Stormers down Sharks

2011-04-02 18:51

Cape Town - Springbok flank Schalk Burger made a winning return from injury as he captained the Stormers to a 16-6 win over the Sharks in a Vodacom Super Rugby southern hemisphere clash at King's Park on Saturday.

Burger scored the only try of a bruising, error-ridden South African derby, with both teams struggling to control the ball as rain fell during the second half.

Stormers notched their sixth successive win to remain the only unbeaten team and regain the lead on the competition log.

Sharks could not breach the most effective defence in the Super 15 and could not find any inspiration at the end of four weeks during which they have played four matches in four different countries, including the first Super rugby match in England against the Canterbury Crusaders of New Zealand last week.

"The boys are really tired but there are no excuses," said Sharks captain Stefan Terblanche. "We couldn't hold on to the ball. The Stormers have a fantastic defensive system."

Stormers have conceded only four tries in six matches.

"It was fantastic," said Burger. "We haven't won in the 'Shark tank' since 2004."

Burger said the Stormers would not carried away by their strong start to the season. "The final's a long way away," he warned. "We'll keep on playing week to week."

Burger's 14th-minute try proved the difference between the teams. After fly-halves Peter Grant and Jacques-Louis Potgieter swopped early penalty goals, Burger took advantage of a searing break by Springbok centre Jaque Fourie, who burst to within 10 metres of the Sharks line.

Although Fourie was tackled by fullback Louis Ludik he was able to release the ball for Burger to pick up and score.

Burger, who was out of action for five weeks after suffering a knee injury in his team's first match of the season, showed his delight by booting the ball into the crowd.

Stormers dominated the early exchanges and went 13-3 ahead when Grant landed a second penalty goal, but the Sharks showed good composure.

With hooker Bismarck du Plessis and flank Willem Alberts prominent, the home side put pressure on the Stormers line but only pulled back three points before half-time with a second penalty by Potgieter, who missed two other attempts.

One of Potgieter's misses hit the right upright and almost resulted in a try, with Bismarck du Plessis following up and getting to the ball first but knocking on with the line only 10 metres away.

Heavy rain fell at the start of the second half and the only score in the last 40 minutes was a third penalty by Grant.


15 Louis Ludik, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Stefan Terblanche (captain), 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 JP Pietersen, 10 Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Ryan Kankowski, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira

Substitutes: 16 John Smit, 17 Eugene van Staden, 18 Gerhard Mostert, 19 Jacques Botes, 20 Conrad Hoffmann, 21 Adrian Jacobs, 22 Lwazi Mvovo

15. Gio Aplon, 14. Danie Poolman, 13. Jaque Fourie, 12. Jean De Villiers, 11. Bryan Habana, 10. Peter Grant, 9. Dewaldt Duvenage, 8. Duane Vermuelen, 7. Francois Louw, 6. Schalk Burger (captain), 5. Andries Bekker, 4. Rynhardt Elstadt, 3. Brok Harris, 2. Deon Fourie, 1. Wicus Blaauw

Substitutes: 16. Ethienne Reynecke, 17. CJ Van Der Linde, 18. De Kock Steenkamp, 19. Nick Koster, 20. Ricky Januarie, 21. Gary Van Aswegen, 22. Juan De Jongh


  • Andy49 - 2011-04-02 18:57

    STORMERS now 6 from 6, Sharks lose 3 on trot. Stormers bt Bulls & Sharks away to break the hoodoo.

      Andy49 - 2011-04-02 19:07

      Yes Cliff it is but sometimes we prefer the solitude winners.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:22

      The Stormers deserved their win today. It was a hard game! Some of the players who stood out for me where F.Louw, S Burger (and I am no fan), Becker, Elstad (Pity about the injury!) and J fourie. Vermeulen (and I AM a fan) faded into obscurity. Well when he was not trying to do a Piere Spies and impress us with his muscles. You know, if he spends the same amount of time playing as he does getting into "handbags"... he would surely be our Bok no 8. For the Sharks, Ablberts was a animal! His defence is fantastic! Beast had a fantastic game. Bismark was disapointing. JLP... well yeah. It lloked like he wants a new holiday home in CT! The Sharks wher enot up to it. And I had R50 on the sharks for a win by 7.

      Skiballas - 2011-04-02 20:31 wasnt a headbutt. surely the average rugby onlooker could see he purely dropped is head to get underneath Duane to drive him off the ruck.If it was an attempted headbutt, then Bismarck must be blind, as he missed Duane's head by a clear margin.

      RJ - 2011-04-02 20:31

      Who is this molefeP Moffie, You only had a fifty Rand Shows how little faith you had in the Sardines

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:23

      I'd suggest the Stormers supporters stay humble. Playing great rugby, but this was a close encounter - don't get carried away now. I must admit, the Stormers and Bulls fans seem to be the most insulting bunch in the comments they make. Beware the Bulls, anyone writing them off already is brain dead.

  • Mark - 2011-04-02 18:57

    And all that B/S talk of the of the stormers being the underdogs?

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:25

      Mind games.

      watalife - 2011-04-03 17:15

      bulls cant play mind games, they have no brains...hehehe...bulls =loser

  • Robin - 2011-04-02 19:00

    the sharks backline must be rated as one of the weakest within sa rugby. both centres cannot tackle, bosman is just a crap replacement. and with potgieter we will always be 10 metres behind the gain line. makes you a little worried that our buys for this season are no name brands. where are marque signings we use to be able to do

      Dal2000 - 2011-04-02 19:13

      Agree fully. Our centre is pathetic. Stefan was always a fullback, now a centre of mediocre quality. Both of them are slow.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:47

      It's a pity for you Sharks chaps that Marius Joubert couldn't arrive sooner.....

