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Huge week for Stormers, Bulls

2012-05-21 07:19

Cape Town – Fiery Friday in Hamilton and Super Saturday in Durban ... that is the tantalising scenario for Week 14 of the Super Rugby competition.

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These cities stage massively influential matches this weekend, in terms of the race to finish top overall, as first the Chiefs entertain the Bulls and then the spotlight shifts back to South Africa itself for the coastal derby a day later between the Sharks and Stormers at Mr Price Kings Park.

You’d have to draw straws, frankly, to try to determine which fixture is the more important or appealing.

And if you were the log-leading Stormers or one of their supporters, for instance, you would face the additional dilemma of deciding what result might be better in the earlier showdown at Waikato Stadium.

A Bulls victory there would be useful for the Cape franchise in terms of taking off some of the Chiefs’ heat on the overall ladder – the New Zealanders are level on points with the Stormers and second only on the grounds of fewer wins – whereas the Chiefs winning would potentially make the task of topping the SA conference for the playoffs phase that little bit easier for Jean de Villiers and company.

The Stormers currently hold a two-point edge over great domestic rivals the Bulls, whom they meet in an unenviable second successive away derby a week on from Saturday’s visit to the Shark Tank.

Maybe the “dream” Hamilton result on Friday, from a Stormers point of view, is a low-scoring draw, with both sides earning just two points each for their troubles – an unlikely prospect as there hasn’t been one stalemate yet this season despite some very close score-lines.

As for the Bulls, whatever the outcome in their final overseas match against the Chiefs, they will almost certainly be quietly rooting for a Sharks triumph in Durban, as the in-form host side there remains in sixth place overall and still six points behind the men from Loftus as things stand.

That said, another Sharks win – it would be their fourth on the trot in what has been a commendable resurgence – coupled with a second tour defeat in succession for the Bulls, would draw John Plumtree’s charges right into what would suddenly become a genuine three-way tussle for conference supremacy.

The Sharks, it mustn’t be forgotten, may have played one more match than each of the Stormers and Bulls, but they are the only ones of the trio still to have a bye up their sleeve ... and the automatic four points that will bring.

Just like the Stormers, the Bulls are getting ominously low on fit loose forwards, and tour fatigue may be a factor as they tackle the Chiefs – by contrast, fresh off a bye – in the wake of the loss to the Highlanders in Dunedin where they found some mojo a bit too late.

At least they have a much better recent record against these opponents than they do against mini-hoodoo side the Highlanders: the Bulls have won the last four tussles against the Chiefs, including one in the enemy stronghold and the one-sided Loftus final of 2009 (61-17).

Meanwhile there will be a certain clash of styles, if you like, when the Sharks do battle with the Stormers – the former are having little difficulty crossing the whitewash, as reflected in bonus-point victories from their last two matches, whilst the latter keep grinding out tense wins without ever quite managing to run riot on the scoreboard.

The Stormers’ fine defence and muscularity in contact generally remain key strings to their bow, and if the Sharks are in undoubted good form with three wins on the trot, the Capetonians’ acting captain De Villiers was quick to remind on Saturday night that they are on a remorseless victory habit too – they have come out tops four times in succession since losing to the Crusaders in Christchurch back in mid-April.

These are the remaining fixtures for the four sides involved in this weekend’s two “main event” matches:

Stormers: Sharks (a), Bulls (a), Lions (h), Cheetahs (a), Rebels (h)

Chiefs: Bulls (h), Blues (a), Highlanders (a), Crusaders (h), Hurricanes (a)

Bulls: Chiefs (a), Stormers (h), Cheetahs (h), Sharks (a), Lions (h)

Sharks: Stormers (h), Lions (a), bye, Bulls (h), Cheetahs (h).

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Comments
  • Lionel - 2012-05-21 07:25

    Morning All.Firstly congrats to the WP Vodacom side,great victory!!! My take is that the next two weeks are gonna be vital for us,If we can come away with two victories it would be awesome but I will be happy with 6 points from these two games....Go Stormers.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 07:44

      shark fin soup anyone?

