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Naka moans about officials

2011-06-05 22:02

Jóhann Thormählen

Bloemfontein - Cheetahs coach Naka Drotské was visibly dissatisfied here on Saturday after match officials overlooked foul play incidents in his team's Super Rugby defeat to the Sharks.

According to Drotské, it's unacceptable that nobody spotted several off-the-ball incidents in the Cheetahs' 18-23 reverse to the Sharks.

While the home side did not capitalise on their chances, the coach believes luck was not on the Cheetahs' side.

The Sharks had to defend manfully towards the end of the game and referee Marius Jonker rightly issued yellow cards to scrumhalf Charl McLeod and flank Keegan Daniel for illegal play.

But perhaps Jonker's assistants, Jonathan Kaplan and Cobus Wessels, should have done better to inform him of the incidents that Drotské was referring to.

"I was unhappy with three or four off-the-ball incidents. For example, Ashley Johnson was blatantly nailed with the shoulder and without arms after passing the ball. He was floored on two or three occasions," said Drotské.

"It's unacceptable that three match officials cannot spot it. Two weeks ago Rayno Benjamin was suspended for an alleged headbutt of which there was no footage. And against the Sharks there were three or four off-the-ball incidents that none of the officials spotted."

Drotské also believes that television match official Johann Meuwesen should perhaps have played a greater role in the game.

"We were over the goalline a few times and the TMO should have been consulted once or twice. Adriaan Strauss, in particular, feels that he scored and that is the difference between winning and losing."

Jonker had apparently already blown his whistle before Strauss could place the ball.

"Another turning point was when we were on the attack and Stefan Terblanche stood next to the ruck and knocked the ball down. There were four of our players against two defenders and it would have been a definite try, but we were still awarded a scrum. It does not make sense because it was definitely a yellow-card offence," said Drotské.

"We did not have luck on our side and perhaps two or three decisions also went against us."

Drotské is not concerned about the possible citing of players that were guilty of foul play.

"What do you achieve with citings? You can't change the result. One expects match officials to spot the incidents in the games themselves," he said.

"The Sharks have a good chance of still making the play-offs, but I believe we may have won the game had the incidents been spotted. But it's one of those things and we're moving on."
 

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Comments
  • gnus wakker - 2011-06-05 22:08

    And rightly so!!! I have never seen a team more robbed then the Cheetahs on Sat!!!

      katjie2 - 2011-06-06 03:43

      Boo-whoo....!!!

      WPBEFONK - 2011-06-06 06:07

      I agree with Naka, because this was also one of the reasons why they lost the game against the Blue Bulls. They should have won both these matches if it was not for weak decisions by Marius Jonker and Mark Lawrence. Go STORMERS SAAG daai bulle. Ons gaan hulle saterdag VERNIEL!!!!!!!

      Frikkie - 2011-06-06 07:38

      Hahaha WP dankie dat jy gekom het... Sien jou Sondag...

      Paul - 2011-06-06 07:39

      Bwhahah bad losers... take it like a man will you....well played Sharkies well played

      Snoek - 2011-06-06 09:51

      Match fixing perhaps? I would love to see the match report?

      AmandaWhereTo - 2011-06-06 09:57

      I was watching the game when I got an sms from my parents saying that the Sharks won "despite the reff trying to help the kitty's". During the game I had commented to my mate that the reff isn't having a good game, but at least he's consistently bad with both teams and isn't giving one definite favor over the other. The ref did miss a few things but that's how it goes. It's all about perspective. Clearly all the Cheetahs guys will cry foul because they lost. I think the Sharks won because they finally hastened up their defense, minimized handling errors compared to previous games, and the Cheetahs couldn't penetrate the line.

      Big G - 2011-06-06 09:59

      Paul .. "Take it like a man" - and then you add the word Sharkies" .. Wanker .. you are a typical Shark supporter with no rugby brain just a black and white shirt and you probably sing that "We are black we are white - wank off song" .. the ref was Marius Jonker .. name and shame .. it was disgusting .. sad day for rugby ..

      PJ - 2011-06-06 10:59

      Naka kla ALTYD na n verloor,reg of verkeerd.Hy sal weer een vd dae begin kla dat die Stormers onwettig skrum of iets voor hul game.Patetiese aap!

      Ongers - 2011-06-06 14:49

      DEFINITIEF JUNIE SE PLONKER !!!!! JAMMER DAAR KAN NET EEN WEES. SOU KAPLAN EN WESSELS OOK NOMINEER !!!!!!

  • Mike B - 2011-06-05 22:20

    You tell them Naka! I am not a Cheetah fan, but was disgusted at the blatant cheating of the ref and his assistamts. You are quit right in saying you have 3 officials watching the game as well as a TV ref and things are just "overlooked" or missed! It is time that these officials are taken on and are also penalized as the players are and then we might start getting some consistancy! At this point in time I am wondering which ref will win thw World Cup as it is obvious not in the hands of the teams!

      Chronoman - 2011-06-06 10:38

      Kaplan was in on it again. He must have something against the Cheetas or otherwise he is on the take.

      Chronoman - 2011-06-06 10:40

      Where have you ever seen a lineout infringement (by the Sharks) leading to the ref saying "Let's do this over". Jonker should be prevented from blowing matches at this level.

