Jean 'survives' Sonny Bill

2011-05-12 13:13

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town – Springbok inside centre Jean de Villiers has come through his much-touted No 12 duel with Sonny Bill Williams largely unscathed.

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That is at least as far as Sport24 readers are concerned, judging by their ongoing confidence in De Villiers for Super Rugby Dream Team purposes this week.

Williams had some very influential moments during the Crusaders’ 20-14 defeat of the Stormers at Newlands on Saturday, but afterwards visiting coach Todd Blackadder praised the home midfield (also comprising impressive try-scorer Jaque Fourie) for similarly “getting through some holes” at times.

And De Villiers still earned emphatic, 90% support from Sport24 voters for the Week 13 South African Dream Team – it was a weekend, of course, where champions the Bulls had a bye.

Stalwart partner Fourie earned even greater approval (92%), as Stormers players continued to boss the XV despite the untimely, pre-tour reverse.

There are seven representatives of the Newlands-based franchise in the combo, with the Sharks next on five, following their own come-from-behind disposal of the Brumbies.

And the Cheetahs are rewarded for thrashing the hapless Lions last Friday night by seeing loosehead prop Coenie Oosthuizen, fullback Riaan Viljoen and scrumhalf Sarel Pretorius make the cut.

In the overall Dream Team XV for the season thus far, the Sharks are starting to make up good ground, in line with their still pretty good chance of hauling in the Stormers at the top of the South African conference.

There are now six representatives each from the two big coastal powers, with the rest of the XV made up of Bulls favourites Gerhard van den Heever (a tad surprisingly), Fourie du Preez and another mostly under-performing player in Bakkies Botha.


  • Gilgamesh - 2011-05-12 13:25

    Stormers lose and still get the most players represented. Sounds like the voting process is potentially skewed. Elstadt did well to crack the nod considering the amount of time spent on the field. If he was the best in his position among all SA locks for the weekend then why was he taken off?

      Grant - 2011-05-12 14:28

      I'm a sharks supporter too, but thats a short-sighted comment. You can play well and lose, just as you can play badly and win...

      isak.dippenaar - 2011-05-12 14:35

      like the way the Sharkies played and lost to the Stormers. very good match won by your opinion the 2nd best team. should we then ignore the sharkies for that reason?? Nope. enjoy

      Marx - 2011-05-12 15:08

      This debate around Jean and Sonny is ridicilous and laughable, we do have better centres, the media seems to be trying to force Jean into the starting line-up. Where was old Jean when the Bulls dominated the last couple of years?? Nowhere!! Fourie is doing 90% of the work.

      Marx - 2011-05-12 16:32

      Balsakkie, shame, jou naam en vuil taal weerspiëel jou klas. Moenie op my vloek oor jy nie met my saamstem nie. Gaan kyk miskien in die spieël, dan sien jy wat jy my wil noem.

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-12 19:12

      @ Isak.dippenaar Luister ou beer, moet jou nou nie kom wiseass hou hier nie. Jy's ouer as Noag man

  • Maarten - 2011-05-12 13:37

    I don't think that anybody but certain Stormers reporters believe the JdiV played well. He had a shocker! So yeah, I would love to kmow who voted him that high!

      Shistirrer - 2011-05-12 14:17

      Ummmmm.... People that that know their rugby, dude.

      Grant - 2011-05-12 14:29

      @Maarten - do yourself a favour, and watch the OTHER Crusaders games. SBW makes a mockery of most opponents, but JDV held his own. Merit where it's due...

      EXBULL - 2011-05-12 14:47

      Maarten, this according to how the READERS voted for their dream team and not the reporters you D00S.

      Maarten - 2011-05-12 21:40

      As to the rest of you.... One eye Stormers one and all.

      Aitsa - 2011-05-13 00:53

      Your parents couldn't even spell your name between the two of them, "Maarten", why should we believe you know anything more than how to tie your shoelaces?

