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Butch suspended for 4 weeks

2011-06-16 13:39

Cape Town - Lions flyhalf Butch James has been suspended for four weeks after being found guilty of dangerous play.

James faced a SANZAR judicial hearing in Johannesburg on Wednesday after being cited for a dangerous high tackle on Sharks flank Keegan Daniel in a Super Rugby match last weekend.

SANZAR judicial officer, Rob Stelzner found James guilty of contravening Law 10.4 (e) and classified the offence as mid-range.

As the Lions have a bye in the final round of the Super Rugby tournament, Stelzner, in terms of Regulation 17, has ruled that the commencement of the sanction be deferred to Monday 20 June.

James is therefore effectively suspended from all rugby up to and including 17 July 2011.
 

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Comments
  • Marcell - 2011-06-16 13:49

    Dis nou onnodig baie. Dit was dan so mooi om te sien hoe Daniel's sy eie medisyne kry.

      Yoni - 2011-06-16 14:13

      Ain't Life a Butch...

  • MacRight - 2011-06-16 13:53

    What a satifacory ruling. James' malicious stiff-arm tackle could just have ruled out Keagan Daniel from ever continuing in his profession. These dangerous tackles have no place in the sport and I was very surprised that the referee "Blue Bull" Lawrence did not give James a red card which was deserving in this case.

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-06-16 14:41

      If referees were consistent in their rulings and watched all players with the same amount of attention they would find a lot more "high tackles". Can't help but feel that James is being targeted.

      Bravo - 2011-06-16 16:46

      Yeah, right - Keegan Daniel is quite the choir boy I guess

      Danie - 2011-06-16 19:54

      Daniel never playing again What a nice thought

  • Met Uysh! - 2011-06-16 13:54

    The inconsistency baffles me. If that was ruled as a red card offense, I just do not know anymore. We certainly saw many uncited red cards in this tournament, and will see many more. A yellow card was sufficient. A four week ban? Rediculous.

      René Müller - 2011-06-16 14:14

      Met Uysh, Got to agree, why bother with 'hearings'. Rather get 3 hats, 1 for SA, 1 for Aus and 1 for NZ. The SA hat has got draws anything from 4 - 8 weeks in it, the Aus and NZ have got 1 card in it with only 1 week ban irrespective of the offense! It will save a lot of time! What a joke!!! Doesn't help to complain either, the clowns of SANZAR aint listening anyway!

      Ace Ventura - 2011-06-16 14:36

      And Butch doesn't even have a history of foul play.

      Met Uysh! - 2011-06-16 14:50

      Yeah...right...I mean he last played in the Super rugby like, 2007? He should have a clean slate by now.

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-06-16 15:08

      At the time, I didn't think it was too bad...yes it was high, but unfortunately, Butch's reputation precedes him!

      radar - 2011-06-16 16:19

      Ban Butch James for 4 years, not 4 games - he is a serial offender and seldom ever plays by the rules. He was exactly the same when he played for the Sharks - as a Sharks supporter he really issed me off the way in which he effectively "cheated" on teh rugby field with all his illegal antics. He thinks he is a tough man - anyone can tackle with only the shoulders and make illegal hits when his oppenent is not looking. He is a thug and thugs should be banned from the game. If you want to watch a fair and hard tackler who always played by the rules, then there is no other than Henry "Lem" Honiball. Butch James could not carry his jock strap when it came being a great tackler and tough guy!!

      GraemeBB - 2011-06-16 23:05

      @Uysh - I agree that this is too harsh! Butch is a serial offender though. He frustrates me with this crap! But, all said and done, I must ask which was worse - Nonu's shoulder charge on Cowan, or this? It speaks volumes on how we are treated!

  • scfenn - 2011-06-16 13:57

    not long enough for someone who is a eeeefffffffing bleep and should not be allowed to play rugby

  • Braai Master - 2011-06-16 14:00

    Is he playing rock-paper-scissors or rygby? -not his best photo

      Ace Ventura - 2011-06-16 14:37

      I don't think he has a best photo.

      Met Uysh! - 2011-06-16 14:41

      That was his expression after hearing the sentence.

  • CobaltZulu - 2011-06-16 14:09

    Again pretty poor judgement here the yellow should have sufficed. He hit him high and hard agreed but Daniel had also just been tackled and was on the way down which exacerbated the tackle. Now had that been SBW or Nonu or Giteau or McCaw there would more than likely not have even been a penalty let alone a yellow or ban

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-06-16 14:38

      Also rugby is a mobile game. What is normal height one moment can quickly become a high tackle depending on the situation. These refs should also stop playing the player but the ball.

      Flemjob - 2011-06-16 15:29

      He could have pulled out of the tackle at any time. Stop crying about unfair treatment, you're making the entire countries name arse.

      radar - 2011-06-16 16:23

      His tackle against Stefan Terreblanche was also illegal - no arms used. This jerk should be banned from rugby for life - a disgrace of a role model for young kids playing the game. Make an example of him once and for all and banish him to the rubbish heap where he belongs!!!

      sonnyg - 2011-06-17 08:05

      Yip, SBW shoulder charge into Kano's head was just as dangerous. I really dont understand why it is so hard to get consitency in the citing and suspension process. Surely SBW & James tackles are exactly the same offence, a high dangerous tackle.

