Allister: Crusaders too good

2011-07-03 17:36

Cape Town - Although the 29-10 loss by the Stormers in the Super Rugby semi-finals at the hands of the Crusaders will not sit well with their loyal supporters, it was clear on Saturday night that their opponents were simply in a class of their own.

Speaking after the loss, Stormers coach Allister Coetzee admitted the men from Christchurch were more sound in their tactical decision-making and were rewarded for their clinical execution at the set phases.

"We were beaten by a better team tonight, they scrummed really well and were highly competitive at the breakdown and we made elementary mistakes which cost us," said Coetzee.

The Stormers' mentor said the experience they had gained in this tough competition would be of great value in the future.

"We will take all the criticism on the chin, but in my books it was still a very good season.

"We are at that tipping point and it is important that we keep believing in our systems and structures and I think it is important that we get quality players in terms of our depth," said Coetzee.

The late withdrawal of scrumhalf Dewaldt Duvenage - the halfback failed a late fitness test on an ankle injury - was also not used as an excuse.

Coetzee praised Louis Schreuder for making the step up in Duvenage's absence and lauded his team for making it to the play-offs despite losing several key players - in key positions - throughout the season.

During the contest, the Stormers also lost skipper Schalk Burger to a thumb injury.

He was replaced by Schalk Brits and it was left to vice-captain Jean de Villiers to explain where things went wrong after the match.

"Credit to them (Crusaders), but then again rugby is all about momentum and if we had taken the right choices early on then it could have been a different ball game," said de Villiers.

"Rugby is like a game of chess and we made a few wrong moves early on and from there it went pear shaped."

De Villiers echoed his coach's views on the positive strides the team has made this season as far as increasing the experience base is concerned.

"The fact that we blooded basically a whole team of guys under the age of 23 this season is fantastic for us as a union and what the academy has achieved is fantastic for Western Province and Stormers rugby.

"We are on the right track if we are playing in play-offs every single year and in every competition is good for us - although we need to start winning."

And while De Villiers agreed that the extra week's rest will be well received by the Springbok players in the squad, he described the loss as heartbreaking when considering how much hard work had been put into the season.

"I've not thought about that (the week's rest) yet. At this stage I'm still heartbroken about the loss," he said.

Over the past two years, the Stormers' players have been involved in Super Rugby and Currie Cup finals with the semi-final against the Crusaders encapsulating yet another season where they came within inches of winning some much needed silverware.

De Villiers said all they can do is to keep trying.

"If we had the answer or solution to why we are not doing it (winning trophies) we wouldn't be sitting here and talking about it.

"We need to keep chipping away at it and try and keep the faith and work hard to try and achieve that."


  • Mswati - 2011-07-03 17:40

    Well done Crusaders

      Frik - 2011-07-03 22:31

      @Bambie volgende jaar... Ja volgende jaar...

      BlueSperm - 2011-07-03 22:31

      @SAFFA... I’m impressed, I’ve never seen such a small mind inside such a big head like yours before

      Theuns - 2011-07-04 02:54

      @Saffa...Sorry i just read my comment again...Should have said hot or cold or hot and cold but i can see where you going with this. So sorry if you miss interpret my comment. All I'm saying is that your coach should bare the most of the grunt as he didn't do his home work on the opposition. Like Jan comment lower down...nothing personal. So as I apologised i would accept an apology from you and you may as well apologise to my fellow BB supporters. Many thanks and Sorry again i didn't mean to upset you.

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 03:36

      Hoekom is julle so gevoelig vandag? Is die gedruis te veel vir die hoofpyn na die naweek se papsak suig.

      Creeky - 2011-07-04 07:53

      No Alistar.... the Stormers just PLAYED KUK!!!!

      rugby_guru - 2011-07-04 09:49

      Sorry I didn't get a chance to write my comments, sorry about the loss Stormers, very dissapointing, and your players are really down about it, you yourself lost that game, not that Saders winning it, even though they played better rugby, I believe you guys could have taken it if you were not so over eager.. *sigh* anyway, we live and learn, my honest opinion, the Stormers do not need help with their Rugby but need a outside source to come help them with their psychology in big games... Then again my team did just as bad the week before, so is it our teams just playing badly or is it the Saders making us play badly? I don't know, all I know is that i'm hoping for a Reds win in this.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:40

      @rugby_guru and I quote: "you yourself lost that game, not that Saders winning it, even though they played better rugby" contradiction in terms... please don't say the Stormers lost against themselves again? Maybe next year they should play against themselves seeing that they always loose against themselves. They were OUT PLAYED and OUT CLASSED simple

      rugby_guru - 2011-07-04 13:51

      BlueRaven, wow you a bright one... The Stormers lost because they never pitched, the Saders played better rugby because they pitched.. The Stormers made to many mistakes from the get go, and that cost them the game, the Saders are not a better team, the Stormers in my mind is at least twice as good as the best Bulls team.. Pity the Bulls are over for a few years now and the Stormers and Sharks will dominate the Rugby in this country... Stormers all ready have this year and we took the Currie Cup and SMASHED the Bulls out of the Semi, just like we did in this super rugby, so fact is the Bulls are nothing anymore, and without their 'big guns' they nothing more than a little baby side, that is pathetic and useless.

