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Jantjes to start at fullback?

2011-06-28 10:33

Gavin Rich - SuperSport

Johannesburg - DHL Stormers coach Allister Coetzee admits that he faces a massive decision before finalising his selection, but it looks like he is going to return to his previous back-three configuration for Saturday’s Super Rugby semi-final at Newlands.

The Stormers fielded Gio Aplon at fullback last time out against the Cheetahs, which enabled that ace stepper and manufacturer of midfield breaks, Juan de Jongh, to slot into inside centre. Jean de Villiers played on the wing.

It worked a charm, for that was a game where the Stormers placed a massive accent on attack against a Cheetahs team that they feel is always a lot less effective if certain key players are forced to commit themselves to a tackling role.

Carry the ball, carry the ball and carry the ball was the mantra, almost to a ridiculous extent, for the Stormers did get caught in possession a few times in the wrong areas of the field and it might have been more problematic were they not up against a side that slipped so many tackles.

Certainly there were times in that Bloemfontein match where it was reminiscent of the days in the middle of last decade when Carel du Plessis was the coach.

The approach back then was summed up by the line “Don’t worry how many tries they score, we will just score more”. And you did get the feeling that if the Cheetahs scored 70 points, the Stormers would manage to score 78.

But Coetzee is mindful that Saturday’s clash with the mighty Crusaders is a whole different challenge form what his men faced at Vodacom Park, and as it is a semifinal he expects “finals rugby” to prevail.

Apart from which, the Stormers have done their homework on the Crusaders, not that you necessarily need to do too much homework on them to figure out that for all the great tries they score from broken play and turnover ball, kicking is a big part of their strategy.

And this is where the positionally sound Conrad Jantjes comes back into the equation.

Coetzee says he is yet to make his decision, but according to the way the Stormers ran at training on Monday, it might not be too much of a risk if you offered to take poison on Jantjes wearing the No 15 jersey against Crusaders.

Coetzee said before the Cheetahs game that the selection for that match was a horses for courses call, and this will be one too.

“The Crusaders actually kick more than they play ball in hand, and we are very aware of that, and it is one of the reasons we have called in Schalk Brits from Saracens as our loose-forward cover,” said Coetzee.

“You have to make sure that your chase and your cover is organised. And you have to have personnel to implement the plan properly. That’s why Schalk’s role is so important, he understands it, he has done it all season in England.

“Some games I watched, when Schalk was under pressure he kicked the ball 40 to 50 metres into touch. That is the type of player he is.”

Coetzee said he expected the game to be a typical knockout match, with patience being the key virtue in a contest that would probably be decided by a mistake.

“Conrad comes back heavily into consideration in this kind of game,” he agreed.

“Gio has been playing so well from behind, so it really is a difficult choice to make, and it is not an easy call. I am still looking at it and considering what our best option will be.”

But Coetzee knows that whatever he goes with will not be cast in stone, as these days rugby is a 22-man game, and if his initial selection does not work out, he has the bench men to call on should the situation demand it.

“With all these guys you can make a few changes during the game. If Connie starts at fullback, Gio can be there too, depending on the state of the game and what is needed at the time. We’ve got to back our defence, which has been really solid.

"Defence is about workrate. It’s going to be a battle for the gainline, and if you don’t get through, the halfbacks can drop into the pocket. It’s going to be a tactical game.”

SuperSport

Comments
  • gooinat - 2011-06-28 10:40

    I really dunno if this is the correct option to play Jantjies,Aplon offers so much more on attack from the back but then again Jantjies has got a big boot on him.

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-28 10:46

      Maybe its to keep Aplon fired up to come on in the right time? I'm not sure..

      docraven - 2011-06-28 10:47

      I would have played Aplon.Did not even think AC would have thought about it.

      watalife - 2011-06-28 10:48

      Howzit gooinat, fully agree and its not time for him to be changing something that works well.

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-28 10:57

      watalife, I can say one thing your coach knows his stuff, and I wouldn't mind him being the Bok coach, so if he is playing that, he is doing it for a reason, so I guess we need to trust him...

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-06-28 11:02

      Jantjies has not been very good under the high ball, I would be concerned about that if he started. And Gio's boot is quite capable as well

      watalife - 2011-06-28 11:02

      @rugu_guru. Ja i guess i must put my trust in AC. Throught the past 2 seasons i have seen the Stormers grow and even when he had all those injuries he made the right choice with replacements. The Stromers have come so far the last 2 season I would hate to see them bow out now when i has to do with one incorrect decission on one player.

      jk - 2011-06-28 11:10

      agree

      gooinat - 2011-06-28 11:17

      Maybe AC's thinking is to start Jantjies at FB and Aplon at wing 2nd half move Aplon to FB,De Jongh to centre and De Villiers to wing(starting backs against the Cheetahs),just my thoughts and oh yes morning all:):)

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:39

      I would have played him at lock or flanker. There the balls are not that high and it would be very difficult to drop them.

