'Refs fitter than scrummies'

2011-05-04 22:15

Jóhann Thormählen

Bloemfontein - A professional referee is probably fitter than a scrumhalf in Super Rugby and does just as much preparation as coaches and players ahead of matches.

That was the revelation by Jaco Peyper, who is one of South Africa's most promising referees and fast climbing the refereeing ladder. He was recently promoted to Sanzar's merit panel of referees.

The former Grey College pupil was earlier this month also appointed as one of the International Rugby Board's (IRB) referees for next month's Junior World Championships.

Even Brendan Venter recently had praise for Peyper. The former Springbok centre and coach of English club side Saracens is well-known for being outspoken on refereeing issues.

Peyper, a qualified lawyer, said that the game demanded that referees run 9-10 km's per game.

"The game has changed a lot at Super Rugby and Currie Cup level, and there are a lot more contact situations. More than 260 tackles were made in Saturday's match between the Stormers and Sharks, which I officiated. That means that close on four tackles are made every minute," said Peyper.

"The younger you are, the more difficult it is for you because you don't know the short cuts yet. Your judgment is also better when you aren't under pressure.

"I believe we need to be just as fit, if not fitter, than a scrumhalf at Super Rugby level."

Peyper, whose grandfather Japie Theron was also a Currie Cup referee and secretary of the Free State Rugby Union (FRU), said that referees also do a lot of analysis.

"We use advanced technology just like the players and coaches," he said.

"When I officiate a match between team X and team Y, I could look at video material of how they play and what techniques they use."


  • Lennox - 2011-05-04 22:43

    Of the more than 260 tackles made in the match between the Stormers and Sharks does that include that one on him by Jean De Villiers. After taking that hefty tackle and eating some grass, he just got up brushed himself off and carried on as if nothing happened. I remember a certain ref a few years back who was tackled by a fan and had to be replaced as he could not carry on....was a bit older than Peyper though.

      ASDEB - 2011-05-04 23:03

      And he was English

      rugby_guru - 2011-05-05 08:04

      LOL, ja that was funny :D

      donkerhond - 2011-05-05 10:37

      Better yet was Jean's comment to the ref "So kan ek 4 punte kry vir daai een?". 4... wtf...

  • GraemeBB - 2011-05-04 23:18

    Ok, so you are fit - but with some ridiculous calls on Saturday, are you truely fit to be a ref is my question? Before the Stormers get upset, there is no doubt in my mind that the Stormers were the better team on Saturday, and deserved their win. The only problem is that in closer encounters, poor refs swing the game. There has been some very obvious mistakes, and I cant believe the ref can miss these mistakes. Shoulder charges - a couple come to mind, and no action taken. The breakdown and scrum infringements in also an area of concern. TV refs: even they are calling it wrong. I mean, there have been tries awarded that even the commentators cant see how they came to those conclusions. All is cool, untill the calls go against your team. Refs should also be docked from their match fee for poor calls. That will never happen, but I think it will improve the standard of refs.

      Howzitekse - 2011-05-05 00:10

      I saw it differently, and at one stage during the game even emailed a Shark supporter friend of mine that the ref. is a Shark. I Thought he was very hard on the Stormers. It was not an easy game to ref, as there were lots of collisions.

      Ryan - 2011-05-05 02:52

      Bein a neutral observer, Your way off. The Reffing in this game was pretty good. Also, If you want to see poor reffing, Watch NHL games. Its a disgrace. If you understood the game and saw what things are called, you would be only too happy to take what you ahve currently.

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 05:16

      Howzat, om die ref te judge nadat jy die game oor die radio geluister het is nie baie akkuraat nie. As jy actually die game gekyk het dan sou jy weet waarvan Graeme praat.

      Ian - 2011-05-05 06:37

      As usual, utter rubbish talked by someone who has no idea of what refereeing involves. Unless you have been a ref.,you will not ever understand what the challenges and pressures are. It is so easy to watch TV with the incidents repeated in slo-mo about 10 times. All you get on the field is what you see in the blink of an eye..

      Marcell - 2011-05-05 07:11

      If you can't handle the pressure get another job! Simple.

      Ruggerman - 2011-05-05 07:50

      With you on this one. Sure the Sharks were outplayed, but the ref was in consistent and even the commentators believed that he should have sorted out some of the over physical stuff in the first quarter of the game - a swinging arm from CJ entering a ruck from the side on Smit comes to mind. And on many occassions inconsistent adjudication of rolling away at the tackle!

      Henrich - 2011-05-05 07:53

      I'm a Stormer and i must say, i did pick up a few things that the Stormers got Lucky! Nothing in regards to points but help with the momentum! Sharks also got away with a few minor things, but in Rugby these things happen and we need to accept it! Human Error! I do agree with closer games! That can help to swing the game! I think 2years back the university's used white cards! The Captain can question certain events on field and ask for a TV ref to deside! Think this might be a good idee for the IRB to considder!

