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Lions unfazed by dreaded drop

2012-04-11 16:18

Johannesburg - The Lions are unrattled by the danger of losing their Super Rugby slot to make way for the Southern Kings in next year’s competition.

"It is a valid question, but that is not our game plan," coach John Mitchell told reporters here on Wednesday.

"That is the administrators' game plan to play and they obviously have to be clever and play that smart."

The Southern Kings are the only confirmed team for the 2013 competition, while the other four South African places have yet to be determined.

The SA Rugby Union (SARU) and a delegation are due to have a meeting with SANZAR partners, Australia and New Zealand, to have discussions on a possible expansion of the competition.

If SARU fails to come to an agreement with SANZAR, the remaining spot in the South African conference is likely to be decided by relegation.

With the Lions at the bottom of the Super Rugby log at this early stage of the competition they are in serious jeopardy of losing their spot, if they do not turn the tables soon.

"At the end of the day, all we have to do is continue to progress as an inexperienced Super Rugby side, so that is the only thing we can control," said Mitchell.

"I don’t get involved in that stuff and it is certainly not part of our motivation, and as far I as am concerned it is negative motivation if you want to get into survival mode.

"I have never had that philosophy and I never will; this side will continue to be ambitious and will look to grow."

Meanwhile, Mitchell made six changes to his Super Rugby starting XV to play the Bulls at Coca-Cola Park on Saturday.

Fullback Jaco Taute will move to outside centre in the place of Butch James, who moves to the bench with Andries Coetzee shifting from wing to fullback.

Coetzee’s position will be filled by James Kamana, while Stephan Greeff will receive a starting berth at lock where he will replace the injured Paul Willemse.

The other change to the forwards sees Callie Visage replacing Martin Bezuidenhout at hooker, who will join the replacements.

Prop CJ van der Linde, who is bracketed with Jacobie Adriaanse on the bench, needs to pass a late fitness test.

Mitchell said his charges still needed to learn about team work and patience after their 25-6 loss to the Cheetahs last weekend.

"Unfortunately we have a group that has an average of 1.36 Super Rugby season average per person," said Mitchell.

"We have 11 guys playing their first campaign, six playing their second and three guys playing their third.

"So whether people like it or not, you have to be patient with this group because they are inexperienced."

Teams:

Lions:

15 Andries Coetzee, 14 Deon van Rensburg, 13 Jaco Taute, 12 Alwyn Hollenbach, 11 James Kamana, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Tian Meyer, 8 Joshua Strauss (captain), 7 Derick Minnie, 6 Cobus Grobbelaar, 5 Franco van der Merwe, 4 Stephan Greeff, 3 Patric Cilliers, 2 Callie Visagie, 1 Caylib Oosthuizen.

Substitutes: 16 Martin Bezuidenhout, 17 Jacobie Adriaanse / CJ van der Linde, 18 Marius Coetzer, 19 Christo le Roux, 20 Ross Cronje, 21 Butch James, 22 Lionel Mapoe.

Bulls:

15 Zane Kirchner, 14 Akona Ndungane, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Wynand Olivier, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morné Steyn, 9 Francois Hougaard, 8 Pierre Spies (captain), 7 Jacques Potgieter, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Wilhelm Steenkamp, 4 Flip van der Merwe, 3 Werner Kruger, 2 Chiliboy Ralepelle, 1 Dean Greyling

Substitutes: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Frik Kirsten, 18 Juandre Kruger, 19 Arno Botha, 20 Jano Vermaak, 21 Louis Fouché, 22 Johann Sadie

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Comments
  • Ruan - 2012-04-11 16:27

    Oh i feel sorry for the lions!!

      Barden - 2012-04-11 16:48

      Moet nooit n team soos di lions af skryf nie onthou is derby ek is n (bulls fan)

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 16:52

      Just MERGE the lions and sharks to make way for the Kings in 2013. That way everyone gets to play and the two worst performing SA teams, lions and sharks, can try be stronger together in 2013. I'm all for the MERGER !!! Can somebody say, " GOLDEN GUPPIES" !!!???