      Scaramouche - 2011-06-28 12:04

      Aplon is the better and more creative player, but as a back three combination it may be safer to have Conrad at 15.

      CliffB - 2011-06-28 16:16

      Marcell: Once an ass hole , always an ass hole - Thats you Marcell

      Brannas - 2011-06-28 18:02

      Mistake, keep Aplon at 15 and JDV on the wing, don't mess with something that does work.

      Frik - 2011-06-28 18:05

      Coenraad moet aftree hy is ook 'n hasbeen/never-beens soos die meeste van sy vriende by die stoffers

      Thomas - 2011-06-29 00:16

      I have said it before Jantjies brings nothing to the table that your average Currie Cup or even Vodacom Cup fullback can bring!!! His decision making is nowhere, he's too slow although he does posses a fair boot. To see a real international performence at fullback you only have to watch Lamby's one game he had agains't the Bulls!!!! If we take one fullback and a utility player to the WC, Frans Steyn and Lamby don't even bother with Kirchner!!!

  • watalife - 2011-06-28 10:42

    Having thumped the Cheetahs with a well oiled backline I wonder why he want to change it. Leave Gio on Fullback he will do fine. The Mighty Stormers will take this game and then its the Blues at home next week. I cant wait to see at packed Newlands supporting the home team to a victory.

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:40

      watatata: you better go into the archives and get one of those pre-1902 films if you want to see that!

      BlueRaven - 2011-06-28 13:33

      @watalife did I miss something? The Blues won already lol!

  • sean - 2011-06-28 10:42

    A whole lot of if's and maybe's ... if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle .... lets wait and see !

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:41

      Agree 100%, no if's or maybe's. Crusaders by 9!

      Willis Blue - 2011-06-28 14:51

      so why are you calling him your aunt?

      Oukoos - 2011-06-28 16:59

      The Bulls by 22

  • Hanjo - 2011-06-28 10:45

    no offence to Jantjies, but he simply isn't in the same league as Aplon, I would much rather have Aplon at FB, with a young Sadie or either Jean or de Jongh(de Jongh I prefer off the bench or at centre) on the wing.

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:35

      You know, I understand this is completely off the topic, but I am looking forward to see de Jongh and Sadie getting more game time together in the Currie Cup. Those boys have LOADS of talent and is the future centre pairing of the Stormers (if another union don't poach them)

      Hanjo - 2011-06-28 11:45

      couldn't agree more Fox

      Mojojo - 2011-06-28 16:13

      Hey Fox. I think the Blues can tell us all about that center pairing. Hehehe That said, I would say we should trust AC.

  • Makutu - 2011-06-28 10:47

    Why change what worked well...?

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:18

      Ja I know, it's frustrating. However, AC's been picking "horses for courses" the whole season and we made the Semi's, so I suppose there is no reason whatsoever not to show faith in our coach..

  • YB Normal - 2011-06-28 10:48

    i support the fact that Gio should start at the back, Jantjies has knocked a few to many balls lately and with a Dan carter their we need someone that is secure under the high ball. We can not afford to play in our half of the field, the crusaders are to dangerous and carter will sink us with drop goals if that is the case.

  • Explore.@24.com - 2011-06-28 10:48

    I would like to see De Jong on the wing. Steps off both feet, tackles well. How was that try he scored the last game from the wing position. You can then have a world class centre pairing with Gio at the back.

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:14

      You know, I have been saying that since the beginning of the season. The guy can finish and has pace coupled with good defence. Why have we been wasting him on the bench? Having said that I don't feel making a change of that magnitued before a semi against the Saders will be a good move at all!

      jk - 2011-06-28 11:16

      hes a centre mate, thats it

      cj - 2011-06-28 11:44

      I agree with this comment. Everybody is saying JDV and Fourie are the best centre pairing in the world. Why not keep them together and play JDJ on the wing ? He has fantastic running and stepping ability, but not the greatest distributor of the ball nor organizer of defence, certainly not in the league of JDV. 15. Aplon 14. De Jongh 11. Habana 13. Fourie 12. De Villiers. What a backline ! Dewald will as usual feed the back line quickly and cleanly. If the forwards can at least enjoy parity, and Peter Grant has a good day ( which happens only occasionally), the Stormers can win it.

  • The Goose - 2011-06-28 10:56

    Jantjies is well rested also.It is also not wise to burn out Aplon too early.