  • jontheb - 2011-06-05 22:23

    Naka isn't the only person dissatisfied about the quality of S15 reffing this wknd. What about legoeta's shocking wrongful call of a headbutt? There needs to be some serious consequences for these refs...

      Ockert - 2011-06-06 07:54

      He is the worst of the lot, but obviously provincialism or being scared of so called name brands are the other problems with refs. - they should be yellow carded, and if the mess up a second game they should be red carded - be taken off the panel for re-training, and only return for duties after say 3 or 4 games , and be fined match fess for both matches.

      atreyu_za - 2011-06-06 10:42

      When asked about the indecent he was "ummm ummm". I think he knew he made a bad call but was too embarrassed to correct himself.

      TotesMcGoats - 2011-06-06 12:44

      I totally agree that headbutt call was ridiculous and possibly ruined the Waratahs chances of making the Playoffs. It would be awesome to have 3 teams in the playoff but not as a result of poor decision making by refs.

  • Kcolraw - 2011-06-05 22:25

    Have to agree, I am not a cheetah so I laughed myself silly at the referee's decisions! But You have to admit we all know that Marius Jonker and Jonathan Kaplan are the worst and most bias referees in South Africa! I can't believe there aren't anyone better out there

      BCC - 2011-06-05 22:30

      They are the worst and most bias refs in the world my friend.

      Neo - 2011-06-06 09:54

      Sorry, but I think Joubert just about beat them.... should get a Bulls jersey! I wanted the Sharks to win, but not like that!

      Hennie - 2011-06-07 18:11

      hey my maat wees bly Mark lawrence het nie geblaas nie want dan hoef die Cheetahs nie eers te gespeel het nie,hy is die een wat altyd voor n guppy game in hul kleedkamers rondhang (seker omdat hy mof is en die manne in die storte wil uitkyk)

  • obelensky - 2011-06-05 22:59

    So is Naka going to be reprimanded by SARU/SANZAR for speaking the truth? They can say what they like, but the Cheetahs were robbed. It was there for the whole rugby world to see. No wonder Jonker got kicked off the WC refs.

      Dale - 2011-06-05 23:35

      Keith Brown was just as pathetic in the Lions games boys..........the refs this year are very poor.......

      LDP - 2011-06-06 17:43

      Dale, you are so right. I think everyone is now really voicing their opinions about the refs because they are effectively being knocked out of the competition. The 3 on field refs missed 2 blatant forward passes by the Hurricanes v the Lions, 1 which resulted directly in a try. Bottom line, is that it happens all the time and is never 'in favour' of one side. Until the TMO gets more power to tell the ref he missed a call, it is and will remain a part of the game (unfortunately).

  • kurtvs - 2011-06-05 23:07

    Yes Naka. I am not a cheetahs Fan either but certainly does not support cheating and that is certainly what the officials did on Saturday. Please do cite the players for foul play. Ashley Johnson was outstanding and outplayed the shark’s forwards this led to these cheap shots. The last time I saw a pathetic refereeing performance with blatant cheating like this was during the last world cup quarterfinal

      johnmackor@24.com - 2011-06-05 23:32

      Also not a Cheetah supporter, but have watched , in my opinion, Jonker and Kaplan deteriorate into two of the worst refs on the super rugby circuit. The incidents they "did not see" in this game proves them to be either biased or plain useless.

      Deon - 2011-06-06 07:33

      Agree 100% Even Toks vd Linde was laughing about the incidents that went unpunished. Marius Jonker should not get another game and that goes for Kaplan as well. Now I ask the question. Match fixing? I mean the shoulder charge was right in front on Kaplan........... Well I must admit it was a weekend of the worst decisions in rugby that I ever saw.High tackle on Wynand was not seen by Graig Joubert and then a red card for a head but which never happened. Use techlogogy like in cricket. Give each team 4 referals.Did yoy guys see all the forward passes in the Lions game that led to 2 tries for the Canes?

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-06-06 09:02

      Deon, Toks vd Linde is the worst example you could use, because nobody is worse than him

      PJ - 2011-06-07 02:54

      Hoekom Blouste ek dog Bakkies is die slegste?Die feit dat Toks vir WP gespeel het het niks met jou mening te doen nie of hoe?Dom etter!

  • Tukkie7 - 2011-06-05 23:36

    Cheetahs also my 2nd team. Let's say the two yellow cards cancelled out the bad decisions against the Cheetahs, but wtf happened at that line-out in the first half where the Sharks committed 2 infringements and the ref asked to have the line-out over because it was messy?!!!!! P.S. watching Free State rugby is like watching that legendary Barbarians vs All Blacks match on ESPNclassic, a pleasure!

      !!Vrystaat!! - 2011-06-06 07:12

      yellow cards at the last dying minutes of the game does not really help when all the other minutes you where playing against the refs and dirty players.

