Stats favour Habana over Bjorn

2011-06-08 09:12

Stephen Nell

Cape Town - Bjorn Basson will come to Newlands this week with two personal goals: to improve on the Bulls try-scoring record he jointly holds with Bryan Habana and to stake his claim for the Springbok No 11 jersey.

However, don't be surprised if it's the veteran who has the last laugh in Saturday's Super Rugby match between the Stormers and Bulls at Newlands.

Habana may not be scoring as many tries this season as the man who last week against the Waratahs equalled his try-scoring record of nine in a season for the Bulls, but statistics point to him still working much harder than Basson in the team context.

The last duel between the two was decided in Habana's favour when he scooped up Dewaldt Duvenage's superbly weighted kick from under Basson's nose to strike the knockout blow in the Stormers' excellent 23-13 win at Loftus Versfeld.

Habana is not as prolific a try-scorer at the Stormers as he was when he played his rugby in Pretoria, but to date he has scored tries in all three his matches against the Bulls since moving to the Cape.

There were two in the 38-10 win when the Bulls sent their second string to Newlands last year, an intercept try in the 2010 Super14 final and then that little bit of individual brilliance at Loftus this year.

Habana may have started the season well below par, but Verusco's statistics still point to a player performing well within his team's structure.

He is often criticised for his error count, but his percentage of handling errors are lower than Basson's when it's calculated against the number of times he had possession.

Stormers coach Allister Coetzee's defence against Habana's critics has always been that the player is extremely valuable when his work-rate is taken into consideration.

And, even if the Stormers are not among the top attacking sides in the tournament, Habana cannot be accused of not being pro-active with the ball in hand in an effort to try and make things happen.

In the 12 games that he has played, he has handled the ball 153 times (73 carries) against the 109 (53 carries) of Basson in 14 games. Habana has also gained 909 metres in territory against the 647m of Basson.

When everything is taken into consideration both teams will be satisfied with their wings - the Stormers because notwithstanding all the criticism Habana's value is still underlined by his statistics, and the Bulls because Basson is scoring tries.

Basson's last visit to Newlands in 2010 was in the colours of Griquas - he scored a hat trick of tries, but still ended up on the losing side as his side went down 32-48.

Apart from his ability to finish, Basson is excellent at plucking high balls out of the air. The Stormers would probably have been a tad more concerned if that skill was going to come packaged with Fourie du Preez's excellent kicking boot this week, but will still be mindful of the threat.


  • Lloyd - 2011-06-08 09:19

    Over the last week or so poor JJ was ripped apart by the papsak brigade for mentioning Bulls player's stats, saying that stats mean nothing. Lets see if they still have the same attitude.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 09:41

      Lloyd , in my experience( i have a lot) in Rugby or any sports Stats mean nothing.They both have to prove themselves over the next few weeks and time will tell.Bjorn in my mind is winning the race! You happy now Soft Ball??

      gooinat - 2011-06-08 09:56

      Basson is winning the race on attack but he's defence sucks,Habana is slowly on the up again,I still think Habana will play in the Bok jersey again before Basson.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:02

      @Lloyd - I take no notice of stats. They are Bullsh*te, and without CONTEXT mean nothing. All the stats in the world will convince me of very little. Fact. That said - Bjorn's defence worries me. It is non-existent at this stage. If he manages to improve on that, he would be a shew in for the 11 jersey. But considering where the WC is, and the gameplan we will be using...Bjorn might be as MUCH a liability as what he is a threat (and with all the weak defenders ALREADY sure starters in the Bok team - we can't carry another woeful defender)

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 10:35

      Moenie str@nt praat nie Saffa, you just dont understand them, neither of them - context nor stats. Thats why you're admin assistant.