      Vic - 2012-05-21 08:16

      The only problem with the Stormers is that they do not know how to finish a competition. Always quick out of the starting blocks but as the competition nears conclusion, the wheels come off. They will lose to the Sharks this week-end.

      Papa-storm - 2012-05-21 08:47

      unlike the bulls we know how to deal with injuries

      Bootman - 2012-05-21 08:47

      This is like dejavu. Every week the haters come on here and tell us Stormers supporters that we are going to lose, that this will be the week that the wheels come off, that we dont have what it takes to win this comp. The funny thing is that we are winning games consistently, unlike many other SA franchises. We are not just top of the SA conference but top the overall log as well. In a semi or a final you don't have to score four tries. You simply have to score more points than the opposition and that is exactly what we have been doing. Where are the Bulls and Sharks for all the bonus points they have been scoring? Probably on there way to a possible semi in NZ or OZ. Be afraid! Be very afraid!

      henningjohn.meyer - 2012-05-21 09:09

      Bootman, at present yes the bulls and sharks is heading for a semi in NZ. But 2 weeks can make a big difference, the Sharks are playing attractive rugby at the moment. If they manage to beat the stormers there is a 10 or 8 point swap around. And I think they are capable of achieving this, especially at home. Its healthy for SA to have such tough competition between al the teams. For the SA chances to a super15 it would be benificial for the stormers to lose. This is just a neutral point of view so don't crucify me. Any diehard supporter wants their team to win though.

      John - 2012-05-21 09:23

      Yea well done WP! The Bulls are starting to unravel badly. The win against the Tahs was anything but convincing and then a loss against the depleted Landers. If the Bulls support base on this site took off their tinted pink sun glasses they will note that the bonus points they have got are from losing by less than 7 before they start shouting from the roof tops about the Stormers not getting the 4 try bonus point. If getting points for losing makes them proud that's fine but have some self respect and don't talk crap about a side that gets their points by winning consistently.

      René - 2012-05-21 09:29

      @Bootman, considering the fact that the Sharks have lost 5 games (adding the guaranteed 4 points for a bye), they will only be ONE win away equalling the Stormers point tally of 49 points, the Bulls lost 3 games and are only 2 points behind the Stormers. If your team CAN maintain what they are doing at the moment, ALL is fine. But a team who has won 10/11 games should have been sitting real pretty not worrying about anyone catching up - IF there was the occasional bonus point. The Sharks have been playing quite well lately and THEY are becoming a big threat in the SA conference. I just think from a Stormer supporter perspective, the occasional BP would have been nice since your team could have comfortably be on TOP with e.g. 55 points instead of 49 (and other teams breathing down your neck). Things are heating up quite nicely I might add.

      Ron - 2012-05-21 09:33

      Gonna be a repeat of last game against Sharks..Only this time NO late penalty to pull Stormers out of the crap.

      JouMa - 2012-05-21 11:12

      stormers are staring down the barrel .... lack of positivity from their captain and inability to score tries let alone points in second half big issues with sharks bulls and cheetahs away will be lucky to still be in the position they're in now in a months time

      Terry - 2012-05-21 11:24

      The Sharks will take the Stormers this weekend - and then all the Stormer's 'self-doubts' will come flooding back, and then they will lose to the Bulls as well. The Bulls will also lose to the Chiefs this weekend. This will open a 3 way tussle for the top spot in the SA conference. Stormers and Bulls supporters have been ignoring the threat of the Sharks ........ continue to do so at your peril.

      Saffa - 2012-05-21 11:39

      @Terry - how the frik could we take the Sharks 'threat' seriously when they were losing games they should have won and were sitting along with the other basement dwellers on the bottom of the log? They are improving and remain a threat.......BUT: they haven't exactly been consistent throughout now have they? Since 2008 the Sharks have been an underperforming S15 team - end of. With your players, one would expect you lot to do a lot better - end of.