      Ruan - 2012-04-11 18:32

      Once again the bone heads are out to play, Kings will keep the Lions out of Super Rugby after the two years of being in. They will build a better team in 2 years than the lions have in the last 10. By the way Ep was rated the top sport fanatic province in the country, so they'll have the support. Also PE was the spot where the athem was also sung the loudest in recorded history, and that is all 3 verses.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 19:44

      The lions and sharks must MERGE !!! They trade/steal enough of each others' players every second year anyway ... The Golden Guppies The Clawless Catfish The Tiger Sharks ??? It makes perfect sense. MERGE the lions with sharks and resolve all SAs rugby problems.

      Hallo - 2012-04-11 20:28

      As a Lions fan I think that they should be to be relegated next year so that they can be forced to get their house in order. The franchise as a whole is one big mess.

      Tokolos - 2012-04-12 02:32

      Charles Dumbest on earth You are really boring. Why do you have to say the same words on every blog? Looking for attention? Tokolos have read on maybe 4 blogs already that you say the same thing over and over again. Come up with something new please. You are really innovative. If you look up the word "moron" in the dictionary there is no explanation next to it, just a photo of you! From, Tokolos

      Pierre - 2012-04-12 08:27

      OMG really, Charles you are an idiot... Firstly, the Lions and cheetahs are the two teams who have the most players TAKEN from them. Secondly, Sharks are not one of the worst teams. Thirdly, Kings will NEVER be a team to be reckoned with in Super Rugby, they will be the whipping boys always loosing with more than 50 points to all teams no matter how many supporters they have or how loud they sing the anthem. The only chance in hell the have is to buy the best players from around the country...

      grenville.felton - 2012-04-12 08:32

      CATS will come alive once again

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 11:08

      @ Pierre, what makes you say the Kings will never be a team to be reckoned with? If they have the right structures in place, a good academy, good coaching and money they can be just as good as the other 4 If all the players who were brought up in the region came back they would be a force

  • theuns.pretorius - 2012-04-11 16:28

    don't worry, Lions: whoever gets kicked off the super 15 will play again in 2014 - this is because the super kings will not win a single game in 2013... in fact... expect some record scores against them.

      Nicholas - 2012-04-11 16:36

      Getting smashed every game will be great for the players' confidence in the Super Kings ...I wonder what the politicians will say at the end of next years competition?

      Colin - 2012-04-11 16:38

      Yip , you are right. The Kings will not even win the Vodacom Cup. So I guess that SARU would think twice before they make a mockery of South African Rugby.

      Reghardt - 2012-04-11 16:42

      Kings will have it for two years not one...

      theuns.pretorius - 2012-04-11 16:46

      Reghart: I didn't know that. So in theory another team could get relegated in 2014 to give the kings a second chance? That's just stupid...

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 16:55

      @Colin - those players not part of next year's Super15, will be available for the Kings to be selected. I see a mass exodus of star players from lions and sharks to join the Kings for the next few years.

      Dezhark - 2012-04-11 16:56

      I agree, already an embarassment by means of political inclcusion. I predict record scores as well. But what happened about a boycott?? Would love to see the Sharks playing in the Heyneken cup...

      Nico - 2012-04-11 17:03

      @Charles - you just prove you deserve your surname, the same star players that will flock to your little inconsequential union is the same star players at the bottom of the log at this stage, hahahahaha. and then you disprove your whole principle of you being the union with lots of talent, cause they will all be imported really then there is no reason to even bother putting the political queens in super rugby :)

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-11 17:08

      Not sure whose posts are dummer..Theuns or Dumbwin Colin the Southern Kings are not playing in the Vodacom Cup so how can they win in?? The Lions will be the last team to be relegated if it happens, there wont be anymore relegation going forward. If the Lions get relegated then we may as well say good bye to the Union It will have to be a merger of some kind which can only happen between the Lions/Bulls or Lions/Cheetahs

      christian.denyschen - 2012-04-11 17:57

      look at the bright side, the teams that stays on will be assured 10 points with this crap format of playing all the derby's. sorry for the team that gets relegated if it happens. blou bul groete!

