Bulls props' stocks may soar

2011-07-04 17:45

Rob Houwing, Sport24 chief writer

Cape Town - They often speak in sporting parlance of "good matches to miss".

So perhaps in narrowly failing to reach the Vodacom Super Rugby finals series, a few Bulls players - most notably in the front row - indirectly boosted their credentials for Springbok selection this year.

That is because they handily staved off the possible indignity of taking a pounding at the hands of a Crusaders outfit who truly blitzed the Sharks and then the Stormers, particularly, at scrum-time over successive weekends of knockout rugby.

The Crusaders' front rank of loosehead prop Wyatt Crockett, hooker Corey Flynn and brothers Owen and Ben Franks at tighthead were highly influential in providing groundwork for both near-crushing victories, which powered the Cantabrians into yet another final.

Simultaneously, they effectively bloodied the noses of first the Springbok-laden Sharks starting front row of Tendai Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis and Jannie du Plessis, and then feasted to an even greater degree on Stormers troopers like Wicus Blaauw, Tiaan Liebenberg and Brok Harris.

It is true that in the latter case, they were not up against any members of the current, broad Bok "preparatory squad" but there would have been some national nervousness over the Sharks combo clearly playing second fiddle to opponents who must all come strongly into the All Black reckoning in this World Cup year.

Indeed, it is a little disconcerting that some of the quartet of Crusaders powerhouses can't even be regarded as certainties for All Blacks starts whenever they go the full-strength route this year - Flynn, for instance, would have to elbow out a senior, established Test star like the Blues' Keven Mealamu for the hooker spot, with Andrew Hore and Hika Elliot arguably also still a whisker ahead of him in the pecking order.

Crockett, meanwhile, will probably only be the first-choice No 1 if incumbent Tony Woodcock fails to recover from injury in time for the World Cup: it seems he is touch and go for the tournament.

But for Bulls players like loosehead props Gurthro Steenkamp and Dean Greyling, and tighthead Werner Kruger - all part of the Bok training party, as things stand - a fortnight of inactivity with the ousted 2010 champions has probably only advanced their national claims, given the educative scrummaging woes experienced of late by the Sharks and Stormers packs.

Toulouse-bound Steenkamp was always going to be a fairly compelling candidate anyway, assuming that he is now close to full fitness after breaking his arm much earlier in the campaign - he is South Africa's player of the year, based on last season.

But his absence for many weeks also gave franchise understudy Greyling an opportunity to show his worth, and he proved anything but a weak link, not just with his forceful use of his hefty, 128kg frame in open play but as a budding factor in the scrums as well.

Then there is Kruger: the unassuming, no-fuss No 3 has been one of the biggest improvers this winter in a domestic landscape admittedly very scarce in top-notch tightheads.

While not exactly a "dominator" yet, the 26-year-old from Kempton Park has also shown a consistent ability at least not to retreat at the set-piece, and his honest, often unseen industry outside of the scrums should not be in question.

If a Bok team suddenly had to play a key Test tomorrow, he would probably be this writer's pick at No 3, just ahead of the Sharks' Du Plessis.

Maybe in some ways, too, much-maligned Bok skipper John Smit has benefited from scrumming events of the past two Saturdays: at least he provides good bulk in the middle of the front row (if he is indeed going to be Peter de Villiers's first-choice hooker) at a time when South African prop egos are being dented in a pretty traumatic way ...


  • Frik - 2011-07-04 17:05

    Shame Rob laat ek vir jou se as die Bulls daar was sou dit baie anders geweet het... Die mense uit die noordevan ons land sou dan nog die naweek rugby gekyk het...

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-04 17:20

      HaHaHa, the Bulls? Too weak to beat the Sharks, but good enough to beat the Mighty Crusaders? Have you forgotten the score? Let me remind you. 27 - 0. Zip, zero, nada. Thats why they call them Die Nulle. 7th out of 15.