      Maarten - 2011-05-13 12:12

      @Aitsa, Does aitsa stand for Another Idiotic Thick Stormer Supporter Association? Let me give you a clue JFGI.

      molefeP - 2011-05-13 15:56

      I doubt vey much that Aitsa realises the ultimate irony in that statement.

  • Marcell - 2011-05-12 13:55

    No one is as blind as a stompie supporter.

      wpisbo - 2011-05-12 14:58

      Wrong - no one is as blind as a Blou Nulle supporter

      Marx - 2011-05-12 16:11

      Wat's die verskil tussen Olivier en de Villiers, kom ons kyk.... mmmmm.............Wynand het ñ hele paar Currie Bekers agter sy naam, 2007 Wêreld Beker goue medalje, 3 Super 14 titels, 3 Nasies, en daar moet nog seker ñ Vodacom Cup ook daar êrens uit dop. Dit is war jy klas noem pappies!!! Wie is Jean de Villiers nou weer????????????? Julle Stormertjies met julle selektiewe geheues. Sorry man!!!!!

      Gerhard - 2011-05-14 07:52

      @marx Enigste rede hoekom whynand olivier in die WB span was, was omdat JdV beseer was tydens die finaal... As jy na die fotos gaan kyk het hy ook die medalje... As ek reg onthou was wynand in elkgeval nie eers op die veld in final nie... Frans steyn was op 12... As ek reg onthou was wynand olivier ook nie eers in die 2009 Drie Nasies wen span nie. Moenie jou onnoselheid hier so ten toon stel nie. Wie is wynand olivier nou weer? eks jammer Marx, jy is die mees shortsighted lee blik in die geselskap. Die feite is, Wynand kan nie tackle nie, hy crash ball ALLES, hy gee nooit ui nie en het pap in sy hande. Jean de Villiers weet wanneer om die bal aan te gee, tackle teen 'n baie goeie persentasie en het die oog vir 'n gaping. Jammer Marx, mar jy is die lee blik in die geselskap. Gan doen jou naforsing voor jy jouself seermaak.

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  • ettienne.leroux - 2011-05-12 13:57

    Jean De Villiers gets 90% not because he is that good - but because the other centres in this country is SOOOOOOOO KAK!!!!

      Maarten - 2011-05-12 21:41

      Well said

  • Kok - 2011-05-12 14:09

    Because he played most of 1 st half outside centre and most of the 2nd half wing. You just have to avoid the skillful SBW.

      Loodpil - 2011-05-12 14:31

      You misspelled your name. Cock is spelled with two c's.

      Kok - 2011-05-12 14:49

      Loodpil, plz go play on the N1

  • Ambiorix - 2011-05-12 14:12

    Well if the sport24 readers say so i guess it must be true....

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-12 14:24

    Pray tell us rugby geniuses WHO else cracks the nod at 12? Meyer Bosman? Jean De Villiers is the best 12 in South Africa - end of. We saw very clearly what happened to the 'other' 12's when up against SBW...remember Meisiekind?

      Grant - 2011-05-12 14:30

      Thank you! :)

      Marx - 2011-05-12 14:51

      The best number 12 in SA.....mmmm.....Jean is ok, now I'll tell who's been the best the previous two years, Wynand Olivier, and he's getting form back, So my number one is Wynand, closely followed by Doppies and Eberson. Jean is so good in your opinion only because of Fourie, put him next to Jaco Pretorius for a season and you'll be singing a whole different tjoon. Nou kan julle maar vir my beledig en slegsê in tipiese Stormer fashion, 'cause you don't agree with me. Laat waai........