      Ruan - 2012-04-11 18:26

      Yes, like the lions did last year!!! They were bottom of the log.

      fahdiel.agherdien - 2012-04-11 20:27

      2008 - Position 14th - Lions 2009 - Position 12th - Lions 2010 - Position 14th - Lions 2011 - Position 14th - Lions Most points conceded in a season: 585 – Lions, 2010 Most consecutive losses in a season: 13 losses – Lions, 2010 Most consecutive losses: 17 losses – Lions, 15 May 2009 to 12 March 2011 Largest points difference conceded in a season: 315 – Lions, 2010

      Guy - 2012-04-12 07:54

      The highest the Lions have ended a season in the last 10 years is 11th (Super 12 2002), picking up the wooden spoon 5 times in that period, ending second-last 4 times and ending third-last once. How much more embarassing can the Kings possibly be?

      Johan - 2012-04-12 09:06

      Guy the highest the kings have ended in the currie cup the last 5 years is... oh ... wait, they are not even good enough to get into that...

      Nicholas - 2012-04-12 09:52

      are we forgetting the sharks entered into the tournament in the same way , and once they got in , got money thrown at them , and bought the players to make them a decent franchise , and at least the kings have financial backing , the lions are BROKE !!!!

  • Haha - 2012-04-11 16:34

    I bet that the team at the bottom of the 2013 Super Rugby log will be the Southern Kings.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 16:53

      Rubbish man, EP rugby is strong and rich in SA Rugby history and players!!! Golden Guppies will finish last in 2013 !!!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-11 17:10

      I will have to agree, it will take the Kings a few years to start winning and when they do I can see them in the top 3 in the SA conference

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 19:44

      The lions and sharks must MERGE !!! They trade/steal enough of each others' players every second year anyway ... The Golden Guppies The Clawless Catfish The Tiger Sharks ??? It makes perfect sense. MERGE the lions with sharks and resolve all SAs rugby problems.

      Marius - 2012-04-11 20:50

      @ Haha. If it does happen and am not saying that it will, how will that be any worse than the Lions record in Super Rugby over the last 10 years.

      Johan - 2012-04-12 09:02

      Has the eastern province ever produced a world cup winning coach? Beaten international teams? won any silverware of significance? no... the lions have though..

      Johan - 2012-04-12 11:13

      Blue raven Jake White is from Jozi ....

  • Colin - 2012-04-11 16:36

    Who cares about relegation. The season is still at its early stages. Who know where the South African sides will end up. Someone has to loose and the other win. Lets see at the end of the campaign, then I guess a lot of mouth's will be shut as it seems that the comments below know their rugby and not just writing because they are just not fans of the Lions. Lions Fan of Note !!!!!!!!!!

      theuns.pretorius - 2012-04-11 16:38

      a super rugby without the lions does not seem right.... but the cheetahs certainly don't deserve to be knocked off either..... who do you drop? The whole super kings idea is stupid. but in the meantime.... GO STOOORMEEERS!!!!

      Lionel - 2012-04-11 16:48

      Oh really@Raven What about the Bulls/Lions merging:):)I think that will be on the cards,actually makes perfect sense,travelling wont be a problem:):):)

      Bootman - 2012-04-11 17:11

      Raven are you suggesting the best performing team in, not only the SA conference, but the entire competition be relegated????? I think the Bulls should go. They are just like the Kings anyway..........no home grown talent. Just a bunch of hired guns.

      Stirrer - 2012-04-12 14:12

      @BlueRaven - "We do not need two Cape based teams" - what a dumb comment, it's like saying we don't need two Transvaal based teams, so the Bulls should go. To further your education: Cape Town and Port Elizabeth are 800km apart, whereas Jozi and Pretoria are a mere 60km apart. It makes no sense to have two teams based so close together!

  • Nico - 2012-04-11 16:53

    still don't think that kings will play next year, the whole thing is pending SANZAR approval, and I can't see them giving their approval. if i'm wrong, saving a whole year of dstv subscriptions won't be bad either :)

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-11 17:12

      It's got nothing to do with SANZAR, SARU have already made their decision. The Southern Kings are the only team confirmed for next year. It's up to SANZAR to decide if they will allow another team which will not happen until 2015 where I can see the comp changed to 20 teams

      Nico - 2012-04-11 17:32

      So you really think the guys that paid us$400 for the TV rights got no say whatsoever in which teams play?? and you really think they are not also part of the SANZAR deal?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 11:15

      I bet SANZAR will be more in favour of a new team in a new region than what has been happening in and around Ellis Park the last few years. Sure all the players feel the same, most prob spend their time locked away in their hotel rooms before and after the games. The Southern Kings will be a breath of fresh air to the Super 15, and I can see them becoming a well represented team who will surprise a few on the field

  • Johan - 2012-04-11 16:55

    who wrote this... there has been no official mention of knock outs, drop outs or relegation. Think somebody is just trying to stir up some poo... if you know what i mean.