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:28

      Agree, our backline is very average. Adi should start, he at least has the ability to penetrate a defence. Bosman and JLP have been dissapointing. Got to admite, they did manage to shut down the 2 best centres in the country quite effectively, I was worried WP may run us off our feet in the open play.

      Jamiside - 2011-04-03 07:52

      The sharks miss Patrick Lambie. Would have been a much better game with him there. But for goodness sake get rid of JP "fumbles, I don't have a clue" Petersen. With him on the field the Sharks are playing with 14 men. Same goes for that useless, John "I don't know which position I can play in" Smit. Once you get rid of them, the team will play better.

  • RJ - 2011-04-02 19:03

    Sick tempoSick tempoSick tempoSick tempoSick tempoSick tempoSick tempoSick tempo of the sharks, showed they couldn't maitain thr own game, but credit to the stormers they just look so great winning tight games like it aint a dam thing funy.

      Fiftybucks - 2011-04-02 19:12

      Hats off to the superior team, once again we manage to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory and as useless as Potgieter is the culrprit as in the Chiefs game is once again glory boy Mcleod, he must f$%% off to Vodacom Cup till he learns that rugby is a team sport.

      RJ - 2011-04-02 20:12

      You were never going to win one thing you don't do is give stormers a lead they don't loose from thr... Sharks looked better in Hamilton

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:33

      Fiftybucks - McCleod is the second best scrummie in the country at the moment as far as I'm concerned. The loss was due to the team making too many mistakes - and poor goal kicking. Must admit, rain and rugby don't go well together either. Close the stadiums!

      Fiftybucks - 2011-04-03 11:01

      If Mcleod is currently rated as the second best scrummie we are screwed, he has no idea on how to make the right decision. He is pure glory boy, if he had passed we had a try, and as in the game against the Chiefs he tries to do it all himself with stupid halfbreaks down the blindside losing the ball in contact every time and handing possession and the clock back to the opposition when you should be setting up the next move and maintaining possession. THere is a time and place for those moves and that is when you are dominating and are driving to drive the last nail in not when you are fighting to stay in the game. Our pack was far more dominant but our 9-13 was poor and that is what cost us. I would however like to know when the law regarding deliberate shoulder charges and tackling someone around the throat was changed, Kaplan must be suffering from oldtimers and should be put out to pasture.

  • Zion - 2011-04-02 19:12

    This will be the day that I die. Have been waiting a long time for this to happen. In fact if any team beats the sharks that is ok. The Sharks are too full of themselves and just plain arrogant. What goes up must come down with a bump. Stormers forever.

      Dal2000 - 2011-04-02 19:21

      The Sharks only seem arrogant to you because they beat you guys in the CC final, and plenty of other times bar today. "What goes up must come down with a bump", so we'll be seeing the Stormers crash out of the final again? Thats usually when they go down with a bump :)

      Guz - 2011-04-02 19:36

      Well, then let the Stormers go down with a bump...rather be there at the final to go down with the bump, than not even be there at all, hehe. STORMERS! - My superbru looks great, I said the stormers by 10...and that's exactly what happened. Lekke

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-04-02 20:36

      Sweet victory! I dislike the Sharks and their supporters even more than the Bulls

      Lloyd - 2011-04-02 22:01

      Stormers = losers for 11 years. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:33

      Lloyd :Your comment shows your lack of intelligence , interlect & upbringing , because if you dont want to waste your dad's money at the low class "Verbeterings Skool" that you attend , please learn to add & subtract .My grandchild of 6 got it right first time : 2001 -2010 = 9 years . So shut up you imbecile !!!!!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:39

      Stormers and Bulls fans always have the most insulting comments on these forums, and yet refer to us Sharks supporters as arrogant. I was in Pretoria when the Sharks first won the CC, I have never experienced worse losers than the Bulls - it was disgusting. Don't know about those okes in the Cape first hand, but your comments tend to suck.

      Zion - 2011-04-03 08:26

      Just a note to the detractors of the Stormers, Those suurgat ones. The team that scores the highest points is the best team and the winner of the game. This law is absolute and nothing can be done about it. If the referee interferes with the run of a game to the point where the better team is prejudiced and would other wise have won the game then it is totally acceptable because the Referee has been elevated to the lofty position of a God. Ever heard a ref say sorry? What is said here is God decided that Stormers would win because they are the beter team.

      Jaco - 2011-04-03 08:36

      Zion it's a pity that the Stomers supporters didn't have the same attitude after last years final.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 09:14

      Jaco : Please don't count me into your "Stormers Supporters " as you put it , I know I always say go & check , but do it , I was first on the comments & first to congratulate the Bulls last year , Ask "Unabashed Dutchman" he can vouch for me !!!

      Jaco - 2011-04-03 10:00

      I never said your name Cliff. Not everything is about you. - 2011-04-03 10:34

      Loyd , Province still have more currie cup wins than natal , LOSERS hahahahahaha....... 3 in a row now , time to drop all the Sharks from the bok squad.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 17:06

      Jaco : No-one says it is , just that I always congratulate the Bulls , They do do a lot for SA Rugby and I felt offended when you said" it's a pity that the Stomers supporters didn't have the same attitude after last years final " , and I was first to say well done , did not blame the ref , or say we played badly , admitted that the better team won !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!

      Atoombom - 2011-04-03 21:37

      @Lloyd, you are a loser since you were born. Your mother just feels sorry for you. Grow up, snotnose!

