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Lions bullish about S15 hopes

2012-05-16 18:53

Johannesburg - Golden Lions Rugby Union (GLRU) president Kevin de Klerk says he remains optimistic over the union's participation in the Super Rugby competition.

De Klerk was speaking ahead of a meeting between franchise representatives and members of the SA Rugby Union (SARU) executive committee in Johannesburg on Wednesday.

"We remain bullish and we remain optimistic," De Klerk said.

"The methodology still has to be discussed on how this is going to happen and I suppose that will take place at this forum."

SARU's exco proposed at a special general meeting in January that the top four teams in the South African conference in this year's Super Rugby competition would join the Southern Kings in next year's competition.

At this late stage of the Super Rugby competition the Lions are languishing last on the overall log and are lagging 13 points behind the Cheetahs in the South African conference.

The Lions are thus the likely candidate to be relegated at the end of the season, if the above proposal is ratified at the next general meeting on July 13 in Cape Town.

"The word 'proposal' is the operative word and it all still has got to be ratified and decided upon," said De Klerk.

"We are expecting the right outcome in terms of the Lions still remaining in the competition."

SARU revealed that it had also been proposed that the last-placed team in the South African conference would play a promotion/relegation match against the non-Super Rugby franchise after the 2013 and 2014 season.

"Depending on many factors we at the Lions are obviously not experiencing the best season, but an exit from this system would have quite a severe impact on not only us, but any other union that left the system," he said. De Klerk said a decision to relegate any of the current South African franchises would have a massive knock-on effect.

"It affects your sponsorships, your suite holders, your season ticket holders and your spectators," De Klerk said.

"We have player contracts and sponsorship contracts until the end of 2013. I mean, how do we work around this?"

De Klerk added it was a matter of urgency that a solution was found to this conundrum.

He, however, believed that all parties would be "willing and able, and have the integrity to arrive at an amicable outcome".

"This thing needs to be decided really quickly, but I think we still have a way to go to find the right solution," he said.

"I think at the end of the day its everybody's concern that rugby decisions must be made in the best interest of rugby."

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Comments
  • Leon - 2012-05-16 19:16

    merge with the southern kings or similar. we dont want the lions out of the compitition

      joneethling - 2012-05-16 22:26

      Define competition..

      Thomas - 2012-05-16 23:27

      Everyone would be willing to except the Kings in if the powers that be decide a Promo/relegation playoff with the bottom team in our conference!!! We know they can't do that because the Kings haven't got a team, they want most of the bottom teams players!!!! How stupid can these people be???????? The teams in our conference are established Currie Cup teams with proud records when they were chosen!! Heavens!! even Border can boast they have their name twice on the Currie Cup and the B section cup!! The Kings can't even reach the playoffs of the "C" section!!!!!!! MIND BOGGLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Tandas - 2012-05-17 06:46

      Relax people... please... Lions are at the bottom of the log... and they have been every season. Bringing in Brakpan high's 4th team into the competition will also be at the bottom of the log. So... kings, impi's, zulu's, lions or whatever they call themselves will also be at the bottom of log... it is like swapping a red smartie for a green one... it is still a smartie... So relax and enjoy the rugby the real rugby unions in SA are playing.

      Pierre - 2012-05-17 08:32

      Good thing the Lions are bullish, some hope for them yet. Imagine if the Lions were lionish about their chances, Lions would be competitionless like the Stormers are cupless...

      Selma - 2012-05-17 09:25

      What happened to strength against strength? The Super 15 has become farcical. Greed rules.

      Papa-storm - 2012-05-17 10:20

      merge with the bulls

  • Ryno - 2012-05-16 19:27

    This is what happenes when politics tries to get involved in sports. If the lions are dropped for the kings, I hope the other franchises keep their word and boycott the super 15 as they said they would in previous articles! Kings need to work their way up through the currie cup before they can enter super rugby!

      Jack - 2012-05-16 20:51

      It would actually be kinda funny if the unions all stood together against saru on this one. Seeing that the Kings involvement has been ordered by the court, would Hoskins be jailed? That would be funny and somewhat fitting (though I wish it could be van Rooyen)

      Paddy - 2012-05-17 07:07

      Imagine the scene. The other franchises all pull out and the Kings are the only SA side in the competition. They win the SA conference and areautomatically through to the play-offs in their first year! Then we will never be able to get rid of them.........