  • ZACommentator - 2011-06-05 23:48

    Boo Hoo Naka. Refs are really not great and you get swings and roundabouts. Last week it was the Sharks getting a 2 week ban and nothing for a kick in the head to Sykes. Suck it up man.

      sannahan - 2011-06-06 03:28

      The Sharks knew the ban was [rightfully] coming. I'm a Shark and WANT my team to win, but NOT THIS way. There were incidents where the officials [seemingly] helped to turn the tide of the match. The yellow cards towards the end were too late to make a difference.

      CamelJoe - 2011-06-06 08:39

      @sannahan: I have alot of respect for you because of what you just said. You are clearly a very openminded rugby supporter. Bottemline is cheetahs lost and now whe should all stand behind the rest of the SA teams and keep that trophy in South Africa

      Storm Bru - 2011-06-06 11:59

      Truth is it won't get them passed the first qualifier if they make it. Cheating eventually gets you when you have to face the big boys like the Reds and Crusaders away from home. Cruelly though the Sharks will get pummelled by these teams. They are just not playing well - fact!

  • George van der Merwe - 2011-06-06 00:23

    Disgusting referee and officials. No doubt the most biased of all the Super XV games I've watched. Surely something should be done about it? They bring the game into disrepute and allow rugby thuggery to reign supreme.

  • Andrew - 2011-06-06 04:09

    Even here in Nz theres been talk on sports talk back about the refs on sided performance

  • Lewsi - 2011-06-06 04:47

    Oh yes Marius Jonker was APPALLING. The Sharks should be darned grateful to him for their win. No wonder he isnt going to the world cup.

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-06-06 05:23

    What a disgrace. S15 is a farce. As a Sharks supporter i am disgusted that we could win in such a manner. Really Smit your late off the ball shoulder charge in the 56th minute should have been a red card let alone Oupa and Ludick as well as Daniels not getting carded earlier is a disgrace. Jonker the plonker should be fired. Poor Cheethas they kopped it when they player the ANZACS but none were as bad as this. Totally outplayed yet the better team looses. Smells like match fixing to me.

  • Kudubul - 2011-06-06 05:41

    I switched the tv off after what I fought was daylight robbery. Switched it back on later just to see Terblance blatantly knocking the ball on the tryline. I would love the Sharks to have won it so we can have 3 teams in there but this just left me saddened for the Cheetahs.

      Paul - 2011-06-06 07:47

      Cry me a river then ...ok ...Go sharkies

  • Dolittle - 2011-06-06 06:43

    it is absolutely possible for rugby officials to be involved with match fixing. I have never seen a group or organisation close ranks as these guys when these kind of allegations are made. How can Super Sport not even make a whisper about such unacceptable poor refereeing, but yet they promote fair play in sport. These rugby officials could be making millions on the side line!

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 06:48

    Why was there none of this outrage from predominantly BULLS fans when the Stormers were robbed of a try in the Newlands game against the Saders? And none of this Bulls fans outrage about Joubert and Legoete's performance Friday night which assisted the Bulls? And NO outrage after Jonker gifted the Bulls a win against the Saders last year? etc etc etc. Bulls fans: it seems you chaps are 'outraged' due to the fact the Sharks remain in the playoff race. and NOT by the refereeing.....(if it was the refereeing, you chaps would have been vocal about it all season - surely?) Yes - the refereeing was dodgy & the Cheetahs were a touch unlucky, but the Sharks still had to win the game.....I suggest you chaps try to remain objective, and not only cry foul when it suits you. Tsk tsk.

      Brannas - 2011-06-06 07:08

      Cry me a River!!!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 07:17

      The Juskei is already full of sh*t (and Steve's U2 tickets....) What river would you suggest I cry for you old Brannas?

      Vincent - 2011-06-06 07:17

      Very well stated. And sadly, true for most of them out there. I cannot comment on this game, as I did not have chance to watch it. But there have been lots of dodgy calls from refs. And not only this season. But nothing gets done about it.

      !!Vrystaat!! - 2011-06-06 07:19

      Does your comment have any meaning in live or you just wanted to see if you could annoy people. I recon you did not watch the match thats why you would say something so stupid. Cheetahs was cheated a few games in the past also and lost just . just by even TV refs giving tries that was not ment to be, but this was outrages. When last did you hear the Cheetahs moan? Really if you want to moan about other games then go do it there, dont downplay what happen Saterday as 1 or 2 incidents. I mean when your commentators mentions THREE times that Terblanch has experience that is why he could get away with murder in 3 separate incidents, then you already get a pictures and then when they mention and show 1 after the other where the ref is bad and say.. WOW the Cheetahs really got the raw deal there then you really know this is the whole game, not here and there. You speak of 1 try in a match. @#$@#4 this was the match full of bulcrap !!

      Kudubul - 2011-06-06 07:23

      Youre trying to make it a war between supporters issue? We are not talking about bad decisions which is human, but referees trying to change the flow off the game, and this was just too obvious i,m afraid.

      Brannas - 2011-06-06 07:25

      SAFFA-CAT is a miracle of divine contradictions

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 07:35

      I watched the game.....there were dodgy calls. There were also dodgy calls on FRIDAY night. There were NUMEROUS dodgy calls in the Lions game as well. Yet NO noise was made about that. Perspective people, perspective. Legoete, Joubert and Jonker are all incompetent...If people want to take the MORAL highground on refereeing outrage, they should at least be CONSISTENT. No?