  • The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:10

    As I said in a pevious article: We need a 10 with a big boot and unfortunately Peter's pop-gun boot causes us to play way too much rugby in our own 22. It's for that reason that I think AC will bring Jantjes back into 15 and Gio on the wing - which imho is the wrong call as Jantjes no longer gets that much distance on his kicks and is solid at best at this late stage in his career while very limited on attack. I have alway believed Grant's best position is inside centre as he distributes well and is not scared to take on the defence. Nevertheless, Saturday's starting team will probably look like this: 1. Wicus Blaauw 2. Tiaan Liebenberg 3. Brok Harris 4. Rynhardt Elstadt 5. Andries Bekker 6. Schalk Burger (C) 7. Francois Louw 8. Nick Koster 9. Dewaldt Duvenage 10. Peter Grant 11. Bryan Habana 12. Jean de Villiers 13. Jaque Fourie 14. Gio Aplon 15. Conrad Jantjes

      Oukoos - 2011-06-28 17:03

      We need even more decent #1 & #3

  • Anchorman - 2011-06-28 11:10

    some very good coments not like other articles where every1 hating on each other.

      The Goose - 2011-06-28 11:20

      It is because the Bulls are out of the super 15.

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:37

      Correct Goose.. 100% correct.

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:50

      Correct, the Stormers are going out! Watch this space....!

      watalife - 2011-06-28 12:01

      @Marcell, Ja you right the Stormers will be going out Saturday, to jol after they beat the saders.

      BlueRaven - 2011-06-28 13:36

      @The Goose that is right! The Bulls are out... so what you are ACTUALLY saying is YOU guys are the envious haters. Correct?

      The Goose - 2011-06-28 14:07

      Nope.That is what YOU are saying.

      yagyah rabin - 2011-06-28 15:51

      LOL Anchorman, You were saying?

  • jk - 2011-06-28 11:12

    will keep him at 15, we need explosive sped like joe peterson, whe aplon start from back, things happen, hes got a good left boot, and good under the high ball

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 14:30

      Agree, put Jantjes on the bench then. Sadie wing (great player, great future and shown BMT, can move to centre) De Jongh bench (impact) 15 Aplon 14 Sadie 13 Fourie 12 De Villiers(can move to wing) 11 Habana 10 Grant

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 11:16

    Dearest Allistair - please make the right selections. You KNOW what they are - now please just do it. Please? That said: In Allistair I TRUST - bigtime! (and I am certain our Professiona Head coach/Director of Rugby Rassie has also been doing some 'thinking')

      gooinat - 2011-06-28 11:21

      Morning Saffa,whatever the selection is we will be behind our team 100%,whats your take: Aplon or Jantjies at FB???

      watalife - 2011-06-28 11:28

      Howzit SAFFA.... Its crunch time and they certainly can do it Saturday.

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:43

      More like Snap, Crackle and Choke!

      gooinat - 2011-06-28 11:52

      @Marcell,thats for the Bulls !!!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 11:56

      Howdy Watalife and Gooinat :) Crunchtime indeed.......I would be chuffed with Aplon at 15....(I felt he should have spent the whole season there) I am not a Jantjies fan, more due to what he DOESN'T offer on attack, more than anything else. Aplon is fine under the high ball, his positional play is fine and his boot is fine.... In Jantjies favour is his big boot though. I would still start with Aplon at 15, Juan de Jongh on the wing, and leave Jean and Jaques in the centre. (Then again if I had my way - I would dropped Habs for a few games in the round robin section and played Sadie on the other wing as well....)

      Kieron - 2011-06-28 12:13

      SAFFA I spend a fair amount of time reading what people say on News24, I've been doing so for a while now. I finally decided to become apart of the commenting today and I just want to say you are one of the few guys who's opinion I really respect, I can tell you know your rugby. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but not every opinion deserves to be heard. Yours however, is one I always look forward to. Cheers mate.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 14:46

      Cheers@Kieron. Not many would agree with you......but thanks :)

      Grunk - 2011-06-28 14:58

      Right selections - why change the wrong decision history of the whole season? To leave their best threequarter out - again - should be considered a crime against rugby lovers. How on earth can you keep Sadie out of the side??? You have to make room for the best rising star we have.

      Kieron - 2011-06-28 15:52

      @ Saffa No mate doesnt matter if they dont agree with me or not. The reason I dont comment alot is because you usually say what Im already thinking and you handle the haters very well. You're a good writter mate and a true WP man. I pride myself in WP fans like you, not blind or brash...just honest and knowledgable. With the whole Saders debate I feel we wasting our time, theres no point in debating them, its a bit of a waste of energy, right now Im hoping that our boys will just do the talking. I attend all our home games and the lowest day I've ever had as a WP fan was when the Saders beat us this year....it wasnt the loss that hurt me, it was the so called NZ fans who are by and largely from Cape Town who actually made me feel ashamed. The only way to silence them all is by beating them this Saterday. I just hope to God that there wont be any fights or savage behaviour after the game no matter who wins. Have a good one mate.

