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SA can forget six Super teams

2012-04-24 22:56

Cape Town - SANZAR CEO Greg Peters says it's highly unlikely that the format of the Super Rugby tournament will be changed in the near future.

This means that the South African Rugby Union (SARU) can most likely forget about the possibility of six teams representing South Africa in next year's Super Rugby tournament.

The Southern Kings have been guaranteed a place in next year's tournament, which means one team would have to drop out.

This prompted SARU to try and convince SANZAR to expand the tournament.

A delegation was formed during a meeting between SARU’s leadership and franchises in February to argue for the expansion of the Super Rugby competition to 16 teams to accommodate all six South African franchises, including the Kings.

SARU and its delegation were due to have a meeting with SANZAR partners, Australia and New Zealand, to discuss a possible expansion of the competition. But SARU asked for more time to try to build its case.

However, Peters told Die Burger SARU is yet to approach them.

"South Africa asked for a postponement (of the meeting with its SANZAR partners) so that they could look at possible alternatives for the structure. That's the last we've heard from them.

"We were informed that the Kings will play in the tournament next year. But a structural change is highly unlikely," said Peters.

SANZAR views the current format as successful.

SANZAR's stance was always that the format will be marketed as one with three groups with an equal amount of teams in it. It should stay like that until 31 December 2015.

"It's too early to consider a change to a format that's currently successful.

"There's also not enough time to consider a change in the format for next year. It’s a big discussion to have when the new structure is only 18 months old. We did, however, say that we'll be prepared to listen to any realistic and constructive plans that South Africa has," said Peters.

Peters also said SANZAR is eager for the issue to be resolved.

"It will take big planning even to include the Kings. It is fine for one team to replace another and that's what we expect will happen because only five South African teams can play," said Peters.

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Comments
  • Thomas - 2012-04-24 23:27

    A format that's currently successful????? If you read what some experts say, it seems only SANZAR think it is successful!! It will take big planning!! Sorry not one of SARU's strong points! WE DEMAND ( To show everyone how stupid we are) No planning at all, just give regardless of the consequences it wiil do to SA rugby!!!!

      Benn - 2012-04-25 03:34

      "They(SARU) have asked for more time, but that is the last we heard from them". Sounds like an extension of the SA government.I expect to see a few court cases before any of the current SA franchises are relegated in favour of the Kings. I also expect a united front by them, but that we will only see once SARU, who is responsible for the mess, makes the announcement. Why can one of the teams not apply to participate in the Northern Hemisphere competition? It would be an ideal solution and it may even serve as a frontrunner for greater future participation- expanding future options for SA teams

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-25 07:45

      I see the lions and sharks being MERGED as planned to make way for the Super Kings in 2013. The worst SA teams must merge and lions and sharks are really struggling. Merge these two and we solve the problem. Golden Guppies, or Clawless Catfish. Sounds good!

      Ron - 2012-04-25 09:56

      Must be bulls supporters commenting here.... If any merges it will be between Bulls and Lions, they are a stone throw away from each other...Will boost the bulls a bit as well. Lions are financially down anyway....Imagine that, the bulls won't be able to say "Ons bloed is blou" dit het so bietjie rooi in ook.

      Ron - 2012-04-25 10:33

      The new name will be the " BULLIONS"

      pieterduplessis - 2012-04-25 11:44

      More support is coming for the Lions to play in the Amlin challenge cup which is played in Europe. Because there are so many flight to/from Joburg the logistics should not be that difficult, it is played over our summer which might provide an extra incentive for us to watch some rugby (and for possible sponsorship), maybe the Lions can the later be promoted to the Heineken Cup. Sure many supporters would also not mind to spend a couple of days in the SA days

  • anthonyralphwilson - 2012-04-24 23:39

    if last year's currie cup champions cannot even win half their home games what chance do the kings have at winning even one game... they will be an embarrassment to south African rugby

      Sean - 2012-04-25 01:31

      Agree 200% with you , it will be a bloody joke !

      Pierre - 2012-04-25 05:27

      I agree the Kings will get smashed, but in essence it only means the Kings will loose by more points per game than the Lions, but they will end up at the same place on the log. Sorry Lions supporters, nothing personal against the Lions as I think the Lions are actually a pretty good side, but maybe a year of building in the domestic competitions will be good. Allow the Kings and PE rugby a bit of exposure. What is not a good thing is a sixth team. I think SA will have the same problem with a sixth team as Australia has now with five in that the good players are spread to thin. Rather identify the top players and divide them over five teams in the S15 (as NZ is doing). It won't be a train smash if the Lions and Kings swap for a season and loan a few Lions players to the Kings; just don't bring both in, as with injuries and players playing abroad SA cannot support six super rugby teams.