  • JohannV - 2011-07-03 17:48

    Well, the Cheetahs beat them. No, the Stoffers just weren't GOOD ENOUGH! Bwahahaha! 11 years and counting....

      MrMojoRising - 2011-07-03 18:05

      Ag ou, die Bulle kon nie 'n punt anteken teen die Crusaders nie, so wat nou? Die Cheetahs is 'n goeie span wel, so dis nie asof dit 'n skok was dat hulle die Crusaders kon wen nie. . .

      Theuns - 2011-07-03 19:50 dit meen as die Cheetas hulle gewen het dan sou die Bulle hulle gewen het later in die seisoen???

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:41

      @Mojo so die Cheetahs is n beter span as die Stormers?

  • Allin - 2011-07-03 18:03

    The Stormers' mentor said the experience they had gained in this tough competition would be of great value in the future. Just when will this "future" happen? Twelve years and counting...

      Francois - 2011-07-03 18:19

      At least he saw the light and let January go, but I agree, one must stand up and deliver at some stage or the other.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 18:23

      No Francois, Ricky saw the light.

      Frik - 2011-07-03 18:32

      soos elke jaar... is dit nou weereens volgende jaar...

  • Makutu - 2011-07-03 18:05

    Who was saying that Peter Grant deserves to be in the Bok squad?

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 18:25

      His mommy.

      Mswati - 2011-07-03 18:43

      Nobody ever said that

      Makutu - 2011-07-03 19:53

      Lots of people were saying that Mswati. There was even a survey out on Sports24.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:43

      @Makutu all the Stormers supporters

      JohnnyBB - 2011-07-04 13:38

      .....Peter Grant = overrated palooooka, .... as proven on Saturday...!!!

  • Jack - 2011-07-03 18:06

    The Bulls are still the best. Just had a wobble, like in 2008. They beat the stormers at home, and only lost at loftus because of rain. They would have put up a better fight if they played on saturday. Sorry stormers, it's not about bmt - its about the fact you dont have a front row, your locks have been shown up by a number of teams this year, your loosies only have a reputation in your own local papers, your halfbacks are rubbish (including the overrated peter grant), you have no permanent fullback. In order to win trophies you basically have to build a team. No evidence of that so far.

      gcr - 2011-07-03 18:21

      The back line of the Stormers supposedly are all vaunted Springbok players yet they showed up so badly that I don't hold much hope for the final Springbok team if they perform like the Stormers did. Stormers were absolutely horrible on the day and just showed how poor their defensive tactics worked. Our other super 15 teams are far more enterprising and still want to win matches. Grant is not a Springbok by any stretch of the imagination - stick with James and Lambie and don't take Morne Steyn he will lose matches for us in the world cup - his defense is as good as the Stormers - suspect

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-03 18:40

      @Jack - I didn't want to get into it with gloating Bulls fans, but your pearl of wisdom deserves an answer. You say the Bulls are still the best - they just had a wobble? - Sorry old chap - the BEST teams don't have wobbles in a season, or when they have wobbles the wobbles last only a few games....The Bulls losing at Loftus to the Landers - wobble, the Stormers - wobble and the Sharks - choke combined with wobble - sadly excludes them from receiving the tiara for "BEST" this time round. In the context of this S15 they were losers. If the Bulls manage to replace all lost stars and win the S15 next year - THEN, they can be called best again. So to cap - The Bulls WERE the best - fact. The COULD be the best again - fact. But for now - NO, they are currently NOT the best.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-03 18:41

      @Jack - and sorry, my final comment for you: You say the Bulls only lost at Loftus because of RAIN? Mate, after the crappy sporting weekend I have had - you have made me laugh - OUT LOUD. I thank you.

      Jack - 2011-07-03 18:51

      @SAFFA-CAT. You'll be laughing on the other side of your face in the currie cup. You have had much to say on this forum, but it was all noise, no substance. The bulls wobbled in 2008, and came roaring back in 2009 and 2010. Who says they can't do it again in 2012 or 2013 with a new team. To make a come-back you have to have been there in the first place. Where have the stormers been these last 10 years? This morning Jean de Villiers was saying that the stormers are now where the bulls were in 2005 / 2006 when they lost a few semi's. Well the big difference is the bulls lost those games touring in nz, and not at home. You're right about the games the bulls lost, but the one that really cost them was the game in perth. Those 4 points would have made all the difference. It happens, and we'll be back - you see, Mr Saffa-cat, we know this because we've been there before - unlike you, sir.