  • cj - 2011-06-28 11:17

    AC's thinking is a bit negative for my liking. Play Aplon at fullback, and see whether the Saders are brave enough to kick at him ! Instead of forcing the opponents to change their tactics, he is setting the game up according to the way they play. C'mon Allister, back the boys that have been doing it for you all season !

      jk - 2011-06-28 11:22

      ja ja ja jaaaa!, no worries sport fans, we will do it, come sat come!!

  • boyd.lance - 2011-06-28 11:21

    I reckon Jantjies should start at fullback as it would be a more sound tactical decision. If the game dictates a more attacking type of play, then Jantjies can come off with Aplon moving to FB. The same applies for Liebenberg starting at hooker and Fourie making an impact off the bench. Similarly, Schalk Brits can come on with 20 minutes to go. My personal opinion: A 1st half tactical territory approach, and then all out attack in the second half with immense impact off the bench!!

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:29

      Yes, the final 20 is going to be massive!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 11:58

      The final 20 minutes........that is when the Saders 'should' tire a little. (Just like last time...) The only difference hopefully, is that we are more accurate in the final 20 minutes of all out attack, than what we were last time, because we had plenty opportunity to win that game last time round. I can think of 8 mistakes just like that whilst we were on attack.....

  • Kok - 2011-06-28 11:37

    Die stompies gaan pak vat. Dis my 5 sent in die beursie.

      watalife - 2011-06-28 11:41

      rather keep the 5 cents for the tissues...

      gooinat - 2011-06-28 11:43

      The whole morning there has been good constructive rugby comments made by very good knowelagble people until you came along.We sincerely hope you will congratualte us next week if we beat the Saders????

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 11:43

      Jy kort 5 klappe Klein Kok ;-)

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 11:47

      Go Crusader Go! Go Crusader Go! Go Crusader Go! Crusaders by 9! Go Crusader Go! Go Crusader Go! Go Crusader Go!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 11:57

      You need a loan @kok?

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 12:13

      HAHAHAHAHA!!! @ Saffa

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 12:28

      gooinat: net vir die rekord. Ek gaan nie die game 'live' kyk nie. Ek gaan dit eers Sondag oggend(ons tyd) kyk. Ek sal dan kommentaar lewer en hopelik die Crusaders geluk wens met hul oorwinning. As dit nie die geval is nie sal ek die ander klomp geluk wens met hul span se vertoning. Al wat ek vra is 'n goeie wedstryd sonder ENIGE twyfelagtige beslissings. Crusaders by 9......hopelik :)

      Kok - 2011-06-28 12:43

      @gooinat: Nice said: "if we beat the Saders"

      Kok - 2011-06-28 12:44

      @Saffa Cat: loan for what?

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 14:32

      As usual the usual suspects F$@#%@#%k it up!! Idiots, Idiots, Idiots

      Oukoos - 2011-06-28 17:06

      @KOK, Gaan speel met jou stompie vir 'n kok

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 11:49

    We have seen how the Stormers cracked under pressure in front of a capacity crowd against the big boys- Crusaders (without key players), Reds and Bulls. Stormers do not have BMT, guts and the ability to grind it out. Saders will dominate tight phases and create platform for backs to run the right angles. Let us enjoy a game of footy on Saturday at Newlands, the home of Saders rugby.

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 12:04

      Crusader by 9! Go make us proud!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:35

      I gave you a few of my thoughts on Powerchairs Blog yesterday? I guess you didn't have an answer to what I threw in your face?

      Kok - 2011-06-28 12:45

      I fully agree Maori. This is gonna be greater than a test.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 11:56

    Coetzee is wrong- Saders has a more tactical kicking game- it is different to senseless kicking. In a semi-final, you need to play intelligent rugby, something Skalk Burger and his troops do not understand. The Saders will play for field position, build the pressure, move the ball wide and "slaan" with the strong runners. Cannot wait for match day- will be at the game after the Brisbane semi.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 12:05

    Saffa-Cat, you sound like a bitter woman. Focus on rugby and do not play the man. The channel between De Villiers and Fourie will be attacked by Robbie and Sonny with devastating results with Zac coming in on the angle. Mark my words. De Villiers is suspect on defence. Stormers are going to miss the abrasiveness of January around the fringes.