  • Paull Davis - 2011-04-02 19:13

    This is the worst game I have ever watched. I cant decide which side played worse, probably the sharkies but the crusaders are still going tho destroy all these poor south african sides.

      heinrich beatoo - 2011-04-02 19:20

      We will see about that.

      Andy49 - 2011-04-02 19:34

      Yes Paull, we heard the same from the Bulls & Sharks supporters before their respective games against us Stormers. May the best team on the day win.

      Ian - 2011-04-02 19:43

      You obviously haven't watched very many tight games then. This was local derby stuff. Sharks made too many errors but the Stormers a bad side? Come on. As for the Crusaders, we will wait and see what happens to their fancy footwork when they play a top defensive side like the Stormers who will match them in every facet of the game.

      Mikey - 2011-04-02 22:01

      42 -14 was it? Doos

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:42

      Paul, did you notice the rain - and do you realise that even without rain the humidity in Durban makes the ball slippery as hell. Crusaders are looking good, but don't overestimate them - Saffer teams have dominated this tourno the last couple of years.

  • Abe Viljoen - 2011-04-02 19:23

    Worst I have seen the sharks in a very long time, now take the fact that JLP missed 9 points again. Suddenly the Stormers only just managed a win against a very poor show from the Sharks. Crusaders will take it with ease this year.

      Andy49 - 2011-04-02 20:00

      The final score was 16-6 in favour of the Stormers, those are the points that are on the board & recorded as the game stats, not what might have been IF only. A win by 1 point is still a win & worth 4/5 points

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-04-02 20:37


      Mikey - 2011-04-02 22:02


      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:44

      Agree Abe, a good win but a lot of it was gifted by the Sharks. If I was a Stormer fan I'd try to stay humble over this victory. Never good to get a big head.

      Guz - 2011-04-03 12:04

      @ChumScrubber , you make me laugh. I think you should replace "gifted" in your post with PRESSURE! - It was pressure applied from kick-off that led to sharks panic and errors, face it.

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 19:25

    Good evening Sports fans. First a well done to the Bulls, and a special well done to Wynand Olivier. Pierre Spies is still cr@p. He improved - yes, but should chat to Sir Duane for tips on what is expected from an 8th man... MY STORMERS......ka-chinggggggggggggggggggg. Not a great game, but will take the win. Elstadt, VERMEULEN, Burger and Louw - take a bow. Willem Alberts is UNREAL and continues to impress. I am one happy camper. Credit to both Stormers and Sharks for the amazing physicality on both sides - yes it is wonderful to witness open, running rugby, but it is JUST as cool to witness such an IMMENSE physical bashing. Cheetahs & Lions unlucky.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 19:43

      And: I am looking for the soul who laughed at me before the Stormers 1st game, when I mentioned just what a talented and 'physical' youngster Mr Elsatdt is....I hope from what you saw this evening dear soul (wherever you are) you have been impressed with the 21 year old kid. Elstadt is BAKKIES WITH BRAINS......winning combo.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:28

      Just worried about Elstad injury! Hope he is OK!

      Jay - 2011-04-03 06:25

      Nice post and I agree. Willem alberts..........he is a beast! Stormers are playing good all round Rugby. Stormers 4 life!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:48

      Thanks for a decent comment SAFFA. My Bulls mates were moaning that Wynand never passes - well look what happened when he passed the ball. Never say never. Great win for the Bulls, hopefully they're gonna dish out some more carrots to the foreign teams. Cheetahs and Lions just seem to miss that winning mojo - such a fine line.

  • Muzi Msimango - 2011-04-02 19:55

    Geez was is it with the willem alberts obsession. Those commentators Warren Brosnihan And Andy Cappy whatever you call him are in love with alberts. Everytime alberts took the ball up they went crazy..... Hell even the stormers loose trio tackled alberts but still they went crazy. What is it with South Africans being obsessed with a big guy who loves crashing the ball up. Today Bismark Du plessis was smashed damn he got nailed even koster smashed him... Albert went off because he was feeling the heat. I am waiting for the day alberts gets a bad injury or gets too tired he should learn to make the ball to the talking smashing into players will eventually get your body vert tired. The sharks rely wat too much on alberts ans bissie. Kankowski thinks he is a centre yes we know you can step you belong in the damn rucks.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:08

      @Muzi - what you are saying here about Kanko, is my PET gripe with regard to Spies (I know you disagree with me on Pierre - but read what you have typed & apply it to Spies. No-one needs a showpony at 8....) We need brutal, physical, "blood & guts" men who DON'T want glory....(and if they are great in the lineout as well, as 8th men - BONUS) I have nothing against Pierre mate, but anyone watching tonights physical battle in the POURING RAIN - a la New Zealand later in the year, should realise that what we NEED at 8, is NOT what is being currently selected there.

      Kaapie - 2011-04-02 20:25

      Alberts was awesome but collective the Stormers hard men outmuscled the Sharks upfront with Louw outstanding. ermeulen and Elstadt not far behind. Watched Bulls this am, and whatever did Spies to last season and uptil now to deserve a Bok contract I really dont know. I think Sharks locks are a little soft and centres crap.

      pop101 - 2011-04-02 20:28

      Picked it up too Muzi, Warren Brosnihan And Andy Cappy are both Shark supporters.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:29

      Muzi, it is more than his ball carying. Pay attention to his defence. He is fantastic! On at least 3 ocasiosn in this game he denied the Stormers the advantage line by making a killer tackle. The guy really is that good!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:50

      @Pop101 - then you should be relieved that Lambie (who I seriously like as a player) wasn't playing this evening. Andy Cap virtually blows up with excitement for the full 80 mins......Lambie this, Lambie that, his father, his grandfather, young Pat Lambie. I cringe on young Lambie's behalf..........