      Gambit9 - 2011-07-03 19:03

      @jack with ALL those "weaknesses" we still ended up second on the log and the Bulls er, er oh yes 7th. not even the play offs, without Victor, Bakkies, Fourie next year 7th will be like a distant can always watch the History channel about the good old days.

      Heather - 2011-07-03 20:02

      24-0 in Timaru Jack but the Bulls are still the best in your Baby Blue Bull eyes. Dream on China.

      jontheb - 2011-07-03 21:27

      Jack - I can't wait for next season, when even the lions will kick your butts. In fact, should relegation become a factor, the bulls might not get to contest another super season beyond next year. Perhaps you mean that the Bulls are still the best at making excuses for their failure to even make the playoffs for the inaugural S15...

      Jack - 2011-07-03 22:55

      @SAFFA-CAT. Doesn't matter that so many Bulls are retiring, the depth is there for all to see. Look at the quality of the bench. The thing that really stood out about the stromers was the lack of depth - look what happened when vermeulen was injured. The no-name replacement was dire! No second flyhalf, no extra option at scrumhalf, no backup in the front row. You'll'll see.

      Kleinboet - 2011-07-04 01:08

      Man, did we do good for a team full of no good players! Jackie, my boytjie, it very much sounds to me as if you are trying to find excuses for the vrot rugby your team played this year - almost like Allister on the semi final? Read my posting alsewhere. At least I admit we played badly when it counted most. Try it, you will find that the truth sets you free, my man!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 07:00

      @Jack - oh dear stars. You question the Stormers depth at flyhalf? You do realise that we have used the following flyhalfs this season: Grant, van Aswegen, Cronje, DUVENAGE (scrummie), Coleman. You do realise that the following are/were injured in the season: Grant, van Aswegen, Cronje, Lane, Coleman, even Katchikilis was injured for a while. On loosie the following have been injured at stages: Burger, Vermeulen, P Louw, Kolisi etc. Add to those names the following who were injured at times during the season: Fourie, de Villiers, Habana, Jantjies, Aplon (pre-season and missed a few games) etc etc. So mate - we might have a few depth issues in the front row (had a few injuries there as well....) and in a few other positions - BUT EISHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, to suggest we have no depth, when we made the semi's in SPITE of all the injuries throughout the season is not 2 shabby don't you think? The Bulls had 2 injuries the whole season - Guthro and du Preez and possibly one more - thats it. And where did they finish again? Sorry mate - at this stage our depth across the park is a little above you chaps - even a troll would have to agree? Building a team you say - let's see how that goes next year cos if I were you, I would be a little more worries about the Bulls than the Stormers.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 07:04

      @Jack - PS: I am chuffed you call Nick Koster a "no-name" replacement.....Remember his name old chap, in fact, go and watch the game again, focus only on him (yeah yeah, the intercept pass is probably what has you frothing....but take a look at his general play mate - his speed, his ball carrying, his line breaks (not his fault there was no support...) etc etc, and you might re-think your term "No-name useless replacement". Remember that name....

      Northern Stormer - 2011-07-04 07:15

      I really do not think that the Stormers can complain about a depth problem. Lets take flyhalf - Grant injuted, in comes gary van Aswegen, Van Aswegen injured, in come Lionel Cronje, Cronje injured and in come Coleman and Coleman was injured and Duvenage stepped in - that in my books is 5 flyhalves used with success in S15 this year - surely the depth is sufficient and we still have Kastirilis from the Ikeys as well !!! Scrumhalf - Duvenage,Schreuder,Groom and until recently fat January !!!! Don't know about the lack of depth. We stuffed up saturday end of story !!!!

      Marx - 2011-07-04 07:37

      The 80 minute silence Saturday must be some kind of world record !! Its funnY how the Bulls always keep being mentioned, and the poor Stormers now playing the "Bulls" didn't make the play-offs" card. The thing is, Vic and his men did us proud for many years and made our wildest dreams come true, they did the Bulls Brand justice and made rugby history in SA. They won 3 Semi's against the Saders with blood and guts, the Stormers and specially some of their fans believe the world owes them something for ending in second place, what they do not seem to grasp is that the Comp. doesn't end there, and nobody owes them anything. They were totally outplayed in all facets of the game on sat. The biggest worry now is what will happen in the Tri Series and WC, cause if this is what SA has to offer with a home ground advantage, we are in serious trouble, Bring on the BULLS !!!!!!