      Frikkie - 2011-06-06 07:39

      Go Saders!! Go SBW!!!

      Brannas - 2011-06-06 07:41

      BlahBlah Blah, SAFFA is on the roll this morning.

      Paul - 2011-06-06 07:50

      WELL SAID F!@# all off these bad losers .....sharkies het gat geskop... die cheetah sin!!!!!! haha

      ZAPMAN - 2011-06-06 07:56

      Maybe because Bulls Supporters do not give a sh-t about the Stormers and Support any team but the Chokers from the Cape

      Dolittle - 2011-06-06 08:06

      it seems like you have unresolved issues that you need to get sorted, something like Shabir Shaik. Stay focused, get counseling. I am watching you! Just for the record did you actually watch the Bulls & Tahs game? Joubert let the Tahs get away with murder and in the process cost the Bulls 2 points, instead of being 4 points up on the Tahs, the Bulls only have 2. Rugby was the big loser in the match between the Sharks & Cheetah's. How you can justify the ref's witchcraft because of so-called incidents that happened in previous games borders on the ridiculous. I believe that in your sub-conscious you are scared to the bone that your beloved Sharks is going to loose AGAIN against the Bulls, hence the tirade and girlish behavior.

      molefeP - 2011-06-06 08:08

      @SAFFA, this is a bit unfair. Just look back at my posts and you will see that I have been one of the most vocal about the bad qaulity of the referees. Not only now, but since forever! Been called all kinds of names for it, but bad refereeing will always be bad refereeing. What makes it worse is that these people are SUPPOSED to be professionals.

      molefeP - 2011-06-06 08:13

      PS, I have been complaining about Jonker, Joubert, Caplan, Brown and Walsh since last year! And I can quote many more instances than those that you quote. You of all people knows better, than to make this a provincial thing. RUGBY suffers from this blatant incompetancy. Not only one Province. Tell me honestly, did you think that the Referee was fair? Well, the only way to fix it is for the supporters to keep baying at the Referees Council UNTIL they start censuring these people.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 08:15

      @Dolittle - you are obviously not getting what I am saying. There has been SHOCKING refereeing ALL season...teams have been robbed, won unfairly, and 'reffed to wins' since the 1st round. Both in SA and on the islands. Very little noise has been made about that, in fact most folk have brushed it off as "sour grapes". NOW after Saturday's game, the sluice gates have opened with a "peoples revolt". What made Saturdays game ANY different from many of the other JOKES for games we have witnessed thus far? Why only NOW the outrage? Why no outrage when other teams have been robbed? Very interesting behaviour thats all...which makes one wonder what the motivation is behind this SUDDEN outrage? Jonker was the bees knees for the Bulls last year - now their fans want him crucified? Interesting. And NO, I am not a Sharks fan, I am a Stormer fan, so I had NO vested interest in the outcome either way - but I ask again - why only NOW is Jonker being questioned? He has been biased and k*k since he started......tsk tsk.

      Gotcha - 2011-06-06 08:55

      The Bulls supporters are outraged because they know their team won't make the playoffs after the Stormers thump them on Saturday, regardless of what happens in the final Sharks game.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 09:08

      @MolefeP - I know you have been vocal about the shoddy refereeing mate. You also know who I am referring to in these posts (The Effels, Brannas, Frikkie, Lloyd, Zapman of the world...they have been MOST vocal about this injustice, yet they have been silent for months....)

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-06-06 09:08

      SAFFA-CAT, and everytime you turn it around to where the Bulls are the culprits. How on earth did you get to this stage again today. I've read all the comments up to yours, they were definitely not Bulls-supporter comments. You are the disgrace!

      Damian@bulls - 2011-06-06 09:11

      Saffa Cat Jy maak my siek, jy het een moerse obsessie met die bulls en hulle fans. GET A LIFE , jy wat 'n stormer is moet eerder still bly, julle kla julle dood oor die ref as julle verloor, en stats pas julle net as dit in julle guns is.. Ons kon die wedstryd teen die cheethas verder gewen het, daar was vele beslissings in daai wedstryd wat teen ons gegan het! Ons is dan ook baie meer gestraf as die vrystaat. Jy kan ook geen ordentlike kommentaar oor rugby op die blogs los nie, al wat jy doen is om die bulls spelers en fans persoonlike aan te val omdat jy eientelik moerse kwaad vir jou eie span is wat nie die vermoe tot dusver gewys het om op die regte tye goed op druk te reageer nie. Ek se tot dusver enige iets is moontlik dalk is die julle jaar wie weet. Die bulls het laas jaar geluk gehad ja, enige span het geluk een of ander tyd in so lang toernooi . Ons het tot dusver ook baie ongeluk gehad , Teen die highlanders is ons geroof en teen die force dit werk maar so. Mens moet aangaan. . en asseblief kry die gedagte dat kaapenare beter as die mense van die noorde is uit jou kop uit. Daar is duisende kaapenare wat bulle is en so ok duisende ouens van die noorde van stormers is. Ek word baie kwaad as mense so persoonlik raak en ander mense wil klasifiseer oor die span vir wie hulle skreeu, wie gee jou die reg. Hoekom kan jy en baie mense soos watalife en gang nie ander mense respekteer en hulle opinies nie. net so die ander bulle daar buite wat dieselfde doen.