      GILLBERT - 2011-06-08 10:48

      imagine hoe goed sou basson gewees het as as de villiers en fourie aan sy binne kant gehad het

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:55

      @Krugga - Tackles made - 23 (how many were try saving tackles, how many of those tackles led to turnover ball) Metres gained - Meisiekind has gained kilometres running towards an open tryline - does that mean Meisie is 'creative'? Stegmann has attended the most rucks - but thats because SPIES isn't attending get the picture? Look at the numbers long enough old Krugga, and you will believe anything......Try this as a little test: Bulls have scored more tries than the Stormers with all these flattering statistics. Now go and look at the log!

      EUCHAR ABRAH - 2011-06-08 11:21

      "I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters."

      SexyTshepo - 2011-06-08 11:33

      they are both not proeas quality anyway

      Frikkie - 2011-06-08 11:35

      Lloyd as ek 'n stoffer was sou ek ook nie van die stats gehou het nie... 11 jaar...

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-06-08 11:53

      @Saffa. That is why Mvovo is the best choice. His attack is better than Habanna and his defense is better than Basson.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:55

      Lloyd once asked Spies for his autograph, Spies replied"You gotta be kidden, who's this idiot"

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-08 12:21

      Not to be funny but the sharks have the best wings in the country, people can argue till they blue in the face.. thats the truth..

  • Grunk - 2011-06-08 09:25

    They have to effing joking. Are these people blind????. Don't they watch rugby? I haven't been calling this man the Headless Chicken for the last 12 months simply because I like being cruel in my criticisms. He's just too useless to have around any longer. To compare him with Basson at this point is a joke.

      Grunk - 2011-06-08 09:47

      Just as a matter of interest, I want Basson on the other wing. The person I want to see a lot more of is Sadie with Mvovu waiting in the wings and JP Pietersen blowing a bit too hot and cold at this stage for my liking.

      420 - 2011-06-08 10:38

      Experience is going to be key at the RWC. Would you chance taking a talented yet unexperienced wing to take on the worlds best? I am not a fan of Habana, not even close, but we are going to see him in the bok 11 jersey later this year.

      Chronoman - 2011-06-08 11:56

      The stats show that Habana handles the ball much more than Basson but they don't reveal that it is because Habana these days becomes involved where he does not belong and in the process makes mistakes, some of which cost his team points. He tries to intercept and then does not defend successfully and knocks the ball so many time that it is just tragic. Here is something important: Basson scored more tries than Habana with the significantly fewer oportunities that he handled the ball. Remember we are comparing him to Habana, renowned for scoring tries. I would opt for Habana for the WC because of his tackling experience but then he needs to see an optometrist first because I believe he does not see well. How else does he knock so many balls?

      Chronoman - 2011-06-08 11:59

      By the way, the picture of Habana at the top of the page captures his typical "Shit, I've done it again" pose really well.

  • Krugga - 2011-06-08 09:32

    The most important stat for me - Ball handled/tries scored: Habana 153/2, Basson 109/9. Habana only scores once every 76 times he gets the ball, Basson once every 12 times. Give the ball to Basson!

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 09:39

      Jou bek kort jem.

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 09:39

      Is die 153 die kere wat hy wel die bal gevang het?

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 09:43

      Krugga, again you show your true thickness.How are these tries scored?? Is it a pass given to the player 2 meters from the line or is it a try that he managed to create from nothing.So think a bit before you comment you nitwit .

      cheetahh - 2011-06-08 09:49

      Krugga you idiot where do you get youre stats from, The Danville gazette i asume. Habana handled the ball 153 time hahaha. in youre dreams son. he at most handled the ball 40 times, rest of the time he was just there so Stormers could have 15 people on the field.

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 09:54

      Marcell, ek dink Habana sal in Basson se stofwolke byt as hulle moet hardloop. Van den Heever was mos SA 0/19 110 meter hekkies kampion en in die game laas jaar waar Basson die rekord gebreek het, onthou ek 3 keer waar Basson met gemak om en verby Van den Heever gesnol het... Basson rokkof oor die veld.

