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Lions hopeful to stay in S15

2012-05-28 22:13

Johannesburg - The Lions remain optimistic of retaining a place in the lucrative Super Rugby competition in 2013, and they have plenty of support, according to Golden Lions Rugby Union president Kevin de Klerk.

"I wish to again stress that myself, together with our CEO, Exco, equity partner and other stakeholders, are working extremely hard to ensure that the Lions remain in the competition in 2013 and beyond," De Klerk said in a statement on Monday.

With the Eastern Province Kings already awarded one of five available places in next season's SA conference, the SA Rugby Union (SARU) has yet to find a solution.

Super Rugby governing body SANZAR has made it clear there will be no space for another SA team in the competition until at least 2015.

De Klerk confirmed that proposals would be discussed at the SARU general council meeting in July.

"The history and the legacy of this great union is understood and appreciated by all in South Africa," De Klerk said.

"I am also very pleased to be receiving enormous support and encouragement in our endeavours to retain our status."

The Lions, who finished last in the SA conference in 2010 and 2011, are lying bottom of the table in the current Super Rugby campaign with only one win from 12 matches.

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Comments
  • whalied - 2012-05-28 22:56

    And Im hopeful of meeting the toothfairy soon... lolllll

      1amAlan - 2012-05-29 13:27

      I think that the Stormers should be relegated for the most boring gameplan in the history of the game.

  • CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-29 06:44

    Forget the brandy & coke park panelbeaters club. Bring on the Super Kings !!!

      Jed - 2012-05-29 07:46

      Charles there's nothing Super about them. Waste of space if you ask me. I for one will boo every time the Queens take the field.

      timothy.martin.9655 - 2012-05-29 07:56

      Bring on the Super Kings??? They can not even win the second tier competition, how the hell do you think they will compete in the toughest one in the world. It will be 60 to 70 points against them every game. Puke and Dad doing dirty work. They will destroy one of the oldest rugby franchises in the world. Idiots

      marius.olivier.7 - 2012-05-29 09:04

      At least get the name right. It is the Southern Kings, because of their geographical position in the country, not the Super Kings. The Super Kings is an Indian T20 cricket team in the IPL competition .

      Sean - 2012-05-29 09:59

      And Super the Kings most definitely are not!

  • hans.schouwstra.7 - 2012-05-29 06:46

    The history and legacy, for the Lions??? Eish not in super rugby guys!

      charl.koegelenberg - 2012-05-29 07:09

      thay have a proud history off finishing last

      David - 2012-05-29 07:26

      One of the two South African unions to have won a super rugby title!

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-29 07:36

      David, the inaugural super10 was not the restructured, professional, regional-type tournament that we've had since Super12. That lions teams was the core of the 95 RWC squad all playing for Ellis Park only. Since the format changed, the lions have never featured again in Super Rugby. Fact.

      Dewald - 2012-05-29 08:04

      The 95 W/C winning team was full of Lions. How many of EP was in any team since then! The Lions won the C-cup, and EP can't even qualify to play in the playoffs for the Vodacom cup. At least the Lions was competitive and stoping the other teams of getting bonus points.

      Louis - 2012-05-29 09:37

      Feeling dumbloss again this morning....jeez must be hard for Charly.

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 15:42

      @Dewald, since the South Eastern Cape didnt have a Super Rugby team, that's a wasted question to ask how many Sprinkboks come from their teams. From their region there is plenty, but they all went onto play for the franchises. The list is long and you should have heard it numerous time now already, but again just a few names to refresh your mind - Daniels, Basson, Kankowski, Watson, Kirchner, Potgieter, Kayser, Loubscher, Erasmus...

  • eonva - 2012-05-29 07:24

    And who do you guys think won the first super rugby tournament since South Africa's re-admittance in international rugby?? Lions are currently poor, but they were not always so...

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:18

      same can be said about EP rugby. They used to be among the top 5 or 6 teams, until they got the short end of the stick with Super Rugby

  • Popeye - 2012-05-29 07:25

    Watch out for the Kotzes from PE......

      timothy.martin.9655 - 2012-05-29 07:57

      They will need 15 Popeyes to prevent a massacre every game.