      Andy49 - 2011-04-02 21:17

      @SAFFA-CAT you stole my comment! what is "Crap-Ees-Stagnant's" obsession with Lambies age?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:26

      @Andy49 - I find it rather creepy to be honest........Keegan Daniel can score a beaut of a try, and guaranteed Andy's commentary will go something like this: "Keegan Daniel under the posts. Lambie will now take the conversion, I watched this young man slot 6/6 in the preg-game warmup, oooh I hope I haven't put the mockers on him now, and for those of you who watch young Lambie you will know this isn't his favourite angle, oooooh now I really hope I haven't put the mockers on him, his grandfather is here in the stands, what a wonderful influence he has had on young Lambie's career as has his dad, who is also here in the stands, they don't miss a game, ooh I hope I haven't given Lambie the commentators curse, you heard it here, you will be hearing the name Lambie a heckuva lot more in the future........." The try that was scored fades into oblivion and gets 2 secs of Andy's time........

      GraemeBB - 2011-04-02 23:37

      @ JIK: Well done to Stormers. As I said, best team in SA. What more proof do you want. @ SAFFA: Burger and Flo (respecting this man big) were brilliant - Duane is solid, but not as impressive as you make him out to be. Jaques Fourie and Aplon brilliant (no mention?) Peter Grant Mr Reliable (no mention). Just say you hate Spies, because calling every performance KAK shows us that you arent watching the games, and frankly, we know what you will be saying for the next 10 weeks - so boring. Now - interesting to note: Bismark is worse than Bakkies. I was pissed with the blatant headf-butt, and Duane should have knocked him out. He always wants to fight. Bekker almost broke McLeod's neck with a strangle. Bekker also becoming a bit "vuil" these days. Just a few incidents of note. Oh, the Bulls lost by 10, and Sharks too.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 06:59

      Willem Alberts is more than just a smash ball carrier, he defends like demon as well. Andy and Warren are just annoying, full stop. Bismarck is getting too big for his boots, all muscle - but the brain seems to be shrinking. Kanko is like Spies, only impressive when he breaks away. Bekker had better tone down his aggression as well, he's starting to get a reputation. Sharks are missing Lambie big time.

  • Muzi Msimango - 2011-04-02 20:00

    Duene Vermuelen yes he was damn good on defence BUT what did he offer on attack nothing he was like alberts busy crashing up the ball. The real number 8 in the stormers team is that bishops ex boy nick koster he is a class number 8 he has all the skills to b a great 8thman. Vermuelen played his best rugby at number 7 when luke watson was number 8 for me duene aint the complete number 8 that is why he will not jump pierre spies and ryan kankowki both these athletes offer more in attack than vermuelen .

      RJ - 2011-04-02 20:25

      You are really a poophol .... vermuelen was the most watched guy on the field ... When kostercame on he was fresh the other guys were all bruised... I don't deny that Koster is the Future the the present is vermuelen. How did Ashley Johnson get a call up to him ahead of him last year...

      Kaapie - 2011-04-02 20:27

      Muzi, one plays a horses for courses game.. I certainly rate Vermeulen as a good Ball carrier and perhaps you right maybe Koster will be a great no 8. Even now he is better than Spies..All the no8 in S15 are better!

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:30

      I also thought that Duane did not have his best game today.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:31

      @Muzi - You need an 8 that offers something on attack if you're an All Black. Our gameplan will not be changing before the WC, so to be brutally honest, on those heavy, wet fields over there, I would feel safer with a defensive no 8. Spies or Kanko are impact players......(once the HARD FORWARD DOMINANCE HAS BEEN ACHIEVED) I do not see the Bok forwards being massively dominant, which will mean Spies is expected to grind it out - something he does not embrace, but runs away from. Give me a SOLID, PHYSICAL 8 any day of the week mate - Sonny Bill vs Spies or Vermeulen? Anyways we can agree to disagree......

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:36

      @Molefe - I think Duane spent half the game dodging Bissie, who seemed to be 'out' to nail him :)

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:38

      @Kaapie - Koster is a fine 8 - even as a school kid he was uber talented. A few legendary games when he captained Bishops - most notably, against Paul Roos - best schoolboy game of rugga I have even seen.Muzi is correct in terms of his skill etc etc, and he has been damn unlucky with injury as well. Then Rassie stuffed him up on the wing as well...eish. But, young Koster has a bag of tricks that most would envy.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:42

      @SAFFA, there was a certain amount of tension wasn't there!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 07:02

      RJ - do you need to throw an insult when someone gives his opinion. You are the poo paul.

  • RJ - 2011-04-02 20:03

    I was just Disappointed with the stormers attack, They were a bit Conservative, they should have taken the sharks appart... But they had a good game plan... Now for the REDS next week...

      pop101 - 2011-04-02 20:30

      They would have, but unfortunately Wynand Olivier passed the ball....and it started to rain in Durbs.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:56

      @pop101, well, the opposition was so suprized that they let in a try!

      RJ - 2011-04-02 21:06

      Scrambling like sardines do! and Burger took the box meal from KFC like the man he is.

  • molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:16

    This is going to have to be in the form of more than one post. So bear with me. Law 20.2 (a) All players in a position to shove. When a scrum has formed, the body and feet of a front row player must be in a normal position to make a forward shove. There is also Law 20.8 (g) Twisting, Dipping or collapsing. Front row players must not twist or lower their bodies, or pull opponents, or do anything that is likely to collapse the scrum, either when the ball is thrown in or afterwards. Law 20.8 (i) Lifting or forcing an opponent up. A front row player must not lift an opponent in the air, or force an opponent upwards out of the scrum, either when the ball is being thrown in or afterwards. This is dangerous play. A weak loosehead, who can't handle the pressure of a tighthead square on, deliberately packs wide, trying to kid the referee that his opponent is causing a split. Another ploy is simply to stand up when the scrum starts to go backwards and pretend that the opposition are pushing upwards, which is illegal. Does any of this look familiar to anybody who watched the game today? Stormers, you guys MUST do something about your props! All it is going to take is a referee who patrols the scrums and you guys are goign to get nailed! Please let this not be against somebody like the Crusaders! Blaauw, vd Linde and Harris are just not cutting it! They are letting you down!

      RJ - 2011-04-02 20:40

      You can't just be happy for the stormers, hell is if they played to thr full potential it would not look great for SA rugby... Sharks should count themselves lucky...... Sharks should play JP at center = hell if Terblance is the best the sharks have then Plumtree better get ear surgery because those big ears are thr to hear and listern...

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:40

      @Molefe: indeed, the front row.....massive concern. No arguments there.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-04-02 20:41

      Thank God I will never have to watch a game with you. Once, about 25 years ago, I was invited to a box at Loftus - it turned out to belong to some Referee Association - I havent recovered fully to this day.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:48

      @RJ, what would you rather have? Sombody pointing out a glaring error? Or getting a yellow card in a game against the Crusaders? I know what I would choose.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:50

      @CharlSkeptic, heh, I can feel your pain. Just trying to emphasise a point, and where I lack the vocabulary I have to depend on the laws.

      Whatever - 2011-04-03 00:21

      Molefe is jy gesuip?Gaan praat stront met jou kinders in die zoo man.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:45

      MolefeP : i know you don't worry , but anyway stuff these guys that talk crap (Whatever / Whoever , don't think he knows his name , nevermind the laws ), good to see a guy who knows the laws ,!!!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 07:10

      What I can't see is how do they decide who is guilty, it never looks that obvious to me. In fact most of the laws seem easy to twist, I find half the calls at rucks are 50/50 - very confusing, and can see it on the players faces. These guys are pro's , they should know the laws - but I think they're just too confusing for most to understand. I think Whatever is gesuip or too dof to express an opinion to your post. Are you convinced the Stormers were guilty, or is it just a gut feel?

      MrT - 2011-04-03 09:11

      @ molefeP.....because the scrum went up you naturally think its is the stormers front row....what a dick...did you not notice the same thing happened when the sharks played the crusaders ? the so called sprinbok front row is crap, continually scrumming in and up.

      GraemeBB - 2011-04-03 09:43

      @ Chum - agreed. 50/50 calls. A clever prop can manipulate the situation. It doesnt even seem clear to the expert announcers. MR T - when Beast went on against the Crusaders, the scrum was solid.

      molefeP - 2011-04-03 20:25

      @Chum & Mr.T. Take it from a Prop, I quoted the laws I saw being broken. Watch Blaauw, he is the worst of the 3 Stormers Props for hinging and scrumming in. Brock Harris is the main one for standing up in a scrum. CJ actually gets PUSHED out of the Scrum. The point is, the scrum laws state that it is illegal to stand up in a scrum. Be it pressure, be it tactical, does not matter. It is against the law. Yes I agree that it is often a 50/50 call, and why I get so angry when referees who know nothing about the Scrum tries to get clever. But do yourself a favour and pay particular attention come scrum time. Then as reference watch Guthro Steenkamp. There is not one prop in the country that he is not absolutely bullying at the moment. You are always welcome to quote laws back at me. Nothing better than a good debate!

  • RJ - 2011-04-02 20:17

    EVEN if PATRICK "fish finger" LAMBIE was thr they would still have lost, Stormers just look hungry and they are just taking it week by week...Must say they looked a little off today I think that even the PAMPA'S could have scored more tries..

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:53

      @RJ - Mate the Pampas 15 are kicking serious @ss in the Vodacom Cup......

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:00

      They are top of the Southern conference, ahead of the Stormer! Very impressive. With just about the whole Argentinian team playing in Franc, this is a fantastic opportunity for the guys who are knocking on the door.

      RJ - 2011-04-02 21:08

      In Know SAFFA, just had to throw it in thr.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:09

      @Molefe - yup, we had a good win today though as well :) 60-0

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:21

      @SAFFA, very impressive indeed.

  • Bobsuruncle - 2011-04-02 20:32

    Well done Stomers!! you have made us proud! Can't wait to rub this one in the one shark supporter at the office face on Monday (hehhehe!)

      pop101 - 2011-04-02 20:39

      I thought the bull supporters were bad, but seeing the words coming from the mouths of those sharks supporters on TV...well, they are right up there with the bull supporters.

      Andy49 - 2011-04-02 21:28

      @pop101 agreed, did you happen to see that one sharks dude about to have an aneurysm? He was so red in the face (whole head in fact) from venting his frustrations at his Sharks, even the commentators were concerned about his state of health, hope he is OK now.

