit more foresight!

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 20:02

      Yes I sure do! ..tell me do they hurt ? ... you supporter of the "benchmark" SA RUGBY [sic] team .

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 20:24

      the 2012 SR season is still ongoing and we won it as recently back as 2010 and we're still in with a shot .. a very very very loooong shot, but a shot . So that'll be one year for us and I think something like 16 for you .

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:50

      DRA jou BAL WernerZA!

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:20

      Random dude actually speaks a lot of sense.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 09:37

      u do realise when u bang on about the bonus point system and the bulls would be nowehere without it, you are also talking about the sharks who are in the exact same situation as us. and they make up most of the springbok team. so your argument focusing on the bulls all the time is getting old. ur team is top of the conference but doesnt have the balls to get some bonus points which would put them top of the overall table ensuring a chance of a home final. but with your blanket over your eyes u keep banging on about how u beat the bulls how the bulls rugby is too risky how the bulls are nowhere ad nauseam. i have yet to see the stormers take a team apart and show they can dominate a game. this was the perfect chance to show they are the best in the country but in the end 95% of people walked away disappointed. just 2 games where you scored 4 tries and u would be top of the overall log. think about it before u start bashing the bonus point system benefiting the bulls and sharks. idiots

  • Provence - 2012-07-07 17:10

    After watching this weeks RSA rugby, what can one say, ons het agteruit geboer since HM came onto the scene. RSA rugby is in terrible trouble guys. I predict NZ will score a record win against us in the next series, even predict an Argentine victory on their grounds. Such rugby is shameful, both teams should have been pulled off and sent home....and they get huge salaries for what?

      WernerZA - 2012-07-07 17:17

      Jy gee HM te veel krediet. Stormers speel al die hele jaar so... Kick and chase... En defend. Maar Wen rugby is mos wat die supporters soek!

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:19

      Win is a win. Playing badly and still winning is what counts. Maybe you just aren't a real supporter hey. Sure it wasn't great, but look at the score board, that is all that counts.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:21

      Werner praat van kick and chase? hahahahaha That is rich. Don't know your own team? Or watch the game last night? Pot calling the kettle black. What a smart guy.

      WernerZA - 2012-07-07 17:30

      ... Ten minste het die bulle die selfvertroue om die bal te probeer dra. Gister het hulle baie foute gemaak, maar dit Se net dat daar was intent... Stormers speel soos pansies, maar dit werk vir hulle. Hulle het dan die beker gewen.

      lean.sadie - 2012-07-07 17:34

      Das, you play what is on the field, and what weather you get. You don't use the same game plan for each team, that is why it is called a game plan and not a season plan. Sure it is similar, but you use different tactics. Rather have the bad game now than later. Have faith, they will bring the goods when they have too.

      nick.spangenberg.52 - 2012-07-07 18:17

      wow werner you have no clue carrying the ball getting smashed in the tackle dropping the ball losing the ball or in siesss case getting ball roll over play dead when he saw a very big no 9 running to tackle him ou lot sure have some intent more like don't hurt me today's game was spoilt by some shocking weather by the way maureen steyn invented the kick n pray yet again it failed whaha pathetic

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 18:34

      dassie I think I'm starting to like you .. some intellectual honesty

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:47

      WernerZA: ''... Ten minste het die bulle die selfvertroue om die bal te probeer dra. " Ek is seker die Bulls coach het aan die begin van die jaar vir sy span gevra:"..ok manne gaan ons die jaar die bal dra of die conference wen?" Pierre Spies: '' Coach ek en die manne glo ons moet die BAL DRA!" KOM ONS DRA DIE BAL WERNER in jou pienk trui! hahahahahahahaha!

      Provence - 2012-07-07 21:24

      Real supporters acknowledge rubbish when they see it. Blind supporters are happy with everything. Rubbish is rubbish, and good is good.

      Derrick - 2012-07-07 21:33

      @daspoort- as somebody who reads these comments but rarely comments because I'm neither Bulls or Stormers orientated I must say your comment above stands out like a beacon

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:24

      Provence poppies and dassie r showing concern for the team and critisising them as much as anyone but all this lean on me character can do is attack the bulls? Good posts guys, nice to see there are people who are realizing things need to change for the stormers to win this thing. I like that, rubbish is rubbish good is good. Well said. Next week will be a win vs rebels but I hope we see some initiative and see them score 4 tries but I don't see it happening.