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:02

      Ek self sal vir Basson verkies. Hy vang darem die bal 8 uit die 10 keer.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:03

      @Krugga - you chaps seem to have forgotten how Habs SMOKED Basson at Loftus?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:04

      @Krugga - you also seem to have forgotten how Ashley Johnson smoked Basson 2 weeks ago.........selective memory recall.

      Hannes Visser - 2011-06-08 10:10

      Basson is the best finisher in the country, but with Olivier on the inside, he will never get as much of the ball as he did when he was with the Griekwas

      Makutu - 2011-06-08 10:14

      What about Mvovo?

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 10:15

      Hanness, you have hit the nail on the head(dont mean Lloyd).I would go made having to play outside Wynand.If you see how many tries the Bulls have lost out of due to his white line fever.Basson ,with a pair of good centers on his inside, will become a much better player and score lots more tries.

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 10:16

      Vonkprop, I'll only reply to one of your comments today as that is all you deserve, 5 seconds of my time. Out of all the many possible scenarios on the field Basson managed to do more with his 109 times "touching" the ball than Habana with his 153 times. Cant recall Basson scoring any 2 meters from the line tries this year. VESTAAAAAAN JY?????

      Hein - 2011-06-08 10:16

      @SAFFA-CAT - Just bear in mind that Banana had a straight run in and Basson had to turn around.

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 10:18

      Cheetah, in die berig net bo jou comment, platkop! Doen jou sussie vir jou die leeswerk?

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 10:26

      Saffa, do you really think Johnson will out sprint Basson...??? Chick.... you are embarrassing yourself.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 10:37

      Sparky: ''with a pair of good centers on his inside, will become a much better player and score lots more tries''. I'm sure you said the same about Banana as well.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:58

      @Krugga - mate, did you not see Ashley sprint over the tryline at Roftus, with Basson hanging onto 2mm of material on his jersey? And oh yes, if thats not enough - Lachy Turner (officially the fastest wing in super rugby) also smoked Basson last week.....remember that?

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:10

      Lloyd , you dont even no all the positions in the back line , so why you commenting on something you have no clue what you talking about.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:16

      Krugga, have you noticed how many people on this site think you came short when God gave out brains?? You say when Basson touched the ball,so he did not touch the ball when he caught it 2-5m from the line?? another thing Mr Clever, i said that the stats are not always right as you can just score a tri 2m from the line...did i mention Basson's name....No.Wake up just a little and try and fit in as you have started this day off on the Dof foot

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:21

      Krugga, you say the chick is embarrassing herself.All honestly, i have never met a Lady(we have class in the Cape) who knows so much about rugby.Put all our differences aside, this Lady , when it comes to knowledge about the game, kicks yours and Lloyds butt to hell and gone.Even Alwyn has admitted to that .So again Krugga, try and redeem yourself as you are looking DOF Bro

      Paul - 2011-06-08 11:29

      Donner Krugga. Wat drink jy ou maat, EK KOOP. Dis sowaar n stukkie briljante stat daai. Go Basson.

      Marx - 2011-06-08 11:36

      Krugga, just remember, you can't talk sense to some, they hate you for it. Basson is the number one choice and part of the future. Mvovo is also a better choice than Banana.

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 12:00

      Vonkprop, is that why I get so many thumbs up/down? I told you, your 5 seconds are up. Go show off with your classy comments somewhere else.

      Chronoman - 2011-06-08 12:01

      Sparkster, nearly all of Basson's tries are individualistic. He makes tries like Habana used to do. Sorry to mention this but Habana indeed seems to have moved to the Stormers becaus he was finished with serious rugby.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 12:21

      Chronoman...did you not read one of my first comment of this site(clearly not) I said i think Basson is winning the race.Thanks Bye

  • poorwhite - 2011-06-08 09:35

    BUT Basson cannot defend too save his life....most of the tries scored out wide were because of Basson's poor defensive ability. He is great on attack but also makes a lot of mistakes.