      Marcel - 2012-05-21 12:12

      @ saffa: at least we won the currie cup twice since 2008. what did you achieve

      Stormkaap - 2012-05-21 12:19

      Notice a lot of Sharks supporters creeping out of the woodwork.. Two wins in successsion and now they are title contenders.

      Bossie - 2012-05-21 16:23

      @Marcel- for the same reason I can ask: how many vodacom cups have your team won in the last week?? Pointless argument...get it..??

  • Koos - 2012-05-21 07:34

    six points = win and a draw as the Stormers don't know how to score 4 tries in one match.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 07:41

      But they know how to win!!!!

      bernard.ingram - 2012-05-21 11:22

      .....with boring rugby, Jason.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 12:05

      So what...........they are winning!! lol haters make me laugh

  • Crapdetector - 2012-05-21 07:34

    I can't wait for 2 things. Firstly moffolos's excuses about the bulls loss and secondly for the Stormers to win AGAIN this coming weekend. Go Stormers!!!

      René - 2012-05-21 08:37

      @Crappy, fortunately I did not watch ANY rugby matches this week-end (only the Bulls game late Sunday night and I reduced the original version to a full 20 minutes) - NO excuses there, if you only play rugby for 15 minutes, you will NOT win. It is rugby not 'ping-pong'. To the Sharks supporters: Well done - I understand it was a good one To the Stormer supporters complaining about the 'snore fest' AGAIN... AC & co will do anything to win, even by hook or by crook. If they can maintain the 'winning' till the bitter end, I doubt if you will by complaining then. The team is desperate for a S15 win, they do what they do best - if it comes back and nip them in the butt later on, then start complaining... It's not attractive, but who cares????

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-21 10:38

      Crappants... Firstly if you had internet at home (like most of us) you would have seen that Tokolos did not make any excuses for the Bulls. Furthermore, Tokolos congratulated the Stormers on both the Vodacom Cup and the victory over the Waratahs. Guys like you make me say what I say on these blogs because just like now your ignorance is just exactly what you're about. You are the Stormers' newest Village Idiot!!! GO SHARKS!!!

      Crapdetector - 2012-05-21 14:16

      @moffolos. Bwha ha ha ha. Youtrying to take the high ground with your comment is hilarious with all the crap you've been talking. You crack me up. Humble pie anyone?

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-21 16:18

      Is that your best IDIOT!!!

  • my10cent - 2012-05-21 07:53

    Finishing "on top" has NEVER been a guarantee to win the season!!!

      Jason - 2012-05-21 08:03

      No it hasnt but its a good starting point!!!

  • Christopher Zoony De Croes - 2012-05-21 08:21

    Stormers to win but will another boring game to watch though . do all the scoring in 1st half & then decide to defend the next 40mins sigh

  • Shannon - 2012-05-21 08:35

    We all know the mighty bulls will take the Sa conference:) the stormers have two consecutive defeats coming up

      Anwil - 2012-05-21 18:49

      DINK J SO

  • Pieter - 2012-05-21 08:53

    Stormers gaan nie 'n moer die Sharks wen as hulle so stupid speel soos teen die Tahs nie!! Ons probeer kamstig skop rugby speel, maar ons taktiese skoppe is seker die swakste in die S15!! Wonder julle ook soos ek of die Stormers ooit 'n skopafrigter het? Ek verstaan die ou wat help met die skoppe was eers die fiksheidsafrigter?? En dan, wanneer gaan ons OOIT meer as een volle agtyerlyn beweging sien per Stormers game? Al hoekom Joe P Saterdag daai mooi drie gedruk het was omdat Jean vir Juan geskip het, want f@k weet, kan nie onthou dat ek hom onlangs sien pass het nie....

      B - 2012-05-21 12:43

      Ja/nee ons het n nr "3" probleem. Brok Harris dink hy het n "1" voor sy 3 en speel permanent senter behalwe vir skrums. Juan weer het vergeet hy het n 1 voor sy "3" en dink hy is n stut wat deur die anders pan kan hardloop - hy skrum net nie en paas nog minder! Ek is seker as Juan aan daai bal gevat het wat Joe sy drie gegee het, dan was daar nie n dire nie?