      Richard - 2011-07-04 18:07

      Howhatskey. Er they did beat the sharks prior to the match and the last game was a tight affair with neither of the teams being superior as a single drop goal from an imported frenchy (out of pure worry on the sharks part) was the difference. Rob has a point about the current bok come shark front row and then the stormers tweedle dee and tweedle dum being demolished. Kruger and Greyling are much improved, young talented guys theat not only scrum but have a brilliant work ethic in the lose. Throw Coenie Oosthuizen in the mix and I would also keep Beast and we would have a pretty good chance.

      Wow! - 2011-07-04 18:23

      Frik - I am normally not a Stormers supporter but this weekend I was behind them as teh only team left representing SA.. Let's be honest the Bulls were not there because they did not deserve to be there. They lost critical matches. Enough said. Go Cheetahs!!!!!!!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:29

      Wowzit - Nulle 3 x Super x champs, Your team x 0.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 18:33

      Howzit ek is bly ek maak jou lag want ek neemaan jy het nie die naweek nie... Maar ken jy die score van 3-0 (twee spanne se totale van super cups)? Of ken jy die ander score 20 -14(Dieweland 1)? Of ken jy die ander score 29-10 (Dieweland 2)? Let Wel Dieweland 1 en 2 was tuiswedstryde en dit altwee in een jaar... 7de of 2de Hahahahahaha niemand onthou dit nie want dit maak nie saak nie... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

      PureAwesomeness - 2011-07-04 18:36

      Bulldozer, daars fout met jou keyboard....jy tik vir die laaste 5 maande dieselfde ding oor en oor en oor.....of jy is nie lekker in die kop nie....

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 18:39

      @Frik...Ja Nee as hulle die Bullekies in sit met Yster Spies agter hulle gaan hulle net Mooi maak... Daai twee du Plessis en daai twee dikgatte van die WP staan nie n kans nie...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:51

      Pure, daar's vout met jou oë. Die laaste 5 maande sê ek ''no cups 10 jaar'', bitter min van ''3 cups''. Moenie worry nie, volgende jaar verander dit na ''11 jaar'' toe. Wees geduldig.

      Carl Muller - 2011-07-04 19:02

      As Bul ondersteuner het ek nie net rugby gekyk nie, ek het eers die Sharks en toe die Stormers voluit ondersteun....

      Dionlaw - 2011-07-04 21:21

      Shame, poor Howzitetc. What a petty little mind with buggerall regard for the Bulls. You hatred of the Bulls destroyed your credentials immediately. Jy het seker vergeet dat die Bulle die Crusaders drie maal in halfeindwedstryde geklop het om die beter te vat in 2007, 2009 en 2010.And your team sit with an empty trophy cupboard and a million excuses. By the way I supported the Stormers on Saturday and was really sad when they lost.. Jy moet maar 'n sport ondersteun wat meer intellek verg soos dambord ondersteun

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 01:56

      Dionlaw, save the history lessons. The Bulls are history. They were not good enough and rewarding losers is a policy that will cost the Springbok team dearly.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-05 09:35

      @howzit still bad mouthing SA's 3 times Super Rugby champs I see??? That after your "brilliant" Stormers team got smashed trashed and humiliated in front of their home crowd playing in a semi final tststs

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-05 14:23

      @Howzit What ever happened to your mate "watalife" I would love to ask him how the start of his teams 10 year reign of taking all the trophies available to them worked out for him... lmao

      Tiger - 2011-07-05 15:06

      AS is verbrande hout. AS my ma 'n voël gehad het was ek 'n bulls supporter.

  • RobbedZombie - 2011-07-04 17:18

    Purely based on their performance against both the Stormers and the Sharks, the Bull's prop duo deserve a spot in the WC ahead of the likes of The Beast and Jannie du Plessis. The Sharks may have won their last encounter but the Bulls scrummed over them in both their matches.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-04 17:49

      The Beast is the only world class SA prop. The rest are soft, and I guarentee you that nobody going to the World Cup is worried about any of them.

      Richard - 2011-07-04 18:11

      Well said Zombie. @ Whatsuppie, You are right beast is the best in SA at the moment and the only reason why the likes of Dean, Kruger and Coenie form the FS are not seen as threats is coz they have yet to mature but are well on their way to becoming dominant props in World rugby. Now stop being such a negative naysayer and start thinking Green n Gold and get behind the boys irrispective of who is chosen.