      ZAPMAN - 2011-06-08 09:53

      Only half the mistakes Habana made

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:05

      Exactly - his defence is woeful - second only to Spies in terms of feebleness.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 11:00

      SAFFA when I was playing rugby you want you wing to score boet! ore platrek en hardloop - whats this about defence?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:36

      @Kudubul - a try scoring who is a defensive liability CAN be carried in certain teams. The Boks are NOT one of those teams. Our entire gameplan is based on 1 man rugga and great defence. There are already TOO MANY defensive liabilities in the Bok team that will go to the World Cup - we CAN'T afford another - simple.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:37

      OOOPs @Kudubul - sorry I made a few typos: should read 10 MAN rugga with great defence. (Not 1 man rugga) - sorry typing 2 fast I am.

      Marx - 2011-06-08 11:42

      Saffa, most of your lame comments about Spies and Wynand are Woeful !!!

      ikey_tiger - 2011-06-09 07:24

      Marx, Spies and Wynand ARE Woeful!!!

  • Facts - 2011-06-08 09:39

    As a Stormer supporter I don't think you can compare Bjorn with Habana. Madness! Bugger the stats, get rid of Habana for once and for all and select Bjorn. After last week’s ONE try I certainly now don't know how we are ever going to get rid of Habana from the Stormers team. That ONE try will keep in the team for at least the next 5 years while we are losing great young talent.

  • Marcell - 2011-06-08 09:40

    Stats is 'n baie bedrieglike ding. As jy jou voete in die vrieskas sit en jou hoof in die oond is jou kop net lekker.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 09:55

      ..and you must top the ugly stats

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:05

      Yip! Beauty comes from within. Are you a bright spark or a dull spark or just another spark?

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 10:17

      No , im the Sparkster.....

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:20

      @Marcell: Beauty comes from within? Then stop acting like a chop.

      gooinat - 2011-06-08 10:29

      @Saffa,morning,you forgot to add Baddddd Sheeep!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:00

      Heheheh @Gooinat :) Howdyyyy - yes indeed, Aussie Marcell probably spends a fair amount of time with baddddddddd sheep. "Daddy's been a naughty boy, Sheila....punish me!"

  • greenpea - 2011-06-08 09:43

    Id pick basson aswell, purely on his finishing ability, although habanna's experience and mental toughness are vital to the boks aswell, tough one to call, but a wing's job is to score tries and thats the bottom line..

  • Niekie - 2011-06-08 09:46

    Who cares about player stats! It's about what that player does on the field this week.

  • EUCHAR ABRAH - 2011-06-08 09:51

    This is not rocket science ,for sure ,Stormers will be too strong in defense and not easily stopped on attack.We should easily take this one (on form) by 7 or more,but stranger things have happened this season.Stormers are the best local side and will prove it on Saturday the systems that have been put in place years ago is bearing fruit now.Hence the emergence of such allot of good youngsters coming through.If one looks at history it should tell you that the bulls have also gone through a period of some struggle without winning any significant trophy from 88 to 98 , and it was only when they got a group together and held them together that they tasted success .I rest my case.We are mentally stronger than these also rans, this season and it will show on Saturday.They will be lucky to even make the playoffs .At least they will be rested for the cc.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 10:03

      Crawl back into your hole, dimwit.

      thiartc - 2011-06-08 10:10

      in 88 - 98 the bulls won 3 cups and shared one

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:51

      Lloyd , what game plan do you see the Bulls playing on

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 16:36

      What game plan? I thought they were playing at Newlands. Googoo Gaga Googoo. Spit Sniff Burp.

      Morne - 2011-06-08 21:56

      @Eucharra Barbara, or wtf have an immaculate writing style, just too bad you spew the biggest load of crap. Typical Stormers, full of themselves... gonna make the victory so much sweeter!

  • ZAPMAN - 2011-06-08 09:53

    Is daar dalk stats om te wys hoeveel keer Habana oor sy eie voette geval het hierdie seisoen?