      Tools1 - 2011-07-04 08:18

      CHO...........Well actualy the guys didnt choke. I never thought the day would come but the boys from the Fair Cape were just fairies up front even the lineouts were lost. And with no first fase posesion you can not play rugby.

      cj - 2011-07-04 11:08

      @ Northern Stormer. It doesn't help to have 5 flyhalves if not one of them is up to par. You can maybe make knock out stages with an average flyhalf, but it is impossible for any team to win the Super 15, Tri- Nations or World Cup without a truly world class flyhalf.. Naas Botha remains our yard stick. With the superior posession percentage the Stormers enjoyed ( at least in the first half) Naas would have dictated the game, and kept the team on the front foot. We seem to be lowering our standards as far as the most important player in a team is concerned. WP and the Stormers have now for about 4 or 5 years been trying to turn Grant into a flyhalf, instead of contracting or developing someone else. A really good flyhalf is not made but born.

      Jack - 2011-07-04 11:54

      @SAFFA-CAT. You continue to forget that the Bulls showed up the Stormers weaknesses down at Newlands a few weeks ago. I am sure the Saders looked at that game and learned from it. Saturday wasn't the first time the Stormers scrum and lineout was annihilated. The Bulls also annihilated the stormers in set-pieces. And what did the stormers learn from giving away penalties for collapsing the maul? Nothing. They did the same against the Saders. Sorry guys - feet of clay. You were bigmouth all season, now eat humble pie like we did in 2000 / 2001.

      Jack - 2011-07-04 11:56

      @Heather. You must be frustrated with the shortage of men down there. So sad that even your rugby team are a bunch of man-bag holders. Move up to Joeys where you can find some real red meat.

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 12:59

      @Jack - in 2000 and 2001 - YOU chaps didn't ONE game, and ended bottom of the log. 2nd on the log, semi-finalists? You can't compare the humble pie you chaps had to eat back then to us now. ROTFLMAO. Jack - every comparison, argument you present is FLAWED - end of.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-07-04 13:39

      .....Bulls = Pace setters... .......Stormers = Slow followers.... ......for the last 10 years....

  • PMG - 2011-07-03 18:07

    the Stormers suck at finals and Schalk is a kuk captain - finish and klaar.

      SA_Mizdat - 2011-07-03 18:47

      Yep, next to the Proteas, the Stompies are the biggest chokers in SA sports.

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 18:23

    The heading should've read: ''Allister: Stormers just too crap''

      Makutu - 2011-07-03 18:24


      Frik - 2011-07-03 18:32

      Nee Bull crap laat die stoffers goed klink!!!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 18:37

      Ha ha Frik

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-03 18:28

    Maori dude, I don't know where you are, but I did congratulate you this morning. So here it is again CONGRATS on your teams sublime performance - no excuses. I said all I wanted to say about my teams non-performance on that thread.... and am feeling 2 sick & distressed to repeat it again. This has officially been the worst sporting weekend I have endured in yonks - My beloved Blues - choke. My beloved Stormers - choke. My beloved Rafa Nadal - choke. My beloved Big City Life euthanased - ME choking with distress. Add 2 that a hangover and the onset of bronchitis and I am ONE miserable cow. I won't get into it with any gloating Bulls chaps either - but I do want to assist the chap who asked this morning rather "sarcastically" what the Stormers got from losing a semi-final. Let me answer by saying: Some nice dosh old chap - in fact, enough to allow us to keep a few of those young players The Bulls want to buy....... :) Enjoy the gloating bullyboys - you know I would have done (and have done) the same, but spare a thought for Heyneke who won't be able to shop around as much as he would have had you chaps also hosted a semi-final. I am now going to wallow in a little more self-pity, duolin and pulmacort.

      Maori - 2011-07-03 18:50

      Thanks Saffa-Cat- all in the spirit of the game. Better luck next time

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-03 19:19

      @Maori - I do mean this: If the Saders go on to win the title - it will officially be (In my mind) the GREATEST achievement by ANY team, in ANY rugby union tournament EVER. And yes, a book will be written, a film will be made and Ben Affleck can play Richie Mcaw. Cheers on your win - and enjoy the build-up this week. (PS: I still think SBW is a gifted athlete delux - but not a chap I would invite to a dinner party....Ali, Jerome, Kevin, Ma'a, Mils, Piri, Daniel and Kieran are STILL streaks ahead in the 'true rugga' personality stakes. :) Have a good one. Over and out - cough cough.

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-03 20:24

      How priceless! Two South-Africans patting each other on the back after the last SA team was knocked out of Super Rugby, with one of the two sanctimoniously taking ownership of the win by a New-Zealand team! LOL LOL LOL!!! "Maori" wins the award for "parachuting into New-Zealand from a record distance in Maori makeup" for 2011. SAFFA you need to check the label on your inhalers. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-03 20:44

      @Wormtongue - it is because I was pretty mean about the Saders in the week, - This is called "eating humble pie" (6 plates full & a bowl 2 boot) - It's about admitting that the team Maori supports deserved to wallop the Stormers out of the competition..... Surely even a wormed tongue demon can appreciate just what it is the Saders have achieved or COULD achieve? (Time for more inhalants........)