      Squeegee - 2012-04-25 06:34

      Pierre, the problem is that every year the bottom team will fall out, meaning that the incoming team will start at a disadvantage. What would happen to sponsors, players etc. when their team's finances run out. How do you prepare for two seasons away, etc. Chaos.

      Ruan - 2012-04-25 07:59

      It really doesnt matter what you think, since the fact is that the lions are being thrashed!!! By saying that the kings will be smashed is based on what? that per province they are struggling? You are speculating, we will only see next year how they do!!! The best place to start developing rugby is in the southern coast are, because up until 2years ago, there had not even been a structure to rely on. Its getting there!!! Just a thought, these rugby teams that you support, how long have they been doing well? and what makes then successful? Time? Players? Coaches? Money? Correct structures? if you were to do the same with the Kings wouldnt that help SA rugby as well?

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 09:08

      @ blouvitrioel - om dit jou lewensmisie te maak om elke dag hier te comment en aspris ander spanne uit te haal is bietjie pateties.

      Ray - 2012-04-25 09:22

      I am not a Lions supporter,but to lose the team from the biggest city in South Africa will damage SA rugby.Although their performance is terrible at the moment,they must bounce back,but never will if they are not in Super Rugby.Some sort of team amalgamation may be the answer as suggested in other posts.

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-25 09:33

      Reg Nick. Bul groete.

  • Timothy James Forshaw - 2012-04-24 23:40

    Please... successful... not even close. I would much rather see our teams play all the NZ/AUS teams and have less local derby's. Then we can forget about the top team from each conference getting at least 3rd spot on the effective log rubbish.

      Alan - 2012-04-25 08:53

      As for the continual distortion of the log by getting 4 points for a bye WTF is that for? And if a team has a really good bye shouldn't they get 5 points?

  • marnusmnorval - 2012-04-24 23:53

    The Kings will be an off weekend and a confidence builder for the other teams. South African teams play them twice.. So its 2 free games for them??

      Chanea - 2012-04-25 06:12

      So that will put us on par with the Australian conference.

      Squeegee - 2012-04-25 06:37

      Sounds great until your team has a bad year and has to sit out for the EPPolitician team...

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 09:03

      @squeegee - the only time a team has to worry is this year because the kings will always be bottom of the SA teams in the future :)

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-25 18:41

      Dear Sport24 please give us the option to see who dislikes and who likes.. (Anyway back to the point at hand.) @Chanea.. The Australian conference are all either good or bad.. I cant decide yet. The Force beats the Reds, the Reds beat the Rebels, the Rebels beat the Force, then the Brumbies beat the Highlanders, then the Brumbies lose to the Sharks.. It is one messed up conference. Then you get the new SA conference with the Kings where every SA team gets 2 free games. Then you get the NZ conference where you never can tell whos going to win till the whistle blows.. Atlteast the Kings will ensure some free points in SuperBru

  • Tokolos - 2012-04-25 01:10

    Let them carry on to push the Kings into the competition. I am sure the Lions (if they are the relegated ones) will appreciate the time of to regroup and get their house in order. Maybe it won't be the Lions, but the Sharks who make way for them... who knows? The way the Sharks have been playing they are starting to look like serious contenders for that relegation spot! Kings will be even bigger embarrassment than the current bottom feeders on the log!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-25 07:47

      When the Cheetahs came in, they struggled. Same with the Force, same with the Rebels. But given time and exposure, the teams settle. Lions have been in this for yonks now and still cannot win two games in a row. Sharks are choking again close on their heels. One the Kings have the exposure, they too will settle into Super Rugby. If you're expecting miracles for their first year, then you're not being fair. No new teams lifts trophies in their first year. Merge lions and sharks, problem solved.

      Danny - 2012-04-25 07:49

      The Kings couldn't even beat the Sharks XV last weekend - how they gonna do in Super rugby?

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-25 07:59

      After a few years, they'll be ready to put up a good fight. Everyone game the other new teams a chance, so the Kings deserve the same treatment.

