Stars to miss Newlands clash

2011-05-05 07:44

Wellington - The Stormers and Crusaders will be without star flyhalves Peter Grant and Dan Carter when they meet at Cape Town in the weekend's 12th round of Vodacpm Super Rugby.

Grant was the tournament's leading point-scorer with 100 points until the ninth round when he suffered a knee injury in training. His place will be filled on Saturday by youngster Lionel Cronje in the Stormers line-up, which will also be without Springboks winger Bryan Habana, who has a rib injury.

The Crusaders have left Carter out of their lineup for the match as the All Blacks No 10 slowly recovers from a hamstring injury. The injury concerns of both teams reflect the wider influence on injuries two-thirds of the way through the tournament's regular season.

The Stormers lead the South African conference and are second overall on the Super Rugby table with 42 points - one behind the Blues - while the Crusaders are second in the New Zealand conference and fourth overall with 40 points.

All Blacks backrower Kieran Read will return to the Crusaders' starting line-up for Saturday's match but coach Todd Blackadder said it was still too early for Carter to return.

"Dan's done everything right, but to put him out there this weekend we'd probably be compromising him," he said. "We just want him to get through and train all week with the team and hopefully be available for selection next week."

Carter last played for the Crusaders against the Sharks at Twickenham in London on March 27 but Blackadder said his team was coping in the All Blacks' absence.

"We've been without Dan Carter for the last three weeks and Mat Berquist's done a great job . . . and I see the Stormers' flyhalf (Grant) hasn't been available either. This is all part of Super rugby, really. Very rarely do you get to put your best 15 out on the park at any given time."

Blackadder summed up a problem faced by many teams during 18 regular-season rounds as they try to cope with injuries while keeping pace with rivals in an increasingly tight playoff race.

The Blues have lost All Blacks fullback Isaia Toeava for the rest of the season with a hip injury and will be without fellow All Black Luke McAlister when they play the Hurricanes on Friday.

Toeava's strong bid for a place in New Zealand's World Cup squad has been set back by the recurrence of a stress fracture which will keep him out of rugby for at least eight weeks.

Blues coach Pat Lam said the management of injuries was becoming a major issue for his and other teams.

"We had 32 in our squad at the beginning of the year, and out of that 32 we've only got 20 available," he said. "When you consider three of those are halfbacks and three of those are hookers, we've only really got 18."

The Hurricanes have been forced to play flyhalf Dan Kirkpatrick at inside center as they cope with an epidemic of injuries to midfielders. All Blacks centres Conrad Smith and Ma'a Nonu are both out of action with facial fractures while Charlie Ngatai, who replaced Nonu in last weekend's match against the Reds, has a broken leg.

The Reds have had positive injury news and are able to recall Wallaby props James Slipper and Ben Daley, and winger Digby Ioane for Friday's derby clash with the Melbourne Rebels. Forwards Saia Faingaa, Rob Simmons and Radike Samo and center Anthony Faingaa also return to the Reds starting lineup, shoring up the team which lost 28-26 to the Hurricanes last weekend.

Wallabies hooker Tatafu Polota-Nau has been forced out of the Waratahs team which will play the Force on Saturday in another Australian derby. Polota-Nau suffered a slight head injury in the Waratahs' 28-9 win over the Rebels in round 11 and will be replaced by John Ulugia.

The Waratahs beat the Force 31-3 in round eight but coach Chris Hickey said that was no guarantee of victory on Saturday.

"Super rugby is the toughest competition in the world and you certainly can't take anything for granted, " he said. "They've got a number of players back and have had a couple of wins since we last played them so the challenge is there for us this weekend."

All Blacks wing Sitiveni Sivivatu, who has been sidelined with a hamstring injury, is likely to return to the Chiefs lineup for their derby match on Saturday against the Highlanders.

"It's a must-win for us," Chiefs coach Ian Foster said. "It's actually a nice game to come back to in terms of, if we're going to have any chance (of making the playoffs) we need to beat them."

The Highlanders have lost former All Blacks flyhalves Colin Slade and Tony Brown to injuries this season, leaving Robbie Robinson in the No 10 jersey for the match at Hamilton.