      Anwil - 2012-05-21 18:52

      sien jou punt Pieter, but have faith for once

  • mark.ross.779 - 2012-05-21 08:54

    Doesn't help that articles like this get us all excited for the weekend and its only Monday! Sharks desperately need this win, hopefully we can get the 4/5 in Jhb the weekend after, the 4 for the bye and the log is looking a lot more interesting!

  • legndkilla - 2012-05-21 09:02

    its nt gona b easy to go to the shark tank and get the points bt one thing is for certain, we will dfntly do our best ... its gna be a very entertaining match as its currently youth vs experience.... and on that i know my stormers will take it....

  • Edward - 2012-05-21 09:34

    Awsome weekend for WP rugby. The Stormers did look better on attack the first half, unfortunately the wet weather spoiled the second half, I belief they could have scored more tries if the weather played ball. It was great to see that we handled the Warathas kicking game well, no doubt that is going to be the tactics the Bulls will use in two weeks time. Things looking good, GO STORMERS!!!

  • ludrick.lesch - 2012-05-21 09:38

    As n stormer ondersteuner lyk dit nie of daar afrigting is by die stormers na rassie weg is lyk dit of daar min aan gaan daar. wonder wat sal jake white maak met die span soos die stormers. is bekomerd oor die naweek teen die shark.

      Edward - 2012-05-21 09:49

      Vir 'n span sonder afrigting gaan dit darm goed, ek is ook 'n Stormer ondersteuner. As Jake daar moet oorvat sal ons unbeatable wees!

      Angelo - 2012-05-21 13:09

      Nee ou maat, Jy kan nie 10 uit 11 games wen sonder gesonde afrigting nie! Ek kan ook nie my oe glo as ons (Stormers) so na 40 minute vergeet om te speel nie!, maar seriously jake white se gat! ek ondersteun my spanne en hulle coaches 100% al speel hulle nie na wense nie want ek weet ek sou nie n beter job kon doen nie. Ek dink jy en die res van en die fair weather stormer supporters moet maar julle Brumbie(Jake White) Supporters forms invul. Ek bly n Stromer al raak ek deesdaer vinniger bles!

      Sheldon - 2012-05-21 18:02

      Dieselfde rassie wat ons aan Sireli voorgestel het.

  • gerhardmcsa - 2012-05-21 09:48

    Wish the super15 log worked like a football league log. 3 points for a win, 0 for a loss, no bonus points on offer. 1 point each for a draw, no two each. No freebie points for not playing, just a game in hand. And no bonus points for lots of tries (goals), just goal difference. It made a difference in this years Premiership. Its just plain wrong that a team that has won 10/11 should only be a few points ahead of teams with 3 and 5 losses each. Ridiculous. I'll work out an alternative log sometime, or maybe someone with more time can do it for me?

      René - 2012-05-21 10:05

      @Gerhard, I don't agree with you. The rules apply to ALL the teams. You get awarded for scoring tries, it is after all rugby. The rules were also changed to speed up play and to bring about more tries. Rugby supporters want to see tries scored. That is what makes rugby RUGBY after all. There must be a balance between defense and attack. Don't get upset with the rules because your team only apply the defensive game plan. But like I've said previously, as long as they can maintain this, they should be OK.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 15:58

      Unfortunately the rules have also created much better defensive lines so there are not that many tries anyway!!!

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-21 17:46

      Ja ou Jason.... Always some snotty answer that makes no sense!!!

      gerhardmcsa - 2012-05-21 20:02

      Thanks for the comments,esp Rene. I'm halfway through my alternative log using footballs logpoints. The point of football is also to score goals; lots of them. But do you see 6-1 drubbings every weekend? I've seen 0-0 draws that were rivetting to watch and goalfests that leave you completley satisfied. Farce-Rabbles was 31-32, lots of tries, but quality rugbyunion?