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 09:01

      @charles - yes the cheetahs came in and struggled, but at least they played in the currie cup. you know where i'm going with this....

      Ron - 2012-04-25 10:03

      Last year the bulls where down... so what now, blows your theory out the water, Bulls and sharks are the teams that get the most Springboks players chosen, prove me wrong on that one......

      Deon - 2012-04-25 13:04

      I will be sorry to see the Lions go, they afterall did win a Super cub before (Super 10).

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-25 18:44

      Charles you are clearly not very clever. Even if we give the Kings 10 years to settle they will come LAST every single year..

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-25 18:46

      And may I add, if it is "fair" to give them a chance. Why dont we give every single SA team a chance? Hold play offs and the top 4 go to Super Rugby

  • hans.barnard - 2012-04-25 01:12

    Let sanity prevail, start planning now for 2015/16. Kings cannot even win the Vodacom cup? Not in Currie Cup Premier league. So we will hurt rugby more in the Eastern Cape at this stage. Get a clear mandate for 016. Let the "bokboere" start the building process (ie. Sponsors, players, Coaching staff). Build the brand. Then let us positively build rugby in the Eastern Cape / Transkei area (because they then rightfully deserve higher honours)..

      Squeegee - 2012-04-25 06:39

      Hans, you don't get it. This is not about rugby, its about money. These guys don't want to put in money they want money out. This is a tender scheme.

      Lance - 2012-04-25 07:01

      So they will suffer with half the current players and will be forced to buy half the Lions..taking fresh talent from the E.Cape area will be a challenge when trying to perform at S15 level..I can only hear big sighs when they play a big franchise...eish! Good luck trying your luck E.Cape Lion Kings !

  • Leon - 2012-04-25 04:31

    What's their definition of "success"?

      Ruan - 2012-04-25 05:41

      Nevermind the Kings or whatever teams makes way for them, but this format is not successfull. I think we all know why. Especially the Bulls supporters at this stage.

      Jed - 2012-04-25 06:47

      Raun, no one cares about the Bulls supporters.

  • Brad - 2012-04-25 06:25

    Who is the idiot who "guaranteed" the Kings a spot before they had proven not the be able to win Currie Cup 1st Devision???

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 08:58

      probably a politician...

      Lance - 2012-04-25 16:15

      ..The person who got the kick-back $ :-)

  • Jed - 2012-04-25 06:44

    Kick the Bulls out. We should of done it in 2004.

      Rinus - 2012-04-25 07:05

      You must be Cheeky and Malema's love child. No other explanation for this brain-dead statement...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-25 07:49

      Only a bitter and twisted Pro-Province loser would make an idiotic statement like that. Bulls have won the championship 3 times, Province = 0 !!! Idiot !!!

      Jed - 2012-04-25 08:06

      Dankie, Blouvitrioel. Agggg Charles the Ref's won those titles for you. Bulls have deep pockets I'll give them that much.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 08:11

      @vallemj, like always, your grammar sucks

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 08:19

      @blouvitrioel julle le 4de op di log hou op grR bulletjie rugby kyk en kyk super 15 hel julle nie baie slim nie en gun wonder dis jolu naam nie shame viagra sal jo goed doen!

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-25 08:28

      Hier word gepraat van die SA conference, idioot. Wonder nou wie is nie so slim nie. Geen Bul groete vir jou nie.

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 08:40

      Ten minste is my naam nie blouvitrioel nie!!wonder of jy weet wat dit ooit beteken!!!feit bly staan julle le 2de nie 1ste nie! Marko j se van my spelling wat is maas? En hel het net een 'l' as jy nie weet nie! O ja en dis vir al die loser bul ondrsteuners:\The Bulls were considered one of the worst teams in the Super 14 competition, finishing last or second to last for five consecutive seasons from 1998–2003. In 2002, they became the first team ever to go through an entire Super Rugby season without winning a single game.\

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 08:42

      @bloumasjien,eks jammer is jy so dom dat jy nie n sin kan lees sonder lees tekens nie??? Tipies blou bul mentaliteit!!!

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 08:57

      hoe oud is julle mense wat die heeltyd oor sulke stront stry?

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 09:07

      @dewald. n Mens begin n nuwe sin met n hoofletter.Wie maak jou skoeneveters in die oggend vas?