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-04 18:17

      Just trying to keep it real Richard.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 18:33

      @Howzitt veral nie daai meisiekinners in die stoffer voorry nie...

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 18:41

      @Frik...elkekeer as hulle sak vir n scrum lyk dit of hulle, hulle LIPSTICK optel...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:52

      Bambie, dit verduidelik Bryan se rooi lippies.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 18:53

      @LOL Bambie

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 01:59

      Haai Bambie, kyk hoe lag ou Frik.

      Frik - 2011-07-05 12:35

      @How? Ons lag eintlik vir jou...

  • BardofAvon - 2011-07-04 17:20

    Quite frankly, if Div wants to stand any chance - any chance at all - of retaining the World Cup, he needs to select as many Bulls players as possible. The whole team, in fact, apart from the two Weerprobeer centres, and Heinrich Brussow at number six. Any questions?

      Bulkalf - 2011-07-04 17:25

      Hoekom die Weerprobeer senters ?

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-04 17:43

      PDV must select players from the 7th best team in the Super 15 to stand a chance to win the world cup? Would love to know how you came to that conclusion, specially after the Springboks could not beat their way out of a wet paper bag last year. You must be living in Cloud CooCoo Land, or did you thing the Western Force (beat the Bulls) are a World Cup Team?

      Punter - 2011-07-04 18:24

      @Bulkalf so jy se eerder blondie van die nulle jy moet onmiddelik 'n clown word net soos WO

      Wow! - 2011-07-04 18:27

      Many questions! Why make most of your main selection from a team that failed miserably this year? They won seven games on the trot near the end - after which they were obviously over their peak. Sharks rumbled them.

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 18:43

      @WOW..jy praat so baie K dat jy jouself glo...the only person that rumble them was KAPLAN....

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-04 22:22

      Hoekom enige Bulls?

      Marx - 2011-07-05 07:17

      Howzit...I would love to know how you come to the conclusion that there must be a majority of Stormers in the Bok squad after what happened this weekend on their home ground. The Bulls players have proven their worth over many years now, what have the Stormers proven this weekend??? I think we all know the answer to that one !! Oh, another thing, we had two teams in the Super final last year, both ended top of the log, what happened in the Tri Series against players that were in teams that weren't even close to our teams on the log ???

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-05 07:45

      @BardofAvon - with respect, that's pretty much exactly what Div did last year in the 3N, look where that got us....

      jds - 2011-07-05 09:46

      @Howzitekse-Ja die bulle het 7de geeindig en ja hulle het teen die sharks gaan verloor op die einde(met 3 punte). Jy moet net asb onthou dat hulle 7 in n ry gewen het voor dit(insluitende die stormers op Nuweland) en dat dit saamet die reds en ek dink die blues die enigste spanne was wat dit kon regkry!Ja hulle het n shocking begin paar wedstryde gehad, maar het later gewys hoe om terug te kom!Kom nou oor die bulle want lyk my hulle het jou verskriklik omgekrap die laaste paar jaar!Fokus op Bok rugby!

      Howzitekse - 2011-07-05 19:17

      Marx I never mentioned the Stormers, as I am not a retard blinded by provincialism.

  • flat bier - 2011-07-04 17:53

    Rob Houwing niks meer van jou verwag nie ou pel, jy smeer die Bulle altyd so lekker vol heuning. Die stutte van vandag hier in Suid Afrika eet nie meer genoeg boerekos nie_ouma se resepte le en stof opgaar in die spens. Hulle verkies pille deesdae bo boerekos en dis maar hoekom ons stutte so poef is. Bygese gaan dit ook oor hoeveel perde jy agter die stut se boude instoot. Wanneer laas het ons 'n skrum gesien waar almal saam skrum, nee, die flanke hang soos kraaie aan 'n draad en die agsteman lyk soos 'n dassie wat oor 'n miershoop loer. Back to the basics Houwing, een of 2 swaeltjies maak nie 'n somer nie-kannie onthou dat die Bulle die Crusaders die jaar gewen het nie, bygese stukkend geskrum het nie...?????

      flat bier - 2011-07-04 17:55

      Miskien moet ons kyk in die rigting van die Vrystaat, ten minste het hulle die Crusaders geklop?