  • Paul Botha - 2012-05-16 19:30

    @Leon merge with the kings are you crazy or what? The lions will never stoop that low as to get into bed with cheeky and puke!!

      Johan - 2012-05-17 08:25

      @Axolile, being bottom of super rugby is better than not qualifying for the currie cup.... and this has been happening for more than 10 years now.

      Stirrer - 2012-05-17 09:31

      Not so crazy. They can be called the Lion Kings and get a sponsorship from Disney.

  • a.j.bosch - 2012-05-16 19:34

    Bullish? Hehehehehehe Are they going to join forces with the Bulls to stay in Superugby? :)

  • bill.vanzyl - 2012-05-16 19:35

    I simply cannot understand why or how a team that cannot win the "B" division of the Currie Cup can be pushed into the S15 ahead of a team that can and has won the "A" Division. Yep, I have heard about the politics of the exercise, but even politicians are known to have some logic, sometimes. The Southern Kings simply do not have the financial or player resources to survive in the toughest rugby competition in the world. Seems that the whole exercise is about egos? The Eastern Cape region is financially impoverished at best and cannot sustain the cost of an S15 team without a major sponsor, and nobody sponsors a minor team, especially one that loses! I already think 5 franchises each for the SANZAR members is too many. The S12 format gave a true test of strength versus strength, also allows for a shorter season and less strain on the players. I guess the blazer wearers that run the game only think about money?

  • Nicholas - 2012-05-16 19:45

    Maybe their participation can be acting as the water boys the Southern Kings?

  • shaun.mcneilage - 2012-05-16 22:00

    as a Kings supporter it will be great to play and have super rugby played in PE, however currently even we are sceptical about our participation and competiveness, my opinion is SARU should promote the Kings to the A section to prepare them for their participation for super rugby in 2016, NZ are also looking to add and extra team...

      Koos - 2012-05-17 04:20

      I wonder what the ticket prices are going to be for the Queens games? Will the people be prepared to pay R100-R150 week after week to see their team hammered? Don't think so.

      Louis - 2012-05-17 09:41

      Hi Shaun I am probably the only Kings supporter in Pretoria and I agree with you.

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-18 06:31

      LOUIS... YOUR PICTURE TELLS IT ALL YES!!

  • Ken - 2012-05-16 22:10

    The Lions will be OK in the end!....I trust the management and the players completely!.....Stuff (for want of a better word) the politicians!! Go Lions!

  • Franklyn - 2012-05-16 22:11

    nah,this madness has to stop. Kings do not deserve to play super-rugby.

  • thefantasyrugbyscout - 2012-05-17 04:44

    The Lions will be sorely missed by the 14 other teams who enjoyed taking points of them!

  • Marius - 2012-05-17 05:21

    This is what you get when you have an ex rugby players who weren't even the brightest spark on the rugby field instead of a businessman, trying to run a union and a budget of over a 100 million a year. Completely wrong financial decisions that filter right down to the field. It was a similar president that bankrupted and destroyed EP rugby completely in the 90's. This guy's job before he was voted in as EP president was a time clerk, not even a wage clerk, at General Motors. You give someone like that a multi-million budget and he goes on a spending spree like there is no tomorrow and when there was nothing left, he ran to SARU to bail the union out, the same as de Klerk now wants to do. If de Klerk thinks that he will get the support of the other existing franchises who are in no danger of being relegated themselves, he is not only extremely stupid, but delusional too.

  • marschoeman - 2012-05-17 05:48

    "I think at the end of the day its everybody's concern that rugby decisions must be made in the best interest of rugby." Well, how about starting to play some rugby then instead of what ever it is that you are doing currently? Yes, there are sponsorship deals and other things to keep in mind, but the Lions have been the bottom team for the last, well, for ever. I do not like the idea of the Kings, but lets be honest; the name of the team will change, the position on the log won't.