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-25 09:10

      ''Ten minste is my naam nie blouvitrioel nie!!wonder of jy weet wat dit ooit beteken!!!feit bly staan julle le 2de nie 1ste nie!''. Probeer weer. Bul groete.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 09:12

      @dewald,Die laaste 10 jaar was seker hel gewees vir jou?

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 09:13

      Bloumasjien ons praat rugby hier en dis skoen veters nie skoeneveters nie!word groot en kry n lewe! Hulle se as jy nie slim is nie moet jy eerder stil bly, dat die mense nie sien jy is dom nie, so ek stel voor jy bly stil!

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 09:30

      @dewald, jammer vir die typo, maar skoenveters is een woord! Jy praat nie rugby nie, jy praat stront. Daar is n spreekwoord"as jy nie sterk is nie, moet jy slim wees" as dit waar is, is jy moer sterk!

      Blouvitrioel - 2012-04-25 09:36

      BlouMasjien, dis actually 11 jaar. Bul groete.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 09:42

      @dewald, Ek het nie geweet jy "date" vrouens nie? Ek kan verstaan dat jy ouer vrouens "date", hulle oë is swak en hulle kan nie weghardloop nie.

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 09:46

      @dewald, Slip jy skool?

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 10:09

      @bloumasjien jy hou jou lekker groot bek hier ne!ekt darem en graad so ek is slim en sterk! Kom die naweek bietjie langebaan toe dan vat ek jo recce eiland toe dan kyk ons hoe groot gan jo bek dan wees as j da af kom! Maar wag jy te bang en slapgat om te kom!!!

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 10:35

      @dewald, Geluk met graad 1, sterkte vir graad 2.

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 10:50

      So gedink bloumasjien jy is te pisgat en slapgat om te kom ekt nie tyd vir mense sos jy nie!jy hou hou groot meneer hier!maar jy is eintlik niks!so my aanbod staan nog ek wag vir jou hier

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 11:06

      @dewald,Jy is baie volwasse vir iemand met graad 1!?

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 11:19

      @dewald,Jy se"so my aanbod staan nog ek wag vir jou hier " Jy laat my dink aan die “Papa wag vir jou”-veldtog ,jy lyk nogal soos n tronkvoel!

      Dewald - 2012-04-25 12:32

      Bloumasjien jy is kommin verby!jou eie ma is nie eers trots op jou nie nog minder jou pa! Eks special forces iets wat j nooit kon of sal kan maak nie so hou eerder jou bek!

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 13:22

      @dewald, Special forces? Whahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ! Jy is verseker spesiaal, net nie op die "keyboard" kwyl nie.

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-26 07:22

      @Dewald.. Met special Forces bedoel j seker dai groep mense wat nie genoeg breins gehad het om enige iets anders tedoen nie

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-26 07:53

      @Tokolos, Ek kon dit nie beter gestel het nie.

  • Jannie - 2012-04-25 06:45

    bring on the kings, it will make the SA conference so much easier as every other SA team is guaranteed 10 points.

      Jaco - 2012-04-25 07:21

      I see a couple of extra "byes" next year. Will be good for the top SA teams. Time to recover from small injuries. All the top SA teams can field their Vodacom teams against the Kings...

  • Danny - 2012-04-25 07:48

    Check the stadiums - they are half empty (sorry for not saying half full) in comparison to a few years ago. Cut the tournament down to Super 12 (4 from each country) and have a promotion relegation set-up in each country. No more stupid formats with conferences - all teams play each other once and the winner of the league is the winner. Get the TV channels to have delayed broadcast in thew "home" region, and make the ticket prices reasonable and fill the stadiums. Finish and klaar.

      Bruce - 2012-04-26 05:50

      I agree the Super 12 format (without conferences) would work best and also dump the franchises, the top 4 from the Currie Cup, ITM Cup and Australia would play each year. Only problem is Australia doesn't have a domestic rugby union league. The new S15 format is custom made for Australia because they want more local games, SA and NZ get screwed and now have too many derbies which is going to land up damaging the local leagues.

  • walkthisway469 - 2012-04-25 07:59

    You will probably see most bulls supporters apprehensive about the relegation -promotion factor coming into play now,lets not forget that as well as being the most succesfull SA franchise they have also collected the wooden spoon the second most.(along with the lions holds the record for the most losses in a season)

      Brendan - 2012-04-25 08:01

      So in other words, the Bulls learned from their mistakes then...

      walkthisway469 - 2012-04-25 09:41

      We will only be able to gauge next season won"t we?