      Dolittle - 2011-06-06 09:17

      @ Saffa-Cat, now that you have come clean as to whom you support it is as clear as mud why you are trying to defend the indefensible! Two wrongs do not make a right. I believe you have selective amnesia, many blogs & comments has been made about the poor & pathetic officialdom this season & past seasons. The only reason why you are all of a sudden been ripped out of your sleep is because of your intense hatred for the men in blue. Nothing would give you greater pleasure than them not making the play-offs. How does it go again, a enemy of an enemy of mine is a friend of mine! I actually would love the Stormers to come 1st, have a week off and then have to play the Bulls, just to be knocked out of the competition again, and the match winning try should be scored in injury time with a 5 meter forward pass. I would love to see Schalla & your comments afterwards. You Stormers are renowned for your bad sportsmanship, always the 1st to start the blame game, it is never your fault for loosing. Practice what you preach and accept it on the chin when you are robbed of your glory by an incompetent official. I also will be watching these blogs for your comments blasting the Stormers coaching staff & players when they start pointing fingers to the match officials.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 09:45

      @Damian - Just don't puke on your jean pant.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 10:08

      @Dolittle and Damian - You chaps just don't get it. Everyone moans and whinges about the refs......but ONLY when it suits his/her teams cause. THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO SAY. How thick are you people?

      Damian@bulls - 2011-06-06 10:57

      @ saffa cat Is dit jy antwoord op wat ek geskryf het?...lol!!!!!!!! ek moet nie kots nie???? nee wat dankie dis 'n ou wp habit om te kots , ek sal nie dankie!!!!! FEITE Is julle bitch en moan oor refs al vir 12 jaar lank. Dis NOOIT julle skuld nie, altyd die ref. Schalk burger is mos 'n toonbeeld van sportmanskap of hoe saffa cart? Ek wil net graag weet hoe die wp met die meets geregistreerde klubs in die land , met maties , uct en die hele boland, wt paarl gym en boys high insluiit in 12 jaar nie 'n groot beker kan wen nie, verduidelik vir my hoekom? Verder gaan julle en koop groot name om julle span aan te vul ( ja ek weet almal doen nie) maar fs met julle bronne....... O dok danie craven wat een moerse hero in die kaap is ( Hy is 'n bul het jy dit geweet?!!! affies pretoria, en vir N. transvaal in ons eerste curriebeker gespeel) rus seker nie.

      Chronoman - 2011-06-06 11:04

      Saffa, you must distinguish between what could have been mistakes by the ref due to him not seeing what happened, him not being able to clearly judge whether or not a pass was forward etc. In the Cheetas match the errors were blatant. Jonker asking for a lineout to be repeated after a penalisable offense, Terblanche "tackling" the player without the ball in the last seconds right in front of Kaplan etc etc. This is not the first instance of this happening when the Cheetas were involved. Kaplan overlooked a huge forward pass and a knock-on which led to a try in the Currie Cup final against the Bulls a few years ago. The current outrage is based in people's perceptions of the degree to which the Cheetas were discriminated against.

      Damian@bulls - 2011-06-06 11:05

      @ saffa cat Nee saffa jy huil net as die bulls fans moan, dis wat jy se , jy is nie objektief nie. moenie dit nou kom draai nie!

      GraemeBB - 2011-06-06 11:16

      @Saffa - are you of the opinion that the Naka is wrong? I brought this subject up a while back, when my Bulls were getting the bad calls, and I was told that I was a bad sport and an idiot! I warned them that this will happen to them too, and it did. This weekend, the Sharks got away with an undeserved victory. Another ref would have hit them harder. The Huricanes scored from a blatant forward pass, and got a penalty with a similar pass. I am not sure about that headbutt at Loftus - what I can say is that he rammed his head into that loose, and no video evidence can prove Lokota was wrong iether. My general concern is that there are too many mistakes, and this issue will not die untill a better system is used. I think that the TV ref should advise the on-field ref more. But, this wil be hard to implement.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-06 11:50

      @Damian - Hellllllllllllo, vat jou linker hand en gee jouself 'n klap dat jy wakker word. Toe. Why are you not feeling sorry for the poor Waratahs chap who was given a red for no reason? I have yet to see ONE comment lambasting Pro Legoete - but thats cos it DIDN'T have any effect on your team......Get it? Did you chaps perform about the way in which the Lions were 'robbed' against the Canes? - NO. You haven't moaned about ANY bad reffing all season (most of you.....) Many of us have lambasted Jonker, Joubert, Legoete and Kaplan for YONKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS - yet were all called WHINGERS. So what changed on Saturday night for the many Bulls fans moaning about Jonker? Effel, Zapman, Marcell, Lloyd etc. THAT IS ALL I WANT TO KNOW......nee man, kla jouself sommer weer. @Graeme: anyone moaning about refs is called a whinger or sour loser - fact, even when it is OBVIOUS the ref was below par. All I am trying to say (breathe) is that WHY ONLY NOW are certain people ready to crucify Jonker, when he should have been tarred and feathered years ago? The Stormers have been at the rough end of his cr@p reffing for a while. There was no outcry then? The refs have been POOR all season.......most laughed when The Saders lost last week due to a Dickinson call. So WHY now the outrage? If you chaps STILL don't get the point I am trying to make, I give up.