      Bootman - 2012-04-11 17:12

      Johan please draw Raven a picture and email it to him.

      Johan - 2012-04-12 08:58

      What? He can just put a spoon in his mouth and look at the mirror.

      Johan - 2012-04-12 11:17

      Mate there's an old saying, don't count your chickens before they have hatched, and you are counting chickens...

      Johan - 2012-04-12 12:02

      BlueRaven I have been paying attention and how appropriate it is that your name is a work of fiction, for it resembles the actual level of intelligence you poses. There is way more going on in the background than you know about and the decision is not all up to SARU, other wise it would have been finalised.

      Johan - 2012-04-12 12:58

      nope not even fiction would fill that void...

  • stivvler - 2012-04-11 17:40

    How about earning that spot instead of receiving it for free like everything else? Play a relegation match against the bottom team and if you beat them, then you can advance to the Super 15. They can even make it a 3 game series to promote their rugby and make some money for their union. The FNB varsity cup has relegation matches and if you dont prove yourself, you don't make the cut.

  • roan.murray - 2012-04-11 18:26

    It is an absolute JOKE that you have to even think of dropping the Lions for the Kings, it will be a disgrace and is simply wrong that this is busy happening. This will mean certain death to a union that is busy standing up out of the ashes.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 19:44

      The lions and sharks must MERGE !!! They trade/steal enough of each others' players every second year anyway ... The Golden Guppies The Clawless Catfish The Tiger Sharks ??? It makes perfect sense. MERGE the lions with sharks and resolve all SAs rugby problems.

  • Ken - 2012-04-11 19:40

    Hang in there Lions!...I love you and are proud of you, I also understand that you are young and inexperienced, but I will always support you and I know you'll be back to your best soon! Go Lions! Go Lions!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 20:08

      The lions are always 'young and inexperienced'. They 'rebuild' every year. PATHETIC EXCUSE !!! That old line has worn thin now !!!

      Ken - 2012-04-11 21:04

      @CharlesDumbwin We rebuild every year because the other franchises buy our best players year after year, we can't stop that right now because we can't afford to keep them, but that will change soon, take my word on that! I'm still proud to be a Lions supporter!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-11 21:09

      and how do you guys plan to stop the rot??? Lions should be relegated with the sharks back to Craven Week.

      Johan - 2012-04-12 08:59

      Charles mate so whats the kings excuse for never winning any major silverware?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 11:19

      @ Johan, where do I start. please play for EP we will pay you R20k a month ummm, no thanks the Bulls/Lions/WP/Lions/Cheetahs are offering R200k a month Pay me the same and I will stay

      Johan - 2012-04-12 13:22

      Patrick so how did the pumas, a team with less money and a smaller player base get to the currie cup ?

  • DonaldMahendo - 2012-04-11 20:24

    How about the Lionkings?

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 11:43

      What about this team? Southern Kings born and bred 1.Ryno Gerber 2.Bandisa Maku 3. Michael Coetzee 4.Daron Nel 5. Rory Duncan 6. Luke Watson/Siya Kolisi 7. Jacques Potgieter/Dewald Potgieter 8. Keegan Daniel/Ryan Kankovski 9. Rory Kockett/JP Joubert 10.Elton Jantjies 11. Lwazi Mvovo/JJ Engelbrecht/ Bjorn Basson 12.Time Whitehead 13.Zane Kirschner 14. Odwa/Akona Ndungane/Jongi Nokwe/Lionel Mapoe 15. Fabian Juries/Micheal Killian

  • Arthur - 2012-04-11 23:11

    the most hated team used to be the bulls (in a good way), I guess from now on its going to be the Kings

  • Riaan - 2012-04-12 06:35

    The EP Kings will be the new whipping boys of Super rugby. They should make the Lions look like superstars. A second rate (at best) curriecup team in the Super rugby tournament? Good luck suckers!