  • Dewald - 2012-04-25 08:01

    Hoekom het hulle in die 1ste plek n plek belowe maar hulle is uiters swak span?as hulle super rugby wil speel laat hulle dan uit speel teen die swakste suid afrikaanse span!maar hulle weet hulle gan dit nie eers kan wen nie

  • james.kukard - 2012-04-25 08:04

    I'm a Lions supporter and is fed up with all these stories, easy, Lions fall out and kings can make a mockery of SA rugby in 2013. The kings is supposed to be the "development team", they played lesser develop players last weekend against the Sharks than the Sharks did. They can't even win the vodacomcup! All this because of cheeky and puke Watson!

      Lunga - 2012-04-25 08:43

      The Lions continue year in, year out to make a mockery of South African rugby.

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 08:54

      @lunga - ah yes, and the kings won't, right?

  • Johan - 2012-04-25 08:09

    And I agree. Even our bottom of the log 5th team brings us shame!

  • Paul - 2012-04-25 08:11

    SARU made promisese to EP Kings which they can not keep

  • PETESKEAT - 2012-04-25 08:24

    The property/accommodation pages in The Herald will be a regular, if not popular, read in the Ellis/Coca-Cola Park change-rooms if the largest and richest city on the continent cannot field a decent rugby team.

      nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 08:53

      joburg is not the largest on the continent for the record :)

  • Corrie - 2012-04-25 08:30

    The reason for the inclusion of the Kings is to improve transformation. The Kings is no example of representation from previously disadvantaged people. The Lions beat them 88-0 earlier this year. We are no closer to a solution to the transformation issue, even quotas is a better solution. Surely we can come up with a better solution.

  • Vincent - 2012-04-25 08:31

    The Kings are not ready to compete at Super Rugby level and will become the laughing stock of SA Rugby, they are still "under developed". Another failure on the side of Hoskins and kie, who are unable to negotiate beneficial and fruitful SANZAR deals for SA Rugby, and they will sadly remain our "BOARDROOM RUGBY REP'S" for another year or two. They should not have decided that the Kings will play Super Rugby next year, as this franchise still needs to become more competitive, and they should have been forced to play in the Vodacom and Currie Cup until they are ready to compete at Super Rugby level. The Lions, envisaged to exit for the Kings, based on current form and recent results, is at least an established franchise and have progressed after some years of "chronic" failure, and is better financially resourced. The Kings will most probably only play Super Rugby in 2013, only to be relegated and for the Lions to return again in 2014. What a bad foresight? Good news: - Hoskins and kie must go at some point. They failed our teams big time in having agreed with NZ and the Aussies on the current terrible conference system, which might see two SA teams ending on top of the log in terms of overall points, but only the conference leaders to go through, even if some conference leaders have a lot less points than our teams. Hoskins them never advocated for the system to change in recent years when the Crusaders, Blues and Brumbies played in the semi's/finals year after year.

  • Barry - 2012-04-25 08:44

    When they announced there would be an Eastern cape side in the Super 15, it would be to help develop rugby in the Eastern cape which i do agree with. I agree with a lot of comments that the EP Kings currently would be whipping boys of the competition. Rugby is a professional sport, and the players from the current team relegated( should be Lions) would naturally be looking for a team to play for. I am concerned that the EP Kings, to help ensure that are competitive, will go on a buying spree to ensure they have players with Super 15 experience. How does that help develop Eastern cape rugby when more than half the team is from other unions? I personally therefore feel that forcefully including a team into a big format like Super 15 wil have no benefit to Eastern cape rugby.

      Matt - 2012-04-25 08:55

      yes, there will be a buying spree to start with. but how do you suggest the Kings keep their talent in the province if there is no Super Rugby? Players will only start coming through the ranks after a few years in Super Rugby. The Kings Academy is already up and running and a few of those guys are already playing in the Vodacom Cup side, which is a good start.

  • jwdupreez - 2012-04-25 08:48

    Let the Kings play a relagation game against the team at bottom of the SA-log. Winner goes/stays in S-15 format....easy as that. How 'someone" (SARU) could have guaranteed Kings a place reeks of Cheeky Watson arrogance and is just a confirmation of his ANC-attitude. Corruption Uber Alles.....and to hell with ability!