      FerretGee - 2011-04-02 22:51

      @pops101 - So your teams supporters NEVER swear and carry on at bad decisions or at opposition players? . It happens in all grounds and from all different supporters. I have seen fans from every province vent their spleens at refs and bad decisions. It goes with the game. Take of your "holier than thou" blinkers.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:48

      Bobsuruncle: Don't be ugly now , you may sound like "LLOYD , ALWYN KRUGER & Gang" take the win graciously , like the champs we will be !!!!

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:51

      FerretGee: your name sounds like the miserable little weasel it is related to , check the Newlands faithfull next home game (1) Never swear & rant, (2) Never leave early -Like at Loftus , I will give you one -They chirp the opposition kicker , but thats rugby for you, Don't be sour cause you got ass-whipped !!!!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 07:15

      CliffBradley - hmmm, I'll have to watch Newlands carefully next weekend. I don't believe you, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt. Bob - not very brave to pick on "the one" dude. Not very brave. Keep it humble, you never know what arrogance can do when it comes back and bites you on the ........

      Jaco - 2011-04-03 08:53

      Chum, I've got first hand experience of Newlands. When you go with a bunch of friends, theNewlands faithful tend to behave but when you only go with your young son it's a totally different story. Off course there are decent fans but there are also the uncultured hooligans like any other place. I've got a feeling that someone with a guilty consience are going to reply heftily to this comment.

      FerretGee - 2011-04-03 09:09

      @CliffBradley - Nowhere did I say I was sour, Bad behaviour is not condonable by any fans. I understand the game and accept defeat, I have said the Stormers were full value for their elsewbere on the page which you clearly missed in your haste to comment. The Stormers fans at home are not innocent by any stretch of the imagination. And giving the bird to a kicker is also boorish in any stadium in the world in my opinion. But that's fans for you!

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 09:18

      ChumScrubber: You are welcome to check , please come back to me on the next monday !!!

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 09:20

      Jaco - You know what ol'chap , if you go to church , (Not saying you don't) not all the people are saved ( Food for thought hey !!!)

      Jaco - 2011-04-03 10:08

      'Off course there are decent fans but there are also the uncultured hooligans like any other place.' Cliff, please read the whole comment next time. Like I said somewhere up top - Not everything is about you. Don't take everything so personal.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 17:11

      Jaco: Ok , but with some of the IDIOTS , you know who I am talking about , they always get personal , CHEERS

  • molefeP - 2011-04-02 20:34

    Oh, and I think Bismark is going to get cited for the headbutt. What a stupid "Bakkies" thing to do!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 20:56

      @Molefe - I am seriously chuffed the Bulls pulled it through this morning. They just went back to their strengths and got the basics right, most of the time. Ek weet nie wie was meer geskok to Olivier die lyn breek.....ek of hy.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:01

      @SAFFA, the first half they did better, but the second half the rot set in again. But I will take the win!

      darkwing - 2011-04-02 21:06

      Don't criticize Olivier, Saffa. Don't you realize he's bringing in the new sponsors for the Springboks, namely L'Oreal? When he gets injured he yells, 'Eina! Eina!, lyk my hare okay?'

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:08

      @Molefe - they are still kicking too much ball away.....and a better team than the Canes (read Crusaders next week) might punish them badly....Granted, the pinpoint kicks with a wing like Basson who is so good in the air = incredible when it works, maar....kan ook groot troubles beteken. They don't need to kick so much possession away, they look good when they keep the ball in hand through the phases. So I can't understand the mindset? But, it was frikkin important to get the win - and they did!

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:13

      @SAFFA, you ar epreaching to the converted. I agree 100%. There where times in the game where I felt like pulling my hair out at those kicks. That said, Basson deserves a medal. That guys has the heart of a Lion.

      RJ - 2011-04-02 21:22

      DID JLP really think that he was going to out run GIO lol looks like everybody afraid of aplon the sharks messed up about 3 tries when they saw aplon and company infront or behind them.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:34

      @Molefe - oh yes, Mr Basson is a classy wing. Pure Bok. That backline of yours needs another half decent centre though.....and no Juan de Jongh is not for sale. Why has Watermeyer fallen out of favour with Ludeke? I like that kid, and he offers a heckuva lot more.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:43

      @ SAFFA, It is not just Watermeyer. Stephan Dipenaar also just faded into obscurity. Imagine if we had TWO centers! Why on earth Ludicrous persists on Jaco Pretorius.... And then there is the imfamous Mr. Revlon! You know offcourse that after todays try we will NEVER get rid of him? I honestly belive that the Bulls back line just do not believe in themselves.

  • RJ - 2011-04-02 20:45

    Sharks down to 8th on the logg LOL, SA champions well at least the lions will be easy to beat infront of your home crowd.... And at least you still have us at newlands Maybe you will win that game not likely but hey the Bulls still waiting for the YOU... So Good luck.

  • Witsand local - 2011-04-02 20:48

    This Stormer team is good! Good to see Schalk back and looking as good as ever. Will be interesting come Bok selection time- maybe a loose trio of Burger, Alberts , Vermeulen? Spies might be better coming of the bench a la Skinstadt back in the day! Elstadt is another mouth watering prospect.

      RJ - 2011-04-02 21:11

      Yes almost forgot about Elstadt, Is he only 21 My Gosh he is huge, on and off the field

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:19

      Any news on Elstad's injury? I really hope that it is not serious! That youngster just does not stop impressing me.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:30

      @RJ - he is a beaut of a talent......even at age group level, massive heart, massive presence, massive workrate...and he is in fact a retreaded lock - flank is where he has played most of his rugga.

