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Steyn set for Super 14 record

2010-04-14 22:31

JJ Harmse

Pretoria – Bulls fly-half Morné Steyn is set to become the new South African points record holder in Super rugby during the course of Saturday’s Super 14 match against the Reds in Brisbane.

However, the chances are slim that he will break the record with a drop goal.

Steyn has scored 643 points in Super rugby and is likely to move past the record of 645 set by André Pretorius.

The Bulls pivot is already the leading scorer in this year’s Super 14 on 149 and averages 19 points per game. However, that total includes only one drop goal.

Last year, Steyn succeeded with 11 drop goals in the Super 14.

Bulls kicking coach Vlok Cilliers states that drop goals are a rarity this year compared to last year’s tournament. Last year there were 99 attempted drop goals, with 37 of the efforts coming from the Bulls.

“The big reason is the new application of the breakdown law. Teams are now rather keeping the ball in the red zone close to their opponents’ goal line. The chances are much better that you will score a try or get a penalty and that is why there are less drop goal attempts,” said Cilliers.

There have been 13 successful drop goals to date this year.

“I don’t expect it to increase dramatically. There is just too much reward in keeping the ball and rather attacking,” said Cilliers.

He added that Steyn is aware of the record.

“For him it’s not about that. Morné is aware of what his statistics are, but he won’t hesitate to sacrifice it in the interests of more points for the team. Those two long-range penalties against the Chiefs were a good example. Both were probably just out of his reach, but he still tried because it could possibly have led to points for the team.”

Cilliers points to all the top goalkickers in the competition performing the task better on their home ground.

“The leading kickers’ success ratios dip away from home. Morné is at 80%, but I predict that it will improve when we start playing at Loftus again. There are a number of factors affecting kickers away from home, especially if they kick on a new field every weekend and under different conditions.”

Cilliers said that Steyn’s success ratio is better than it was at the corresponding time last year.

“Morné had the third best success ratio in last year’s Super 14 and kicked at 74%.

“I think the success he had in the Bok jersey, the fact that he could win the Currie Cup with the Blue Bulls and that he could establish himself in the Bok team, led to a better kicking performance.

“We have not changed his technique.”

Cilliers added that Steyn’s lower success ratio on the Springbok tour at the end of last year was to be expected.

“It is averages setting in. Remember, he is not a machine.”

Bulls team:
15. Zane Kirchner, 14. Gerhard van der Heever, 13. Stephan Dippenaar, 12. Wynand Olivier, 11. Francois Hougaard, 10. Morné Steyn, 9. Fourie du Preez, 8. Pierre Spies, 7. Dewald Potgieter, 6. Derick Kuun, 5. Victor Matfield (captain), 4. Danie Rossouw, 3. Werner Kruger, 2. Gary Botha, 1. Gurthrö Steenkamp

Substitutes: 16. Bandise Maku, 17. Bees Roux, 18. Flip van der Merwe, 19. Deon Stegmann, 20. John Mametsa/Heini Adams, 21. Jacques-Louis Potgieter, 22. Pedrie Wannenberg/Jaco Engels

Sport24

Comments
  • bulawayo-based-bok - 2010-04-14 23:25

    snapping on the heels of DC10 in my opinion :):):)......his attacking game is improving and his general kicking is as good as Carter's, it's just DC's defence that pips Morne to the post! it has been good that Ruan Pienaar/Morne Steyn and Peter Grant have all been kicking consistently well......unlike the kiwis who have been completely "off the ball" in this area!!