  • nicolaas.geldenhuys - 2012-04-25 08:51

    why don't they just play a relegation/promotion match at the end of the season? surely that's just fair!

      Matt - 2012-04-25 08:58

      so you consider is fair to have such a match between a side with about 7 years Super Rugby experience and a side with no Super Rugby experience?? I agree with rel/promo matches, but only after the Kings have had a few years to "catch up"

  • margo.george.18 - 2012-04-25 08:54

    The Lions and Cheetahs must combine and The Kings must get ready for cricket scores against them.Sarfu are clever ne.LOL...

  • Matt - 2012-04-25 09:01

    So... all this talk of cricket scores... why then did the Cheetahs only just managed to beat the Southern Kings? apart from the Lions match (which we all know was a SWD/Border combination team), the Kings proved themselves to be competitive. 38/13 is not an ideal score, but its far from an embarrassment too...

      Marko - 2012-04-25 09:22

      If loosing by only 25 points to the Cheetahs reserve player makes you happy and by 60 against the lowly Lions then you are probably a bigger looser than I thought. Go win the Vodacom cup first and then the ABSA Shield then win relagation to the Currie Cup and maybe the rest of SA will take you seriously. Exept maybe those handfull of rude Stormers supporters.

      andrebotes1982 - 2012-04-25 09:30

      Hey Marko are you a lions supporter?

      Stirrer - 2012-04-25 09:32

      @Marko Looser? Loser.

      Matt - 2012-04-25 09:59

      marko... get the facts right. 38 13 was against Stormers and Sharks. ask someone to help you google what the score was against the Cheetahs. quick to use the B team excuse arent you? why bring up the fact that its a Cheetahs reserve, but you dont mention that it wasnt even nearly the Kings best team against either the Cheetahs or the Lions.

  • andrebotes1982 - 2012-04-25 09:26

    Its only a problem if you support the lions. Other than that its not really a problem for anyone.

  • Matt - 2012-04-25 09:42

    If rugby in the EC is really so useless and there is no talent that needs to be developed... please tell me Why do the Bulls have an ex EP player in their coaching staff? Why is the Stormers coached by an ex EP Player? Wasnt the captain of the Cheetahs an ex EP player when they last won the Currie Cup? Why are there at least 3 Sprinboks in the Sharks team that have their roots in the EC? Why is the man of the match from the last Bulls match an ex EP player? Why do Heyneke Meyer have 2 guys in his Bok coaching staff that hails from EP? Why is the current coach of Griquas an ex EP local? Why were the eventual player of the tournament in Varsity Cup an ex EP Player? And the runner up also from EP? .... EP on the Rise!!

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 10:02

      @matt,Het OP al ooit die curriebeker gewen? EP on the Rise? Whahahahaha.

      Matt - 2012-04-25 10:11

      @bloumasjien... nog nie. maar wat is jou punt? As jy nou rerig wil gaan grawe in die geskiedenis... Alhoewel dit jare terug was, die Grens (deel van Southern Kins) het 2 keer... En het Natal dit ooit reggekry voor dit hulle n free pass gekry het om Currie Cup te speel? Enige antwoorde op my vrae hierbo?

      BlouMasjien - 2012-04-25 10:59

      Die Sharks het al in 1956 in hulle eerste curriebeker finaal gespeel. My punt is, verdien eers julle plek ,dan het ek nie n probleem nie.

      andrebotes1982 - 2012-04-25 11:39

      haai blou. wie ondersteun jy?

      Matt - 2012-04-25 11:41

      @blou... ek verstaan wat jy se. probleem is egter ons het Super Rugby nodig as ons wil meeding met die ander franchises. Daarsonder kan ons eenvoudig nie die talent uit die OP hier hou nie. Ek verstaan dis n professionele sport en spelers skuif... maar dis juis my punt aangaande hoekom ons Super Rugby kort. Baie van die spelers sou seker nie hul hele loopbane by Kings gebly het nie, maar ten minste sou ons hulle kon vervang met ander kwaliteit spelers. Huidiglik stroom die talent net na ander franchises. Sharks Academy het tot onlangs nog meeste van ons beste skole spelers afgerokkel, maar gelukkig word baie van hulle nou reeds opgeteken deur die Kings se eie Akademie. Hoe gaan ons hulle egter hier hou as ons nie Super Rugby het nie? Ek is seker jy het al tot vervelens toe gehoor dat ander provinsies die jong sterre van OP (en Grens en SWD) afrokkel, maar interresant as mens hierna kyk: Die Sharks het 43 spelers in hul groep. 9 uit Kings area, 8 uit Natal, 6 uit FS, 5 uit WP, res van ander provinsies... Bulls het 34 spelers in hul groep. 7 uit Kings area. Net uit daai 16 in die 2 franchises, is Kankowski, Daniel, Kirchner, Potgieter, Mvovo, Ndugane en Basson Springbokke. Ons sal sukkel in die eerste paar seisoene van SR, maar glo my na 7 jaar sal ons beter af wees as wat die Lions nou is. En ja, dit is n jammerte dat ons nie 6 spanne kan he nie.

