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Ref 'cost' Brumbies win

2012-04-26 11:55

Sydney - The Super Rugby tournament's head of referring has acknowledged that an officiating blunder was to blame for the Brumbies' 36-34 loss to the Bulls on Saturday.

SANZAR game manager Lyndon Bray said on Thursday the Bulls' second try of the match was awarded in error, with both South African referee Marius Jonker and assistant referees Lourens van der Merwe and Stefan Breytenbach missing a clear knock-on from Bulls player Morne Steyn.

CJ Stander ran on to score after everyone else - including his Bulls team-mates - stopped and waited for the referee to call the infraction.

Bray was quoted as saying Stander's try was "just a stone-cold mistake," adding Jonker has to put his hand up and say "we got it completely wrong."

AP

Comments
  • Dave - 2012-04-26 12:06

    At least he is man enough to admit his mistake

      Chad - 2012-04-26 12:13

      Referees are killing the game

      Jean - 2012-04-26 12:21

      So in other words, the bulls didn't deserve to win and they shouldn't be so high on the log... mmmmmmm, but ag wat, dit was mos net n fout!!!

      Nic - 2012-04-26 12:42

      What? Did you hear that Jake White, you've been robbed of a "certain" victory!? Just hang on, let me see if I can get it overturned for you... Sorry, answer is no.

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-26 12:42

      Admitting it doesnt change the score. Bryce Lawless Lawrence also admitted it. Still South Africa tried to slaughter him

      Willem - 2012-04-26 12:52

      @Jean you clearly never played a game of rugby in your life, if the bulls try wasn't awarded, the game would've been closer, and the bulls wouldn't have gone to sleep like they did when they were leading by 16 or so point in the last 10mintes

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 12:55

      @Pierre - "the Brumbies was never in that game" - 5 tries to 2. Nope, the Brumbies was never in that game (sic).

      Bryan - 2012-04-26 12:58

      And as a 'Die-hard' Bulls supporter........ Sadly, I have to agree but unfortunately mistakes have been made in the past and will continue happening..Sad part of the game!!

      walkthisway469 - 2012-04-26 13:08

      He has'nt admitted to anything yet,there is a trend when it comes to local officials and loftus.There has allways been a kiwi at the helm of the refs in this comp.After the saders game Pro whatever is nowhere to be seen and Marius will move down the pecking order for sure.The two hometown refs decisions will come back to bite the bulls on tour,Bray is definately alluding to that.

      Thomas - 2012-04-26 19:09

      Isn't this the guy who voted Bryce Lawrence NZ ref of the year???????

      Dok - 2012-04-26 23:11

      Strange how no-one came forward during the World Cup to say what a cr@p ref Bryce Lawrence were! Not even SARU had any thing to say. But now that a South African ref made a "dubious" decision, all of a sudden we have bad referees! I bet you that SARU as always will say nothing to protect us and as always leave us to the DOGS! Now that our teams are playing better rugby against overseas teams we are a threat, and we are treated as such! Time to stand up SARU and protect our teams and our referees instead of your own interests!

      Thomas - 2012-04-26 23:39

      Well said Dok!!!

  • Stirrer - 2012-04-26 12:11

    BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!!!!!

      Lionel - 2012-04-26 12:35

      I agree hahahahahahahahahah breath hahahahahahahaahahahaha

      Papa-storm - 2012-04-26 13:42

      This is what i spoke about yesterday the bulls and their marius and co.

      Felix - 2012-04-26 13:42

      Reminds me of the first time they won the super rugby trophy.

      Denése - 2012-04-27 16:19

      THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE THE TIME THE BULLS WERE GIVEN HABANNA'S TRY WHEN HE PICKED THE BALL UP AFTER A BULL'S KNOCK ON. THAT COST THE SHARKS THE SUPER14. AND, BY THE WAY, TIME WAS ALREADY UP SO HAD THE BULLS - CORRECTLY - NOT BEEN AWARDED THE TRY THEY WOULD HAVE NO TIME TO MAKE AMENDS. THE NEXT DAY STEVE WALSH SAID, AFTER HE'D WATCHED A REPLAY OF THE MATCH, "I MADE A MISTAKE" SO THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES. SHARKS 1 AND BULLS 2

  • PumaFred - 2012-04-26 12:15

    Bull

      Press - 2012-04-26 12:53

      And what did Lyndon Bray have to say about the knockon behind the Brumbies goal line that was not blown up either - and which resulted in their last try instead of a Bulls 5m scrum ?