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-12 15:19

      @Marx - Wynand Olivier????? Oh dear rugby gods I need heroin.....copious quantities of the stuff. Olivier? Will someone wake me up please? WYNAND OLIVER the best centre in SA? Ok, officially ROTFLMFAO.

      gooinat - 2011-05-12 15:26

      @Saffa,forgive poor old Marxie,after he returned from the Might men meeting he's never been the same:)

      Oukoos - 2011-05-12 15:29

      MARX, soos jy self weet is die wereldbeker in 2011. Hoe goed 'n speler in 2010 of 2009 was, sal net mooi vokkol help

      Marx - 2011-05-12 15:31

      Saffa, in my opinion, Wynand had a couple of terrible games, form is temporary, class is permanent!! If Jean is this Super centre, what happened during the last couple of years against the Bulls. Wynand kicked his ass, that's what happened. Wynand is still getting back on track, come the Newlands game, the truth shall be reveiled, and I will be the first to admit who's best if Jean can outplay him. We'll just have to wait and see!!

      Marx - 2011-05-12 15:38

      Ou Koos, al wat ek sê is, dat Wynand die laaste paar jare die top senter was, en dit volgens die Aussies en All Blacks, hy's besig om weer op vorm te kom en ek glo hy sal binnekort weer heel bo wees. Jean is op vorm tans die beter keuse tussen die twee, maar nie vir lank nie. Wynand bied meer op aanval en verdediging.

      gooinat - 2011-05-12 15:41

      Olivier will never start before De Villiers in a test match,I'll bet my bottom dollar on that one......

      Met Uysh! - 2011-05-12 16:04

      @Marx. Jean was overseas last year and the year before he was injured. Even then, I think Adriaan Jacobs was better than Meisiekind! Wynand Olivier is not a Springbok! Full Stop!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-12 16:04

      @Marx - Wynand is a solid player - nothing more, nothing less. He has far more Springbok caps than what he has deserved. He is a competent Super rugby and CC centre - but he has NEVER managed to make the step up to International level (and this after many many many opportunities) That doesn't make him a bad player - but like many others, a limited player. If Wyand has not been able to step up in alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll the time he has had up until now, he ain't going to stepup.

      Marx - 2011-05-12 16:27

      Met Uysh, Jou comment oor Jacobs sê alles, miskien moet jy en jou maatjies mooi gaan kyk wat Wynand agter sy naam het, en dit is meer as wat Jean nog van droom, verskeie Currie Beker titels, 3 Super titels, 2007 Goue Wêreldbeker medalje....sal ek aangaan??? Haal die oog klappies af, en kyk na die groter prentjie!! En die beste van alles, sy senter maats was meeste van die tyd nie Bokke nie, skrik wakker !!!

      gooinat - 2011-05-12 16:34

      Olivier was just lucky he played in a good team, thats the only reason he got those medals!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-12 16:37

      @Marx - en Zuma is die president van gevolg van die SPAN om hom......

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-05-12 16:53

      I always say to myself would I replace any of the Sharks for this player. Ok wait if I had to replace Bosman I would select meisiekind or Jean. But if I was made team captain I would choose Jean. If I remember correctly Frans Steyn wore the 12 jersey after Jean's injury. I remember cause the called him a mule for kicking 2 60 meter penalties.

      Marx - 2011-05-12 16:54

      Saffa, my last comment on this subject, the beauty of rugby is that there are millions of supporters, and each and everyone of them has his/her own idea of which players is the best, which is their favourite etc. etc. We can go back and forth on this subject for the rest of our lives, Wynands record and the roll he played in each and every title he and his team has won, was like the other 21 players, invaluable, you know that very well. His defense has been one of the best for years and so has his attacking skills, he played in losing Bok team last year, with 21 players around him, which all failed, including de Villiers, who by his own admission was the worst of the lot. Yet you and you mates choose to pick on Wynand, ' cause it suits you, not because of 22 players not getting it right as a team, as you just suggested with your Zuma comment. Wynand had a couple of games with Fourie, not the huge amount Jean has now. Wynand will be back, sooner than later. Cheers

      Krugga - 2011-05-12 16:57

      Who played 12 in the 2007 world cup final? ...and his younger than Jean.