  • Nico - 2012-05-29 07:32

    Just make sure we have a promotion/relegation game after the queens has been in super rugby for a season Kevin, that will be the last they will play and we will be back in super rugby :)

      Sean - 2012-05-29 09:59

      Nico, the Kings are in until 2015. A while back there was a statement that the promotion/relegation game will be against the last SA side on the log EXCLUDING the Kings! This is SARU's next bombshell, probably get dropped after the July meeting where they will replace the Lions with the Kings in Super Rugby. At least we are still in the Currie Cup competition, I have a feeling we'll do well again this year.

      Nico - 2012-05-29 11:58

      @Sean, should have known the Queens will be protected, well, at least the extra two byes will be good news for our 4 super sides then :) also think we will have a good CC again, got a number of the injured players getting back, and the guys can refocus during the international window, use the remaining super rugby to get ready for CC.

  • kevin.maloney2 - 2012-05-29 07:33

    My personal opinion would be for them to have 2 play-off matches, home and away and see who the better team is ... quite simple actually. Bringing in a worse team than the Lions is going to be to the detriment of the competition. If I was a New Zealander or an Aussie I'd be smiling ... more away points and bonus points.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-05-29 07:44

      Could you be any worse than the Lions? Your opinion won't change the outcome I'm afraid. The Super Kings are in, someone is out - bottom line. Super Kings are guaranteed one of the franchise spots for the next 2 years. They are in, just accept it and move on.

      Nico - 2012-05-29 08:38

      @Charles, you are right, i've accepted it, and actually i'm now looking forward to it. for the next two years, teams will have an extra bye, sa teams will have two extra's, they will send in their c-sides, and still put 50 points past the queens. at the end of the two years, after the queens took over ALL the negative records held by the Lions, they will be relegated and will disapear again into obscurity in the second division, where they actually belong. but it is not all bad :) at least you guys have made sure that there will be promotion/relegation going forward, so teams like the griquas, pumas, boland, leapards, well, almost all sa teams EXCEPT the queens, have something to play for and will be part of super rugby at some point in the future, and deservedly so :)

      Sean - 2012-05-29 10:05

      @Kevin, you wouldn't be smiling if you were a NZ or Aus side. Remember that you get a bye against one side in each of the opposing conferences. So one NZ side and one Aus side will not play the Kings each season. That means no win/bonus points. However each SA side plays the Kings twice! So while your side misses out, the next lowest ranked SA side is assured 9, probably 10 points in that season. There will be an outcry from across the ocean next year, mark my words. At the moment they just don't see the issues.

  • faannagel - 2012-05-29 07:42

    Only time they were worth talking about, when they bought nearly all the Blue bull players and Kitch Cristie..!!

      wanderering.wanderer - 2012-05-29 11:55

      For your information the Bulls actually refused to use Kitch and the Lions took the chance, and the rest is history.

  • Paul - 2012-05-29 08:19

    Rather them than the EP Kings, lets be fair and let Lions and Kings have play off and winner goes to Super Rugby in 2013, I dont think Kings will even survive the Varsity Cup matches against either TUKS, Maties or UCT?

      Luke - 2012-05-29 10:15

      shows your rugby intelligence Lets see how the EP Kings do in the Currie Cup, 1/3 of the Southern Kings outfit did you watch this years Varsity Cup? The Madiba's even beat UCT

      Sean - 2012-05-29 11:32

      Luke, that would be the second tier of the Currie Cup! Paul, UCT were very bad this year!!!

      Rey - 2012-05-29 18:54

      Luke, Pukke and UJ are both inside Lions borders... and both ended above the madiba's.

  • Neil - 2012-05-29 08:21

    Some say the Spears will finish last when they join the S15, so what's the difference as the Lions have also finished last in 2010, 2011 and again this year. Go the CHEETAHS

      Sean - 2012-05-29 10:06

      Careful Neil, that "Cats" merger is still one of the options being discussed!!!

      Rey - 2012-05-29 18:58

      The difference is that the lions actually won a game. Kings will NEVER win. And if I remember correctly, the win was against the Cheetahs... before the injury crysis. And talking about that Cheetahs game, where the hell is Wikus van Heerden?

      rey.spies - 2012-05-29 20:17

      crisis... not crysis

  • mokgoga - 2012-05-29 08:32

    The idea with the Kings is not about being competitive in the first season, it's about representation in an area with a strong rugby culture, but no representative. The Cheetahs were also-rans when they first got included in the Super 14, but look at the progress they have made. If the Kings get that chance at the expense of the pathetic Lions, so be it. In the long run, it will only benefit S.A rugby. And the Kings should be given as long as the Cheetahs have had before they can be included in any future promotion/relegation.