      gerhardmcsa - 2012-05-21 20:26

      And here is the alterrnative log. A much truer reflection.\r\nStormers 30. pd74\r\nChiefs 27. 77\r\nBrumbies 21. 65\r\nBulls 24. 103\r\nCrusaders 24. 89\r\nHighlanders 24. 12\r\nSharks 21. 52\r\nReds 21. -26\r\nHurricanes 18. -7\r\nWaratahs 12. -19\r\nCheetahs 12. -26\r\nRebels 12. -83\r\nForce 6. -92\r\nBlues 6. -94\r\nLions 3. -125

  • Saffa - 2012-05-21 10:28

    Morning all (and sundry....) - Putting the S15 to the side for a little, I am seriously starting to feel a little scratchy about the upcoming Bok tests. Apart from a few Sharks forwards, Eben Etsebeth and CJ Stander(who is now injured) , the Bulls and Stormers 'hard men' all looked a little MOEG this weekend. The injury toll is mounting,and the 'last fit players' standing are starting to 'fade' at times. I would like someone to tell me HOW these players are going to survive a 3 test series against the English, and then leap straight back into the S15 and from that into the Rugby Championship series? I know Oz and the Kiwis have the same issues etc - but honestly folk, I'm not sure what type of a Bok squad Mr Meyer is going to be able to assemble come the Rugby Championship series. And no, it's not just us - the Wobblies and Kiwis are having and WILL have the same issues.....Argentina to smack a few of us in that series I reckon. Back to S15 - Stormers have to win one of the next 2 games - and I don't care how they do it. But playing 40 minutes against either the Bulls or Sharks won't be enough to beat them - we need to play for at least 50 minutes..... :) (yes that is sarcasm.....

      Morne - 2012-05-21 10:44

      I reckon we van do it in 49min....

      Paul Botha - 2012-05-21 10:45

      Cj is ok old Chap!

      Saffa - 2012-05-21 10:47

      Well that is good news for the Bulls. If Dewald P has another injury to contend with it would be tragic.

      John - 2012-05-21 11:54

      No team plays for 80 with the same intensity. All I'm asking from our boys is three good quarters versus the two we have become accustom too. Impreesive for me was AC rang the changes with no fear of loss even though the pressure was on. This says a lot for the boys. Lets hope the Sharks come out full of bravado with their usual mindset of wanting to bliksem us because this is where they start doing stupid stuff that costs them.

      bloedisblou - 2012-05-21 14:30

      my magtig, ek stem vir n' slag saam met Saffa! ons spelers word vrot gespeel maar solank die rugby base geld maak worry hulle nie. by the way, good stuff met die stormers wat bo aan die punte leer is, hulle het gewen en my geliefde bulls het verloor omdat hulle net in die laaste 5 minute wil speel. die 2de june gaan n' test match wees van formaat.

      Craven - 2012-05-21 21:04

      Yoh Tannie Saffa, jou kinders se trommelvlieste blooi seker van al die gepraatery in jul huis. Maar ek stem saam met wat Tannie hier se. Ek Sien Tannie kan gaaf wees.\r\nGroete\r\nCraven

  • bernard.ingram - 2012-05-21 11:20

    Go Bulls! Go Sharks!

  • Craven - 2012-05-21 11:30

    In maths today Mr Loots asked for an example of inverse proportionality, Riedewaan jumped up and said the size of Pierre Spies heart is inversely proportional to the size of his biceps. I could not let him get away with that (smelly little Crusader supporter) so I said the number of trophies at Newlands is inversely proportional to the desperation of the supporters. Mr Loots likes the Stompies so now I have extra homework.

      Bossie - 2012-05-21 14:44

      Bossie se tip aan Craven: Lees wat Tokolos skryf en gaan post dit dan op n ander berig.. Miskien post Tokolos nie daar nie en dan kan die ander dink jy het ook iets snaaks gepost

      BlouTokolos - 2012-05-21 16:27

      Hehehehehehe.....Good one Craven... Keep it up my friend. Don't mind the "haters"! Go Sharks!!!