      Champ - 2012-04-25 11:58

      @ Matt: al is ek gekant teen die insluiting van die Kings in die S15, moet ek sê dat die manier hoe jy jou punt stel @11:41, respek afdwing. Dit in teenstelling met sommige ander Kings- en veral Stormer ondersteuners.

      juaque - 2012-04-25 13:30

      @Matt Dieselfde gaan met die Kings gebeur as met die Cheetahs. Die Vrystaat kweek baie van die talent, maar verloor daarvan weens die gras wat groener is aan die ander kant. Wat wel gaan gebeur indien die Kings baie geld kry, is hulle gaan dan baie van die Lions spelers oorkoop en probeer ander Oos Kaap spelers terug lok met groot somme geld. {Bloemfontein gaan weer leeg gekoop word} Hoekom het al die spelers wat jy so opgenoem het, nie by die "Kings" gebly om hulle te help om 'n ordentlike rugby distrik te maak nie?

      Matt - 2012-04-25 14:30

      @juaque: kanse sou beter gewees het dat hulle in streek bly, as daar n kans was dat hulle sou Super Rugby speel destyds. @jacques: ek is nie naief genoeg om te dink ons gaan AL ons spelers hier kan hou nie. soos enige ander franchise sal die Kings seker ook sit met n mengsel plaaslike en gekoopte spelers. Feit is egter sedert die Kings nou op hul voete gekom het kan hulle spelers kontrakte van 2 en 3 jaar aanbied. Dus word hulle darem verseker dat hulle daai speler het vir minimum 2 of 3 jaar. Moontlik langer. Voorheen was dit nie moontlik nie. Soos ek genoem het, ek besef al te goed rugby is professioneel en spelers gaan waar daar geld is. Punt wat ek wou bewys is dat die Oos Kaap (nes sommige ander streke) n redelik belangrike bydrae maak tot SA Rugby, hetsy dit spelers is wat nou by ander provinsies speel, afrigters van ander spanne of wat ookal. Laat ek weer werk...

      Neil - 2012-04-25 15:57

      Daar is seker 'n goeie rede waarom blouMasjien se naam blouMasjien is, jou masjien!

  • Dewald - 2012-04-25 11:57

    Tata Lions!

  • Rohann - 2012-04-25 12:06

    OP lewer baie goeie spelers op en daar was ook 'n tyd waar OP goed gedoen het in die Craven week, maar dit beteken nie dat die Kings in die Super15 in geforseer moet word nie. Ongelukkig is hulle nie reg vir Super-rugby nie.

  • juaque - 2012-04-25 12:14

    Just think of the potential if they could come to some sort of agreement to merge the Cheatahs and Sharks. (wishful thinking of course)

  • Richard - 2012-04-25 15:27

    Why not add Samoa / tonga/ Fiji or the best 2, one to NZ conference and one to Aus conference, and the Kings to SA conference. then drop the home and away local games, add one more cross conference game. Reduces the total games played, and increases variety. Each team will then play 5 in own league and say 3 from each other, total is 11 or 12, whatever fits the total schedule better. 4 lss games same amout of travel. MAKE ME the CHAIRMAN of SANZAR.

  • Pieter - 2012-04-25 15:30

    The Kings are not even in the Currie Cup Premier Division? It will mark a vile triumph of politics over sport the day when the Kings replace a team such as the Lions (or any of the SA teams) in a Super Rugby competition whithout even qualifying for a lesser competition. In context: The Lions won the Currie Cup 2011 the Kings did not play in it.

  • Emile - 2012-04-26 10:12

    We can't even field 5 proper teams. Next year we will have 4 teams and one handicapped team.

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