      Johan - 2012-05-29 09:31

      If I remember correctly, originally EP was part of the Sharks (Natal) franchise. Like Boland and SWD with Stormers (WP), Griquas with Cheetahs (OFS), etc. Whats happened? The Watsons needed more political exposure. Is this a rugby decision? No. The whole of the S15 will suffer. Blame SARU for this absurdity of giving in to politicians again. Will they grant Boland a franchise now if they apply? And Leopards? And Putsonderwater?

      Luke - 2012-05-29 10:17

      @ Johan, as we have seen in the past, if a smaller union joins a bigger union nothing changes. The bigger union gets richer and the smaller union stays poor with no chance of attracting and keeping quality players

  • Ronnie - 2012-05-29 08:35

    What a joke!!! for the Kings it is all about sponsorship and money not about Rugby and the pride of a Nation. The Kings are not strong enough to play in the Currie Cup, and could not make the final of the Vodacom Cup how the hell are they going to feature in Super Rugby? My suggestion a promotion religation match.

      my10cent - 2012-05-29 08:45

      @Ronnie, you have it spot on - it's all about BEE and Government support. Oh, and don't forget the pressure from SARFU to transform SA rugby.

      Luke - 2012-05-29 10:18

      @ Ronnie, you obviously dont live in the EC to see how hungry the public are for big time rugby How is a promotion/relegation match possible?Please explain?

      Nico - 2012-05-29 13:16

      @Luke i'll explain the promotion/relegation, seems difficult for you to understand, rather simple really, two teams play against one another, usually two games, and the winner on aggregate gets promoted up a league, the loser gets demoted down a league. the same way you guys had two promotion/relegation games already to play premier CC, one against boland and one against leopards. off course you lost both of those promotion/relegation games, which is probably why you get a political push in and not a deserved promotion up in the higher leagues. i don't have a problem with the queens playing super15, i have a problem with how it's done. and then there is teams that deserve the super15 spot more, griquas, pumas, boland and leopards. if you had all this talent you boast about, how come these four unions are able to better compete than you with less talent? deserve your spot in super15 and the whole country will back you, get it in the political boardrooms as you are doing now, and every loss will be applauded by the whole country.

  • Jason - 2012-05-29 08:39

    They agree to the S15 format "only 5 sides per nation", knowing that a franchise sitting out will be crippling . Planning has been ass about face.

  • Jason - 2012-05-29 08:42

    Well the lions can only join the cheetahs or bulls... Cats have already failed and Bulls and Lions can anyone see that working?

  • Jahendel - 2012-05-29 08:46

    The only Super 15 they had this year were the first 15 min of every game lol. Maybe they should play in their CC jerseys than maybe they will win more lol

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-05-29 09:01

    The Super Kings will be one huge embarrassment to this country, themselves and the whole competition. They are guaranteed to lose every game by a massive margin.

      Luke - 2012-05-29 10:19

      Who are the Super KIngs?

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:22

      ai kwagga, julle se dit al hoe lank... en wat het gebeur in die games wat die Kings gespeel het teen die 5 ander franchises sover...? Kings was redelik mededingend, ten spyte van die reuse agterstand wat hulle het teen die ander spanne. En jaja - jy gaan die Lions game opbring - een groot telling en almal weet dit was nie die regte Kings span nie. hoekom ander wou Mitchell oorspronklik nie eens George toe gaan nie?

  • niki.wessels - 2012-05-29 09:10

    Unite the Southern Kings and Lions. They could yield a team that play like cartoon characters and be known as the Lion Kings...

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:23

      would you like the role of porky pig?

  • Andre - 2012-05-29 09:17

    a Lions C or D team will still beat the Super Kings 80-0 any day-SARU has fallen in the Political trap-fools that they are,not much up there.

      Luke - 2012-05-29 10:20

      Who are the Super Kings and when did they ever play the Lions??