  • O come on! - 2010-04-15 00:52

    Go JJ chickensh@t go! Tortoise Steyn is as big an idiot as vd Heever.Overrated Currie Cup player who had a lucky break in 2009. They call it a flash in the pan player. Without FDPreez he will be 100% exposed as a average player although he even looked very very average away from Moftus even with du Preez at 9. Put January at 9 for 80 minutes with Steyn at 10 and you will see how k@k and slow he really is. Why didn’t the Bulls “prince of coaches”(Heyneke Meyer) prefer him ahead of Derrick Hougaard? Simple...because he was and still is to slow for a no 10. Against the Blues FDPreez had a bad game and Steyn had a nightmare. He was k@k against the Chiefs as well and not better against the Force. But yes mate this is SA supporters with blindfolds on! Steyn’s defence is pathetic and with show pony no 2 (witkop Olivier) next to him they will suffer against the tired Reds this weekend. SA will not even reach the WC Final with overrated players like Pierre the main show pony Spies, Tortoise Steyn and “maak vir my plek” Smit in the team. BUT...what can you expect from an idiot like JJ who wants to tell us that vd Heever (yes that poefter from Tshwane) is as good as or even better than Habana. Typical SA supporters with tunnel vision when it comes to their own players. Since Habana moved to WP the “loyal boertjies from the blue apes” recon he is all of a sudden k@k!Dan (THE MAN) Carter is still at least 60% better than Steyn even while he is at the moment not at top form. Cooper (Reds), Grant (Stormers), Giteau and Barnes are all better fly halves than Steyn. Would love to see sister Steyn and steroids Spies in a Lions team...hehehehehehhehe!

  • Blue Bull Hater/Anti-Blue Bull - 2010-04-15 05:58

    Morne Steyn is a a flyhalf that can only kick, there is no way that he can be compared with the GREAT Daniel Carter!! He's defence and attack is very, very WEAK!! Up you PETER GRANT!!!

  • Ryan - 2010-04-15 07:29

    Why dont you anti-bulls supporters go comment on your own team... You all just jealous of the Bulls at the top of log... Grow up...

  • Pierre - 2010-04-15 07:32

    JAjajajajaja lekke jaloers all your anti Bulls supporters. Steyn proved himself as a good defender who can Play,Kick takkle and run so all your stupid anti Blue Bulls go shout at all your useless teams who stay at the bottom of the log every year. I am sure you people that make bad comments don't live a proper life and just look at the news colloms every day to give your negative comments. Admit it all of you the Bulls was the best before, is the best now and will always be the best.

  • Shame - 2010-04-15 07:40

    It is funny how people can show how much of an idi*t they are. The must be watching these games in their dreams so comeon is doing it in his wet dreams and blue bull hater is floating in a sewerage tank. Wake up, were are your credentials, where did you play what did you achieve in the sport world, I guess nothing your abilities are as bad as your IQ. Learn to read then go to the stats and weep. Oh and why do you guys like to buy old bulls and suddenly call them the best. .

  • cotty - 2010-04-15 07:42

    @Blue Bull Hater/Anti-Blue Bull... u seem to pass the most insane comments.....peter grant? are u kidding, his good but his not a bok!!! your comments yesterday about fourie du preez just goes to show you have no idea what rugby is about!!!

  • WP man - 2010-04-15 08:00

    Ek stem gedeeltelik saam met @o come on! Steyn het besliste gebreke (veral op die aanval). Maar ongelukkig is hy tans die beste wat ons het. Ek is 'n groot Stormers en WP ondersteuner,ek is ook nie blind vir Peter Grant se gebrek aan oordeel as dit by taktiese skopwerk kom nie. As Grant sy skopwerk kan regkry, sal ek hom bo Steyn kies. Maar laat ons eerlik wees - daar is tans nie 'n super losskakel in Suid-Afrika nie

  • Bok 4 Life - 2010-04-15 08:05

    Morne is a kicking machine and thats all, while i think Joe Peterson is a much more versatile player and should be given a chance in the bok starting line-up

  • Carl Muller - 2010-04-15 08:17

    The children are here again. I think it is time that they kick the people that are negative off these pages. I can see why O come on is ashamed for his name. Bring his mother in disrespect because it shows he was taught no manners. The Bulls are on top because they are the best.