  • Gerrie Kruger - 2011-04-02 21:32

    Stormers' supporters are obviously not use to winning. All your comments echo loudly... they echo loudly in the back of your empty trophy cabinet! The Bulls, SA's most successful super rugby franchise ever won 3 trophies in 4 years! Now put that in your pipe and smoke it amateurs! Only until you've actually won the trophy then maybe you can add your 5 cents worth, until then, stay out of the grownup conversations.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 21:38


      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-04-02 21:41

      Have another brannas and Pick n Pay Cola mate...the night is but an embryo....

      RJ - 2011-04-02 21:48

      LOL whr di he come from? I think it's from the Past how long back, when Dinosaurs still played rugby

      Lloyd - 2011-04-02 22:05

      I agree Gerrie. Couldn't have said it better myself.

      Gerrie Kruger - 2011-04-02 22:09

      What do you guys do in the Cape, sniff glue and drink cheap 'afval wyn' you bought at WP Kelders? Whats that song the WP fans sing at Newlands: Hoes Hoes Jou Ma Se...? Now you have yourselves a lovely evening.

      molefeP - 2011-04-02 22:11

      Hoes Hoes, my ma sal jou bek uit was met seep as sy jou so hoor praat!

      Witsand local - 2011-04-02 22:39

      All that trophies- not helping the Bulls much this season.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:55

      Gerrie Kruger : Lekker suurgat ne - It shows lack of class , a supporter takes the good with the bad , check out the Newlands crowd - Always loyal , never leave early , ala Moftus !!!

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:56

      Lloyd: You would agree , got just the same upbringing - ZERO ,ZULCH , NUL & Nothing

      Vincent - 2011-04-03 08:12

      They why are the champions looking up? Should they not be looking down on the log? How about wake up. The past means nothing. If that is the case, then you must shut up until the bulls have won more trophies than the crusaders.

      Bootman - 2011-04-03 09:21

      Gerrie must be Alwyn's retarded brother....

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 09:23

      Lloyd -Like I said - ZERO ,ZULCH , Nul - In Afrikaans BOGGERoL !!!!

      Stormer4eva - 2011-04-03 09:27

      I am just glad I am not a piece of crap like LLoyd - You are an Idiot.

      pop101 - 2011-04-03 10:47

      Lloyd, is that Jurie Els in your profile pic? Too small, can't really make out. - 2011-04-03 11:21

      Agggggg Gerrie have another Brandy and coke you FAT useless Dutchman , Pretoria is a S**t hole. And tell you what , when you above us on the log come and talk but for now piss off and go comment on Pig farming or whatever you dutchman are good at.

      Guz - 2011-04-03 12:18

      Ja ne, kyk nou net na Lloyd se comments, dus nou wat gebeur as jou ma jou te veel op jou kop laat val het.

      Lloyd - 2011-04-03 12:44

      Wow julle ouens se chirps is awesome. Waar kry julle etters dit?

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-04 06:55

      Lloyd: As jy soos n BLOU BUL ONDERSTEUNER operate , met goedkoop brannas & twista cola , kom hulle ( chirps) maklik A-Hole !!!

  • gene lou - 2011-04-02 21:41

    genugtig !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ek word wra-agtig geraporteer oor n kompliment wat ek gee vir Saffa-cat . Dit darm rerig n sad sad world as komplimente geraporteer word .

  • FerretGee - 2011-04-02 22:40

    Kaplan did have a bit of a shocker, he missed Andries Bekkers near strangulation of Charl McCloud, He blew Smit for "holding back" Schalk Burger when he clearly just got in the way. He also missed a few Stormers knock-ons, none of which were the cause of a Sharks poor display but didn't help with any Sharks continuity. Hate to say it but the Stormers were full value for their win and the Sharks, well they were pretty dismal. A certain try was on and all it would have taken was a pass to Ndungane, but instead McCloud tripped over his own feet. Bismarck also missed a golden opportunity when the ball bounced off the poles. Today, the Stormers passing all went to hand and the Sharks passes all went to ground. Therein lies the difference between the two sides. But to the Stormers fans, let's not get ahead of yourselves just yet, there is still a long way to go and an overseas tour to navigate. It's a marathon not a sprint!

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 07:22

      2 tries thrown away. Ja, Stormers can be happy they won this one - but they seem under the impression they ran away with it. Also poor kicking by JLP.

      Vincent - 2011-04-03 08:22

      I would also not get to ahead of myself if I were you. Ref also missed Bismaark strangling a stormers play, just like Bekker did. Also missed him diving into the ruck head first. Missed JP Pieterson swinging punches at bekker for no reason. Also missed a knock on or two and forward passes. And stormers also had try opportunities they did not take, so what if they also finished them?

  • Mickey Fin - 2011-04-03 02:40

    And the star performer for the Stormers was- Charl McLeod! Someone needs to tell this little prick that he no longer plays his rugby in the Cape. Stormers were very lucky and did not win this game. The Sharks lost it.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 05:58

      Mickey Fin: Ja , the Holy sharks A-Hole

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-03 07:24

      Got to admit theres a fair amount of truth in your comment Mickey. But the die hard Stormers fans will tear you to pieces for this, denial is a difficult thing to admit.

      Vincent - 2011-04-03 08:26

      You act as if the stormers played the best game of their lives? It was bad conditions and stormers handled it better, end of the story. And that does not matter at all, as then the sharks where lucky to win the currie cup last year, as the stormers played badly, not the sharks good. What makes the difference is who is better on the day and in the conditions. And on this day, that was the Stormers

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-03 09:24

      ChumScrubber: De Nile is a river in Egypt !!!!!