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 18:45

      @Flat...daai bier raak nou glans en al te veel...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:53

      Ja Flat bier, dis amper al wie hulle geklop het.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-04 22:26

      As jy die Bulls ondersteuners moet glo, dan verdien jy om gekies te word hoe slegter jy vaar in die Super 15-kompetisie! Hoekom nie die Vrystaters nie - hulle het immers (net-net) slegter gevaar as die Bulls, wie se stutte nou so opgehemel word?

  • Twoplusthree - 2011-07-04 18:04

    The locks make the front row! Finish and klaar!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:37

      Ja, Vuilgat Elstadt en Mullet Bekker het Saterdag gewys hoe waardevol hulle is.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 18:55

      @Bull ek verkies nog steeds vir Parkiebank Bekker bo Mullet Bekker? lol

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:59

      Frik, ek wonder of daai girl nogsteeds met Bekker op die parkbankie sou speel as hy daai tyd sy mullet gehad het.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 19:04

      @Bul Ek dink dis al waarmee sy kon speel...

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 19:12

      He he he.

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-04 18:08

    It is difficult to argue with the headline. But there again, it is difficult to argue with the fact that, maybe, the Bulls props benefitted by not being in the semi's. Would they have done any better? The Crusaders props, on Saturday, were awesome and it is doubtful that the Bulls props would have done any better.....we shall never know! It is not as though the Stormers props took a backseat to any other this season in fact, they have been pretty good considering they are not the first or second choice pair in the SA conference. On the day, they were just not good enough and, perhaps they did miss the go forward of Vermeulen......and Burger in the second half. In fact, if Burger injured himself during the first 20 minutes, it is probable that for the other 20 minutes he would have been of limited help. Unfortunately, as I have maintained throughout this competition, you have to play with the cards you are dealt and the Stormers did not deal with it very well on Saturday.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:38

      Mike, they would definitely done better that London Pie Harris and Groen hantjies Blaaauw.

      Whoosa - 2011-07-05 06:51

      I think all of you overlook the fact that scrumming is a 8 man - and not a 3 man effort. And you can cry and rant and rave as much as you like about the "ubertalented" wp backs( who managed to score the second least tries in the comp) The game is won upfront, finish en klaar. Thats why the bulls have been succesful in the past, end of. Thats why the stormers have been no threat for 10 years and counting. And they will continue to be no threat as long as they ignore the fact that you need a world class tight 5 to win cups. Jeez is this so hard to understand???? Bekker realy played some good rugby at the start of the season, being a monster in the loose and decent at line out time. But his been below par at scrum time, so has Elstadt. Same with the bulls at the start of the season. there tight five were not dominant - hence the dismall results. Same for the sharks, they have the best props in the country, but with average locks. We need beef upfront, with an 8 man effort at scrum time, like in the old days. We dont need a F louw, Vermeulen or a spies loering like dassies over n miershoop at scrum time, we Need Russouws, Brussouws,Burgers and Smiths, keep there mother f(&^(* heads down and pushing!

  • BULLPRET - 2011-07-04 18:22

    I posted the following team yesterday at another story. I don't think this team will be shoved around by any team. The operative word is "TEAM" not individuals and burying any provincial bias. The fact that the core of the team will be Bulls has nothing to do with the position they or any other team finished on on the S15 log. These players are all professionals and as a unit are much stronger than any of the provincial franchises. Let us all support the Springboks! 15. Frans Steyn 14. JP Pietersen 13. Jacques Fourie 12.Jean de Villiers (poor game against the 'Saders) or Wynand Olivier 11. L Mvovu 10. M. Steyn 9. F. du Preez 8. P. Spies 7. Juan Smith 6. H. Brussow 5.V. Matfield (K) 4. B. Botha 3. W. Kruger 2.Bismarck du Plessis 1. Gurthro Steenkamp Reserves A. Strauss P Lambie A Bekker C Oosthuizen or Beast or Dean Greyling Jannie du Plessis Francois Hougaardt Danie Rossouw/W. Alberts

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:39

      Petersen? de Villiers? Seriously?