  • GoBull - 2010-04-15 08:19

    So, ho many tries have Morne Steyn scored this season compared to P Grant? I'm sure MS scored more - cant remember PG scoring ANY, but i may be mistaken. And if MS and GvdH and all the other Bulls are so bad, you Stormertjies should be glad rather than nasty. Looks to me you are rather scared sh!t.

  • arra - 2010-04-15 08:19

    @o come on/blue bull hater-PLEASE stop your childish remarks about the bulls.The only positive everyone can read on your remarks is the lack of intelligence.STOP before people start comparing you with a certain ancyl president

  • Deon - 2010-04-15 08:26

    @ O come on!! Where have you been the last couple of season you idiot?? Obviously your team is not making the cut! SPies and Steyn are great players....and also "you make your own luck". If one doesn't have talent you can be the luckiest guy in the world but you won't make a 53m kick!! I'm sure you were jumping for joy when he kicked the boks to victory against the Lions!! Strange how quickly people forget. Against the Blues the whole team had a bad game!! Wake up!!

  • Bob - 2010-04-15 08:35

    This just shows how short SA has been of flyhalves in the last decade. The Aussies (Mortlock) and All Blacks (Carter) leading points scorers have both racked up over 1000 points each. But more power to Morne, for having reached the SA record so young. Let's hope he has many more years in the Bok jersey ahead, and I suppose in the Blue one too. He has the potential to reach the 1000 pt mark

  • Rugby Supporter - 2010-04-15 08:47

    @ & Blue Bull Hater - don't you suffer from a bad bout of verbal diarrhoea this morning! What concerns me is that your condition is not improving gauging by your continued sub-standard comments over the past couple of weeks. I suggest you seek medical advice as your condition appears to be severe. You are wasting space and time on these bloggs that could have been filled by constructive comments that at least provides some food for thought. If you have difficulty debating at this level, then leave the bloggs alone and complete your colouring book - could the editors on these bloggs not perhaps start with a card system whereby people who continuously make thoughtless comments like Blue Bull Hater be given a red card thereby banning him for spilling his absurd comments for at least 3 years untill he reaches puberty. Seriously, I'm losing interest in these bloggs as a result of people like this who cannot manage to utter any constructive comment.

  • Jan - 2010-04-15 09:05

    Prove me wrong - Morne Steyn is currently the best kicker we have. When one debates who’s the best the only thing one can use is statistics. All else is subjective opinions. Who is the greatest Bok that ever played. A lot of people will say Frik du Preez. Statistically Percy Montgomery is the greatest Bok that ever played. Opinions will differ, but yet again it will be subjective. Morne improved his game and is much better in attack and defense. My only concern is his performance when he is under pressure. The bulls are currently the best team. My only concern, looking at the Stormers, although they have not won a title yet, they are the best supported team throughout Super Rugby history. Something the bulls can not say. When the bulls do not perform well the so called Rugby Supporters disappear and you find this blue wave of empty seats at Loftus. Any of your Bulls that do not agree, go and look at statistics. You will find support figures on Wikipedia for each Super Rugby game. In summary, Bulls Supporters are only BULLS SUPPORTERS when their team is winning. Disagree – well your attendance during seasons when you were at the bottom of the log proves it.

  • Gerrit@Rugby Supporter - 2010-04-15 09:06

    You must learn to read selectively, buddy. Your time is precious, don't waste it on the postings that are always the same kak over and over again. Start to recognise the names. Today you have identified one such time waster.

  • Jan - 2010-04-15 09:16

    Prove me wrong - Morne Steyn is currently the best kicker we have. When one debates who’s the best the only thing one can use is statistics. All else is subjective opinions. Who is the greatest Bok that ever played. A lot of people will say Frik du Preez. Statistically Percy Montgomery is the greatest Bok that ever played. Opinions will differ, but yet again it will be subjective. Morne improved his game and is much better in attack and defense. My only concern is his performance when he is under pressure. The bulls are currently the best team. My only concern, looking at the Stormers, although they have not won a title yet, they are the best supported team throughout Super Rugby history. Something the bulls can not say. When the bulls do not perform well the so called Rugby Supporters disappear and you find this blue wave of empty seats at Loftus. Any of your Bulls that do not agree, go and look at statistics. You will find support figures on Wikipedia for each Super Rugby game. In summary, Bulls Supporters are only BULLS SUPPORTERS when their team is winning. Disagree – well your attendance during seasons when you were at the bottom of the log proves it.