      BlueSperm - 2011-07-03 21:44

      SAFFA, why don't you just do us all a favour and disappear like your stormer team, it will be a much more pleasant site this without your continuous dribble

      Wormtongue - 2011-07-03 21:53

      SAFFA you may just well be the nicest guy that significantly contributes on this blog. And I think my comment regarding your medication crossed the line, even for a Wormtongued demon - I am sorry. But why congratulate another South African on a win by a NZ team? Hope you get better soon :)

      Crusader Man - 2011-07-04 00:12

      @Saffa you obviously are a very loyal supporter and for that i commend you. Also your best wishes for the Saders is very gracious as well.. You seem to be a hot head as far as your loyalty towards the Stormers. Thanks again for your nice comments about if the saders win this next week. People in high places in NZ are saying the same thing.. Good luck for the tri nations Saffa...The most priceless moment to me was the hands over the face from your BOK coach.. He has problems.. Its to late now to change your squad..

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 03:52

      SAFFA-CAT: What a terrible performance by a world class outfit!

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 04:03

      Saffa_CAT: Ons BullyBoys gloat niks. Ons is eindelik meer teleurgesteld as wat julle Choker ondersteuners dink. Ons weet waarvan ons praat en die afgelope paar dae het ons ons bes gedoen om te probeer keer dat julle seer kry. Maar in jul hardkoppigheid wou julle nie na ons luister nie. Dit maak ons diep seer! Maar as jy dom is moet jy suffer. Laat my dink aan die mier wat die olifant wou verwurg. Suffer baby Suffer!

      !!Vrystaat!! - 2011-07-04 07:05

      @SAFFA-CAT - Ek is seker nie so op datum nie jong. Wie presies het die bulle van julle gekoop al ? Ek weet julle is goed gevoed van die Vrystaat en Griekwas ja, maar ek mis wie van julle by die bulle is ?

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-07-04 07:13

      @Marcell - don't talk tripe. At least the S15 is over now, and you can start supporting Australia. @Crusaderman - hahahaha, of course I am hot-headed when it gets to the Stormers - I am a fan :) BUT: I really do try and remain as objective as possible - it is however a work in progress :) @Wormtongue - You know what mate, after this weekend I have come to the conclusion that Caped Crusaders are not going to stop supporting the Saders, EVER - so those that do it for the right reasons must rock on and enjoy it (those that do it purely to make a fashion statement must rock off)

      St.Andrew - 2011-07-04 09:28

      @SAFFA love your comments dude. Well thought out and written - none of the low name calling that gets levelled at you. -get well soon

      tamzinjm - 2011-07-04 15:44 decent and nice comment i have read about that game. Thank you Saffa-cat. Me being a Saders supporter, it was one hell of a game! One that i only watched highlights coz i was literally too worried to watch it! i beleive that the Stormers will come back so much stronger nxt season and one team everyone must watch out for.

  • Bulldozer - 2011-07-03 18:42

    The Psychologists are fully booked for the next 6 months here in the Cape of False Hope.

      Mswati - 2011-07-03 18:45


      SA_Mizdat - 2011-07-03 18:49

      Hear the one about the guy who walked into an Adidas shop and asked for condoms, because he was too embarrassed to ask for a Stompie-shirt?

      Gambit9 - 2011-07-03 19:09

      That's what you get when you shop at the Loftus reject shop

      Frik - 2011-07-03 19:13

      Tronke is ook seker oorvol na al gisteraand se dwelm en en papsak verwante misdrywe?

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 03:56

      Wormtongue: I like this :"never be good enough again". The Chokers from down South would : "never be good enough ". Quite amazing what one word can do.

  • Babba x - 2011-07-03 19:09

    The Bulls supporters are as arrogant as Malema

      Frik - 2011-07-03 19:14

      Pleasure is all ours Bubba

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 03:50

      The Bulls did not win the cup after the first round of games.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 06:57

      Babba, no cups 10 years.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-07-04 13:42

      .....because the Bulls are the best...!!!

  • Jan - 2011-07-03 19:30

    Alistair Coetzee is past his sell by date. Get somebody like the Reds coach for the Stormers. Like Naas said on Saturday morning. The coach has a major role to play except managing players. If you cannot coach, how can you manage?

      Mikus - 2011-07-04 06:46

      Maybe that should be "cell by date" because everything about the Stormers on Saturday was criminal! However, we will be back -

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 06:58

      Back where Mucus?