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 09:54

      Why dont you give us your matric stats so we can all have a laugh.

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:06

      Die ou wat telling gehou het kon net tot by 39 tel.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:08

      @Sparkster - "The Derek Zoolander school for kids who can't read or write so good" don't give results. (Each kid gets an abacus, a retardation certificate and a completed application for a government grant) No results.

      Marx - 2011-06-08 11:48

      Zapman, snaaks Saffa het nog niks te sê gehad oor sy "baard" nie, haar bek is mos groot oor hoe die Bulls lyk !! Die computer het opgepak met die laaste probeer slag !! Kon nie byhou nie.

  • JB1 - 2011-06-08 09:55

    It is points on the board winning you matches. Not how many times you have carried the ball or how far you ran with it. GO BASSON!

  • Aabels - 2011-06-08 09:57

    This handling stats of Habana reminds me of something the great Frik Du Preez once said about Robbie Fleck: He is a very good player but he runs 40 paces sideways and 5 paces forward. (Or something like that). Now if only Habana's terrific handling stats can result into tries scored for the Stormers.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:27

      Frik du Preez is a one-eyed pro Bulls fossil.(great player - tosser of a person) In fact - he is not one-eyed, the man is downright blind and in serious need of a labrador trained as a seeing dog. So I and quite a few others care VERY little about what Frik says.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 10:39

      A tosser because he did want to give you his autograph?

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 10:44

      Saffa aka Quasi Modene, who ever lied to you and told you you know anything about rugby? The biggest lie your parents told you was to just be yourself. You never ever say anything remotely insightful in any of your comments, only what you read on other news articles. Net n betekenlose gebabbel. Dont you think you should maybe make the effort and start doing things ladies do, like tee parties, you get lots of betekenlose gebabbel daar?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:40

      @Krugga - I will not apologise for making you look like an intellectual dwarf on a daily basis. The chances of me disappearing, about as good as the chances of Spies making a try-saving tackle. So you can continue to live in hope mate.

      Marx - 2011-06-08 11:50

      Krugga, kon dit nie beter gestel het nie !!

      Krugga - 2011-06-08 11:52

      Saffa, I know you wont disappear. Your number is the easiest of them all - you just want to belong. Have you ever thought of what you are going to do when the rugby season is over, your family - all gone.

      sparkster - 2011-06-08 11:53

      Krugga, when you going to admit you were slam dunked by SAFFA.Who cares that you looked like a total Moron.Move on Buddy and stop standing on the DOF foot.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 12:05

      @Marx and Krugga - what is perfectly clear is: You 2 have not watched one Bulls game this season. If you had, you would both have seen Johnson shake Basson off him like a fly. You would also have seen Lachy Turner smoke him for pace last week. Had you chaps ANY rugby knowledge at all, you would also concede that World Cups are won on DEFENCE and 10 man rugga, NOT attack. If you disgaree with me, prove it with a valid argument, instead of attacking me personally. It really is quite simple.

      Marx - 2011-06-08 12:56

      Saffa, your comment about the hand-off says it all. There's no such thing as a player that has never been handed-off or that have never made any defensive blunders. WTF are you trying to say?? Basson had a bad couple of lapses in defense, who hasn't ???? Remember what happened to Banana in the 2007 World Cup????? No, you wouldn't.......

      Lou - 2011-06-09 11:12

      Ek vermoed Saffa is n dude wat maak of hy n vrou is net om "well informed" te lyk. Klein brein sindroom. Saffa het altyd n probleem met almal noord van waar sy is. Ken jy dalk vir oom frik persoonlik om so lelik van hom te praat?

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 09:58

    Bassons attacking game is incredible & in the air he is masterful - but his defence is woeful - FACT. So, considering the Boks will be playing 10 man rugga (which relies on defence) - I would be inclined to agree that Basson might be a 'little' bit of a liability. And NO Bulls fans - I am not taking a swipe at Bjorn - just letting you chaps no WHY he might NOT be the best bet for the Boks.