      Oukoos - 2011-05-12 17:01

      MARX, wat jy sê is omdat die Bulls oor die voorafgaande jare briljant was (en ja, wie sal ontken dat die Bulls tot voor die begin van 2011 'n wereldklas span was), was Olivier ook briljant, As ek hierdie lyn van beredenering verder volg, beteken dit dat Olivier vanjaar useless is, want die Bulls is (ongelukkig vir SA rugby) vanjaar redelik useless. Ten slotte, die Aussies en All Blacks sal vanselfsprekend eerder Olivier op die veld wil sien as Jean De Villiers.

      GraemeBB - 2011-05-12 18:52

      Another burning issue - who is our no 12. My humble opinion: JDV is 1st choice. Second, I dont know. WO was my second option, but has had a bad season. It is true that the Bulls game plan, and having a poor outside centre will effect the man. DeJoung not that good this season iether. Strauss, havent seen much of him this year, and I dont think he the most attacking player iether. But, it must be said that JDV was nowhere against SBW - no chance of breaking the line, and had to hang on to SBW for dear life.

      Maarten - 2011-05-12 21:48

      SAFA-CAT, as a rule I agree with you more often than not. And yes, we do have a serious dearth of centers. But even you have to admit that JDiV had a terrible game! Not once when he got the ball did he straighten the line. He ran his 13, 14 and 15 up against touch every single time. He was in fact, the main reason why none of the Stormers back line moves panned out. The few opportunities people like Aplon had with the ball, and all of a sudden your back line looked dangerous. The point is, that the ball had to get past Jean first! I would have replace him with De Jong much earlier. And while I am at it, Jantjes is still a huge liability for you. Find two decent Props, teach Jean what a Center is all about and drop Jantjes and you guys can take the SA15

      Crusader Man - 2011-05-12 22:43

      @Saffa I would be a bit worried bout JDV cos i reckon his year in northern h has affected his game some. Happens with most players i reckon. They go OS and come back fraction of the players they were. Same happened to Luke McAlister he was a handy player when he left and when he came back he was very ordinary.. Playing a wee bit better this year. Must be there bland style of rugby and cos they play so many games.. Hope for your sake he gets better.. Last weeks game i don't even recall him doing anything in the game at all. Once remember him fluffing a kick and i saw him tackle SBW once as well.. But when saders had all new backline didn't see him after that at all. Fourie was fantastic.. Tho. R u worried bout JDV saffa ?

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-13 09:52

      Marx: Do you read what you are saying - form is temporary, class is permanent!! , but you clowns from the North are always going on about Bryan Habana - Com'on now ,

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-05-13 09:57

      @Crusaderman - Morning :) I am worried about quite a few of our senior players - Jean is probably the one I'm least worried about at this stage (bar injury). Jean's value is 70% player, 30% leader on the field. He will never be known as one of the greats - (I see you mentioned Bunce, he was one of my faves) - but within the SA setup, he is the best we have. His continued partnership with Jaque (who is the marshall of defence) is essential from a SA point of view. Unlike SBW who can just go out and play his game, Jean's role is a little different, both provincially and nationally. Not sure if you are in SA or NZ? But if you are in NZ, maybe this explains it best: with the team Divvy will select, Jean is ESSENTIAL. There was an old saying back in the dark days of SA which stated "No normal sport in an abnormal society". That statement is once more relevant in SA....

      Crusader Man - 2011-05-13 22:18

      @Saffa Thanks that does explain it better.. I am in CHCH .. I realise that JDV has formed a good partnership with Fourie in the midfield.. Don't know enough of your lesser players..To know whether anyone is challenging him or not. Don't rate the Bulls blondie , think his name is Olliver , He had absolute rubbish game against Saders.. kept dropping the pill. good luck for whatever team you r supporting :-)

  • Sh@rks Fever - 2011-05-12 14:31

    Jean is our best 12 by a mile followed by De Jongh. Unfortunatly SBW is just brilliant. I however still believe if we pick the right team in the World Cup he shouldn't pose too much of a threat. What I don't understand though and this is from an ex rugby player. Why does no one follow suit and play his style of rugby. Francois Louw it would appear also likes offloading in the tackle. It's really just a mentality thing. Most of us when tackled want to go to ground and make the ball available. Just get the hands free, ensure there are guys running off you and offload.