  • Dewald - 2012-04-12 08:27

    I remembered the Lions in 2006 saying that they have a 3 year plan to grow to an experianced team. It is now 5 years and you still have youngsters. Something seriously wrong upstairs! Just goes to show that the Lions can only win when the other teams are weakend by not having their Boks in the teams. Happend in 2007 too.

  • Raeez - 2012-04-12 08:40

    We've been hearing of "inexperienced side" since the days before Loffie Eloff. WHEN will we have an experienced side??? When the other franchises stop stealing our players maybe? or maybe never? Who knows... Still holding thumbs for the boys!

      Champ - 2012-04-12 16:48

      Other franchises Stealing players?? hahaha !!! This is a professional game boet. if you don't know what it means, google it.

  • Stephan - 2012-04-12 08:42

    Unfazed...really? Well if u win more games the administrators wouldn't have to be so smart(neva gona happen anyway...) So u beta get fazed and do better. I really enjoyed the Lions last year even if I'm a fan of theirs,but the fact is ,u loose u gona be gone...would be a shame.

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-12 09:41

    in a perfect world we should have a Gauteng team rather than the Bulls and the Lions and have the stadium in midrand 1)Dean Greyling 2)Rallapele 3)CJ Van der Linde 4)Flip 5)Juandre 6)Minnie 7)Strauss(c) 8)Spies 9)Frans 10)Elton 11)Basson 12)Butch 13)Sadie 14)Mapoe 15)Taute 16)Maku 17)Kruger 18)Vanheerden 19)CJ Stander 20)Bondesio 21)Morne 22)Zane

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 11:45

      Southern Kings born and bred 1.Ryno Gerber 2.Bandisa Maku 3. Michael Coetzee 4.Daron Nel 5. Rory Duncan 6. Luke Watson/Siya Kolisi 7. Jacques Potgieter/Dewald Potgieter 8. Keegan Daniel/Ryan Kankovski 9. Rory Kockett/JP Joubert 10.Elton Jantjies 11. Lwazi Mvovo/JJ Engelbrecht/ Bjorn Basson 12.Tim Whitehead 13.Zane Kirchner 14. Odwa/Akona Ndungane/Jongi Nokwe/Lionel Mapoe 15. Fabian Juries/Micheal Killian

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:07

      5 thumbs down and no explanation... show you guys have no come back as my point has value

      Nicholas - 2012-04-12 18:49

      it makes complete sense maaaan , theres so much talent coming out of the eastern cape being pillaged by the other franchises , os du randt even started out in the eastern cape and if we didnt end up in the free state he never wouldve been discovered as he says in his autobiography... and not just any talent . but good black talent

      Tokolos - 2012-04-12 23:38

      Patrick Charlize Theron comes from "die plotte" in Boksburg. What would Boksburg have done for her in her life if she stayed? Your argument is stupid! Looks like you are seeking attention here just like that idiot Crappants. Talk sense and don't just post stuff to see how many thumbs up you can get every time. Geeeeze man!

  • Rohann - 2012-04-12 12:07

    I still say keep everything at club level, it works in Europe, it works in soccer, why won't it work here? Play league format with nice prize money incentive so for example, if the Boland works very hard end finishes 3rd they wil earn more money than let's say Bulls and WP who finished lower. That way smaller clubs can afford keep their players. Also the top 5 teams in the league qualify to play SuperRugby. Also throw in a Knockout Cup where al the clubs in SA compete have a awesome run and reach maby even win the final. Its happend before in soccer just look at the FA cup.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 12:53

      so the richer clubs with better players receive more money? you cant make the best 5 teams represent SA in the Super 15 Currie Cup Squads are say 30 players Super Rugby Squads should be around 45 What happens to the extra 15 players on your books when you get relegated as you wont be able to afford them Also sponsors will only sign if promised longer deals in super rugby Cant compare this to the FA Cup, different sport, a first/second division team would get beaten 100 - 0 by a Super Rugby side

      Rohann - 2012-04-12 13:27

      Good point. Kirkland (can't remember his first name, use to coach Japan) actually suggested relegation/promotion superrugby and he even included the Japanese, Argentinian and south sea island teams. Anyhow, what about a Heineken cup format where the best teams from different countries compete in their respective leagues to qualify. My point is the lower clubs in SA got nothing to play for. I feel the players in lower tier teams only play and hope that the big unions snap them up. So I don't understand why people cry when they lose their best player. This wil never change and smaller teams will never gain anymore support cause the top 5 teams will dominate forever if the format is no changed IMHO.