      Craven - 2012-05-21 20:57

      Oom Bossie, is Oom se naam Bossie omdat A- U het baie hare op jou rug het.B- daardie tyd in die kroeg toe Oom te veel gedrink het en vir almal met n stukkende bottel gejaag het. C- A en B. Jammer Oom, Oom is seker n helse nice guy, jy steek dit net goed weg.\r\nRegards\r\nCraven\r\nP.s Oom is seker n stormer, maar moenie worry my ma is ook een.

      Bossie - 2012-05-22 13:24

      @Craven- hahahahaha jy is so oorspronklik en snaaks! Kyk of jy kan uitfigure of ek ernstig of sarkasties is...

  • Stormkaap - 2012-05-21 12:17

    Guys i am a Stormers supporter. Great, we won the VC cup and went through undefeated. We're on top of the S15 log with only one defeat. And the Bulls supporters have been completely arrogant last week when they beat the brumbies and the Tahs. As if they had already have the 2012 S15 in their trophy cabinet because they were on top of the log.. But by the same token the Stormers are on top of the log but we havent yet won anything. The game is only over until the fat lady sings..

      Sean - 2012-05-21 22:49

      @Stormkaap ( I`m not a bulls supporter ) - Over the last few weeks I`ve seen more arrogant Stormers supporters than Bulls supporters on these forums . You are right , no one has won anything yet !

  • shawn.esterhuizen - 2012-05-21 12:20

    Ek sien bonus punte kom vir die stormers in hul 2 volgende westryde, hul hou gheime wapens vir die sharks en die koeie.

      Paul Botha - 2012-05-21 12:42

      Dream on papsak!!

      Marcel - 2012-05-21 15:02

      Ja, verloor met minder as 7

      WernerZA - 2012-05-22 03:34

      Geheime wapens = catch and pass.

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-21 12:21

    I am a stormer and I would like them to win the sharks. Whether it is by a margin of 2 or 1 points. After this I would like to hear what the rest of the country has to say about bonus points and scoring tries. Winning is the objective of the game whether its attractive or not. Get that into your thick heads already.

      JouMa - 2012-05-21 15:59

      no dude thats where you're wrong!!!! all great winning every time by couple points holding on for dear life in the end but the facts are they need winning bonus points. only during knock out stages is a win any way possible good enough chiefs level on points lost 2 games bulls 2 points behind lost 3 games. a couple seasons ago wp were nowhere during currie cup season until the boks came back and went almost unbeaten 2nd round but missed out on the play offs by 1 point to the lions the stormers might not lose many more games but still find themselves playing away in semi's ........get that in your thick head

  • Richard Gouws - 2012-05-21 13:54

    Manne!!Jul al hieraan gekou?As my Bulls vrydag di Chiefs se gat skop,wt ons wel gan doen,kyk almal die Super 15 Final op Loftus!!lmklaaaaa!!Feite manne!!Maak solank julle sommetjies!!

      paul.sdoow - 2012-05-21 14:59

      and where the final if the chiefs beat the pink outfit? yes that's right we did the maths you right its newlands.

  • cf.coetzee.3 - 2012-05-21 14:07

    Ek hoop die sharks die bulls en stormers haal die uitspeel rondtes dit sal great wees!

      Sunshine - 2012-05-21 23:27

      Ja but the way the Sharks have been playing this season they'll beat the Stormers & Bulls and lose to the Lions

  • WernerZA - 2012-05-22 03:36

    Daars net een span in die kortlys met die pedigree om die koppie te vat... Class is forever.

      Bossie - 2012-05-22 13:27

      Thanks spogsog, ek het geweet jy sal bykom. Uiteindelik stem ons saam- Stormers for life!!

      WernerZA - 2012-05-22 19:07

      Lyk vir my bossie is my groupie... Volg my meer getrou as n ou skoothondjie... Met n strikkie...

  • mvw74 - 2012-05-22 08:18

    Thinking the Bulls are feeling the pressure and still have to face the Chiefs…mmm I wonder. Poor old Tokolosh has nothing to say with his cake hole to back the stats for THIS season so far…shame!

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