  • Sh@rks Fever - 2011-05-12 14:46

    I would run out with the week 13 team any time. Looks brilliant. I must say. And to be honoust every player individually deserves a place. In the overall team the three Bulls players defenitly don't deserve a spot. I would put 15 bulls in the team if they are deservent of a space. Dewld Potgieter and Hougaard has probably been the only two players this year that really try hard and maybe Kruger as well. If I was bok coach I would be smiling with all the talent we have. Our coach however is relying too much on past experience and it could well cost him his job at the end of it all.

      wpisbo - 2011-05-12 15:01

      you talk common sense - we need more of that on this forum - is there a way of filtering the Blou Bul crap?

      Oukoos - 2011-05-12 15:30


      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-05-12 16:31

      Gents, just to add. I am not dissing any Blue Bulls. I know some bulls supporters will think I'm having a crack at them, bu I'm not. Last year half my team would have been Bulls. I however firmly believe that if a player individually doesn't perform he needs a "rest"or if they cannot perform collectively as a team they need a rest. About 14 weeks ago we were all big mouths on these threads. For now the Stormers supporters are having the last laugh so who are we to critisize. And even though the Sharks look alright and yes we got some good bonus points and our play looks good at times, the little bastards have only won 1 game more than the Bulls. I can laugh my ass off with the very good rivalry we have as supporters. Sometimes though we get a bit woes with the comments though. But you know what, if you don't like what you read, hit the little X button on the top right of your screen.

      Oukoos - 2011-05-12 17:12

      I cant't wait for the game between the Sharks and Bulls. On the one hand a Bulls win will benefit my team (Stormers) as it will increase the gap between the Stormers and the Sharks. On the other hand, I (and 99.7462% of all Stormer supporters) will just love a Shark win over the Bulls. It will be enjoyment in its purest form!!!!!!!!!!

  • Claude - 2011-05-12 14:58

    With all the forward passes SBW makes he has a long way to go to even match Jean. But then the Refs don't blow his forward passes - that makes him look better than he is.

  • MB1810 - 2011-05-12 15:03

    Jean "survives" sonny bill - that is such a ridiculus statement to make considering that its based on the Dream Team results, which last time I checked did not include SBW as an option at 12. What competition is there for him anyway, the only man capable of challenging for the spot is De Jongh and he's been watching from the bench most of the season. Ridiculus article - really there could have been no other result than Jean surviving Sonny Bill considering what the other south african options are.

  • Mad Hatter - 2011-05-12 16:00

    I watched the game at the stadium and I have watched and re-watched the game on television using slow motion replays. (SBW fascination). I think people are being somewhat harsh on Jean de Villiers. What did he do wrong in the match? He got bounced once by SBW but still managed to grab hold of his ankles and stop him, he missed one tackle on SBW later when Lionel Cronje fell over and impeded him. He tackled SBW numerous times, and it was the men on his outside (Sadie for the first try, Gerber for the second, that let the defence down). Not only that, but he managed to do a SBW pass of his own in the second half that led to the Jaque Fourie try. If you look at that move you realise he duped SBW, it was a lineout and so Sonny was supposed to drift, but he was forced into the tackle by Jean, which resulted in the offload and the try. You can even see Israel Dagg kakking SBW out for making that mistake after the try. Considering the hype of SBW and the pressure Jean was under I think he held up pretty well.

  • mysticBoer - 2011-05-12 16:27

    SBW is attracting way too much attention. The way this article is titled it's almost as if its strange that JdV came off unscathed. The man is no God. I won't argue he is good, but seriously, there's 13 other teams (other than the Stormers and the Crusaders) with okes screaming for some media attention as well. Get off this SBW bandwagon for heavens sake!