Matt Giteau will move from centre to flyhalf when the Brumbies play the Sharks in Durban. The Sharks have lost captain John Smit for two weeks with a calf muscle strain.


  • justitiae - 2011-05-05 07:57

    Notice how most of these injured folk are Aussies and Kiwi's... Hmmm, must be something in their food.

      Uwe Klopfer - 2011-05-05 09:20

      mm...lets see, there is the mentioned peter grant and banana habana (sorry i couldnt resist), lambie was out for a couple of weeks, guthro steenkamp, waylon murray, josh strauss missed a couple, maku is injured, john smit, deysel (sharks, cant rememeber first name), the one louw of the stormers, schalk burger was out for a few weeks, tiaan liebenberg as well.. so justitiae...your are way of track with your dadt comments.. interesting that mattfiueld and morne stuen almost never have injuries... the bulls supporters will say it coz they so great...while i dont think they are crap i think it has more to with they dont play so hard... just an observation... (PS GO LIONS !!!)

      Uwe Klopfer - 2011-05-05 09:20

      and my spelling sucks...sorry !!!

      Gilgamesh - 2011-05-05 09:44

      Lloyd, all I can say is that most of us are eternally grateful that your above comment is one of the very few you have made that is factual.

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-05 10:43

      Lloyd : One small catch , unlike me who has a long trail of wannabee's , we don't want to be you !!!

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 11:02

      Cliff, they don't want to be you. They just want to make a fool of you.

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-05 11:42

      Lloyd : Well they not , and actually when you emulate someone it is because of a deep hidden admiration of that person !!!

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 12:50

      Cliff, they are. Please trust me.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-05 16:48

      @CliffBradley Hey, maybe you should start shutting up. You starting to embarrass the real Stormers on here

  • rugby_guru - 2011-05-05 08:02

    No it is nothing in their food, the reason they out is that they won't play players and have them miss the world cup because of the Super Rugby season, this is WC year...

      Jay - 2011-05-05 09:30

      which is kind of what we did in the last world cup and it helped. so maybe we should go easy on our bokkies again.

  • Grey B - 2011-05-05 08:02

    Looks like both the Stormers and Crusaders are willing to concede this match. Hope I'm wrong.

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-05-05 08:57

      Grant would have played if Carter played, pretty sure of that

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 09:18

      Hannes die haas,

  • Brannas - 2011-05-05 08:04

    The Saders won't feel it, they got depth, it's the stormakies that's going to feel it most. Saders difinately by 20 and more.

      Marcell - 2011-05-05 08:27

      and more.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 09:18

      Would have been by 40 if Habana played

      Uwe Klopfer - 2011-05-05 09:21

      lol, i hope so, i have R1000 riding on it !

  • richard.vonschumann - 2011-05-05 08:19

    Did you all miss that Kieran Read is back. This is why they lost their last game. It is going to be a tough battle. Can't wait to watch it.

  • John - 2011-05-05 08:20

    I just wish coaches will tell it like it is. If the oke is out for 3 or 4 or whatever amount of games then so be it. Instead we have been hearing for the last 3 weeks Grant is being given till Friday to recover before a decision is made. These teams have top medical expertise surely they know more or less what the recovery time is.

      Marcell - 2011-05-05 08:30

      Everything takes longer in Slaapstad. No wonder the trophy cabinet is empty.

      Oukoos - 2011-05-05 08:43

      MARCELL, jy is reg. Hier in die Kaap vat ons dinge maar stadig. Daar bo in die Noorde gaan dinge bra vinnig - soos die Lions en die Bulls vir ons wys. 10 wedstryde en klaar onderskeidelik 9 en 5 verloorslae. Dit is spoed!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-05 08:52

      @Marcell - and I betya you are begging/borrowing/stealing your way through your middle age, so that you can afford to relocate to 'Slaapstad'.....

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-05 08:54

      @John - I think Peter Grant was already injured in the week before the Reds game. He played that day and this is the result.

  • Charl Norman - 2011-05-05 08:50

    Lionel Cronje is starting!! Why??? He is clueless! I wouldn't pick him for Grabouw's first 15. He had a shocker last week.. super rugby is to much for him, send him to Vodacom league. Grow him first...