      GraemeBB - 2011-06-06 12:08

      @SAFFA - it isnt that we dont get what you are saying, it is that we dont agree. What you are saying is that we too should keep quiet about the ref. Take what he hands out on the chin. I can only speak for myself, and the reffing has been an issue. One can accept a 50/50 call - but things are just going too far. Oh, and Pro's call for a headbutt. I saw O'Connor ram his head into ruck - perhaps into a players face? No video evidence that proves differently. It was thrown out because the video evidence was unclear. O'Connor didnt argued he was innocent, but rather asked "please", not to get red-carded. I believe that the tv ref should be able to talk to the on-field ref at all times, and assist where he sees things going wrong.

      Met Uysh! - 2011-06-06 14:58

      Agree Saffa. Jonker has been pathetic all season! He really looks like someone who is angry at the world for some reason. It might be that he didn't make the world cup, or it could be that his wife's panties are too tight for him. I don't know. I think I mentioned something about Jonker in my blogs at some stage. I think we get so used to bad refereeing and it being justified by the refereeing panels, that it gets so tiresome to complain about stuff we cannot change. Jonker was again pathetic on the weekend and I also question his call at the lineout where the Sharks transgressed twice but asked for the lineout to be done again. THe rest of the calls I cannot say whether he was biased against the Cheetahs, but he was pathetic both ways to be honest. Naka should tread carefully, Sanzar will be on his back about this.

  • Claude - 2011-06-06 07:18

    Jonker is turning into our Dickenson - he and the other officials in this match underline my contention that there is bias in refs from all countries. The subconsciously see what they want to see and marginal decisions go the way of this subconscious bias. With Jonker it seems not so marginal. There needs to be an open review system after a match where Referees get evaluated and too many matches with blatantly bad decisions or poor decisions and they get removed from the panel for the season.

      RugbyGirl - 2011-06-06 07:55

      There is a review system! Refs get feedback after every match form the Ref Panel! And as for being bias, how could Jonker have been bias if his "favourite" team was not even on the field...................

      Dolittle - 2011-06-06 08:14

      @ RugbyGirl, I think you are missing the point. The Brotherhood of refereeing is a closed shop! It is not about being bias, gambling could be the great motivator for these guys to ignore the rules, they have cart blanche to do what ever they want and get away with it 10 out of the 10 times, so why would they not be tempted to influence games to their financial benefit.

  • !!Vrystaat!! - 2011-06-06 07:23

    If you want to moan about the ref of the Super games . Then let the idiots running it now at there website http://www.superrugby.com/ContactUs.aspx Time they realize supporters dont really like watching bad rugby thanks to refs

  • bigguy - 2011-06-06 07:24

    It was more like Match Fixing

  • bigguy - 2011-06-06 07:25

    It looks to me more like Match Fixing

      Ockert - 2011-06-06 08:07

      They should be investigated by SARU - and an independant say Government body (Hawks), they might just be involved in Match Fixing. This should become a major issue, that needs urgent clarification.

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-06-06 08:27

      Just like the players, the refs need our support. Yes, they miss things. That's not the point here. The issue here is that the tech is available for them to use. As passionate fans we should encourage the administrators to encourage this for the better of the game.

      Janco - 2011-06-06 15:04

      Just a question, has anyone actually stopped and though of what would have happened if the Cheetahs won??? In the bigger picture, and I'm a very big Cheetah fan, I think this was a case of taking one for the team, well in this case country. My personal opinion, I'm going to get nailed for this, is that the Cheetahs threw the game in order to give the sharks a better chance to reach the play-offs .... the more SA teams we have in the playoff, the bigger the chance that a SA team wins again. If you look at the 1st half, the Cheetahs outplayed the Sharks and in the 2nd half it seemed that they stopped playing - please don't contribute this to the Sharks palying better because that was not the case. As I said, Cheetahs had and still does not have any chance of reaching the playoffs thus losing to a SA team that still has a chance ....... kinda makes sense at the end of the day.

  • brinjal - 2011-06-06 07:34

    The favorite SA passtime, bitching about the Ref/Officials, the Sharks were the better team, 1st half score showed that, all that possession & territory without managing to score much.

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-06-06 09:21

      This is what Naka does after his team lose - complain about the match officials. Year in and year out. He loves the "Poor Cheetah"-mentality.

      Dolittle - 2011-06-06 09:23

      do you understand or know the rugby rules? How is the opposition supposed to cross the line if support players are tackled of the ball, when jumpers are attacked in the air, if off side lines are not respected? Be fair! If you live by the sword you will die by the sword. Wrong is wrong and that should be respected! The rules have to be applied consistently, otherwise why bother.

      Snoek - 2011-06-06 09:47

      Did you watch the same game as the rest of us? The Sharks were outplayed.