      Sh@rks Fever - 2011-05-12 16:42

      You know how it goes. All this attention eventually only becomes a disadvantage to the player. The more attention he gets the more team mangers and match analysts study him. The more they study him the more they exploit his weaknesess. In a year he will be just another centre. Every great player out there only stays great for a very small period. I can mention so many of these guys that eventually only became good rugby players. Lomu, Russell, Steyn, Kankowski, Wilkinson, Gitaue and so many more. a Select few retain that real X factor like Carter, Mccau and De Villiers and Fourie, well they can turn on the heat at any time.

      Crusader Man - 2011-05-12 22:56

      @Sharks Fever I agree with most of your comments altho i would take out JDV out of your list. As above he is not the player yet since coming back from overseas. Hopefully he gets there. Also i believe Lomu would have been best rugby player ever if he didnt have that disease that crippled his career. He was only playing at 80% at the top of his career. he had no energy in any games.. Sad cos the world really missed out on his best rugby.. Not just saying that cos i am in nZ. He was a freak before his health problems.

      Crusaderinvader - 2011-05-13 06:31

      @mysticBoer..I agree, he is very good but it's all becoming a little over-hyped at the moment. I personally think the potential is there for him to reach greatness as he did in league, but he's not there yet when it comes to union, and personally, I would rate the great Frank Bunce above him at present!!

  • silverflash - 2011-05-12 16:40

    Sonny Bill is the Shiit at the moment . Our boys will have a serious challenge come the business end of the competition

  • Krugga - 2011-05-12 16:40

    Jean has the best perapheral vision in the whole Bok squad (tests done in 2005). Unfortunately that alone does not make you a complete backline player. He is the best example of a Province player - flash, but a soft boy.

      jontheb - 2011-05-12 18:02

      methinks you're confusing your member with SA's best inside center...

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-05-12 17:16

    He did? WHA HA HA HA HA And the Stormers didn't do too bad the last 11 years

  • Johann - 2011-05-12 17:21

    Are we discussing rugby here or DOOS??? Come on guys

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-12 18:22

      @Johann Moenie so vloek nie man, sies.

  • coenie.koch - 2011-05-12 17:26

    Face the facts. Jean de V had a short lived period in Ireland, and only came back because he was proved to be NOT so good in his position. And on his return old poor Snorre ( who is onesighted ) gave him another change. And in the Stormers outfit I will play De Jongh before him. De Jongh must just learn to round off and to score that obvious tries ( referring to the games against the Lions and the Sharks ) after breaking right through the opposition.

  • Hein - 2011-05-12 18:10

    I think you ape bergbokkejane should just check the Poll on the right of this article. JdV only 6%. SBW a massive 48% and JF 38%. So why argue about this whole issue - JdV = has been. Wynand Olivier is best inside center in South Africa.

  • CliffBradley - 2011-05-12 18:55

    I think it's a toss-up who's the slowest rugby player in the world right now, Jean or Habana.

  • CliffBradley - 2011-05-12 18:56

    But no question about the dumbest, Duane jou doring!!!

  • John - 2011-05-12 21:48

    "Jean 'survives' Sonny Bill" is like saying Gadhafi survived a NATO airstrike

  • LACER8 - 2011-05-12 23:26

    Stop the hype over Sonny Bill Williams. He will be taken down just like Joost floored Jonah Lomu in World Cup Final in 95. Dont forget about Strauss from the Cheetahs...What a hard working hard tackling and intelligent player. Big mistake by the Sharks to let him go...He was instrumental in making the Sharks backline fire last season.

      Stefan - 2011-05-13 02:05

      @ Lacer8 ! I like Strauss . Jean is also good ! Fourie good , but arrogant w@nker :) ! SBW is just in a diff. class at the moment !