      Mikus - 2011-07-04 07:42

      Morning Dozer (spelt yours correctly...) Back to winning ways! Yes I know the whole "all support but no cup - 11 years and all we have is a colony of moths in the cupboard etc, etc, and more boring, repetitive, mindless commentary........ Winning rugby is a tradition in the Cape, just like in Pretoria - sorry, Tswane and more recently in Natal. WP has been victorius in more Currie Cup finals (32) than any other team in SA so all the cr@p about "papsakke" "tik" and the rest are the ignorant ramblings of the uninformed. Super 15 - conceded we suck in the competition but hey, I didn't see any other SA teams making an appearance! In the final analysis I want our teams to be dominant, it would be a bonus if the Stormers could be part of that but frankly I don't care as long as we (SA) are dictating the terms.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 08:11

      Mucus, if you want to get technical we can see how much older the WPRU is than Northern Transvaal and compare them. I appreciate the fact though that you support all SA teams, since I can't do that.

      Mikus - 2011-07-04 09:25

      DOzer - seems you have a problem with mutual respect - ah well WPRU older sure but then we still had to beat someone to win the trophy - arguing age here is like trying to include a remarks column on a golf score card. On the support thing - I'm actually with you there, in the local matches I want to see the Stormers klap the snot out of everyone but when we (any SA team) play outsiders I find it contemptible that any South African can cheer on the foreigners - before, during or after the game. Anyway, here's hoping for 4 SA teams in the semis and a common belief for the bokke.

  • Jakes71 - 2011-07-03 19:34

    Crusaders was and will always be the best team in Super Rugby.... Saturday they will do to the Reds what they did to the Stormers. Go Saders!

      tamzinjm - 2011-07-04 17:28

      Officially the BEST comment on this far. Jakes71, Crusaders are by far the best....hopefully we will see that in the final!!!

  • JimmyZ - 2011-07-03 19:56

    Wow, lots of bitter Bulls supporters around. They sound like they just lost the boer war! I suppose thats the mentality of their support base! Better luck next year, you will be lucky to beat anyone at altitude next year

      Marcell - 2011-07-04 03:47

      JimmyZ: nee wat ou maat. Ons is nie bitter nie. Ons tone krul van lekkerte. Gaan lees maar die koerante en blogs dan sal jy sien die Chokers(Stormers) was te vol van hulself. Na hulle eerste 'buy' was hulle al die gunstelinge(volgens hul ondersteuners en aanhanger pers). Ek en menigte ander Bul ondersteuners het vele kere gese dat jy nie die beker in April wen nie. maar nee, hulle wou nie hoor nie. Toe die Bulle uitgeskakel is(sjoe, hulle het dit geniet) was daar geen keer aan hulle(Choker ondersteuners) nie. Ten miste was hulle beter as die huidige Kampioene. Ons het gewaarsku dat jy eers die finaal moet wen voor jy trofee kry. Maar eish, die papsak was te veel en te lekker. So, nou geniet ons elke oomblik daarvan. Dink net hoe pateties daai selfgemaakte wereld gehalte spelers vertoon het teen spelers wat KAN speel.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 06:58

      Bitter because the Stormers are trophyless for 10 years, and counting.

  • Roelf - 2011-07-03 20:47

    Was op Nuweland. Die Stormers het al klaar verloor nog voor die game begin het. Jy kon die verskil in die spanne sien toe hulle opgewarm het. Dringendheid by die Crusaders en flouheid by die Stormers.

      cj - 2011-07-04 11:13

      Dis waar Roelf, die Stormers se opwarming sessie was reg voor my. Ek kon nie glo hoeveel hanteerfoute hulle maak met hul hanteer "drills" nie, en dit sonder opposisie ! Die Stormers het hulsef voor die tyd al uit die game gepraat met hul ophemeling van Carter,McCaw en die Crusaders se voorry veral. Selfde as verlede jaar toe hulle Soweto toe is sonder enige werklike geloof dat hulle kan wen.

  • Kleinboet - 2011-07-04 01:00

    Allister, please man, do not try to find excuses! We were outplayed and that is that. The guys do not arrive on the field with a conviction that they can win and grind away at it for 80 minutes. The silly mistakes come from self-doubt under pressure. Please get a psychologist to help them prepare for the really big games. I see it everywhere in sport: the man who believes he is the best, will better his opponent. Oh, and what about feeding Kitshoff some mieliepap so that he can take over sooner from our not really up to standard props? Yes, get a scrum docter and somebody to teach them how to secure the ball when they go to ground. I'm a Stormers fan and I want desparately to be proud of my team. Please, we cannot always say we have learned from our losses. We have learned nothing, we still commit the same mistakes over and over again! We had a good season and it was thrown away in a matter of minutes when it really counted. No wonder those historicans/hystericals from up North laughs at us. It hurts, man!

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-04 03:40

      12th cupless year coming up!! Ba bwa Bwa HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!! S@ck it you arrogant Stormer idiots!!

  • Mike@CapeT - 2011-07-04 03:39

    12th cupless year coming up!! Ba bwa Bwa HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!! S@ck it you arrogant Stormer idiots!!

  • sam.iam13 - 2011-07-04 05:23

    Was this match a trailer of things to come from the all blacks..?well done crusaders...The crusade continues for another week...!