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-17 06:45

    To me the lions problems started in the boardrooms and hv made their wy on to the field. For the life of me i did not understand y jean deysel was discarded and ended up at trials dwn here, w alberts another monster. How many players r let go?insanity

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-17 06:45

    To me the lions problems started in the boardrooms and hv made their wy on to the field. For the life of me i did not understand y jean deysel was discarded and ended up at trials dwn here, w alberts another monster. How many players r let go?insanity

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-17 06:46

    To me the lions problems started in the boardrooms and hv made their wy on to the field. For the life of me i did not understand y jean deysel was discarded and ended up at trials dwn here, w alberts another monster. How many players r let go?insanity

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-17 06:52

    Sorry for 3 of the same, damn netwrk. A man comes in and says i will help u financialy, he gets a sponsor nd coffs out some of hs own geld. In all ur wisdom u screw him over after winning the cc, i do say: LOOK AT U NOW! cnt even draft in players

  • mthunzi.phakathi - 2012-05-17 07:07

    Sorry for 3 of the same, damn netwrk. A man comes in and says i will help u financialy, he gets a sponsor nd coffs out some of hs own geld. In all ur wisdom u screw him over after winning the cc, i do say: LOOK AT U NOW! cnt even draft in players

  • Henk - 2012-05-17 08:06

    lets face it, with the current performance by the lions in this season only, do they belong there? but as for the past 5 years, something seriously is wrong at the lions- and it is NOT the players or the coach! ( 'n vis vrot van sy kop af)This they proofed several times. BUT to replace them with the kings? a team with NO money, NO sponsors and NO players even to get somewhere in the vodacom cup competition? ooo I forget they had a big mouth called watson!!

  • Christo - 2012-05-17 09:39

    Hopefully we can win in the boardroom, I dont see anyone on the injury list:-)

  • Compton6 - 2012-05-17 12:38

    why dont they re-united the lions and cheetahs again.... bring in the kings... the eastern cape crave super rugby... give us a chance...

      Templar - 2012-05-17 13:01

      Please, leave the Cheetahs out of the monumental mess that is the GLRU, they are progressing just fine thank you. As for the Kings, oh dear...

      Raymond - 2012-05-17 13:40

      Get your house in order first; and I don't mean on the rugby field. It grieves me that the spawning ground for many great rugby players has been reduced to the mess that is today. Get a sponser and win your current log, win the Currie Cup and get some more sponsers. If you want it earn it. This street corner begging may give you short term gratification but it comes without any sense of self respect or long term prospects.

      Henry - 2012-05-17 18:57

      Why would the Cheetahs be interested in this arrangement? I think they bring in some flair to the competition. Let relegation take its flow, using last of SA Conference against the last one out in previous year using a best of three matches.

  • Colin - 2012-05-17 13:12

    Listen, the season is not over and who know if the Lions would be dropped. EP Kings and the Stormers should merge as they are around the corner from one another. Cheetahs Lions in separate Provinces, so somebody should wake up and smell the flippin coffee!!!!!!! This is just political and that is that! We are still the Currie Cup Champs and nobody can take that away from us until we play the Currie Cup this season. Have a playoff and you will see the Lions will drub the the EP Kings. They cannot even win the Vodacom Cup and they are just useless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Go Lions and prove every wrong like you did in last years Currie Cup. Lions Fan of Note!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Raymond - 2012-05-17 13:46

      Think before you sprout dude. If locality is your argument then the Lions and Bulls must merge. Two teams in one province spaced about 70 km apart? I am not in favour of the Kings getting a freebie but maybe there is a case (after the Watson Wannabees have left) to make a concerted effort to build rugby in that part of the country

      Hallo - 2012-05-17 16:51

      Don't be a fool. The Currie Cup meant nothing. The Lions played with pretty much the same squad throughout as they hardly had any Bok players. It was a pyrrhic victory which only covered up the incompetent bonehead dinosaurs who run the union.

  • Hallo - 2012-05-17 16:45

    The problem with the GLRU is the dinosaurs still running it (to the ground). Boneheads types...

  • patrickjasoncawood - 2012-05-17 17:12

    Nobody should be relegated Merger has to happen

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