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-07-08 12:08

      Three International games into his tenure and HM has screwed up the Super Rugby competition? Provence must be smoking those "poppies"...

  • anwar.addinall - 2012-07-07 17:18

    Not a game to be remembered for long. The weather forced both sides to frustratingly kick a lot of ball. Cheetahs played the conditions very well. Brussouw brilliant! Stormers looked out of it. Yes, we win the game and the conference, but looking at the quality of the likes of the Chiefs and the Crusaders, the playoffs are gonna be a huge hurdle if we don't up our game.

  • hoffjw - 2012-07-07 18:17

    Theres a Cup with no bullS@#t on....STORMERS

  • ronnie.atwell.75 - 2012-07-07 18:32

    pleasr forgive me but it was not my fault that my full comment did not go through. I went on to say Coetsee and the whole team.....etc. I will always be a Stormer, i love my country, it is just that i am so dissapointed year after year. No need for RUDENESS..... Great evening to all.

  • WernerZA - 2012-07-07 18:43

    The lions got a 4 try bonus point tonight... Just saying. At least there was some rugby on TV tonight!

      anwar.addinall - 2012-07-07 19:49

      I preferred last nights game :)

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:49

      DRA jou bal WernerZA!

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-07 22:27

      did the Lions score that 4 try bonus point, AGAINST the MIGHTY STORMERS ??

      johann.mouton.92 - 2012-07-08 00:39

      And so did the sharks last night. The Stormers and the bulls scored both one try each this weekend, the most notable difrance....... The Stormers try was worth 4 log points and the bulls a big 0............... If the stormers play 3 more games like this and win all 3 the cup is in Cape Town...so why don't all the nay sayers out there just sut up and suppport your own teams.\r\nGO Stormers Go!!!!!!!

      P.J. - 2012-07-08 07:23

      Ag los die Lions Supporters uit man, hulle het nog net 1 naweek om op Supper Rugby te comment dan moet hulle vir 'n jaar en 'n half hulle bekke hou en Vodacom Cup kyk!

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-07-08 07:48

      @ Orrin I trust the Stormers will score four tries against the same side the Lions did! After all we scored four tres against the Sharks and the Stormers did not.

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-08 08:45

      different game-plans, Sean .. the Lions can throw EVERYTHING at their opponents (a wee bit too late btw) as they have nothing to lose, but that's just not THE MIGHTY STORMERS game .. WIN FIRST, if we manage to score 4 tries, it's a BONUS ..

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-07-08 12:06

      Agree Orrin, but next weekend you need that bonus point! Maybe the Stormers will surprise everyone with a different game plan? All SA needs to shout the Tahs home against the Reds. Three sides in the playoffs will be a great result for 2012!!!

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-08 13:33

      you got it wrong, Sean !! we only need A point, whether that comes from a win, draw or a losing bonus point (when hell freezes over) for a home semi-final .. 4 tries are irrelevant, unless the chiefs don't get a full house in their last game then THE MIGHTY STORMERS can still challenge for TOP SPOT, with a full-house bonus point victory at NEWLANDS next week !! HERE WE GO STORMERS, HERE WE GO !! ONS STORM SAAM !!!

      heinrich.vanjaarsveld.52 - 2012-07-09 18:55

      Orrin and did the mighty stormers score any bonus points against the lackies lions let me see NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or any other team let me see NO NO NO !!!!!!!!!!! Good talk

  • bfvillet - 2012-07-07 19:49

    die bulle is darem n klomp bitter koeie.Bly nou still gun die stormers die erkenning wat hulle verdien hulle is tweede en julle en die sharks ver agter julle is soos n dronk mens wat heeltyd se ek is nie dronk nie

      anwar.addinall - 2012-07-07 19:58

      As jy 8 driee in 2 games lek is jy 'n bobaas span!