      Travis - 2011-06-06 10:14

      The Sharks were not outplayed, Snoek. Stop moaning. There were errors, and indiscretions on both sides, but it was not unfair. The Cheetahs would have won if they had outplayed the Sharks, or if they could finish off the opportunities that they were given. They did neither, and give up with the perennial moaning. It seems like a South African pastime to moan about their lot all the time. The best thing to do is to win the game on the score-board, to take out any chance of unhappiness, like the Stormers and the Bulls did to the Sharks. I for one am glad that the Sharks won.

      Bruce - 2011-06-06 10:56

      I am a Sharks supporter but I feel sorry for the Cheetahs and their supporters, they were robbed, even though the win wouldnt get them a spot in the play-offs they were still playing for pride and to prove they are a good rugby team. I wanted the Sharks to win but not like that, that was just dirty and deliberate foul play from the Sharks. At least the Cheetahs will get a chance to set things straight in the Currie Cup, watch out for them! Sharks all the way!!

  • molefeP - 2011-06-06 07:41

    I agree with Mr. Drotske. The qaulity of the referees was absolutely shocking. Long past time for the referees to be censured for their blatant mistakes. Fine the idiots! They are SUPPOSED to be professionals.

  • Sarge - 2011-06-06 07:51

    Boo Hoo, Sour grapes I say.

  • Barry Richardson - 2011-06-06 07:51

    I'm a Sharks fan and was astounded by the lack of cards earlier in the game. I felt that whenever Kaplan or Lawrence reffed a Sharks game, the dodgy calls go against them. In this case the Cheetahs were on the receiving end and played the better rugby to be honest. Reading the comments below got me thinking that isn't it time to simplify the rules of the game. The ref's are human and yet they have to analyse 10,000,000 rules in a split second. Bring in more technology even if it slows the game down - take American Football, some yellow hanky gets thrown down on an infringement, a decision is made in 30 seconds and the game continues (at it's own pace mind you). Rugby should be a simple game where a ruck can form and both teams can compete fairly for the ball (see line outs, mauls etc for same reasoning)

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-06-06 07:52

    Marius Jonker this past Saturday and Mark Lawrence the previous Saturday robbed the Cheetas. They were worst that the one eyed Australian and NZ refs.

  • Chris le Roux - 2011-06-06 07:52

    Yes I think match fixing is part of Rugby esp now that there are 3 SA teams in the top 6. Talk of the goverment what about RUGBY. A stop street is a stop not a slow down. Do it right rule are rule and not for the ref to

  • ZAPMAN - 2011-06-06 07:57

    Marius Plonker ,maybe you should go back as a security gaurd to Bell Richards Bay

  • JJRR - 2011-06-06 07:58

    Julle sal agterkom net 2 SA teams moan nie! Die WP en Natal, waarom? Want hulle mag omkant speel, rol nie weg nie en speel vuil. Glo my hulle gaan nou weer comment dat dit nie so is nie! Julle kan se wat julle wil, die refs is blind as dit by julle kom, wil seker ook he dat julle darm n beker wen in so 30 jaar!!

  • Sarge - 2011-06-06 07:58

    Boo hoo, sour grapes I say.

  • PCDP - 2011-06-06 08:02

    I feel sorry for the Vrystaat boys as they were the better team on the field. I must just say that the Brumbies had a great game as well.

  • Ockert - 2011-06-06 08:08

    Maybe rugby should be investigated.

  • geoffrey.stokker - 2011-06-06 08:11

    Such sour grapes Naka. Mistakes were made both ways. Who knows what would have happened if all the incidents had been penalised?

  • John - 2011-06-06 08:13

    I'm just glad I'm not the only one who thought the ref was diabolical. I think Jonker has made it rather obvious over a number of years that he wears shark sunglasses in his spare time. The Sharks remain the dirtiest side in SA. I guess that is because they get away with it all the time.

  • Travis - 2011-06-06 08:14

    Get a grip, people. By the sounds of things there was murder most foul on the rugby field...that has gone unpunished. Rubbish. It was a decent affair, and there are fingers that can be pointed in both directions. I watched the game, and I have to say that I was perplexed by the "do the line-out over" call where there were two infringements by the Sharks. Get over yourselves. Naka starting to sound like he left his dummy at home!

      Will - 2011-06-06 11:11

      Shark supporter Travis? You obvously don't know rugby. This is not about the Cheetahs or the Sharks. This is about a ref that did not know what the hell he was doing on a rugby field. One team decided to commit professional foals (standing offside and slapping the ball out of the scrumhalf's hands, tackling the player and killing the ball 5 meters from the line (this one Jonker got, unfortunately not the number for the bin - WTF is he doing on the field), taking runners out without the ball, etc. etc.), one after the other and was not punished for it. The other team played by the rules, and did not get the beniefit for it. A joke!