      !!Vrystaat!! - 2011-07-04 07:09

      Luckily not, Look at 2007, We did not do good in the tri-nations etc , but when the games are played that has meaning, THEN we can play. Meaning dont read to much into this, World Cup is a total other story.

  • Whoosa - 2011-07-04 06:26

    Ok, lets forget about the bulls and comment to whats relevant to this article. Whe as bulls had to endure alot of haressment this season by the so called "elite of sa ruby who won the cup in march all ready". First of all, it was shocking to see the senior players in the sotrmers side playing shocking. No leadership from senior players and no captaincy by schalk. Grant- Vodacom cup material, end of. Your mighty god given talented loosies, where absalutely man handled at breakdown. Looked like kids playing giants. The highly rated uber talented woenderkint koster was so out of his depht. And i feel sorry for these young guys, they had been lead by headless chickens. As for the tight 5. Cant remember when last did i see a pack being destroyed like that in a semi. Harris and Blouww now all of a sudden gets all the stick? But what was Ryenard "frik du preez" Elstadt and backline bekker doing behind these guys at scrum time? Smelling their buts??? Where was Jean "danie gerber" de Villiers??? I can recall one of you okes claiming him as the best rugby player of all times after scorring that try against the sharks outsmarting the worst center (meyer bosman)?? the only player that looked like he wanted to play rugby was Habana?? This really was a shocking performance and if this is the best that SA has got to show the world, i hang my head in shame.

  • Niekie - 2011-07-04 06:46

    I felt so ashamed on saturday when the Crusaders' player ran onto the pitch first to celebrate his 100th game and the bunch of inbred, sub-human scum of the earth stormer supporters decided to boo him! If it was a Bulls player one could understand it because of the decades of hate between the two teams, but why Boo the Saders? Seriously, the "boooolands" crowd is the worst in the world!

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 07:00

      It reflects their upbringing.

      cj - 2011-07-04 11:16

      Being a Stormers supporter myself. I was also stunned and ashamed by that.

      carjan - 2011-07-04 13:45

      Yes I agree. it is all about upbringing - schocking and disgusting

      tamzinjm - 2011-07-04 17:37

      to top that off....some pple in the crowd got up and left with ten mins of the game left becoz Stormers werent winning! What ever happened to watching the game just for the love of it? I honest to god dont mean for this to come out in an attacking way but, just becoz there are no more sa teams left that it is the end of S15...once again...wat happened to watching it just for the love of the game? It makes me sick. Its nice to see decent supporters on here. Cheers Guys

  • Balsakhater - 2011-07-04 06:54

    All WP games will now be moved to the Cricket channel - Chokers. Bwohahahahahaha Stormers SUCK!!!

  • Durasmart - 2011-07-04 07:01

    Saturday was the best thing that could have happened for Springbok rugby in the WC year, because hopefully it has opened PdV's eyes. The best performance of the Boks since he took over as coach was in 2009 and the worst in 2010. What was the difference? In 2009 Jean deVilliers was the only Stormer in the Bok team after Schalk got banned for gouging. In 2010 there were 8 Stormers in the side. I rest my case.

  • gsaker1 - 2011-07-04 07:15

    You have to bare in mind that b4 everyone gets too critical the Crusaders is close to an All Black full strength as they are now and in that kind of form...there isn't a team in the comp who can beat them...if they play like that against the Red's...the Red's won't win's not that teams like the Stormers and Red's aren't good's just that a team full of players who are the best or second best in the world in their position is never going to be easy to beat when they fire like they did on Saturday night and when they have easily the best scrum in the world...And the talent on the Crusaders bench...3 All ridiculous as well - why do you think they've made the final ten times (including this one) and won it 7 and after this weekend it will most likely be 8 no use beating everyone up about it...they just have sooooo many world class players it's almost unfair...but that's rugby...

  • Zooma Lema - 2011-07-04 07:19

    Sorry, your tight five is not up to scratch. And your loose forwardsgot stuck in the first gear. And clown Habana... ha ha haa ha!

  • Dave-the-bul - 2011-07-04 07:56

    If the Bulls don't do it for South African Rugby there is no other union that can. FACT proven to many time! BULLS GREATEST TEAM ALIVE

  • georgemtem - 2011-07-04 08:19

    poor stormers, they simply played against a better side. Crusaders to take the S15 cup. I think Reds would have luvd to host Stormers in the final.....go go go saders

  • Tombstone - 2011-07-04 08:30

    the reason why the Stormers are losers is because of you Allister - Get out because your rugby are too conservative - yu need to be expansive in yr ideas and yu are not

  • wpmannetjie - 2011-07-04 09:32

    We got a lesson in rugby no excuse from my side ,disappointing yet again as a stormer supporter ,but lets pick up the piece the curriecup season is around the corner lets focus and do our best again .....wp jou leka ding !!