      Hein - 2011-06-08 10:22

      and if he played for the bergbokkejane he would have just been the MAN.

      Clayton - 2011-06-08 10:56

      Agree, I would play Habana ahead of Basson... Take Basson with but Habana must start, world cups are one on defence.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:02

      @Hein - no. He wouldn't play for us, because ALL of our players are great in defence.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:41

      @Clayton - cheers!!!! Would you mind explaining this to those with less grey matter than you? I have yet to see a WC won on attack....and I don't see it changing this year.

      Lou - 2011-06-09 11:14

      Mense soos Saffa piss my sommer af

  • TheDuck - 2011-06-08 09:59

    Are those the only stats? Those stats mean nothing! Where are the handling errors? You can't pull two random stats and conclude Habana is better! You pulled the two most pointless stats. What about tries? Missed tackles? Advantage line gains? Line breaks? Kick and chase stats? Habana is a joke. 3 tries this season and your team is top of the log. You are seriously taking the piss out of me here.

      Makutu - 2011-06-08 10:15

      HAbana scored two tries.

      Plato - 2011-06-08 11:22

      And he handled the ball more than Basson? Just shows you Basson's class - had the ball less but scored more tries.

  • watalife - 2011-06-08 09:59

    F the stats for now, get on the field and play your heart out Habana you owe it to yourself. To much focus on stats rather just concentrate on the game, in his current form he should be on the bench.

      gooinat - 2011-06-08 10:05

      Howzit Boet,I agree with you on Habana not performing but hell he's defence is good,I really think he is on the up and things for him is gonna change.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:21

      @Watalife - HOWDY :)

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:25

      Gaan hy pa word?

      watalife - 2011-06-08 10:25

      Howzit, If I look at good players I look at his overall contribution to the team, Basson can run like a windhond but just another steyn on defence.He is good on the high ball and thats were it stops.The Mighty Stormers must play on Steyn&Basson Saturday and sure as hell they will battle to contain the pressure.Now that Du Preez is not playing watch our tubby Januarie have a blinder of a game against Houggie, Houggie is not a Scrummie and does not look happy, he is by far a better wing.

      watalife - 2011-06-08 10:36

      Howzit SAFFA Stats will once again come up second best come this Saturday at the Newlands Stadium when the Mighty Stormers Klap the bulls.....Cant wait only 3 more sleepies....hehehhe

      Zip23 - 2011-06-08 10:56

      It is sad to see a great player like Habana struggling with form. It is evident for all to see that he is trying more than his best, and he is starting to look like things are turning around for him. when Habana is at his best again, and he will be, he is a monster. He works hard in defence, and is one of only a handful of players that can create something out of nothing. I miss the Habana of old, and wish him all the best for saturday, even though he is playing against my team.

  • Wonder net - 2011-06-08 10:05

    Habanna is looking for work, Basson not. One day when Basson leave the Bulls he will also be boo'ed and criticied by the Bull supporters . That is just there mentality.

  • Hein - 2011-06-08 10:08

    ...and your point is?????????????????????

      Wonder net - 2011-06-08 10:13

      Rugby is the only thing that works sometimes for you guys. The rest crime and politics does not go your way. That is why Bulls supporters are so fanatic and not objective. Habanna was good for you till he played the last match for you, now you hate him. He is not playing the best rugby at the moment but is still better than the guys on the bench

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:27

      When you sell vegetables and you like bananas it does not mean that you should keep all your bananas until they go off. Sell them just before they go off. Good business. The Bulls management were clever.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 10:42

      Now he sucks idiot. It's not just the Bulls supporters who say that.

  • Dal2000 - 2011-06-08 10:11

    I'll select Habana over Bjorn for a world cup any day. Better defense, more experience and Habana is simply stronger. The international scene is not for the light weight, in my opinion atleast.