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 10:27

      @Ryan, I am a Bull, so I am a neutral observer too, and I dont think you are watching. @Ian - I respect that the refs have a tough job. It is a responsible job. They werent forced to do it, and I believe are paid well to do it - so a certain work standard is expected. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the beast. @ Henrich. I second you on this. A captain should have referals like in cricket. But it is also a worry that the tv ref gets it wrong. If you watch the Bulls game, a try was awarded to the Chiefs where the player made a second placement of the ball (penalty to Bulls), and I tell you, I am not sure that it was over the line. The commentators said it was short too - but low and behold, a try was given. There should be tv refs, from different countries. It is difficult.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 10:34

      @Ruggerman - rolling away, and holding the ball, sometimes because the tackler doent release, and refs are getting it wrong too often. Shoulder charges and fists flying - not just Saturday, but it is getting worse. Greyling of the Bulls hit a guy with his elbo, SBW shoulder charge on Kanco, Kershner getting pushed into the banners way after the wistle against the Force etc. Not even a siting. This kind of thing will get worse.

      Chris Holtshausen - 2011-05-05 17:09

      Ag ou Graeme en Lloyd, hou asb jul bitterbek Bloubul-kommentaar vir julself en jul Bloubul-buddies. Los nou die grootmanne se forum en gaan speel saam met die klein vissies op die Bloubul-forum - dis waar hulle swem. Shame, jy kan behoorlik die desperaatheid in jul kommentaar hoor...As jul enigsins kan glo, is ek seker julle bid elke aand dat daai 'dem' Stormers tog net sal verloor!!! En dan, ai, elke naweek die TELEURSTELLING !!! Ek kan natuurlik nie wag vir jul STANDAARD antwoord nie...

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 18:21

      @Chris - you are as common as grass mate. My post is relevant, and have been mentioned by many people who know more about rugby than the both of us put together. I also didnt insult or detract from any Stormer, nor the team. If you read my posts, you would know that I have given credit to the other teams when it was due. You are a typical idiot that thinks you know rugby because your team plays well. You are the same idiot who has posted several times that the ref cost your Stormers the S14 last year, and now you dissagree??? I remember your stupid posts from the time you insulted the children and schools in Pretoria - you stooped that low. I dont care for your opinion, nor do I care for your type - groot mens.

      Chris Holtshausen - 2011-05-05 19:43

      @GraemeBB: Ek is verheug om te sien dat jy darem genoeg verstand het om te erken dat jy eintlik zero van rugby weet. Die feit dat jy sekere mense se kennis van rugby op hierdie forum aanbid, spreek natuurlik ook boekdele van 'onse' vermoeens daarbo. Moet asb net nie my volgende keer sonder my toestemming sommer by jou 'onkundigheid' insluit nie. Hou ook asb op met jammergatgeid en se waar jy staan. Niemand gaan vir ou Graemie brownie punte gee vir sy sogenaamde 'neutraliteit' nie - enige mens kan met 'n blinde stok aanvoel jy kan nie wag vir die Stormers om te verloor nie!!! Jou Jannie-Jammergat-houding is selfs erger om te verteer as ou Lloyd se breinloosheid! En, ja, ek sal dit weer herhaal: Die Bulle het nie daai bekers gewen nie - die Bloubril- refs van SA soos Marius Plonker, Craigie Bloubert en kie het die bekers VIR julle gewen!!! Feite: Geen ander span in die reeks het eens naby die aantal kere SA-refs soos die Bloubulle gehad nie - fyn gereel deur Andre Watson. Nou is hy gone...en ja, die Bloubulle is gone!!! Ironies ne?!!! Ek herhaal ook weer my pleidooi: GEEN SA-refs wanneer SA-spanne betrokke is nie - insluitend die Stormers. Dan is ek bereid om enige uitslag met grasie te aanvaar! O ja, ek het regtig nie laas die 'kinders' eerste betrek nie - dit was 'n blote reaksie op 'n ander sielblousieke se kommentaar wat gevra het daarvoor.

      Andrew Griffiths - 2011-05-05 20:12

      Where is Pappa Smurf? I miss his informed comments.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 20:30

      @Chris - there you proved yourself that to be a big POEPOL! Firstly - you cant identify with me about ref mistakes, but then carry on about the Bulls getting preferential treatment from the Refs?? You must be dafter than I anticipated. Secondly - just because I am able to ignore your type, and be true to my country's teams, you are upset. I will always hope the Bulls beat the Stormers, but beyond that I dont have to justify myself to you. You come onto this site expecting the worse from BB, but that is because you assume that we are all like you. Damned if we dont support our county's other teams, damned if we do. The truth is that you will sell your mother to see the Bulls lose against any team. You sound like you just cant get over the Bulls previous success - a real sour loser, the worst type. And dont come speak utter crap - I remember your poor comments about schools and children you ass. Chris, you are not the man you think you are. Lastly - I dont use other peoples knowledge to post on this site, but I do read and listen, and understand. These are my views. But unlike you who thinks he knows all, I still believe that we are never too old or clever to learn. I may quote from certain people, but I have this ability to process what I hear, see and read. Have a great night, "groot mens".