  • Zion - 2011-06-16 14:11

    It is no use crying over spilt milk. Butch James, like many others, are the architects of their own doings. Dirty play is premeditated and not just an impulse of the moment. In many cases the character of the team and coach has an effect on the players to this end. An outcome like this is only fair and was expected.

      Ace Ventura - 2011-06-16 14:38

      Your comment doesn't carry water if you take into consideration Duane Vermeulen and Schalk Burger.

      louis botha - 2011-06-16 15:29

      only when justice is applied equaly what about Scalck Burger late tackle and also dangerous not aword said and before he became captian he played like Butch but no you can not suspend a captian what example will that set.

      Flemjob - 2011-06-16 15:31

      There's a lot of SA players that need to clean up their act. And fans need to stop saying they're being treated unfairly. We have the dirtiest players in the world, finding excuses for them isn't helping.

      Zion - 2011-06-16 16:24

      If you guys decide to reread the article it will be seen that it is about Butch James not those you mentioned. If those you mentioned were to receive a suspension for any period I would agree with that too. I am not team bound hence biased as many of you are. Why don't you just accept the guy got what he was looki9ng for.

      GraemeBB - 2011-06-16 23:13

      @Zion - one must draw parallels to determine fair and just treatment. People like SBW and Schalk have often used shoulder charges, and havent even recieved yellow. Fair comments, and good for debate, irrespective of the above content. Yes, Butch deserves his punishment. I feel that consistant judgements will resolve the problems on the field, and these debates wont be raised.

  • Martin - 2011-06-16 14:13

    No surprises for a guy who learned his rugby amongst natal surfer daggakoppies instead of among boerseuns where they would have bl1ksem his high tackle nonsense out of him at an early age!

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-06-16 15:07

      not sure why they deleted my reply? the only boerseuns I've ever seen blksm people are the ones that are 1) bigger than the person they're picking on or 2) when they have 10 of their mates to back them up. one on one they're total cowards

      Martin - 2011-06-16 16:02

      @ Obama, and your point is?

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-06-16 17:00

      Do I need to translate it into grunts and clicks so you can understand?

      Danie - 2011-06-16 19:57

      Obama you are so obvious a shark supporter

      GraemeBB - 2011-06-16 23:16

      Obama - got donnered lately? Shame. Poor post, and dont care - "they obviously didnt do a good job.

  • wpfan - 2011-06-16 14:28

    This citing system really does not work. Butch is not going to miss a single game (as he is not playing in the CC anyway). Why must this supensions be on weekly basis. Better suspend a player for games. Like 4 S15 games or 4 international games (when the incidence happens in an int. game).

      Bandleader - 2011-06-16 18:07

      Agree. A ban is only effective if it hurts to serve as a deterrent. The inconsistency in citing and bans is difficult to understand, though.

  • Steve Wonderboy - 2011-06-16 14:34

    Once again the rugby officials show their discrimination when it comes to certain players. He can just as well play with one big target on his head for all the difference it makes with the refs. Would like to see McCaw get the same attention.

      Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-06-16 19:18

      The differemce between Butcher sorry Butch and Richie, Ritchie is a MASTER

  • G8 - 2011-06-16 14:50

    The incident was somewhat in the same vein as Michael Rhodes, albeit to a lesser degree of malice. This in mind, I would say there is consistency in this regard. Butch has a very long ugly record of foul play, and this surely also played a factor in the ruling. All said though, it is very unfortunate that there does appear to be a glaring difference between rulings across the competition. Far too many obvious incidents has passed by unpunished, or at the very least, lightly punished. As far as Butch himself though, I am afraid that he honestly does not deserve a place among the Bok squad. There is no further opportunity for him to prove his worth either, so in my opinion, leave him at home. For those that argue his influence on the Lions, although a valid point, please note they showed signs of improvement before he arrived or ever stepped into the field of play. His experience would have been a huge factor in the Lions decision to contract him, but the Boks are not as inexperienced as the Lions, and do not need his 'experienced' influence. Big fish in a small pond, look very small when placed in a ocean.

  • powachair - 2011-06-16 15:16

    The inconsistency of the citings and the severity of the penalties borders on the ridiculous. A player throws a series of punches after a head high tackle is exonerated but Butch gets a yellow and 4 weeks. There's a problem with the judicial system. It stinks. Dirty play has no place in rugby and must be stamped out but be consistent in the punishment

      CobaltZulu - 2011-06-16 15:55

      Agree wholeheartedly, SBW before he cried off with a tiny knock to the hip last Saturday was guilty of 3 shoulder only tackles, all commented on by the commentators and for full open and public viewing so as by some miracle the refs had missed them the citing commissioner should have seen them yet not one penalty never mind a card or citing or ban. Definitely 1 rule for 1 and 1 rule for another.