  • Makutu - 2011-06-08 10:12

    Oh well... I rate Mvovo above both of them. Mvovo has started in only 5 matches and has scored 4 tries. Habana has started in 10 matches and scored 2 tries. Basson is a machine. Much better than Habana... He's just soo tiny!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:22

      @Makutu - I dig Lwazi - but the oke HAS to start looking for more work.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 10:23

      On the field that is.

      Marcell - 2011-06-08 10:29

      Another tiny guy....... Breyton

      Makutu - 2011-06-08 10:42

      Breyton was not that tiny. MAybe if you said Chester Williams, yes...

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 11:05

      SAFFA whats this about more work and defence- youre winger needs to 'trek his ore plat' and hardloop boet!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:44

      @Kudubul - please tell me how many World Cups have been won with a speedy winger 'pulling his ore plat'? Then tell me how many have been won through determined/dogged and brilliant defence? Remember this: Danie NAILING Pommie Mark 2cm from the tryline and pushing him into touch?

      Makutu - 2011-06-08 15:15

      SAFFA-CAT! The question you should be asking is: How many games in the build up to the World Cup Fnal were won by a speedy winger pulling off rabbits out of hats?

      Lou - 2011-06-09 11:17

      @ Saffa "YAAAAWNN" do you need to reply to all the comments on this article?

  • NeoG - 2011-06-08 10:37

    The problem with Habanna is that he is currently doing the work a no 6, 7, 8 & 9 is supposed to do rather than on the wing where he is supposed to do duty...will choose Basson above him on current form.

      poorwhite - 2011-06-08 11:01

      and any opposition wing will score past him....great stuff! A good wing is an allrounder...not a 1 dimensional player such as Basson. Habana offers far more as a player. Mvovo is getting there and would be my first choice right now. Johan Sadie can also play wing and he has huge talent. This season already has proved how week the bulls are on defence and all the god teams have exploited Basson's defensive weakness. Stormers defence is the best at the moment so no arguments there.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 11:15

      poorwhite correction - the bulls won trophys when habana was playing for them- nothing wrong with the defence then and he scored plenty but plenty of tries, so you have to ask the question whats different with the Stormers? Ill give you a hint 'attitude"

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 11:45

      @Kudubul - the Stormer's gameplan is built around defence, not attack. Any member of the team and coaching staff will tell you this straight out.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 12:49

      point taken SAFFA it just sad to see a beloved point scoring machine who easily scored 3 tries for the barbarians against the English turned into some unnatural defender looking out of place out of touch, with 3 tries in the S15. I think meisiekind scored more tries than that and that says a lot. wont you agree?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 13:09

      I agree with you Kudubul. The sad thing is, Habana HAS had quite a few opportunities to score (but has knocked on etc etc) That I think has more to do with either his confidence or with his hand/eye/boot/peripheral vision/co-ordination not being as good as what it was when Dr. Cheryl Calder was involved with the Boks (with Jake). It has been mentioned quite a bit recently - I think that woman did a helluva lot of good work with Habana.

      Oukoos - 2011-06-08 13:44

      Yes, Habana did not score a lot of tries. But there is another side of the story. The Stormers’ average score per match is 24 -15 versus the Bulls’ 27 – 23. So? It is no use if you score a lot of tries, but concede even more. Habana is part of the Stormers’ success story and part of the reason why the Stormers is 2nd on the log versus the Bulls’ 6th place

      gnus wakker - 2011-06-08 15:34

      Habana will not make Grey Colleges' 2nd team, I promise you there are 4 faster, more skilled wings in one school.

  • - 2011-06-08 10:58

    Habana is good on defence , better than Basson - Rugby games are won on defence - anyone can score a try on a given day. Habana should be in starting line-up.

  • Whoosa - 2011-06-08 11:08

    Habana has shown a tiny little bit of form lately, but he is still pretty average if you take into account at what level he played 3 years ago. He is probaply the 7th best wing in SA at the moment, with Basson,Hougaard,Aplon, V/d Heever, Mvovo, Pietersen (in no particular order before all the viskoppe go bananas) outshines him. But yes, we all now he will be selected to start come the wc. All players go through ups and downs in their careers and i think its fair to give such players time to get back to form. But 3 years running while there is brilliant young tallent knocking hard on the door - I think hes time has come to move over!