      John - 2011-05-05 09:04

      I was thinking those okes from Ceres - The Delicious Rugby Club or something -:) Stormers do not have too many other options and the truth is Cronje has done very well and is growing in confidence. I just hope his goal kicking is better on Saturday.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-05 09:11

      You are wrong Charl......very wrong in your assessment of the kid. His kicking wasn't great last week, but he got that backline of ours moving mate. He is inexperienced at this level, yes, but he is also prodigously talented. He spent the entire Vodacom cup playing at fullback, but he is a 10 and that is the position he wants to play. Not sure if you have seen the kid play apart from his game against the Lions and Sharks. If you had seen him play 15 in the Vodacom Cup, or at 10 as a youngster, you would know what he is capable of. I have NO doubt whatsoever that he is the real deal - at any level. He scares people because he tries different things on the not be afraid of this Charl - be thankful for it.

      Durasmart - 2011-05-05 11:44

      @SAFFA-CAT. And another product from the Eastern Cape. Amazing how most of the franchises all have a number of players who went to school in the Eastern Cape, the Sharks, Cheetahs and Lions being the biggest culprits. Once the Kings are up and running for a few years and they hang on to their young talent, they will definitely become a team to reckon with and most of the other franhises, will be weakened by it.

      kurtvs - 2011-05-05 20:45

      I have to agree watched Ismaeel Dollie in a club match and he will make this guy look like a Grabouw under 13 but then again Grant were Dollies understudy at age group rugby and still didn’t get the same opportunities as Grant. He singlehandedly beat WP playing for Boland with grant at fly half for WP on Newlands but still deemed not good enough or big enough (the usual shit) what a shame.

  • ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 09:17

    Peter Grant is a shooting star/fader never was never will be rugby player

      Gilgamesh - 2011-05-05 09:40

      Zolla, your rugby knowledge is astounding. Do you subscribe to the same school of though as Lloyd because of your lack of grey matter? Or is it because you believe that the entire Bok team should come from Pretoria?

      NOB - 2011-05-05 09:47

      All you couch potato experts....Peter Grant is highly regarded by the NZ and Aus teams, as well as being one of the leading points scorers in super rugby? Do you all know better? You a bunch of chops....Peter Grant is currently the best flyhalf in the country which all of you BB retards will have to acknowledge when he gets the nod ahead of Stein, and makes the difference in the WC!!!

      Gilgamesh - 2011-05-05 10:18

      Ah, another heavy nugget of wisdom from Zol. If I was a "Charo" as you term it and not a "Wit o" I would probably still not take offence. One must always gauge the mental capacity from whence the jibe originates. You cannot see beyond the extent of your current knowledge. This limits your insight which is revealed in your comments. Take a deep breath and let the oxygen flow through the bloodstream via the jugular into whatever reposes in your cranium before typing again. If you write something that is pertinent and semi-intelligent, you might actually receive a normal comment and even initiate an interesting discussion.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 10:57

      Sorry Charo you lost me on "Ah" now go slower

  • Andre - 2011-05-05 10:24


      wpmannetjie - 2011-05-05 10:29

      nou praat jy Andre ,die bulle met die nulle gaan wee pak kry en sommer gou ook !!

      Andre - 2011-05-05 10:43

      Under 21,under19,craven week,varsity cup, nog nooit vokol punte aangeteken nie, nog nooit al ons games verloor nie. Ons het meer cups as julle en na die volgende maand het julle ook vokol cups ook nog nie so dan is julle nou regtig die NUL BULLE.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 10:52

      @Andre - be careful, your arrogant approach will come back to haunt you. You have personal experience of it. The bigger your mouth, the slower you move, not so? Oh, congrats, I see you have a diploma, but still havent learnt a thing.

      Andre - 2011-05-05 10:54

      @ Graeme believe me its haunting the bulls now!!!!!!!!!payback is a bitch!!!!!!!!!