  • Patrick Cawood - 2012-05-29 09:17

    Dream on Kevin

  • Patrick Cawood - 2012-05-29 09:21

    Why you all so negative? I'd much rather have a new side competing than the toothless Lions Why make it sound political and unlawful? The EC produces far more rugby greats that Transvaal/Gauteng The Southern Kings are going to be a force in a few years Just give them a chance like Natal were From a proud Sharks supporter

      Johan - 2012-05-29 10:23

      HAHAHAHA name those greats Patrick. That is rediculous !!! You only have danie gerber in recent history, thats it. The lions have players like Jaque Fourie, Bryan Habana, Francios Pienaar, Willem Alberts, not to mention TWO World cup winning coaches that went through their ranks. For the last three decades the Lions have constantly been in the top 5 sides in SA and for the whole of SA rugby history they have been the third most succesful teams, even winning international teams like England. in the last 100 years EP has what... one vodacom cup trophy, one.

      Sean - 2012-05-29 10:24

      Patrick you're naive if you think the Kings will "compete". The Lions have been shocking this year, I'm the first to agree with that comment from anyone. There are reasons for this, not least of which is the number of injuries to key players in the squad. An example is Wikus Van Heerden - senior player, leads from the front, a tip-tackle in the first half hour of the season and we haven't seen him since. The Kings will recruit a squad from overseas, Vodacom Cup teams, other Super Rugby squads, and Luke. They have no idea what they are about to experience. Did you see the Hurricanes / Rebels game on Saturday? That is next year in PE. The Transvaal / Gauteng region have produced many great players who have gone on to be great Springboks. Players who learnt their skills at the Union, then moved on to learn and grow at other Unions. This will continue in the future, the only difference being that they will leave at an earlier age to join Super Rugby franchises. The squad that the Kings is putting together will not represent the region. Ironically, it may even include more Lions players than EC players! If you don't see this for the political interference it is, where do you live? It is now common practice in SA. Only yesterday the Minister reports that the WC stadiums are being underutilised. Where are the Kings playing their games? This is not a convenient coincidence. And the Lions have won one game this year!

      Sean - 2012-05-29 10:25

      And congrats for the win on the weekend, as a Lions fan it was a great game to watch. Deep down I hope we do not put a spanner in the works for the SA sides in these last few rounds. It has happened in the past!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:26

      @Johan... so na al die jare se Super Rugby is dit al speler swat die Leeutjies kan wys? Ek gaan nie eens al die produkte van die Oos Kaap noem nie... sien dit as bietjie huiswerk vir jouself want jyt obviously n paar klasse op skool gemis

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:42

      johan, net om jou reg te stel... Geen vodacom trophies nie. Jy rook seker weer iets wat jy nie moet moet nie. 2 Currie Cup titels, 1 Vodacom Shield, 1 1st division CC title, 1 IRB Nations Cup... Dis die paar wat ek weet (vlugtig) wat die Southern Kings unies verower het.

      basiladams.basil - 2012-05-30 13:39

      Johan u sound like a real krugerdorp westrand kat Pienaar is from the ec

      Johan - 2012-05-30 20:08

      Basil do you know how to work the "interweb"?? Pienaar is from vereniging, try using google or wikipedia or any other means of getting information before you put your fingers to keys ( the buttons on the key board). ooh and just so by the way, I may not be from Krugersdorp but there is a springbok captain that came from there, do you know Morne du Plessis??

      Johan - 2012-05-30 20:10

      noem hulle matt, noem hulle, ek wag...

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:36

      LMGA Johan... Ek dink jy moet bietjie wikipedia of google self gebruik en gaan kyk hoeveel van die spelers in die onderskeie fanchises van die Kings af kom. Ek noem net n paar van die Springbokke om jou aan die gang te kry want jy gaan obviously nerens kom sonder hulp nie: Ndugane, Mvovo, Daniel, Kankowski, Potgieter, Basson, Kirchner. Ander onlangse Springbokke wat van die streek af kom: Hennie le Roux, Mark Andrews, Robbie Kempson. En gaan kyk mooi waar het Frans Steyn groot geword voordat Grey College hom gegaps het. En moenie vergeet wie coach een van ons top franchises nie - Allistair Coetzee. Nog n Oos Kaap produk. In die Bok Coaching Staff: Ricardo Loubscher en Rassie Erasmus. Soos ek se, dis maar net n paar van hulle. En dit uit n streek SONDER Super Rugby...