      PureAwesomeness - 2011-07-04 18:44

      Vir die wereldbeker sal ek jou span vat, behalwe Pierre Spies op 8. En ek sal vir Gio Aplon op die reserwebank sit

      RuckingFun - 2011-07-04 18:50

      awesome team except for spies

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 18:55

      Pure, soek jy nie Mullet Bekker op vleuel en London Pie Harris op loskakel nie? Dis waar hulle hulle meeste rugby gespeel het hierdie jaar.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 19:02

      Ja los vir YSTER Spies en kies vir Dom Doimmer Duane... Los vir YSTER Steyn en kies vir Pieter Grenaat... Hy is mos die nuwe Dan "The Man" in die kaap... Drop vir YSTER Fourie en kies van Ricky Februarie was mos altyd die stoffers se eerste keuse... Gooi vir YSTER Matfield uit en laat parkiebank bekker-loos in NZ gaan droogmaak... Drop vir YSTER Bakkies en vat hendrik helstad saam... En los vir YSTER Kruger en YSTER Steenkamp by die huis en gee daardie onbekende meisies van die stoffers nog 'n kans!!!

      Barry Edwards - 2011-07-04 19:18

      Frik Hi, How on earth can BB be in the side ? He is going to give away points correct ?

      Barry Edwards - 2011-07-04 20:40

      What a bad side. You have Bakkies Botha actually in the side ! And the captain is not there! And Butch James is not there! and and and..

      rainman - 2011-07-04 22:18

      this is not a bad side you know. i hope brussouw is going to be fit and injury free. been a while since i have sen him play. i also like the impact players on the bench..hougaard and danie..

      Frik - 2011-07-04 22:38

      @Barry Ok wie is beter?

      Rob van den Heuvel - 2011-07-05 07:48

      @Frik - not bad, possibly replace Jannie on the bench with BJ Botha. If Victor is captain send him on ref mgmt training. Agree with 81, Spies is not on form, sorry.

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-05 12:52

      Straus out, Chilli in. Connie yes. Willem Alberts yes. Dannie instead of Bakkies. JDV or DeJong. Ok, lets go!!

      GraemeBB - 2011-07-05 12:56

      @Barry - You want to leave Bakkies out in fear of illegal play. Then you want to include Butch?? What is it with you guys and Butch? He isnt bad, but not good enough to march into a Bok team. Morne and Lambie are the best two. Butch? Oh, good Lord, what next?

      Zooma Lema - 2011-07-05 13:50

      Die Ysterbulle. Neewat, hulle het te maklik gebuig in die Super Rugby Reeks. Kies liewers talent en vergeet al die ander vooropgestelde idees van wie moet speel.

      Rugganut - 2011-07-05 14:38

      Good team for a tri-nations experiment (i emphasise 'tri-nations') I would try Johnson at 8 instead of Spies (either starting or off the bench)...Danie can cover at 8 or lock and Alberts at flank or at 8. As far as props go, you would then need a versatile prop on the bench (someone like BJ least I think he scrums at 1 and 3 or John Smith - then you would have to replace Strauss to include him) Butch at 10 instead of Steyn. I would also like to see Ruan Pienaar off the bench at scrumhalf...Hougaardt can come on as a winger off the bench

  • Barry Edwards - 2011-07-04 18:51

    We can speak all we want about who should be in the Bok side. In 2007 the Super Final was between ...two SA sides. South Africa then went on to win the World Cup of Rugby in the same year. Lets just say 2007 will not happen in 2011.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 22:50

      @Barry although i do not like the sound of it... it is in all possibility true...

  • Brian Heunis - 2011-07-04 19:18

    I'd honestly have a good look at how Mujati goes in the Tri Nations! Also add to the mix the Vrystaat props, Coenie Oosthuizen and WP Nel......