  • Rudi - 2011-07-04 09:34

    How can you say that the crusaders were better? The problem was1) the front row playing between the 2 centres. 2)They were never at the ruck to clear and present clean ball to the scrumhalf,3) they left that work to the backs. 4) When the crusaders backline had the ball they were up against the slow frontrow making it easy to break the line. 5) The Stomers backline either didnt have or couldnt do any set moves because of the front three in the backline. Idont know if Alister Coetzee coaches them to play there or they do it by themselves or why dont anyone tell them to go and to the work they were supposed to? It wasnt just this game , it like this every game. Then on top of it all they got hammered in the scrum. So if he Stormers really want to become the force they claim to be it should be with a much better coach and front row. Oh and the fact that the ref and touch judges didnt pick up that the Crusader wings was offside every time Carter kicked the ball is a mistery to me.

      Bulldozer - 2011-07-04 09:45

      After reading ''How can you say that the crusaders were better?'', I stopped.

  • Rudi - 2011-07-04 09:39

    I hate it when the coach say they were too good for us, why not say we were way below average. Coetzee must go and assist a coach. Please Stormers just get Rassie back or someone the likes winning.

      BlueRaven - 2011-07-04 10:55

      Rudi you have Rassie he is the man in the power seat lol

  • gsaker1 - 2011-07-04 12:32

    Hey Rudi probably the same reason the ref gave the a penalty two the Stormers right in front - for the Crusaders player being off his feet when he stole the ball and the replay showed the guy he penalised wasn't the one who stole the ball but another Crusaders player who was on his feet...pointed out by yr own commentators...Hey Rudi..probably the same reason a ball was called out on the full after it came of a Stormers player who was ruled to be outside the field of play when it touched him and again the replay showed that the ball clearly came off him before he was outside the field of play...instead of a lineout to the Crusaders in a strong attacking position the opposite in favor of the Stormers - again noted by yr own commentators - funny how we only see what we wanna see eh mate? Refs make mistakes get over it..If the Stormer weren't so comprehensively outplayed but a superior side you'd have no complaints I'm sure...I ordered a clown for my kids birthday that's not you is it?

  • Green Oaks - 2011-07-04 12:51

    Everybody says the Stormers were out gunned at the break down. You are going to if you got Bekker standing in the wing position the whole time. You need to have the grunt up front to win the ball. I can't remember when the last time I saw him involved in the loose. You are a forward not a wing. You don't see Bakkies or Danie or Matfield or Elstadt standing around and getting in the way of the backs

  • jk - 2011-07-04 13:04

    well done crus-much better team on the day, no excuses... You guys\dolls will hear from me in the c\cup again. ciao!!

  • Chris - 2011-07-04 13:14

    could someone please tell me where i can find a picture of the conference cup that the stormers have won, i have looked everywhere but cant find it, maybe its in their heads and not in the trophy cabinet

  • carjan - 2011-07-04 13:43

    Ai Alaister - you are at least honest. !

  • George - 2011-07-04 15:14

    Well done to the Crusaders, they seem to have realised that in a long season like S15 the best finishers will win if they play well towards the end of the tournament. However, does anyone out there agree with me that the holy Dan Carter would have been cited if his name was Bakkies Botha for his high tackle on Nick Koster, folowed by leaning down on his neck, so that Nick had to receive medic attention. Clearly none of the officials saw this, probably because thay were trying to see how they could nail Schalk Britz !!

  • Roelf - 2011-07-04 18:38

    Was op Nuweland. Die Stormers het al klaar verloor nog voor die game begin het. Jy kon die verskil in die spanne sien toe hulle opgewarm het. Dringendheid by die Crusaders en flouheid by die Stormers.

  • hikup - 2011-07-05 15:11

    The word chokers come to mind.

  • cobus - 2011-07-06 08:36

    Die seisoen wanneer die Stormers nie tuis wedstryde verloor nie , alleen dan het hulle n kans om die beker te vat , Crusaders en Bulle is n bewys. Ons moet die wen resep by die bulle en crusaders kry. Ons het die spelers maar geen selfvertroue.

  • cobus - 2011-07-06 08:53

    Stormers het weer n goeie jaar gehad maar die feit dat hulle tuis wedstryde verloor het is hoekom hulle nie die beker kan huistoe bring nie. Kyk na die Bulle en Crusaders , Elke span wat op loftus teen die Bulle gaan speel weet dat dit n toffie is maar dis nie dieselfde in die geval van die Stormers nie.Ek dink die Stormers moet die resep van wen rugby en selfvertroue by die Bulle en Crusaders kry want dis al wat nog nodig is..

  • Tamzin M - 2011-07-06 12:25

    People....stick to the point. This Column speaks about 'Saders and Stormers....its got F**K all to do with Bulls or any other team.

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