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 20:13

      bjwillet wen did en ek sal die eerste wees wat julle die erkening gee .. maar 2012 SR is nog nie oor en op die oomblik is julle net 'n een dimentionele span wat top of the log is en waarskynlik uit sal wees voor die finale.

      anwar.addinall - 2012-07-07 20:23

      Bf........die baas het gepraat...........bly nou stil asb!! :)

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-07 20:30

      anwar, stop being such a passive aggressive little b1tch . Is what I said incorrect ? Yes ? gat hap is not a counter argument.

      bfvillet - 2012-07-08 06:42

      i agree that they need to add to their game and like campese said tend to play at the level of their opponent but it has been winning and maybe the thinking is to build on this aspect later but for now the goal is winning the super 15. just imagine the defence combined with the attack that we know wp rugby to be it is then that you get to where the crusaders were a few years ago the bulls were just as boring when they won their first title and grew their game after that.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-08 07:09

      Maybe bf , I thought they were really close to the top in 2010 and they were fun to watch too they had a good mix of attack and defense back then .. what the hell happened to this team ? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvy0mhuz_s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQR1jORn9M&feature=related ( 2nd try )

      anwar.addinall - 2012-07-08 11:53

      Me aggressive? Check YOUR language. You expect to say your say (albeit bulls drivel) and everyone else must accept it? Stormers are winning..........one dimensional or not.I'm not prepared to lower myself to your level. You have this hatred for a team who has done you no harm. If they don't score bonus point tries, so what. You should be happy otherwise they would've been more than 8 points ahead of your bulls. If they play crap, so what? Doesn't affect you. Get over yourself.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 12:06

      i think u need to check the meaning of passive aggressive

      Robsschele - 2012-07-08 13:22

      Dra die bal. Lek die driee.

      john.edwards.733450 - 2012-07-08 18:58

      uhm anwar you were being *passive* aggressive and that is a little b1tch move .. Don't shoot the messenger . I don't expect everyone to *accept* it, I KNOW many stormers supporters won't because it causes this thing called cognitive dissonance . I don't hate your team, I did support then to get into the final in 2010 because they're saffa and played rugby BUT I really really do not want them to win this year because there is something wrong with Rugby if a team like the Stomers can defend their way to a title over teams like the Chiefs, Saders Sharks , Brumbies , BBs , Reds . If that happens , I doubt it will but if , then they need to make some rule changes to swing the balance back to teams that play positive Rugby because the Stomer's game will kill Rugby. I've seen some people on international forums calling it a torture and calling for the international criminal court to get involved .

  • jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 20:25

    Daar wen ons die conference alweer en die keer met ons tweede span. STOOOOOORMERSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 22:47

      Eerstens eks nie jou ou nie en tweedens hou jou bek!

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-08 04:46

      Gaan polony jou ou.

  • paul.sdoow - 2012-07-07 21:18

    its funny how when bulls played this style of defence and take the easy points it was called winning rugby now that province are doing it its called borning rugby . typical two years ago wp supporters say please win now that they win they say its boring. i am stormers supporter for life well done boys a win 's a win. final is ours no matter how you win it

      paul.sdoow - 2012-07-07 22:45

      sorry graeme you wrong. bulls play chip and chase and stormers defend and take the opportunity when its there. and the main difference is the stormers can defend the bulls CAN'T . and that's proven in the tries against column.

      paul.sdoow - 2012-07-08 13:47

      i totally agree and get frustrated at seeing the lack of backlgmd movements. but lets go back inn history. when have a team that is performing poorly you work on defence .once you proven and relaxed with that you then get depth and once you can trust each payer in his position them you can start adding flair. its not a one season process but yes i got enjoying the games but hey its winning . and yes time will tell if it can work in final too.

  • carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 21:30

    You Bulls Supporters are so ^&*%# predictable...if you had played like the STORMERS tonight you would have said hey it was the weather and a win is a win! We are winning and you have had your asses kicked, left right and centre. yes you can go on about tries and defence and any other thing you want, anything! We are winning and you are not...simple! Suck it up you tossers...

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 22:13

      thank goodness you are not responsible for the game plan greameltd, otherwise we would also be loosing like you...we are winning and you are loosing...I am very relaxed pal, just tired of you poor, sad, bad loosers making stupid comments cause you have lost yet another game :) By the way, when I was growing up and playing school and club rugby as well as being an usher at Newlands at Saturday games we were taught one thing...Always back your team to the end...If they dont make it, you then back the next closest team...but always your country, and don't knock your other provinces EVER when they play overseas oponents...if the BUlls were on top and Province was out I would support the BULLS..that seems to have been lost in this country or at least in these forums...very sad

      jacques.l.roux.3 - 2012-07-07 22:49

      Hey graemeldt weet jy wat_hou jou bek!