  • Georgp2 - 2011-07-04 19:25

    Bullpret lyk goed Bakkies seker reg maar Frans Steyn ek weet nie. Van hulle is nou al bietjie oud maar gelukkig is Banana nie daar nie

  • mike - 2011-07-04 19:38

    Have to say I would select Guthro and Greyling ahead of Beast right now. Beast along with Jannie have had a poor super rugby season but I hope the boys can find some form in the tri-nations. Greylings lack of experience is a huge concern if Div turns to him now. Kruger I believe deserves his spot in the final 30, in fact he should start. Front row of Gunthro/Smit/Kruger with Bakkies behind them aint going backwards. I would love to see Smit get some game time in the tri-nations as hooker so we can finally put his value to the test!

      rainman - 2011-07-04 22:12

      mike i am going to have to disagree with you here. div should def play greyling..starting right here with the tri nations. he must get the experience against the ab and aus. hopefully without injury he should go to the wc in nz. even if he gets a few mid week games. but i would def play him ahead of beast and even guthro..i would say greyling, smit and kruger...i dont think we can do much better than that.

      mike - 2011-07-05 00:16

      Pretty descent front row you have there and they will definately do some dmg... Well lets hope Div gives them a chance and lets see how they perform in the Tri-nations.

  • KingSmurf - 2011-07-04 19:43

    Aag nee Rob! Dan kan ons mos netsowel die hele Lions span kies vir die Bokke want hulle het nie een skrum, lynstaan of losgemaal teen die Crusaders verloor nie en nie een strafskop teen hulle afgestaan nie!!! Ongef@kkenlooflik!!!!

  • Truth - 2011-07-04 20:01

    As Frik sy provinsialisme en onnodige slegsêery van ander spanne kan stop en vir eens soos 'n Suid-Afrikaner optree, sal dit nogal 'n slag lekker wees om kommentaar te lees, maar sulke snert sit die kommen in kommentaar. Ek is 'n Stormer ondersteuner, maar ek ondersteun elke enkele SA span, insluitend die Bulle, wanneer hulle teen oorsese teenstanders speel. Die ding is Frik, jy is net 'n ondersteuner, jy is nie in die span nie, so jy het in elk geval geen rede om groot te praat oor jou span nie. Jy het nie "bragging rights" nie.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 22:47

      @Truth soveel vra... so min tyd... Die SAders is die naaste aan my span wat ek kan kom... As rugbyspelers buite die land mag gaan speel mag ek seker vir 'n buitelandse span skree? Dis mos my keuse? Aek kyk na wie in die finaal speel het nie ek of jy bragging rights op ons eerste keuse spanne nie? Of het julle omdat julle 2de op die log was en die YSTER Bulls 7de?

  • yank - 2011-07-04 20:07

    The article conveniently groups the Sharks 3 with the Stormers powder puff bunch....Not a true reflection of how the Sharks game went, They at least tried,,,the Stormers capitulated completely.

  • cc - 2011-07-04 20:47

    @ Howzitekse and the shortest rugby joke will always be WP

  • rainman - 2011-07-04 22:00

    I must say, what i have seen of Dean Greyling in the S15 and thankfully his inclusion in the bok hopefulls, i can sleep a bit better. It is typical of the bulls to find seriously good props. does anyone remember the guy from Namibia....Lensing that was playing for the bulls. It was a treat watching that guy scrum. I am not so keen on the du plessis bros..but dean greyling, sjoe, he is good and strong.

      Frik - 2011-07-04 22:49

      @Rain Kees was 'n YSTER!!!

      rainman - 2011-07-05 09:12

      @Frik...i hear that kees retired a while back. What a big pity, i thought he had many years in him still. The great thing about greyling is that he is still young and without injury and hopefully the bulls can keep him here, together with kruger we have something to look forward to. i had a look at some pics of kees in his day. he was menacing.