      Marcell - 2011-06-28 12:11

      What you'll see is some high tackles by De Villiers when Robbie and Sonny attack the channel between De Villiers and Fourie. That is the only way he knows because he is to slow.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:35

      Pseudo-Maori: You should have answered me on Powerchairs blog. I am going to repost your comment with mine - then you can answer me capiche?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:40

      @Maori - please comment on the few things I asked of you very politely yesterday? Your comment:Dear all, I fail to understand the debate regarding our support for the Crusaders and All Blacks in Cape Town. The test for supporting a team is not based on the country of your birth, your domicile or residential address. Rugby remains a political hot potato in this country and the lack of meaningful transformation is indicative thereof. In reading the comments on the social media, it remains clear that South African rugby is still stuck in the pre-94 era and being supported by closet racists. We do support the Saders and AB for a number of reasons, including, but not limited to being dignified sportsmen and professionals. To equate our support with low levels of education confirms the fact that some Afrikaner supporters must still accept a constitutional democracy (unless they do not understand such concept). It has everything to do with the narrow view of SA views on rugby for all. It is difficult to engage in this low level of intellectual debate. Allow us to support our beloved All Blacks and NZ Super rugby teams as we will continue to do so despite your ill-conceived opinions. We will see you at the game on Saturday (If you need financial support to attend, please request a company loan at your used car dealership). We will be at Newlands on Saturday, the home of CRUSADERS rugby

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:41

      @Maori - and MY REPLY WAS: I respect your right to support whomever you want. No issues with that at all. But allow me to assist you: 1) You are not a Maori - you are what I would term a pseudo-Maori (in mind only). 2) Newlands is NOT the home of the Crusaders - you speak of RESPECT, yet you refuse to aknowledge the home of Western Province rugby? 3) You speak of 'low mentality' yet make a comment about 'loaning a company car' from our (sic) employers? 4) You mention the constitution and all manner of rights - yet you blatantly disrespect mine without breaking a sweat? 5) You mention ONLY the Afrikaner in your rant - what about the English people who found the behaviour of a few Sader fans distasteful to say the least. What about the brown, black and yellow Stormer fans who also lashed out at a few of you chaps? I find it 'interesting' that you would choose to focus ONLY on the Afrikaner...... 6) I too will be at Newlands - THE HISTORICAL HOME OF RUGBY IN SA, AND HOME OF THE DHL STORMERS....You are a guest at OUR stadium...not vice-versa...and I reckon if you can at least respect that Mr Maori Man, we wouldn't even be having this little debate now would we????????????????????

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:42

      Now @Marcell - you might see that Maori is attacking your Afrikanerdom pretty 'angrily" in his comment....yet you still simper around him and suck up? Just because you can't handle a Stormers win? Marcell Marcell Marcell..........tsk tsk.

      Kok - 2011-06-28 12:54

      @Saffa-cat: Why is this so a hot debate? Do you see we ever ask questions on why here are so many Bulls supporters in Cape Town? Please, explain to me why is this so a painful matter for you?

      Raka13 - 2011-06-28 13:37

      @Kok - you must be one of the most short sighted people ever to comment on this blog @Maori - you have no sight

      BlueRaven - 2011-06-28 13:48

      @SAFFA GREAT response, RESPECT!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 14:12

      @KOK - because I have never seen Bulls fans spit at Juan de Jongh before.....nor have I seen a Bulls fan aggressively approach Jaque Fourie, whilst heckling him. I was THERE tosspot. I was right next to Juan de Jongh. This was a few hours after the game, after the functions etc at the stadium(as if the behaviour from the Sader fans was ANY better before the game - pffffffffffft) There were still HUGE numbers of Sader fans 'hanging around' the front of the stadium when we were all leaving. If I saw a Bulls fans do that to ANY Stormer player, I reckon I would be whinging about it on here as well. Capiche?

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 14:47

      Well said Saffa. I really doubt any response from Maori. He will deny all your comments and continue believing his own agenda. He should rather support the "Maori" boys in our team (if that is what he is getting at - not sure). @kok - if you dont understand our "pickle" then you are even thicker than I gave you credit for

      Kok - 2011-06-28 15:01

      Unfortunately, I cannot comment on the so-called bad behaviour of the Crusaders fans, because i wasn't there to see it. So, is our "bad behaviour" the only reason you hate us as much as you do? Raka13 and GreyB, stay out of the discussion. You were not invited to participate.