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:12

      Relaxed yes..sad at ridiculous comments, yes... first time on this site no...just don't comment often! If you had seen any of my comments before you would have seen I can't stand the Cape Black Caps, and don't make a general comment like we are ALL bad sports..speak for yourself! The honest open rivalry I love and enjoy...just not the stupid, blatant idiotic bashing for the sake of it. Passion and patriotism is what it's all about...listen to yourself and then think next time you post! As for anybody who does not back there country in an International at ANY sport ... shame on you looser!!!

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:26

      There is no such word as loosing

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:40

      go get a hug graemeltd...you need it!

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:43

      I did not call the Bulls Tossers, or tell you to "hou jou bek" Stop feeling insecure!

  • carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 21:35

    Does Brüssow need to do any more to show he deserves a shot at the BOK jersey...makes me sick!

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:29

      LOSING Tom :)

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:31

      LOSER :)

      carl.dillon.37 - 2012-07-07 23:32

      Not The Stormers Tom :)

      Tom - 2012-07-07 23:46

      .???

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 10:47

      Agreed Carl. Was the main reason the Cheetahs stayed in the game. Was let down by his teammates. A genuine fetcher is vital against the ABs and Wallabies, who rely heavily on quick ball. A perfect example of this was the second tests between Aus , Wales and NZ, Ireland where last minute kicks saved the respective hosts blushes. I would definitely consider him at no.8 , while Vermeulen is injured at the very least.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 10:51

      brussouw at 8th man? really?

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-07-08 12:03

      Tom, obviously Enrico doesn't like Spies! What is it with SA supporters wanting to play these guys out of position? If a Super Rugby franchise coach plays you in a certain position, surely the Bok coach will follow suit? A case in point is Aplon. AC plays him at wing rather than at fullback. Now all the Stormers fans want him to play @ 15 for the Boks??? I don't get the rationale of all this...

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 12:07

      spies is bad right now but to put brussouw there is laughable

  • Claude - 2012-07-07 21:37

    The worst game of the season for decisions vs execution by the Stormers but they will take the win. Whether the Stormers can lead the overall log no longer rests with them.

  • orrinf8 - 2012-07-07 22:17

    I LOVE THIS TEAM !! HERE WE GO STORMERS, HERE WE GO !!!

      Jason Children - 2012-07-08 07:29

      Here we go Stormers! Here we go! Here we go Stormers! Here we go!

      orrinf8 - 2012-07-08 09:32

      STORM SAAM !! :)

  • francois.leroux.33 - 2012-07-07 23:23

    I'll take the win, but that was dissapointing Stormers! A draw would have been a better result. Should have kept the pressure on when they were 1 down, there was loads of time available.. Nice for Bash to try a bit more running but to direct and more passing next time. Maybe all Grant's kick are in front, but they are all over. That's only because we put the opposition under more pressure close up than on the 10 yards. Fair result would have been a DRAW, but congrats on the short cup. Go Sharkies and Bulls(should have played in pink) we know you can get the SA teams in there!

      bertus.dejager.5 - 2012-07-08 09:15

      I agree, Lets support our teams and get three up !!

  • Enrico Capazorio - 2012-07-08 09:30

    Lets look at the facts and just the facts. Most wins in the comp. to date, second only to the Crusaders in points difference, fewest tries conceded in the comp. 18(thats less than 2 a game). Winner of the SA conference. The Stormers only need a bonus point against the Rebels to be guaranteed a home semi. Any coach would have taken that if you offered it to them at the start of the comp.

      sean.brady.14224 - 2012-07-08 11:58

      The problem Enrico, is that only the bravest man would take a bet that the Stormers will get that bonus point! They have not scored a four try bonus point this year. In this year's competition they have already played all the lowest placed sides. This has to be playing on the players minds?

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 12:10

      i agree sean. it has to be in their head that they have not dominated anyone and going into the playoffs the scared tactic is not going to work. would be nice to see an SA team win it but if i had to choose between the sharks bulls and stormers if they all made top 4, i would back the sharks over the stormers and bulls to make it. but even then, the saders and chiefs are potent and have been there and done it before

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 12:14

      @Sean you`re not wrong, try scoring hasn`t been on the top of the Stormers agenda this season, but the Stormers have taken points in every game they've played this season( including two bonus points for the narrow losses against the 'saders and the Sharks). It would take an even braver man to bet that they won`t get any points against the rebels.