  • Brad McAlpine - 2011-05-13 06:55

    De villiers and fourie are your best centers and are feared in nz, wynand has never played that well and held that physical edge against the ABs

  • YB Normal - 2011-05-13 08:50

    JDiv is by far the number one inside center we have in SA, meisiekind is poor on defence, and do not know how to pass a ball, but is saying this, playing with Jaco Pretorius next to him, he has a very good reason not to pass as he is even worse. The Bulls have some of the best wings in the business, but due to their Center combo never get to see the ball in a backline move. it is also about combination in rugby and with the current center pairings, there are none better than JDiv and Fourie.

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  • cmarais2 - 2011-05-13 10:38

    @Marx - Jy is 'n sprekende bewys dat Blou Trille niks van rugby af weet nie. Wat jou skitterende geheue aan betref....Wie was die Bokke se senter-paar tydens die 3 nasies wen? Jean en Jacque! Jean het ook 'n RWC goud, enigste verskil was dat hy 'n game gespeel het en beseer is, terwyl Prince Charming nie 'n game gespeel het nie! In fact, hy was so vrot, dat Jake eerder met die jong heelagter Frans Steyn gewaag het op senter toe Jean beseer is. In die Britse Leeus toer het Jean en Jacques ook saam gespeel. Blondie het eers in die derde toets gespeel....die een wat die bokke so ver verloor het!!! Jean en Barbie kan nie eers vergelyk word nie. Hulle is net nie in dieselfde klas nie, maar dan, julle blou bulle sal nie klas herken as dit julle in die H@l byt nie!!!

      jolene.shield - 2011-05-13 15:57

      ok boys....sbw is good yes, he is having a good season, but that doesnt make our sa centre's bad. we have the best centre pairing in the world! jacque and jean is brilliant and sbw didn't do much either on sat except for the one good pass (that was by the way a forward pass) that got them the first try!!!! think about it, how often does jean get tries??? not every game, but his defence and reading of the game is brilliant. so will you all just grow up and give credit where it is due. and as for wynand olivier, i agree that he played well when his team played well, now he is crap! and the same with morne steyn...without fourie du preez he is useless and unfortunetly for him now, fourie is not playing well at all. and by the way....jean did really play for the stormers or wp last year, first he was overseas and then he was injured for a long wynand did not really play against him! and we need to take top form players to world cup, not has beens!!!!!!!!!

  • CliffBradley - 2011-05-13 18:39

    What a joke, "Jean survived SBW" HA HA HA HA HA Poor idiotic Stormers, I notice their newest comment (when you remind the brainless scum of the 3 cups in 4 years of the Bulls) is: "Well, at least we've never been last in the competition" Foeitog, as if that is an achievement and the whole world will remember them for that! WOW, never been last hey!!! Jokers of world rugby

      Gerhard - 2011-05-14 08:08

      Dis so jammer dat die bulle hier hullseself moet kom verdedig met ernstige kortsigtige insults. Ek is jammer maar Jean en Jacques het 'n baie beter indruk gemaak as enige vn die ander SA senter pare! Ek is groot Sharks fan en ek moet se dat SBW 'n bespotting van ons verdediging gemaak het. So-ook van die bulle s'n. Wie gee om wat laas jaar gebeur het, dis verby, ons fokus op die hier en nou. Jean de Villiers en Jacques Fourie is die twee top Senters in die SA en is ook twee van die bestes in die wereld.Hulle is ook die enigiste senter paar wat SBW reg hanteer het.Een Tackler op SBW en die ander op sy offload... waar die bulls soos afkop hoenders 3tacklers op hom gesit het en dan offload hy en sy buddy is deur die gap. Dis so jammer dat die leë blik bulle die inhoud van hulle intelligensie so mooi ten toon stel. Dis nog altyd die bulle se groot probleem, hulle maak die meeste geraas, wanneer hulle verloor en wanneer hulle wen. Dis onaangenaam!

      CliffBradley - 2011-05-14 16:32

      @Gerhard Lee blik Bulls?? Wie het die mees "impressive" trofeekas in SA rugby? Ek kan in daai staar van jou sien jy's absoluut plankdom, plankdom! So die "lee" woord is meer wat tussen jou ore aangaan jou flippen dom werf@tter

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