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:00

      Jurie Johan stemmet look alike Super trofees,Currie bekers en Vodacom cups beteken iets tot baie maar die happy cups waarvan jy praat beteken net soveel soos n belofte van Malema om die Boere uit te los

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:11

      Nee Andre,jy verwar ons seker met die Mills and Boons boek wat jy besig om te lees maar Hannes is reg vir n kompos stamp van jou af

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:24


      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:56

      Mekkar? probeer weer want ek het nou net deur die HAT gegaan en jammer om jou mee te deel daai woord bestaan nie

      Andre - 2011-05-05 12:00


      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 12:52

      Daai diploma beteken nie veel nie.

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-05 18:23

      @Andre Ek het my nou net besimpeld gelag vir jou foto. Is jy mal om dit hier op te sit? Ek neem aan jy oorweeg nie modelwerk nie

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 18:33

      @Andre - I write alot to do with rugby. But there are times that I just get gatvol of stupid anti-Bull comments posted by you and a few others. So, I play your game. You Stormers arent the "great people" you claim to be. As for payback - the Bulls have done very well, and I am certain that they will pay their supporters back soon enough.

  • Craig - 2011-05-05 10:29

    I wonder why everyone has forgotten about using Francois Steyn at flyhalf? The lad obviously has the potential to be one of the best flyhalves on the planet given the opportunity... But on the Grant vs Carter story... Current form suggests that they are the best flyhalves in the competition (till their respective injuries) So let up on Grant the lad has improved considerably and if his current form continues he should be considered for the Springboks

      Andre - 2011-05-05 10:31

      cater has hardly played this year how can he be better than Grant this year?

      Andre - 2011-05-05 10:49

      Ma katkots(LLoyd). Ons het die u/21 u/19 craven week en varsity cup en ons het nog nooit niks punte aangeteken nie en elke game al verloor nie. En julle gani enige bekers kry die jaar nie so dan is julle regtig die NUL BULLE. Bulls = 0 cups.

      wpmannetjie - 2011-05-05 10:51

      francois is not performing over in france at the moment ,have to take guys that is on form the world cup around the corner either steyn or grant i think

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 10:55

      Where the hell did Andre get that diploma, and how? Did your daddy buy it for you? You are just a plain stupid child.

      Andre - 2011-05-05 10:58

      @ Graeme stop insulting people and say something that makes sense. Thats all you can say how dumb everyone else is!!!!!!!!!Nothing about the rugby!!!!!!

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:02

      AI andre Jurie Johan Stemmet look alike,jy sal nog leer ,n finaal bepaal n wenner ,nie die middel van reeks nie

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 11:08

      Graeme, dis n diploma wat hy op skool gekry het vir volgehoue ywer.

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 11:09

      Graeme, dis n diploma wat hy op skool gekry het vir volgehoue ywer.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:11

      Andre wie defok is Cater?

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:13

      Andre ek hoef nie te droom of te hoop nie ,Super cups x3 se dat die Bulls op die regte tyd gaan peak en dit was laas week maar wat jou poeftertjies aan betref die maer jare gaan net aanhou

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:14

      HOLZOL al daai goed en al wat jy kan sien is n tik fout. jy is n regte DROL

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:27

      Andre glo jy rerig dat as jy in hoofletters skryf jy my sal beeindruk? Dit gaan meer as dit kos ,bv As jy nou sou erken dat die papsaksuigers k-k is dan sal ek dalk regop sit en jou ernstig opneem ,maar tot dan ,gaan soek Hannes se geselskap op

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:33


      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 12:01

      Die feit Andre is dat iemand wat so baie op n misdryf soos Bestialiteit hammer gewoonlik homself daaraan skuldig maak,Ek stel voor jy kry n handleiding oor die Strafproses en bewysreg en gaan soek die definisie op.Wat jou spelling aanbetref daar is so baie dat ek begin dink jy is Lisdeksies(sic)

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 12:53

      Zolla, hy weet nie waar om die CAPS LOCK af te sit nie.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-05 16:50

      @Andre Kyk ou bees, as ek soos jy gelyk het so ek verseker nie enige openbare optredes/gesprekke/kommentaar oorweeg het nie. Hel, waar's jy raakgery?