  • Hendrik - 2011-06-06 08:15

    The best example of the circus was when the Sharks made two offences in the lineout in front of Jonker, and Jonker said: two offences, lets do that over. WHAT?? since when are penalties handled like that?? just do it over?? So he admits there must be a penalty, but he do not want to give it

  • Mark L - 2011-06-06 08:34

    There is not one person who has commented here that can say their team has never benefited from poor referee decisions. I agree that it is not correct, but the Sharks have also been on the wrong side of this many times - a certain S14 final comes to mind where the winning try was scored from a forward pass. Yes, there were a number of transgressions from the Sharks that were not picked up by either ref, but go watch the game again and you will see that there were also a number of Cheetahs transgressions not picked up. This happens in every match and on the day the Sharks got the benefit of the dodgy calls; tomorrow it will be the Cheetahs, the next day the Bulls and so on. And to all those who start their comments with “I am not a cheetah fan" - this is a feeble attempt to prove to us that your comments are unbiased. You are either peed off that the Sharks won or you are indeed a Cheetahs supporter.

  • VanBabs - 2011-06-06 08:43

    Let us utilise this recurring topic. Create/establish a panel to evaluate the ajudication of games, especially the make or brake ones. Even if we cannot change the outcome, at least the reffs might begin to be more dedicated and impartial.

  • Blouste-Blou - 2011-06-06 08:49

    Naka ALWAYS moans about the officials when the Cheetahs lose. Next we are going to see video clips on all the webs of how the Cheetahs were done in

  • Jehane - 2011-06-06 08:59

    Dit is swak. Kan hulle die skeidsregters nie maar ook voor 'n tug kommittee kry en ook vir 'n wedstryd of 2 skors as hulle so swak blaas nie. Kom aan mense, dit gaan nie oor wie wen en wie verloor nie maar oor REGVERDIGE beslissings!!!

  • jjtoppie - 2011-06-06 09:03

    This was DAYLIGHT ROBERY !!!! Damn the play-offs, if a team is good enough, they will be there - don't buy refs to swing the games for you !!! ( Sorry, did I say buy, I ment BRIBE !!!! )

  • JMGBAY - 2011-06-06 09:03

    I would like to complain about the standard of referees in the Super 15 this year, I am appalled and shocked at how refs seem to dictate the outcome of a game week after week and blatantly ignore what is going on around them to favour the outcome they so dearly want. Firstly why should we have Jonker as the ref and Kaplan as a touch judge in a game between the Sharks and Cheetahs when both are from Natal??? Does that make sense?? Shouldn’t it be a neutral ref that has no vested interest in the outcome of a game, but for the game itself to be a spectacle and free of bias? I am a Stormer and was trying to teach my little boy of 6 the rules and beauty of our game, but how could I when Jonker and Kaplan made a mockery of the rules of rugby. I pay my DSTV subscription every month and deserve a fair game that I am paying for, maybe we South African’s should boycott the Super season as refs from Australia are probably the worst and then how could we not mention Mr Pollock who shouldn’t even be officiating in under 7 rugby.

  • rugby_guru - 2011-06-06 09:12

    Shame lets cry Cheetahs, the only time you good at anything is making the rest of the country that has a chance at the title hopes run dry...

  • Davey - 2011-06-06 09:12

    I'm a Stormers supporter but I have to agree with Naka. Only Pro Legoete is worse than Marius Jonker. The Cheetahs were victims of bad referee decisions in games against the Bulls and the Sharks. Pretty bad luck for them this year. The Stormers were robbed of a victory against the Crusaders by Chris Pollock when a clear try was disallowed. But they were lucky in their game against the Blues when a poor referee decision helped them win the match. Overall the standard of refereeing is pretty dismal, but I think the Cheetahs suffered more than most teams. It seems it is always the Top Guns that benefit from poor refereeing. WTF! Why does Jonker blow the whistle before Strauss places the ball? I also thought that was a try.

  • Say-my-say - 2011-06-06 09:19

    And that's why the south african refs did not make the wolrd cup......

  • maree.bester - 2011-06-06 09:22

    ag all BS sour sour sour because his team could not close out the game yes there were incidents make no mistake but the same went on the other way....... how many times did the CHEETAHS slow the ball down illegally. stop moaning and get on with it you win two or three games more than ever now you think you have a say in everything. get over yourself you should have been fired three seasons ago NAKA.

  • Werner - 2011-06-06 09:25

    I think the most worrying factor, is that we're prone to do two things under pressure: 1. Completely lose discipline 2. Bitch and Moan

  • thumper - 2011-06-06 09:45

    I've said it before and I'll say it again. Craig Joubert and Marius Plonker are a disgrace. However, the most useless BEE appointed ref is Pro Legoete!! Head Butt - red card?! Err Umm eish...ja ok??

  • clivegoss - 2011-06-06 09:47

    Vrystaat got shagged by the best refs in the country having a terrible evening. Sad

  • Big G - 2011-06-06 09:53

    Paul .. "Take it like a man" - and then you add the word Sharkies" .. Wanker .. you are a typical Shark supporter with no rugby brain just a black and white shirt and you probably sing that "We are black we are white - wank off song" .. the ref was Marius Jonker .. name and shame .. it was disgusting .. sad day for rugby ..

  • kosie - 2011-06-06 09:55

    marius jonker should be down graded to varsity cup level.. and i'm a shark supporter

  • Devon - 2011-06-06 09:58

    Yes Naka... And no doubt the ref MADE you miss the tackles that led to Lwaz Mvovo's try...and not to mention how the ref MADE your guys tap and go when there was plenty of time left and 3 points on offer... Oh the tragedy of it all!!!! Grow up man...