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 15:08

      @Kok, You really are thick. You honestly think only bad behaviour is the problem. The problem is VERY much deeper than that. Why are you so interested in this anyway? By the way, what are you doing on a SA forum. Go chat on the NZ blogs.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 15:16

      @Kok - There are very few things I "hate" mate. I 'hate' animal abusers, corruption, exploitation, spicy foods and bubble-gum pop music. I think the word you could be looking for is "irritate". You should have asked me: "Is this the only reason we 'irritate' you so much Saffa-Cat?".

      Kok - 2011-06-28 15:16

      GreyB - Looks like you are the thick one here. I am interested to know, because I want to know why do you hate us (NZ rugby supporters) so much. Why????

      Kok - 2011-06-28 15:20

      No Saffa-cat. You guys hate us.

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 15:22

      @ Kok, Why use such a strong word. We dont hate! We love! Must I spell it out? Seems you havent read the comments thoroughly. Please read it again. Slowly. Then one clue: How many local Stormers are there in Christchurch? And then also why are they Stormers supporters. Its not because, but why.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 15:33

      And to add @Kok - it is the sense of 'entitlement' many of you Sader fans exhibit, that makes me "tetchy". If you fail to understand what I am referring to, I suggest you go and re-read Maoris comments with regard to Newlands being the home of the Crusader rugby, South African rugby supporters being closet racists.....etc etc etc. Entitlement and ignorance with huge doses of arrogance thrown in, is NOT a tasty dish - regardless of how anyone slices and dices it (and sadly, that is what I have encountered with most Caped Crusaders....) I have a friend from Rylands, who is a Caped Crusader, for all the RIGHT reasons, yet he and his family refuse to be associated with the larger group of Caped Crusaders - I wonder why?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 15:54

      @Kok - if you call what I feel for you chaps hate - fine by me - that is your assumption, not my words.

      Kok - 2011-06-28 17:03

      @Saffa-cat: And if you call our allegiance with the All Blacks, politically driven, then that's your assumption and not my words.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 12:25

    All these Stormer fans (not supporters) left the game before the final whistle on 07 May - could not stomach the sight of their team losing while hurling racial abuse at Cape Sader supporters. Saders will know that Grant will be a weak link and by not providing him and the backs with front foot ball will disrupt their pattern. I heard rumours that Sonny Bill will start at flank with Reid and Richie.

      The_Fox - 2011-06-28 12:54

      Well, you obviously have all the answers don't you? let's wait and see.

      MaestroX - 2011-06-28 17:39

      No Maori, we respect teams that can beat us and we salute great players the likes of Carter, Sonny Bill and Richie, what we can't stomach is low life’s like you who can't support their own nation. It’s so easy just to say you support the Crusaders because you like their style, it’s got more to do with your image, you just think by supporting them you are as much of a winner, when in fact the opposite is more the case. You like Kok are sad little individuals who crave success but the only way you can achieve it is to turn your back on your own people, your own country so you can pretend to be happy when the Crusaders win. You are both so pathetic. I can’t believe you would support the Crusaders, however to support the All Blacks, that take you down to a new level, but then humans are funny animals and unfortunately some are born with abnormalities or deformities, smaller brains, brains that don’t operate too well, so I guess it’s kind of normal that so many of your kind in “The Plain” support them. After all 90% of you probably had mothers who drank a little too much of the purple liquid, thinking if they filtered it through bread it would help! Only problem is all of them ate the bread the next morning when they woke up from their comas!! Shame, goodluck with life, must be so hard living with a chip the size of Table mountain on your shoulders, poor little twats, my heart bleeds lumpy F^&(*&@ custard for you losers.

  • BENNA - 2011-06-28 12:43

    If Conrad Jantes are selected in the starting line-up I will as sure as hell is be supporting the Crusaders Saturday. This is preposterous and every time has been proven as the bad apple in the no 15 position, especially when playing against world class player in the no 10 position such as Dan Carter. He will annihilate Jantjes and expose our weakness. I just pray that the coaching staff do not make this blunder again

      rugby_guru - 2011-06-28 12:57

      Wow!! Amazing, because a player starts ahead of someone due to the coaches right to play who ever he wants were ever he wants you now going to support the Saders.. Very mature, and I understand exactly what you saying...

      BlueRaven - 2011-06-28 16:38

      @BENNA I wonder, do you also switch teams every time they loose?

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-06-28 20:16

      The Crusaders pose no threat to the Stormers' cup chances

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 12:44

    Saffa-Cat, I do not engage in low levels of intellectual debate in ideology. I have made my statement and do not owe you, or any other person, any explanation for my view. In case you expected (or instructed) me to answer, sorry baas, I will not. You do not have to agree with it. It is in the open and now I focus on footy - the beautiful game. Do you think the Stormers can put a fight against the Saders? If so, why do you say that? If not, I thought so.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 12:57

      Oh grow up @Maori. You made a few NOBLE statements.......about respect and the sort - then acted in an opposite manner. And now you become petulant? Because your ideology has been questioned? So you may attack - others not? That's fair.......... With regard to rugby. If you have been on these forums longer than a day - you might know what I would answer RE: your rugby related questions... See you at the game on Saturday. DHL NEWLANDS - Home of the Stormers.