      Effel - 2011-05-05 17:34

      @Andre Ja nee kyk, jy's nou nie exactly Brad Pitt nie, goeie bliksem!

  • scud - 2011-05-05 10:33

    Why dont the Stormers tell the truth about Grant's injury. He was supposedly ready 2 weeks ago.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:02

      He doesnt want to play,scared of SBW

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:08

      He DOESNT want to look like meisiekind.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:28

      Ek neem aan jy praat van Olivier? wat laas naweek 2 driee gedruk het ,nice one maar ,try weer nog nie beindruk nie

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:38


      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 12:04

      Andre jy bly jou voet daarin sit,hoe weet jy ? ek neem aan ondervinding praat?4 driee in 10 jaar hel maar jou stats is akuraat,Onthou seuna as jy saam met die groot honde wil loop moet jy jou been hoog optel,

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-05-05 12:12

      Deon Fourie het ook al twee driee gedruk die jaar ZOLKOP, wat's jou punt? dat meisiekind so goed is soos ons tweede keuse hakker?

  • graham.carruthers - 2011-05-05 10:33

    Habana not being in the side could actually be a positive for the Stormers! It is a good thing that Carter and Grant aren't playing as then the whole of SA would realize that our current best flyhalf is no where near as good as his AB counterpart - sad but true!

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:04

      As i said on another article comment,Crusaders by 40 but with Habana not playing,revised it to Crusaders by 20

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-05-05 11:14

      True, but the same can be said for any flyhalf since carter started playing. He is just that good

  • GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 11:03

    How serious is Grant's injury? I want this man to play. He has been great this year, and I would love to see him under pressure, and this weekend would have tested his nerve. This weekend I am a STORMER, and I truely hope that they dont go to sleep, like against the Redds. The midfield and loose trio will be heavily tested this weekend. Quality vs Quality. GO STORMERS!!!!

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:08

      Now your talking sense. you see it can be done.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 11:29

      Andre lyk jy rerig so of dra jy n masker,ernstig jy maak my bang

      Andre - 2011-05-05 11:35


      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 12:07

      Andre Botes, jy is die man ,of oorgewig vrou,nie regtig seker wat jy is nie nadat ek jou pic van nader af gesien het nie,maar nou weet ek jy is n weirdo,wat nie kan spel nie,en ek sal beslis nie seep in n communial shower optel waar jy is nie,fok my pankreas kramp nou net om daaraan te dink

      MaestroX - 2011-05-05 12:22

      A GraemeBB, now that's a true SA and Blue Bull supporter, one that follows his team and supports them fiercely but who wants the other SA teams to do well. Would also like to see Grant in action, I think his game has improved fantastically this year, but to be honest you simply cannot compare him to Carter. Carter is arguably one of the great fly halves of world rugby and I am sorry, Grant needs to play a lot of BRILLIANT TEST rugby before he can be mentioned in the same breath as Carter, hopefully he will, because then SA will do well too. I must say, I am extremely nervous of the game on Sat, just have to believe a brilliant effort from the Stormers will result in a win; anything less and we will lose. Even so it won't be the end of the road even if we do lose. If we continue to get better as it appears we are, we should hopefully peak right near the end and then anything is possible.

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 12:56

      ZOLLA, ou Andretjie lyk vir my so n bietjie 'confused' as jy verstaan wat ek bedoel. Sy favourite program is 'Glam Guru' op Kyknet.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-05 16:51

      Andre, shut up, jy's besig om 'n verleentheid vir die res van ons te raak.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 18:50

      @MaestroX. Thank you, there are few people like you who understand what I am all about. SAFFA, Staalbal, Oukoos and a few others too. Some just cant get past the BB in my name. But even so, I wont change my ways, and look forward to post and read the comments from the other well balanced rugby supporters. I fully agree with you about Grant and Carter, but Grant is still playing a very good and consistant game.I dont think he has played enough pressure games, and I would like to see how well he performs under pressure. To give you an idea - Saturday my Superbru score is 5 points for the Stormers. It is the biggest game this weekend, and I cant wait.