  • Hennie Herbst - 2011-04-03 08:36

    Heinrich Brussow and Willem Alberts for Springbok flankers. Burger and his team mate can not ever compare to these two!

  • Angelica - 2011-04-03 08:45

    All this bla bla bla.... warra warra fishcake tjol. PROOOOOOOO VEEEENCE!!!

  • Carl Muller - 2011-04-03 09:20

    Baie geluk aan die Stormers. Ek hoop hulle kan dit enduit maak. Nog nooit voorheen gedoen nie. Sharks moet reg uitgee en nie so baie aanslaan nie. Dit was 'n batlle! Bulls forever.

  • Connoisseur - 2011-04-03 09:55

    The Stormers administrators better wake up and smell the coffee. If they don't source decent props sooner than later, 2011 will turn out to be a very long season. Stormers front row only performed well against the Bulls. All other matches thus far they were below par. They are giving away far to many penalties. If they come up against a decent front row like to Crusaders, they will struggle to keep up. You can only defend so much and make so many tackles, then the dam wall is going to break.

      Sheldon - 2011-04-03 12:57

      so you are saying the bok front row is crap . well done stormers .

      molefeP - 2011-04-03 20:28

      @Connoisseur, I cannot agree more.

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-04 06:53

      Connoisseur : Please pray tell WTF are we going to source them now , that should have been done in the off season !!!

  • Anton - 2011-04-03 09:56

    sharks proofed that they are a good team in the sense that they played in 4 different countrys and still kept the score very low. We need a kicker wirh a succes rate 0f at least 68% and wallaw the cup is ours JLP need to practice double the ammount kicks as he does at the moment. Well done shark. O yeah well written story about the game Thanx

  • In Time - 2011-04-03 09:59

    T.G.I.F: -Oh no its Sunday! "I woke up one Sunday Morning... and that beer I had for dessert .... I had one for Breakfast so it didnt hurt.... " The Stormers played a good all round game... The Sharks were a bunch of players trying to make the most of a really bad bunch of loose play.... We all talk about John,JLP,JP... What about our number 8 - Ryan needs to get off the field and start taking up another sport ... HE WAS ABSOLUTELY useless..... I think he really must consider another sport like Netball - Idiot.

  • thumper - 2011-04-03 11:05

    To all you "if this and if that" sharks supporters...if your aunties had balls they'd be your uncles, but they don't. Live with it and understand and accept that you were outplayed on the day. How do you know what the Stormers are still capable of? It doesn't help to dream, rather analyse the cold, hard facts at present.

      SST - 2011-04-03 12:49

      thumper, I partly agree with you. People sometimes forget that in most sports you are only as good as your opponent allows you to be. The Stormers played hard a physical rugby and they did pretty well against a very physical team. Connoisseur, if I recall correctly the first penalty for scrumming came from Beast loosing his bind in the first scrum. The Stormers scrum sometimes has problems, but not as much as you make it out to be. The Stormers may be unbeaten, but as a Stormer supporter I'll say that it will not last but we'll have to wait and see when the run will be over. It might just happen next week, but taking the attacking game the Reds play there might also be a lot of gaps in their defence if their focus is mostly on attack. Just like the Bulls, the Sharks will be back and a team finding their way again is a difficult team to beat.

      molefeP - 2011-04-03 20:30

      @SST, I have to disagree. The Stormers scrum IS their weakest link. In fact, the only scrum I know that is more illegal is the Australian scrum. I can quote you at least 6 laws that Blaauw, Harris and vd Linde regularly break.

  • SST - 2011-04-04 06:33

    Okay Molefe, then teach me.

  • Hannes van der Linde - 2011-04-04 07:27

    Well done Boytjies!!!! STORM VOORT!

  • BaronSmurf - 2011-04-04 08:19

    o en Whatever om iemand te beskuldig oor besit van gesteelde eiendom is laster,,"crimin injuria" en kan lei tot ernstige gevolge,ek stel voor jy neem dit baie ernstig op want jy het dit hier op News 24 beweer en n section 205 kan aangevra word om jou inligting te bekom sodra n dossier oopgemaak is.So dink in die vervolg voordat jy iemand van so iets beskuldig"Die wederegtelikke en opsetlikke benadeling van n persoon deur onwaarhede te versprei"gaan kyk dit op ,en wees baie versigtig in die vervolg

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-04 20:02

      Ag nee man, now you've spoilt everything! Why don't you post this comment in a reply to Whatever so we can understand what on earth you're on about? Chop.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-04-04 20:04

      You're anonymous anyway - say how can you say he was directing it at you directly - the real you. Be interesting to see how a court would look at that.

  • Staalbal - 2011-04-04 08:46

    To all the Stormers Supporters.. Please take on the same attitude as the team. They do not get over excited or cockey. This competition is still very long and anything can happen. Enjoy the victory, but keep your feet on the ground.

      jolene shield - 2011-04-04 09:35

      ai....and i thought women was bad!!! cant believe how all you men go on and try and outdo each other with the comments. why not just admit when the loser team played bad and lost and congrat the winning team!!! this goes all round....nobody can always win. so, congrats to the stormers for the win although they didn't play their best and tough luck for the sharks not being able to handle the pressure!!

      CliffBradley - 2011-04-04 11:28

      Staalbal : We Do , but get goaded by the FLOU BUL Supporters !!!! ( I suppose you are right , if you take rubbish comments by rubbish supporters seriously , you deserve to be crapped out - SORRY)

  • David - 2011-04-04 09:55

    Great game by our Stormers...Well done guys!! Also congrats to the Bulls beating the Hurricanes on their first game on tour...

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