  • Kok - 2011-06-28 12:55

    Please pick Jantjies. Plz!!!!! It will be difficult for Zac and Maitland to run around Gio, but jantjies will be a walk in the park.

      Maori - 2011-06-28 13:15

      Mr Kok, running through small Aplon will be easier. The last time Sonny Bill smothered him and won a turnover ball. We are going to paint Newlands red coming Saturday!

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 14:50

      @maori, nice one, supporting your "transformed" boys. How does it feel?

      Kok - 2011-06-28 15:03

      Oh ja!! Thanks for that perspective Maori

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 13:00

    Saffa-Cat, the mistakes the Stormers made last time came as a result of pressure by the Saders. The Saders are clinical in their execution, but made some fatal errors in recent games.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-06-28 13:15

      If you think Daniel Carter is in the form of his life at the moment, you are mistaken. If you think Richie McAw will be better than Matt Todd - you are mistaken. If Keiran can't play due to his ankle, Richie will start (cos u need a captain) - but that dear friend, would suit the Stormers FAR MORE. You think not having Todd and Reed on the field works in the Saders favour? Cool.....I don't see it that way at all. Todd and Reed are integral to the Saders efforts - more so than Richie (at this stage) If I were a Sader - I would rather have Todd and Reed on the park - and Richie on the bench. I would also hope that Dan Carter found some of his usual confidence and flair.........it has been sorely missing.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 13:39

    Carter has BMT and will be his old self coming Saturday. Imagine the havoc Richie will wreak when he comes off the bench! Todd is a revelation this season and the ideal deputy to big Richie. It remains a classy outfit who made the semi-final in the face of huge challenges. They will bring a passionate display of rugby irrespective of the starting line-up. In the Saders, we have 22 warriors going to war and will set the tone for the final in Brisbane.

  • abe1wp - 2011-06-28 13:51

    Bring Jantjies back, move Aplon to the wing, Jean to centre and Juan to the bench. The other issue that we must not forget is SBW and Jean has tamed him nicely in the last game. I would like to see Juan play against him and step him deurmekaar but the stakes is too high. Play the most experienced centre pair and play safe at the back. Otherwise drop Habana and play Sadie with Jantjies at the back.

      Maori - 2011-06-28 14:05

      Abe, what game did you watch on 07 May? When did De Villiers tame SBW? When SBW created the off-load that led to the try? Or the time when SBW ran over De Villiers and, with the help of the others, managed to bring SBW down? De Villiers is suspect on defence. You cannot ask Juan to step if he does not have ball possession? Depriving the Stormers of ball possession and play territorially will be key to the Saders game plan. Robbie will teach Juan a lesson in stepping. You know Juan is predictable, always stepping inside and the channel gets closed in each game. Please, focus on SBW and do so at you own peril. You need to understand that SBW create channels for the other quickies (Sean, Zac, Robbie, DC, Israel, Ben Franks) to run in. That is the beauty of the game. Intelligent rugby, not stampkar. Yeah right, at the end, it is about the score board.

  • Spindoc - 2011-06-28 14:38

    ..please no wake me from my dream..Jantjies has not advanced over the gainline since his return from his horific injury.He is suspect under the high ball and only knows one thing when he does hold onto the ball...Kick...normally without any real plan.....no Aplon is the MAN..he is dangerous!!!!

  • BENNA - 2011-06-28 14:48

    TO rugby_ghuru. Sorry man. Sounds wild but I have been watching Conrad’s progress since his return from injury with keen interest and he really is not on to par. Everybody sees him catching the up and unders. His positional play is also suspect and I do not even talk about his tackling. His positional kicking is also not accurate. What people do not see is what happens after he got the ball. 70% of him going to ground after the contact is lost to the opposition or he gives away the penalty for holding. This will be disastrous against an outfit like the Crusaders. What he needed was more Vodacom rugby before Super rugby to gradually return from the terrible injury.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 15:22