  • stompies.hattingh.5 - 2012-07-08 09:31

    Two Conference cups do not give you one S15 cup.

      nibiru.sekkiejorge - 2012-07-08 09:42

      A league cup in any competition does not automatically give you a knock out cup, but a league cup proves you are the best over the duration of the competition

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 09:46

      what does frans ludeke have to do with this? this is the only argument u have? is to compare everything with the bulls? very flattering of you

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 10:00

      @ Tom Just using Frans Ludeke as an example to my comment above. I actually think Frans is a good coach, whats wrong with that? The Bulls have the potential to be a good side in seasons to come. Can only be good for SA Rugby if they are. So whats wrong with comparing yourself with them. Is everything okay Tom you seem tense.

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 10:09

      @ Nibiru. I agree with you. My comments were directed at the content of the article above i.e. the Stormers seals conference title. The South African conference is the toughest in the comp. , with 3 of the best teams in the comp. namely the Stormers, bulls, and sharks. So to clinch the conference title is still an achievement. Here's hoping Bulls, Sharks and Stormers get convincing wins next week and all stay in contention for the title. Wouldn't that be great for SA Rugby.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 10:46

      we are not much stronger as a conference than the new zealanders. they have 4 good teams and one shocking one. we have 3 good teams and 2 shockers. the difference between us and new zealand is we have little depth at all positions of players who have positional competency. steyn cant kick anymore but can defend grant can kick but cant defend and kicking out of hand is weak lambie can attack the line but he also cannot defend none of our centres can offload in the tackle - almost all are crash ball specialists except frans steyn and jj englebrecht. the role of a centre is no longer just crash ball. a guy like j de jongh could be so good but he never gets a chance to shine in the stormers jersey and never makes an impact we are rich with outside backs who are game changers hougaard could be the complete scrummy but his service is slow. who else is there at scrumhalf in this country? sarel? spies cannot control the ball at the back of the scrum which is a basic skill of an 8th man, he carries it like a girl and from a set piece is useless. kankowski is good at s15 and currie cup but always disappoints in the bok jersey. who else at 8? flanks we have a lot of those locks we have juandre kruger and eben etsebeth who could grow into the next matfield and bakkies but etsebeth is not even 21 and he is playing 80 minutes every week. the guy is going to be shot by the age of 25. flip vd merwe looks a bit pathetic this season and bekker is so injury prone

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 10:48

      what about front row? bismark beast and jannie look the complete package. adriaan strauss is the next best at hooker because no one else can throw in at lineouts in this country which is a basic concept. coenie oosthuizen is a machine, fetcher, scrummager, campo stepper. greyling has moments but his discipline is so outrageous and w kruger seems weak. stormers front row looks horrific.

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 11:31

      @Tom. Not much stronger than the other conferences but still stronger. Agree we do have issues in certain positions. Most notably at flyhalf and 8th man but hardly anything that we can`t overcome. I reckon we are still strong contenders for the rugby championship which has an added dimension of more travel for all sides with the inclusion Argentina. This holds us in good stead as the many years of unbalanced fixtures in the tri-nations has made us more capable in achieving away wins in NZ and Aus. , which a lot of our teams Bokke, Stormers, Bulls and Sharks achieve on a regular basis. Now that the travelling is more fair to all teams we are certainly in with a good chance.

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 03:48

      @tom.tardis. Steyn can defend??? What Steyn are you referring too? I hope it is Frans Steyn, because Morne "Turnstile" Steyn has no idea what defence is. To him it is the thing around the stadium!

  • jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-08 10:35

    STORMERS LAST ON TRY SCORING LOG. What is the Stormer game plan for rest of the competition? AC: We will “tackle” every game week by week, And during the quarter final off week that you don’t play? AC: We will “tackle” some problems in our tackling technique. What do you think of the fact that the Stormers are now the lowest try scoring team? AC: Tries? What’s that? Robbie have you heard about it? Must be a new thing the Bulls have invented! Robbie: Jeeeees coach, never heard of it, but one of my primary school coaches called me and said that it’s ok, if we win S15 we will truly be the DEFENDING champs next year, aren’t that sweet!!!