      Johan - 2012-05-31 08:49

      Matt sien jy kan nie lees nie... die man het gese greats... meeste van daai ouens sal nie ers nou strating line up maak nie. da is n 2 goeie name da ma da is ok n paar mense da wat ma net in die oos kaap was vi hulle geboorte, n ou soos Frans Steyn het sy rugby in die vrystaat geleer. Doen jouself n guns google best springbok 15 ever en kyk watse name kom op, ek kan ok elke blerrie speler noem wat van die lions streek af kom noem... ma hulle gan nie greats wees nie. o ja n paar van daai ouens het ok deur die lions se sisteme gegan. Mense waai oor hulle wil, kyk ma vir iemand soos Juan Smith, enige span in die wereld sal hom wil he, ma hy bly by die Vrystaat. Die kings het nog niks gedoen om hulle plek te regverdig nie... ek sal eerder plek gee vi die boland. Google bietjie daai kant toe !!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:55

      ek het gesien jy praat van greats... maar kon nie verstaan hoekom jy Habana en Alberts in dieselfde asem noem nie en was Le Roux, Du Randt en Andrews nie in die 95 span nie? of beskou jy nie hulle as greats nie?

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:57

      en ek besef goed spelers waai vir geld, die game is professional - maar hoekom bring jy dan in elk geval Habana en Fourie op?

  • Jody - 2012-05-29 09:22

    Kevin i agree with you, however start developing your own home grown talent as many school boys are leaving for greener pastures. Having witnessed how trail teams for CW and GK where managed it became clear that a lot of homework needs to be done. Lions need to remain in SR as SA will benefit.

  • Luke - 2012-05-29 10:28

    The Lions Wooden Spoon cabinet must be getting pretty full by now, better make space for one more

      Johan - 2012-05-29 11:05

      Wooden spoons look fine next to the currie cup, at least their is something in the lions cupboard.

      Sean - 2012-05-29 12:43

      Johan ;D

  • Geoff - 2012-05-29 10:47

    How many more chances should the Lions get? Last 2010, last 2011 and sure to be last 2012. To me that says give someone else a chance!

      Johan - 2012-05-29 11:11

      Geoff my guess is the top 5 teams in SA should be the basis for the five teams that play in super rugby, and i know, no guessing here, the Lions have been one of those teams for the last decade or so. Another guess of mine is that you have no idea of how hard the super series is, look at the Blues, they have All Blacks spread all over their team and they only have one win more that the lions. This is a tough competition Geoff. The best idea, i guess is to send your strongest rugby playing teams, not your strongest politically backed ones.

      basiladams.basil - 2012-05-30 13:20

      John I agree with u but a big but if the kittens are not good enough then they must b pay the price 4being last look at all the great rugby players the eastern Cape has given south africa Danie gerber,Hennie le roux,Os du Rand,Francios Pienaar,Andre Vos,Mike Catt to name but a few and that's only white players \no race pun\ intended the all went on to be great players out side Ep so I think in 3years time come make the same statement the kings will win more than 2games is the 1st year of super15 next year watch the space

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:38

      enigste rede hoekom Lions nog onder top 5 in SA Rugby is, is omdat hulle Super Rugby voordele geniet

      Johan - 2012-05-31 08:55

      Basil the lions also have a tall list of of great Springbok rugby players, including some recent ones, Jacque Fourie and Bryan Habana ringing a bell? plus Francois is from vereniging... no where near EC. The point is Basil the Lions are good enough to qualify yes. Being top 5 in SA for such a long time as well as winning the currie cup, i think qualifies you. plus you can take all three the supposed regions that make up the Kings and put there accomplishments together and what the lions alone will eclipse them. Its also funny that all teh players you named left EC... wonder why?

  • Kobus - 2012-05-29 11:25

    Heineken Cup for the Lions, that would be refreshing, with the Super 15 sooo boring now, playing teams over and over

      Nico - 2012-05-29 13:19

      I was wondering the same thing Kobus, what actually stop the Lions from competing in the Heineken cup? As part of the preparation for the queens to join super rugby they were suppose to play in northern hemisphere games, but they knew they couldn't compete and therefore went the political route. there might be even more money in the Heineken cup for the Lions than what is the case in super rugby.

  • champ.sepa - 2012-05-29 13:31

    It is something the Lions should have seen coming: see article written in 2009. http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Lions-and-Cheetahs-in-danger-20091112 (It doesn't make it this political decision more acceptable though....)

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:27

      dit kom al van 2005 af en wat het die Lions sover gedoen om te wys hulle hoort nog daar?