  • Jean - 2012-04-26 12:19

    nou wil ek hoor hoe die bulls supporters nou b!tch... Hahahahahaha!!!

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-04-26 12:32

      die keer is dit die aussies wat bitch ou vriend. ons het die wen hulle gaan dit nie weg vat nie.

  • Graham - 2012-04-26 12:23

    What a #$%& joke! The double standards is just "#$%&? SA team get screwed all the time and no says anything.

  • Fred - 2012-04-26 12:23

    The great rugby Ego-officiating stupidity continues. Does anyone still watch rugby? Who wants to watch a sport where the officials are center stage, and almost half the results are unreliable, slanted by officiating errors.

      Ian - 2012-04-26 12:40

      Yes, I do because what you say is rubbish.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-04-26 12:44

      fred if you don't watch rugby why do u take the time to read the article and even comment on it as well.

  • Charl - 2012-04-26 12:24

    bulls almost always win with help from refs

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-26 12:44

      True story sir

      Denése - 2012-04-27 16:22

      TOO TRUE!!!!!

  • Deon - 2012-04-26 12:26

    He tried to fix it by missing another knock on by the Brumbies close to theire own line, but two wrong calls don't make it right.

  • Riaan - 2012-04-26 12:27

    Manne, ek is jammer om te se, maar julle moet mooi kyk. 'n Normale mens het net twee oe, en die sit aan die voorkant van sy kop. Daar is menigte goed wat ek en jy nie elke dag rondom ons sien nie. Refs is ook net menslik en kan 'n fout hier en daar mis, van wee die feit dat hy net twee oe het en nie 30 paar oe soos die spelers op die baan en 'n paar miljoen paar oe soos die kykers op die tV nie. So, gee die ou 'n kans. Gaan liewer gal af oor die assistent skeids regter wat dit ook nie gesien het nie, of die IRB wat nie wil toelaat dat TV skeidsregters meer se het nie.

      marnusmnorval - 2012-04-26 12:47

      Hyt gese no knock play on. want hyt direk vir dit gekyk.

      Bootman - 2012-04-26 13:08

      Riaan when Steyn knocked the ball on, Jonker called "backward........play on" and the assistants heard this in their earpieces, so they could not intervene. If Jonker had not said anything, I can gaurentee you that one of the assistants would have called it. My point being.............you cannot hold the assistants responsible for this. This was a clear case of bad refereeing. Even if Jonker was not in line and not able to see the knock, the ballcarrier's reaction should have given it away.

      Lionel - 2012-04-26 13:28

      Exactly@Bootman,everybody gave the game away by stopping!!!!!!!!

  • Christian J Denyschen - 2012-04-26 12:29

    The rules states that you should play until the whistle blows, a good team like the stormers(hurts saying this) would have played and not have waited for the ref and probably stop the Bulls from scoring. Anyway who is this Lyndon Bray his probably just a sour aussie, how does it feel being on the other side of poor decisions by a ref?

  • peter.britz1 - 2012-04-26 12:34

    Oh Boy! At least as far as the Brumbies are concerned, it was a leveller, as they benefitted from a similiar poor reffing performance by Keith Brown vs the Cheetahs. The Cheetahs by contrast are still 4 points shy, after being shafted, by Brown, and though the game vs the Lions was just poor reffing, by Lawrence, I can't say the Cheetahs would have won, but the return match seems to indicate that

  • The-third - 2012-04-26 12:37

    payback for Cheetahs.

  • bloedisblou - 2012-04-26 12:38

    jinne, nou gaan die poofter supporters mal raak oor die berig, simpel ape

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 12:53

      Suurgat.

      bloedisblou - 2012-04-26 12:58

      waarvoor moet ek suur wees?

      Stirrer - 2012-04-26 13:14

      As jy nie is nie, moet asseblief nie so klink nie. Stormer groete.

  • Bill - 2012-04-26 12:41

    Somehow 5 tries to 2 tells a story of some kind? Not sure what that story is........

  • Rohann - 2012-04-26 12:47

    Refs should be held accountable for their mistakes.I'm not just talking about this perticular game, I'm talking in general. These refs think they cab dictate a games as they see fit without consequence. When a rugby player makes a mistake, tackles high or tip tackle or whatever he gets banned. So refs must also get banned. Yes we all are human but there is a difference between missing something and completely ignoring it or ignoring a whole rule like the Bryce Lawrence incident. BTW does anyone know how refs are rated? What is the criteria?