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 10:52

      that is pretty funny but seriously i hope the stormers do beat the rebels with 4 tries next week. just prove it to us doubters that it is possible. show some balls.

      tom.tardis - 2012-07-08 10:53

      every week i look forward to watching all the games except the stormers. please make it entertaining for us. please! last night was a true snoozefest in the mould of the aviva premiership

      ChrisinOz294 - 2012-07-09 04:46

      @tom.tardis. If you do not look forward to the Stormer games, switch off the TV. Push the button. Take some control in your life. For someone who hates watching their games you have a lot to say about them.

  • raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-08 11:04

    Stormers-Take note of Lions game against the Rebels.Don't make a mistake and under estimate this side in your last game.Hopefully,you can score four tries the first time this season.

  • raymond.abrahamse - 2012-07-08 11:23

    South African rugby folk really amaze me.Instead of supporting each other and passing positive and constructive comments,they gloat when of the five franchise's lose a game.You cannot play perfectly in, and win every game,we don't live in a perfect World.In sport,there will ALWAYS be winners and losers,lucky and unlucky times.The Cheetahs are an exciting team and I love their brand of running rugby.I am sure that if the playing conditions were better we would have seen a different game,but,I am happy that we managed to pull this one off. Yes,Brussouw is an amazing player,consistent week after week but,so unlucky not to make the 'bok team.I hope HM has taken note.

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 11:48

      Spot on Raymond. People don`t realise how strong our rugby is at the moment. Our countries simply don`t have depth we have. Three teams in contention for the title and don`t throw away the Cheetahs who achieved most of their wins against overseas teams and came close in a few more. Baby Boks world junior champs. I would even consider Brussouw at 8th man for the boks until Vermeulen is back. He has really worked on his distribution skills, has been carrying the ball well and we all know what he can do on defense, all the attributes of a good solid no.8 and thats what you need at 8 solid, high work rate, not flashy when you are on the front foot but disappears when the game gets tough(no names need to mentioned, if the shoe fits wear it).

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 11:48

      *other countries

  • jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-08 11:38

    Saw on Twitter that the Stormers had to abandon the standard “captains practice” session on Friday. Stormers were unable to fine tune their “game plan” and Robbie had to take the “Flack” for it because he forgot to bring the tackle bags!!!!! Instead they resort to the popular strategic board game called “Risk”, but it was also a complete failure as no one was prepared to “attack” any other player’s territory. The session was eventually completed with a light jog around the hotel - but backwards – not to disrupt their attacking skills.

      enrico.capazorio - 2012-07-08 12:01

      Lol. Good one Jaan( and that comes from me a Stormers supporter). In other news the Sharks were able to have their standard practice session but it was postponed to Friday night at 19h00 and instead of having a light jog around the hotel they conducted a coaching clinic for a Pretoria based charity organisation for under privileged school kids.

      jaan.vanschaick - 2012-07-08 12:28

      Enrico you are so right, it seems as if the Sharks were in complete control from the kickoff and never let go of the “choke chain”!! As a Bull supporter it was both heart breaking and exhilarating, because the nucleus of the Boks will come from Sharks. They played a classic Heyneke Meyer game on Friday, which is actually trade mark Sharks game plan. What is also very encouraging is the huge amount of young talent that are coming into the senior arena – in my humble opinion SA rugby is going to be very competitive if not dominating on the international scene for next five to ten years. Will have to invest in a new couch!

  • aidan.w.naude - 2012-07-08 11:56

    Honestly speaking - We never ever doubted it...

  • jcistheman - 2012-07-08 12:07

    It's a win. I'll take it... ;)

  • Jco - 2012-07-09 07:25

    Congratulations to the Stormers. This year must be your year, do not let this year slip. From a Bull supporter.

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-07-09 10:58

    It would be a good if 3 teams of SA makes the play offs but I fear no one of our teams will make the final.

  • heinrich.vanjaarsveld.52 - 2012-07-09 19:24

    See a lot has been said bout flyhalfs some say morne others say peter and there's pat and dnt forget elton also in the mix but trully from all these flyhalfs none have shown the class of JOHAN GOOSEN of the cheetahs HM said it if johan wasn't hurt he stood a good change of playing for the boks look I'm not a cheetah but damm JG is our next flyhalf he kicks pass running see gaps tackle the other can go learn from him what's a flyhalf but wait dish me for saying this see whts gona happen in the future

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