  • Pieter - 2011-06-16 15:56

    I hope that rules him out of the test side and world cup. He wil cost us the game.

      CP - 2011-06-17 07:41

      I hope so too!

  • Roy - 2011-06-16 16:05

    Is that all he got? This guy is an out & out dirty player and should have got a life ban.Let's hope that the SA coach takes note that James could be the one to cause us the loss of the World Cup and keep him out of the Springbok setup.I wonder if these players Graham Smith,Butch James,Bakkies Botha etc etc read what sporting fans think of them?

      radar - 2011-06-16 16:31

      Well said Roy. Time to clean up the game and no place for these thugs - what message are we sending to the youth by allowing these thugs to continue to play teh game!!

      Zion - 2011-06-16 16:40

      Roy, How old is the game of rugby? When the game is analysed it will be seen as chaos in motion. At any given time a loose ruck or scrum is total chaos. A line out may seem the answer to get the ball back into play and were it the perfect solution then soccer will also have line-outs. Line-outs are the starting point, like scrums for dirty play. You need just look at the ball used to see the comedy in the game. As for dirty play: Well Mertens, one of rugby's greatest players claimed that South African rugby is the dirtiest in the world. There is a similar comment above. We are proud of that fact because it means we can just blixem with impunity. When I was in school we were taught and encourage to play dirty. Off the field you were blixemed by your own team mates if you did not blixem enough on the field. It was the manne thing to do. Nothing has changed.

  • 106SA - 2011-06-16 16:32

    Good!!!Idiot!!!!!!

  • Maarten - 2011-06-16 16:57

    Sorry Butch, but you deserve it!

  • PajeroMan - 2011-06-16 17:30

    @radar its rugby! high tackles happen...even SBW has put in a few shoulders and not even got a card? Yes Butch is known for his "high" tackles but four weeks is too much. To say he isn't a hard man or tough is just stupid...Sharks Supporter

      radar - 2011-06-16 17:45

      @PajeroMan. Butch James is a serial offender. Yes there are high tackle, but James's offences are pre-meditated and he is simply a dirty player. Same with SBW - he should be sin biined every time it is a shoulder charge and then sited after the game. He should have already been suspended for his illegal play. But Butch James is a disgrace to the game. As a Sharks supporter I hated him in the black and white as I knew he was cheating and only had intent to harm the opposition. Rugby is about skill, speed, power and strength, game plans - thuggery is for criminals!!! Lets view rugby as a sport and ensure the players perform within the rules.

      PajeroMan - 2011-06-16 18:40

      After watching the video, has anyone else noticed how Beast walks over and grabs Butch around the throat?! Brilliant!

  • Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-06-16 19:28

    Deffiniately the incorrect fine. That should have been 4 months. Butch still cannot tackle, how many penalties did'nt he conceed in the passed already. When is he going to listen!!!! IDIOT.

  • Hein - 2011-06-16 19:36

    People have short memories.... Butch James was one of the big heroes of the previous World Cup - he literally did not put a foot wrong and was a pillar of strength. He was a great team man - without his remarkable contribution we would not have lifted the World Cup. He has cleaned up his act since the dark days in which he was regularly involved in such incidents. The tackle was unfortunate and dangerous, but there were mitigating circumstances as Keegan Daniel's was busy changing direction and it was an impulse movement. 4 weeks is ridiculously harsh...

      Roy - 2011-06-17 06:25

      How easy it seems to make excuses for dirty play(ers).Referees should apply all laws strictly and if something like this happens,any player should be "red-carded"When things like this happen it makes one lose interest in sport because these players earn big money and should be an example to our young sportsman.

      Zion - 2011-06-17 07:00

      Hein, that was in history. We have to make do with what we have today, History is past and done with.

      PajeroMan - 2011-06-17 09:14

      I couldn't agree with you more Hein!

  • OZNOB - 2011-06-16 20:28

    For a repeat offender he got off too lightly and is sending the wrong message to other payers who might have thought otherwise

  • Hennie van Staden - 2011-06-16 20:36

    If referees were consistent in their rulings and watched all players with the same amount of attention, specialy Keegan himself earlier in the game, pointed out by ass-Ref , only a penalty was given, It is quiet obvious that Refs do have a interest in the games and in this case obvious that ref helped Sharks to a draw.

  • Dawie - 2011-06-16 22:35

    The only time this type of play is permitted is when it's done against the bulls.............

  • Viv - 2011-06-17 08:14

    Fantastic - great buy hey Lions. This is exactly what dumb Butch will do in RWC if he is allowed to play. He is a moron and should not be in the Bok team at all.

  • MazelTov - 2011-06-17 13:54

    A really useful acquisition for the Lions, ol' Butch has proven to be....har har. How many more past-their-prime-put-them-out-to-pasture geezers can they regurgitate?

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