  • Wolff - 2011-05-04 23:20

    Maybe fitter than Ricky yes.

      Rix - 2011-05-05 04:49

      OK, so what should be the average weight of a scrumhalf...because Ricky possibly exceeds that with like a 100000 Steers Burgers, the dude is out of shape, possibly the slowest scrumhalf in the Super 15, but will somehow still be selected for the Bokke…why, why, why? If he gets back into shape and start playing the rugby he did just before he joined the Stormers then I will personally vote for him, but on current performance…nope! BTW, I recon Jaco will beat Ricky with about half a sec in the 100m…you’re a ref dude, not a Rugby player, that is why you have that shining thing around your neck…..a fit Ricky and any other Super Rugby Player…sheeezz even a Vodacom Cup player will outrun you….jy was vining op jou tyd, maar daai knie pappie, daai knie, jy dink nog jy hardloop dan “eet jy dalk net weer gras”…LOL

  • thetruth - 2011-05-05 00:09

    wolf , u racist vark

      Sê wie? - 2011-05-05 01:46

      thelie, if a player is not fit, not evenn racist remarks like yours will change the fact. Colour has nothing to do with fitness, although some players might think they can slack because the coach is forced to pick a number of AA players. I just wonder, if a ref takes the number of hits a player takes, if he would still be as fit?

      Mark Mantell - 2011-05-05 02:15

      how is that racist you chop?

      Shai-hulud - 2011-05-05 07:41

      @thetruth, you make morons look bad.

  • WPBEFONK - 2011-05-05 05:49

    He is definitely fitter than FdPreez en Spies...

      PMG - 2011-05-05 06:45

      @WPBEFONK - You are 100% correct,not to mention the two dinasours - Smit and Matfield.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-05 10:36

      WPBEFONK isnt fit to write a decent comment.

  • Jaco De Jager - 2011-05-05 05:49

    What a load of hogwash, imagine this small oke running up and down the pitch, screaming: I am fit, I am fit, i am going to have a fit!!!!!!!! No use if you are fit, and you make some dubious decisions, and no 2 refs in the competition have the same rule book? Hey Jaco, you are smaller than you think. Gaan huistoe.

  • jvscooter - 2011-05-05 06:38

    just shows you what a crap ref he is . He forgot that making tackles and being tackle also uses up energy. I can recall a few times he wasn`t close to the play.

  • Pieto Smith - 2011-05-05 06:51

    ja nee...jako peyper is omgekoop deur alistair coetzee met n maand se supply van bokkoms en papsak...go Sharks!!!!!!!....go Bulls!!!!!!! Wee - Pee!!!!!!!!

      Lloyd - 2011-05-05 08:03

      En hy kry n lifetime gatsby supply.

  • Snoek - 2011-05-05 06:51

    I don't take anything he says seriously. I remember him as the most beaten up person in the history of Grey Collage. The only reason he's climbing the ladder this fast is because of his contacts and his school connections.

  • Sanity_Check - 2011-05-05 07:31

    I would rather sit and watch the game.. :)

  • Claude - 2011-05-05 07:38

    Maybe Jaco Peyper would like to change places with a Super Rugby scrumhalf and see if he is still of the opinion after the game - you never know one or other of the jobs might be improved!

  • Johan - 2011-05-05 07:54

    The refs are probably fitter than most of our fat rugby players.

  • Niceb - 2011-05-05 07:59

    "I believe we need to be just as fit, if not fitter, than a scrumhalf at Super Rugby level." He said we need to be, not we are fitter.

  • lost-it - 2011-05-05 08:33

    I want to know how could he and the touch refs miss soooo many "little things" like at scrum time and the odd dodgy arm swing, kicking players on the floor or dangerous tackles?? even the try with Fourie, Louw was facing forward with his arms on the ground infront of him but yet his pop up pass "went back" even in the last minute or so of the game, he let the dangerous tackle go (where the Shark player was lifted off his feet) but blew the whistle on Deysel and JP for dangerous "mauling" over a lost ball!!!!!

      Clifton - 2011-05-05 12:26

      You name a few things but forget the thing he missed in your the blatant klap JP gave Wikus Blaauw, the punch on Deon Fourie, The holding of Schalks jersey in every single ruck, the penalty for tackle on chased kick when clearly the sharks player was tackled and he held on to the ball and stood up without wet more for you than against you!!!

  • StBad - 2011-05-05 08:34

    A very popular topic; anyone considered contacting their local refs society and becoming a local ref to harness their knowledge and skills of the game we love so much? I promise you it will change the way you watch a game of rugby!

  • sessisie - 2011-05-05 09:22

    So, Peyper reckons scrummies aren't fit!

      Clifton - 2011-05-05 12:22

      A lot off shaks can only blame ref but oint the very first minute JP gave Wikus one moerse klap on the head.....nothing came from it, deon fourie was also punched early in the game....nothing came from the stormers started answering the caal of the sharks dirty tactics and the ref let them sort it out by them you want to cry because we stood up to the shyte you dished out....many times the sharks, Bissy in particular get away with this sort of thing!!!! Man up were smashed!

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