  • WPStrm 4ever - 2011-05-05 12:12

    Once again an article with a thread populated by distasefull comments by mostly BB fans aimed at Stormers fans who are supporting their team and is confident that their team can succeed for the simple reason that they are playing extremely good rugby at the moment. I see more and more of the people who realy want to comment on rugby starting to avoid this site as it have become everything but rugby related. THe personnal remarks flying around is only proof of an extremely poor upbringing or it is people who is such cowards in the real world that this is the only place where they can boost their dodgy ego's/personalities. For the few who actually are interested in the rugby side of it to come back toi the question regarding Grant's knee, he apparently has a fine tear in his knee cartlidge, which according to the specialist he is seeing can only be heeld by time. So he is in the same boat as Guthro, who's arm should have been ready to go by now but it didn't work out that way.

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 12:18

      mmmmm Andre is a Stormer supporter so before you point fingers may i suggest that you have a good look at his remarks/comments,

      ZOLLAZAP - 2011-05-05 12:21

      Regarding the comment on Grant,you are correct however his menuscus is the main problem and should be rested for at least 4 weeks, and healed is spelled this way,just commenting

      WPStrm 4ever - 2011-05-05 14:13

      Zolla, please read my post again, I said "by mostly BB fans" and never said only. If you read through the comments sections of the past week or so, on mostly the Stormers realted articles, it is clear for all to see that most of the unsavoury comments are made by the BB supporters. I do agree there is some of the Stormers supporters who also unfortunately degrade themselves by lowering their standards to that level of personal interaction and it is qiute franckly sad to see. Hopefully I will be encountering a better "alaigned" bunch of BB supporters when I attend my first rugby match at Loftus on 18/6. Got tickets for the eastern stand and was already told not to get my hopes up to high to be surrounded by decent rugby loving people. Thats know if there is anybody pitching up for the game if they(BB) lose any more in the next few weeks because I do see Loftus becomming more empty by the week.

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 14:30

      WPStrm 4ever, you going to your first match at Loftus on 18/06? Did you pay for your tickets? Sorry to say but you got ripped off buddy. They are playing in Cape Town.

      WPStrm 4ever - 2011-05-05 15:14

      Well my dear Lloyd, the BB play the Stormers at Newlands on 11/6 and the Sharks @ Loftus on 18/6. A committed BB supporter like yourself surely must know when your team is playing where? So if I may presume, seeing that you stay in Cape Town you got tickets to see the BB play the Stormers at Newlands on 18/6, who did you say again got ripped off?

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 15:30

      You are right, I apologise sincerely. I didn't read the post properly and was under the impression that you were talking about the Bulls/Stormers game. Your chance of sitting amongst cultured supporters is the same as at any stadium in the country. Deep down I'm glad you didn't get ripped off.

  • Jonathan - 2011-05-05 13:03

    I am by no means a stormers fan but i must be honest when i say i think Peter Grant is the best fly half in the country at the moment ....Dan Carter is a really great player but why all these negitive comments about Grant . Who should in your opinion wear the No 10 for the boks

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-05-05 15:12

      Grant... without a doubt. But there are a whole lot of very people out there with red and blue blinkers on

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-05 16:47

    What stars?

  • Effel - 2011-05-05 17:35

    Ek dink Andre Botes moet bietjie minder eet en bietjie meer kak

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 18:06

      Ek het my nou in my moer gelag.

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-05 18:25

      Ja nee Lloyd, wa val die ding uit??? Dan wil hy nog kom kakpraat, hy moet nooit die gym verlaat vir 10 jaar nie man

  • CliffBradley - 2011-05-05 18:28

    If anyone has an old treadmill at home, a heavy duty one, please contact Andre Botes before the idiot explodes.

  • kurtvs - 2011-05-05 19:51

    Please man. Please do not compare Grant to Carter it is like comparing a Hyundai to a Mercedes.

      Effel - 2011-05-05 21:08

      Absoluut. Of 'n dikwiel fiets met 'n Ferrari. My bliksem man, Carter se holwol het meer ballsense as Grant. Ek's nie seker of Grant kan loop en kou nie! En nou's hy glo die WC Losskakel. As hulle hom kies skree ek vir die All Blacks, met sulke kak sal ek my nie ophou nie.

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