  • Paul - 2012-04-26 12:48

    The management of referees are killing the game refer back to nutral referees and 90% of the errors will be resolved as there is too much presure on the home ref blowinh a home team yes they are neutral but too much presure sometimes cost the home teams.

  • John - 2012-04-26 12:53

    Just not good enough! He's been getting it wrong for a long time. I'm no Brumbies fan but it was blatant cheating and the fact that all 3 got it wrong makes me wonder. It is also wrong to say it cost the Brumbies a win. We do not know that.

  • Chrono - 2012-04-26 13:10

    I don't agree with the knock-on story but I am soooo glad a SA ref helped the Bulls win. Lets cheat 'em till kingdom comes for Bryce Lawrence AND make Jonker SA's ref of the year.

  • Leon - 2012-04-26 13:35

    And the other 99% of Mistakes that Aus/NZ Refs make... Ignored.

  • Keith - 2012-04-26 14:10

    Bray is quick to point out mistakes by SA refs but he is very much silent on the refs of downunder.Just be consistent mr.Bray please.

      Skhona - 2012-04-26 14:17

      Who cares cause when your countrymen makes stupid mistakes you make an excuse when its SA so quick to judge we watching you

  • Elaine - 2012-04-26 14:25

    let us ALL just hope (whoever plays in the final) that this does NOT happen... wonder who the ref will be....Ek moet sê ek hou nogal van Mnr Welsh al is hy Australian!

  • Marko - 2012-04-26 17:59

    Lyndon Bray also forgot to metion the forward pass leading to the Brumbies 2nd try and the Aussie ref blunder witch cost the Cheetahs their game against the Brumbies. Not to mention NZ ref of the year Bryce Laurence.

  • Danie - 2012-04-26 18:36

    It looked to me like the ball went backwards or at least down, then hit the ground and bounced/rolled forward to the wing. The rules of the forward pass has a specific exception which states that the ball is allowed to bounce forward as long as it does not go forward initially. It may be a 50/50 call, but it wasn't a howler. Even assuming the call was incorrect. At the time of the "knock-on", the bulls were in their own half with 6 brumbies on defense close enough to tackle. They messed up on defense. Stander ran over the last guy. It's their own fault. You simply cannot place the blame for a try on a missed knock in your opponents' half. Sour grapes....

      Bigrp - 2012-04-26 21:37

      Agree 100% Danie; watched it again and it certainly is a 50/50 call...I'm a ref, and we are told to blow the clear and obvious...this wasn't! The Brumbies should maybe also try to play to the whistle...from a Stormers supporter!

  • Mohambry - 2012-04-26 23:40

    Why don't you publish the full article, which also highlights the lopsided penalty count in the Bulls favour. Neutral referess a must SANZA.

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-04-27 05:35

    Dropping the ball straight down is NOT a knock on!

  • Wim - 2012-04-27 06:55

    Last year [or was it the year before?] Paul Marks was taken off the super rugby refereeing panel because of poor on-field decisions. Marius Plonker should also be removed - he has a history of poor decision making. He is an embarrassment to SA ... we have enough excellent referees. Why not promote Jason Japhta to the panel?

  • tony.kirby1 - 2012-04-27 11:32

    Press you say Brumbies also had a knock on. So two knock-ons noyt blown. A case of Knock Knock whoes there, Maargemis.... Maargemis who?? Maargemis die knock jonker

  • andrewplamont - 2012-04-27 12:20

    Isn't this 'Bryceless'................ Where was Lynden Bray at the time of the world cup or is this just payback time!!

  • Andrew Constanti - 2012-04-27 19:09

    How can that assumption be made? The game still had a while to go, it wasn't as if the try scored was in the last minute and the bulls won by two,to make such a statement. Furthermore and most importantly, had the ref blown for the knock on, the game would have restarted at that mark. Who knows what the next play would have been and how the game would have been played by either team from there. It is ridiculous for the ref body to say it cost the Brumbies the game!!! Admitting the error was clear yes but come on it cost the game??!!! Stats also show a balanced ref-ing display. Compared to Bryce Lawrence who tried to blow the Boks out completely and stats show that and we still had 70% of all play... Dof comment from the ref body !!!

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