    Saffa-Cat, as I said, your drivel does not require any response. In any case, who give you the right to classify or re-classify me? Old habits do not die, hey? I suffer from no identity crisis and you guys hate our guts to stand for what we believe it. Once again, no need to agree. Ask Skalkie how does it feel when the Saders come to Newlands. In that sense, it is the home of the Saders and no disrespect shown. It is the truth. Comments hurled at us last time show low class, mentality and a poor upbringing. Lets face it, soem Stormer supporters have no class. In my view, rugby remains the last "hope" of Afrikaner power after losing political power. I cannot repeat the abuse these Afrikaner folk dished out (during and after the game) hence my strong views on their character. Rugby is such a politicised issue and contribute to their political uncertainty and future. In my next meeting with Julius, I will recommend the nationalisation of rugby after the mines (lol). We are not guests at Newlands- we belong there as with any paying spectator. It is a cliche that respect is earned- it is not conferred on special people like Saffa-Cat. I will be the first to congrats the Stormers or any other team on winning the Saders in the spirit of the game. Having said that, it does not mean that we will crack under your pressure, comments or that of SA Rugby to support the Saders. We have been supporting them for years and years to come. Good night and see you at the game on Saturday.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 15:38

    Mr Kok, these guys hate our guts! They want to tell us what to do, who to support, how to support and why we must support their team. We will support whoever we want to support. In their minds, they know what is good for us and what not. They do not want us at Newlands - but we will be there, in full force. Raka and GreyB, your comments(or lack thereof) reminds me of those shallow fans at Newlands - want to say somehing, but no ability to do so.

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 16:00

      @ Kok & Maori, Why are you on this blog? This is an article about Jantjes. Surely if you were a true Crusaders fan you would want to stick to NZ websites that propote Crusaders' game, not so. My guess is you are here for another agenda. Not sure what it is, but it is probably the same reason why you are a crusader and not a south african team supporter. Please just be honest about it. I am here because I love rugby, love the Stormers, Love the Boks and Love South Africa and everyone in it. You where the ones that brought up the "hate" word. I would love to hear from you guys

      Kok - 2011-06-28 17:05

      Yep Maori. They hate us for our gutes and the fact that we don't submit to them like our forefathers did. That time is over.

      Kok - 2011-06-28 17:07

      @Ignorant Grey B - 1.) This blog is open for everyone reading the articles. No where is is said that it's only for SA teams supporters 2.) This article relates to the upcoming semi final in which the mighty, awesome Crusaders are involve. So. it's my right to be on this blog and comment on the article.

      Grey B - 2011-06-29 09:12

      @ Kok, please just be honest - not to me but to yourself. Two senarios below: Surely if you comment on a South African article related to a south african Player in Jantjes you would expect to feel at home as a south African Supporter? Not so Surely if you comment on a NZ article related to a NZ Player you would expect to feel at home as a NZ Supporter? Not so If I go and blog on NZ websites the way you do here, do you think I would get the same treatment? Do you understand now?

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 15:45

    Johan, only a jerk recognise another jerk. Thanks for the compliment, anyway. Do not be surprised to see Newlands in red coming Saturday - we are organising, mobilising, strategising and mezmerising at the Sader's home ground.

  • popeye - 2011-06-28 15:50

    Viva Crusaders... Nooit in my lewe support ek 'n WP of Stormers span. Julle ligte word saterdag afgesit.

      Maori - 2011-06-28 15:54

      So 'n bek moet jam kry! En dan 'n chip roll met spinasie!

      Kok - 2011-06-28 17:03

      En peanut butter

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 15:59

    Kieron, do not keep on Saffa-Cat's skirt. Very dangerous when you play with fire. Be a man, speak your mind and enjoy the game.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 16:07

    Grey B, you just do not get it - we owe you no explanation. Accept it and deal with it. We can blog wherever we want to - that is the freedom we have. Stop being so thick.

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 16:11

      With that attitude, how can anyone move forward.

      Grey B - 2011-06-28 16:14

      No wonder you feel that you are stuck in pre'94.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 16:16

    Saffa-Cat, your reference to "entitlement" is used out of context. The only thing we are entitled to is to support the team we want to support. My comments can never be construed as a quest for entitlement -People support the Saders for a number of reasons - good on your friend and I hope the Saders make his sporting weekend.

  • Maori - 2011-06-28 18:52

    Wow MaestroX, you are one kind of a sick person. You are full of bitterness and yes, I'm proudly SA, fought for this freedom while you benefited from a sick system. Even when we do stay in the Plain, it does not make us second class citizens as you believe it should be. We will be on the Grand Stands, in the suites and all over Newlands. Your generalised statements are noted and reflect your flawed reasoning. Probably an admin assistant at Shoprite.

  • Watch Dog - 2011-06-28 19:09

    Gio would not have scored the try against the Cheetas if he was on the right wing and Jantjes would not have scored that night from that position if he was the fullback. Jantjes is just to slow and Aplon is absolute class on fullback. Stupid move to move Gio away from fullback. Enough other options available for wing

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