  • gec2122 - 2012-05-29 15:30

    People have such short memories. Remember when the Super 10 started in 1993 with the then Transvaal winning it. For the 1st two years Western Province did not make the competition due to poor rugby they were playing at the time. WP has always been one of the world’s best provincial franchises with their impressive history and fanatical fan base. They accepted their fate and got into the competition in the 3rd year by performing better. There was no sense of entitlement. My message to the Lions is, “play better and earn your place”.

      Johan - 2012-05-29 15:38

      Winning the Currie Cup not good enough for you? Your Comment has no merit my dear man, there are five spots open for Super rugby and wouldn't you know it, The lions are one of our top five teams. Oooh yes, what did the Kings do to deserve this so by the way?

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-30 09:28

      nie geweet daar speel franchises in die Currie Cup nie...

      Johan - 2012-05-30 20:12

      dan wat speel daar Matt? seriously jy moet die domste bliksem op die internet wees!!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:47

      LOL, Johan... Die Cheetahs FRANCHISE bestaan uit die volgende PROVINSIES: Griekwas, Griffons en Vrystaat Cheetahs. Bulls bestaan uit Blue Bulls en Valke. Lions: Golden Lions, Leopards en Pumas Stormers: WP en Boland Southern Kings: EP Kings, SWD en Grens jy is die enigste ene hier met n bietjie breins ne!!

      matt.prinsloo.1 - 2012-05-31 08:48

      die res het almal baie!!

  • gec2122 - 2012-05-29 15:31

    People have such short memories. Remember when the Super 10 started in 1993 with the then Transvaal winning it. For the 1st two years Western Province did not make the competition due to poor rugby they were playing at the time. WP has always been one of the world’s best provincial franchises with their impressive history and fanatical fan base. They accepted their fate and got into the competition in the 3rd year by performing better. There was no sense of entitlement. My message to the Lions is, “play better and earn your place”.

      Rey - 2012-05-29 19:09

      And did the kings deserve to play super rugby by winning any big trophies recently???

      Rey - 2012-05-29 19:10

      And well done to province. Respect.

      gec2122 - 2012-05-29 21:49

      When I say earn your place, I suggest that the Lions (or the last placed team in the SA franchise for that matter) and the Kings play a relegation match. Winner plays in the Super comp. Plain and simple. A little bit like the Currie Cup in the old days.

  • Rey - 2012-05-29 19:07

    There are 18.5 Million people living whithin the lions and bulls area (Norhwest, Limpopo and Gauteng. That is why it is importent to have two teams.

      rey.spies - 2012-05-29 20:17

      important... oops typo

      gec2122 - 2012-05-29 21:43

      They must be invisible, I never see them at Ellis Park, oh, they must be at Orlando stadium watching soccer. The Lions has been nothing but an embarresment for SA.

      Johan - 2012-05-29 22:22

      Yes well EP has been nothing but an embarrassment in SA, more than one hundred years and all they can show for it is one vodacom cup trophy. Cant wait till the rest of the world sees them!!

  • lourens.du.plessis - 2012-05-30 20:27

    Look at the bright side. With the current Conference format of the S15, this means a guaranteed 10 points for each of the other SA teams in the competition. I think the only people in the S15 to really be unhappy will be the one NZ or Aus team who does not get to play the Kings, and then the rest of them only get one chance of milking the Kings for the 5 points.

  • jphuxtable - 2012-05-31 02:02

    Combine the Lions and the Kings. Call them the Lion Kings. They can still use the PE Stadium as their home ground and their new coach. John Mitchell can co-coach or be assistant coach or even forwards coach as he was for the All Blacks. And just think about all the extra publicity, advertising, supporters and revenue they will gain by calling them the Lion Kings. There will be more depth in the squad as well as more experience too which will only be a good thing for them. The Kings got beaten by the Pumas in the Vodacom Cup in the semi's and they want to put them in the Super Rugby competition? They'll do even worse than the Lions (Currie Cup winners) have done, taking in to account all their injuries.

  • gregg.murray1 - 2012-05-31 20:19

    People do know that the Kings did not qualify to play in CC this year, there is no free ride into the CC, so now does SARU make a special case to allow them to play CC. Which union will fall out then ? This is such a stuffup, where are the Kings new signings going to play A- Division.

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