  • Coenza - 2011-06-08 11:44

    Go Stormers!!

  • JJRR - 2011-06-08 11:46

    ?? wat de hel. Klink of julle niks het om te skryf nie! Habana is die has-been en basson is the new kid on the block!

  • Sh@rks Fever - 2011-06-08 11:56

    @krugga. SAFFA talks allot more sense than you do though.

  • Jason - 2011-06-08 12:01

    To be honest the player who looks threatening is Basson, Also consider the center's Bulls Center's aren't nearly as good as the Stormers center's. Mvolo is even ahead of Bryan at the moment. i think he has been a great player for South Africa and respect must be shown to this legend. But every legend has a time when he just isn't good enough anymore and it does look like the time has come.

  • Aldrich - 2011-06-08 12:04

    Wandile Mjekevu and Sampie Masriet - Keep an eye out for them...

  • Sh@rks Fever - 2011-06-08 12:06

    Mvovo is the best for the 11 jersey at the moment. And why is all these Bull supporters having such a go at SAFFA. He normally is extremly neutal in his comments. Just like you and me he will be a bit pro Stormers just like you are pro Bulls. For example. Stegmann is probably our most useless flank in SA. He steals 1 ball for every 10 penalties conceded. But not 1 Bull will agree with me cause he is a Bull. One thing is certain come Monday, should the Stormers klap the Bulls this weekend all will dissapear. Except Lloyd as he normally can take the punch.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 14:07

      If I were you mister clever Shark fever I would rather concentrate on youre Lions game than trying to make the bulls supporters look bad again.Like any coach will tell you keep youre eye on the ball.You were lucky Saturday but luck runs out eventually.

      Lloyd - 2011-06-08 16:45

      It's not that I can take the punch, Im just a thick skinned moron who has no friends and nothing else to do.

  • Bruce - 2011-06-08 12:18

    HAHAHAHa i find it funny how all the Bull supporters now hack at Habanna since he moved to Cape Town, before he was their hero but to the rest of South Africa he was still playing KAK, now that the Bulls bought another winger (because they dont have talent to produce their own) they want to say he should get the nod for the Bokke ahead of Habanna.. Typical.

      Kudubul - 2011-06-08 14:09

      Its not just the Bulls supporters saying that.

  • ChumScrubber - 2011-06-08 12:57

    I think reliability is going to be more important than try scoring ability and pace. I know I'll be slaughtered by you freindly people - but I would not take either of them. Odwa Ndungane would be my choice - a great opportunist when a try is on offer, good under the high ball, good defence - and most importantly, balls of steel. He'll never let you down. (OK, hardly ever then you hysterical bunch) Have fun then............

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-08 13:13

      @Chumscrubber - Nope. If injuries hadn't hampered both of the brothers careers, I reckon we would have seen them with many more test caps. Neither one of them will let ANY team down. I would happily pencil in EITHER one of the Ndugane twins in any squad. (But I say again, the injuries, have really counted against the 2 of them) BOTH great players.

  • gavin weir - 2011-06-08 14:33

    He is just another Pieter Rossouw who won't give up. Were great players in their time, but just don't know when they've reached the end

  • J10 - 2011-06-08 14:53

    stats don't lie

  • gnus wakker - 2011-06-08 15:01

    Ai tog!!! Daar is vleuels in hoerskool spanne wat vinniger en beter as Habana is man! Bulls by 18

  • Micheal - 2011-06-08 16:26

    Not so sure if this guy has his handeling errors correct when coming the Habanna. Id have Basson and Mvovo on the Bok wings any day instead of Bryan Butterhands !!!

  • The_Fox - 2011-06-08 18:18

    Stats never lie..

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