  • Petrus - 2012-04-12 13:05

    I find it very amusing to see all the Southern Queen supporters trying to share their uneducated opinions. SARU and the government are pumping millions into this "franchise", yet they still can't win anything. What about a promotion/relegation game against the reigning Currie Cup champions at the end of the Super competition? ROAR MY CURRIE CUP CHAMPS, ROAR!!!!!

      Lance - 2012-04-12 14:42

      Exactly Petrus..Lol...you read my mind..or maybe I didnt read to the bottom of the page before posting ! Maybe somebody should start a FB page to garner support to have a Kings vs Lions game to finalise things..Im a Stormer so wont take it that far..May the best team get in !

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:04

      The Kings have been receiving money, about 10% of what the Lions make through TV rights... If you had a brain you would realise that you cant have promotion/relegation, seems like you have the uneducated opinion It works fine for Currie Cup first and second division as the amount of money the bottom/top team have are similiar but when it comes to a Super Rugby Franchise the monies are much higher.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:05

      @Lance...sure SARU will listen to your theory ......lol

      Lance - 2012-04-12 16:22

      Ok, you win Patrick..I almost forgot...he who holds most political power wins. Let the Kings prevail..

  • Lance - 2012-04-12 14:39

    Should'nt the Kings have to face off against the Lions first if they Lions end last ? I think that would be the ideal litmus test to see who really desrves a spot in the S15. The Lions would probably give the Kings a hiding, yet might have to exchange places with what is essentially a less competitive team..

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 15:59

      No Lance that is not how it works, how can you expect the Kings to beat the Lions. The Lions are a Super Rugby Franchise who have been given around R100 - R200m a year to make things happen and nothing has. Now the Southern Kings should put up a team to play them? Once the Southern Kings gets the Lions share then it will be an even field.

      Lance - 2012-04-12 16:20

      @ Patrick...Sorry about my democratic view that the best team should earn the right to represent itself at S15 level. No the Lions havent performed very well but if they are possibly better than the Kings then they can remain in the S15.Kings plays the SA S15 loser....fair is fair..But ofcourse opinions will differ.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:48

      unfortatuly a franchise system does not work like that Whoever gets the Franchise gets massive amounts of cash with it How can any team compete with a team with big money and a large squad No teams have a right to a Franchise The EC also deserves a chance The Lions/Cheetahs will only improve if the merge You are only as good as the amount of money you have and with Super Rugby comes mega money

  • Mark - 2012-04-12 15:28

    Kings cant even get into the Currie Cup premier division...Griquas have more of a right to join the S15 than these political pawns that call themselves a rugby union!

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 15:56

      dont you realise that SARU and the government want all regions to be represented in the Super 15 the EC have a large amount of top rugby players Just like they wanted Natal to be represented a few years ago and now the Sharks are a top 3 side Spreading Rugby to all regions will only improve the standard as a whole

      Mark - 2012-04-12 16:17

      Well then why dont they simply integrate some unions (eg Cheetahs & Lions=Cats), which will naturally strengthen SA rugby allowing better access to a greater player pool, rather than allowing a weaker side to replace one which has on occasion actually been quite competitive.

      patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:43

      Let them do that and then have a Franchise in the EC Dont you think this will help promote the game and keep all the local talent where they belong. Not sure why people keep writing off the EC as a rugby region

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-04-12 16:10

    The sooner there is an International Rugby Season the better Heineken Cup format with the South African teams joining the European Sides Nice breath of fresh air and no more dodgy kiwi/ozzie refs

  • Colin - 2012-04-13 16:33

    Patrickjasoncawood. The Kings are playing tonight in the Vodacom Cup at 19h10 againts SWD. Guess you know your stuff. Look at the Vodacom Cup Fixture ????????????????

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