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-04 22:20

    It would indeed be a poor coach who will not recall that the Bull props did not quite make the grade against their unfortunate opponents who did play in the play-offs! You must be a Bulls supporter to take such a dim view of reality! Yes, the Sharks and Stormers props played badly in the play-offs; but then, the Bulls props played badly all season long. That is why their team did not make it through to the play-off stages. You sound like those crazy/mad/arrogant people who suggest that the Bulls would have done better in the play-offs IF they were there. "Sê nou is 'n lekker sê, alles wat 'n mens wil hê, alles wat jou hart begeer, kry jy daardeur en nog meer ..."

      mike - 2011-07-05 00:19

      I wish you had actually watched some of the Bulls games this year because its crap like that you spewning which irritates people. Greyling and Kruger srummed the crap out of Beast and Jannie, just cause they lost the game doesn't suddenly make that untrue!

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-07-05 13:55

      Kleinboet ... "played bady all season long"... ALL Season? Definitely not. Take off your provincial glasses and enjoy some rugby.

  • Nfusitjie - 2011-07-05 00:45

    Kruger = Underrated, very good value player. Steenkamp is quality, in work-rate, team dynamics & scrumming. Greyling is going to the World Cup.

      rainman - 2011-07-05 09:29

      @Nfusitjie...lets hope so. Greyling is brilliant in my mind and has plenty of years ahead of him. I think this is our only hope. I agree kruger is underated..maybe he thinks that there are others that will be picked ahead of him, and this maybe affects him a bit, i dunno. the bulls have the luxury of being spoilt for choice in quality scrum pack. I am a stormers supporter, but if i think if the bulls get their act together, maybe trim a bit of dead wood, they will get back to their dominating ways again in no time.

  • Paul - 2011-07-05 07:56

    bulls who???

  • JJRR - 2011-07-05 08:32

    Maak nie saak wat julle se nie, DIE BULLE HET NOGSTEEDS 3 en julle het 0!

      KingSmurf - 2011-07-05 08:36

      Tipiese Bul response as hy nie meer weet wat om te sê nie!!

      J - 2011-07-05 10:50

      @KingSmurf Jip, altyd dieselfde ou deuntjie.. 2007: 1 cup, 2009: 2 cup, 2010: 3 cup, 2011: f@cup...

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-05 12:22

      JJRR, onthou die woordjie "GEHAD"? Dit pas iewers in jou sinnetjie in. Hulle het nou geen bekers nie. Daai een van laasjaar tel nie meer nie, want vanjaar word vir 'n nuwe beker gespeel - die hele formaat van die toernooi het verander! As jy mooi tel, sal jy sien dat die Stormers/WP ook talle bekers oor die jare GEHAD het. Op jou eie rekeningkunde model moet hulle in berekening gebring word. Dit is dus verkeerd om te sê ons het geen bekers nie - volgens jouself!

      Blouste-Blou - 2011-07-05 13:57

      Die Bulls het nog NOOOIT 10 jaar sonder 'n beker gegaan nie - en dit is 'n feit.

      A.T. - 2011-07-05 14:24

      @Kingsmurf & J Stormers 2007: f@cup... , 2009: f@cup... , 2010: f@cup... , 2011: f@cup...

  • Kok - 2011-07-05 09:14

    Het Dean Greyling en Kie dan nie 27 - 0 teen die einste Crusaders voorry pakgekry vroeër in die jaar nie???

  • gsaker1 - 2011-07-05 10:51

    What we now know without a shadow of a doubt is the All Black front row and tight five is the most powerful in the world and will dominate in the Tri-Nations . I predict the All Blacks will go thru unbeaten for a second year in a row and Australia and South Africa will be scrambling for a lose three and tight five that can match them at the WC at home...yeah good luck with that!!!!!

  • Louw - 2011-07-05 13:16

    Connie, Adriaan, WP, but most importantly OS, unfortunatley SARU feels they no longer need the services of OS Du Randt.

  • Watcher - 2011-07-07 11:01

    Interesting thoughts. What about the other lost man of SA rugby - Heinke van der Merwe. He to is a very strong youngster and he can only have gained from playing in France. Why do we not even hear a mention of his name as he is a prodigious talent that we are not doing our best to care. We should not lament the dearth of good front row forwards and at the same time discard some of our best young talent.

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