  • Lion Supporter - 2010-04-15 09:22

    Every person has their opinion on who is great and who is not...as in F1 the anti schumie guys say he only had the best car...the anti bulls say morne steyn is only good coz of the great team around him. Was naas botha any good ? or was he good because of the great team around him ? Can anyone else name 5 other players that played with naas for 'n couple of seasons at north transvaal? Probably not. In 15 years time we will still be referring to morne and fourie de preez, probably even pierre spies and pedrie wannenburg. The stats show (and history will always refer to them) that morne steyn has been the world flyhalf of choice for the last two seasons. Hate them or love them the bulls team is great at the moment. The stormers arent too shabby themselves but thank goodness the bulls team will beat them, ill support all SA teams except the WP/.Stormers... even support OZ and NZ teams vs the glamour boys with the flat mountain. But thats my opinion. But hopefully the LIONS have learnt to tackle and win both halves of the match on the same day :)

  • Sous - 2010-04-15 09:27

    Ek is 'n groot Stormer ondersteuner en ek wil net se dat Morne die best No10 wat ons het. Peter Grand het nog baie om te leer. Morne het als wat 'n No 10 moet he. 'n Sterk voet, goeie bal verspreiding en hy kan verdedig. My no 1 losskakel is Morne. Hy verdien dit, en asb los die Bulle uit. Hulle speel uitstekkende rugby...

  • marking - 2010-04-15 09:50

    @bluebull hater you are a very very sad boy, im not even a blue bulls supporter but you really need to get a life dude! you just embarrassing yourself with your ignorance and lack of rugby knowledge!

  • KeepItReal - 2010-04-15 09:51

    All the anti-bull comments will not make the stats go away :-) .... and that is what remains in the history books for ever. BULLS - top of the log, biggest supporter base, most players in the S14 team, most posts generated on the forums - when you're a real CHAMP you remain that - a real champion.

  • STORMER - 2010-04-15 10:49

    Fascinating.... Racist comments - Bulls fans laugh Sexist comments - Bulls fans laugh Sexual orientation comments - Bulls fans laugh Mention the Bulls, Religion or Historical fact, and the laager forms....with the resounding Battle CRY: 'dont touch us on our studio'... (I can see a Mastecard ad in this....)

  • Megabull - 2010-04-15 11:29

    Go Morne make us proud!

  • Boerseun - 2010-04-15 11:32

    Die Blou Bul weet nie van verloor af nie

  • Telg - 2010-04-15 11:55

    @STOMER, what is more facinating is the fact that at Newlands a good 30%+ of the supporters support the opposition, doesn't matter who they are..................? Don't believe it, go fish for your self. Malema list for this blog: 1. O come on 2. Blue Bull Hater

  • Chris - 2010-04-15 12:05

    STORMER jy is 'n regte poephol ! Kan jy nie een goeie ding sê van 'n ander span behalwe die Stormers nie. Jou houding suig man!

  • STORMER SUPPORTER - 2010-04-15 12:09

    im probably the youngest onthis forum but i simply think these bulls haters are jealous! the bulls are a great team and thats was proven as they won the s14 twice which in my book is good enough,and as far as players in the team > they work well as a unit defensively and attacking,and morne steyn can only improve but thus he is making huge impact and he is as good:no players is hasa good game each time he steps on the field so you cnt judge by 2 or 3 bad game yet the bulls are on top because they are playing well,but ja my opinion which im entitled to but :cnt wait for the STORMERS AND BULLS NEXT INCOUNTER!! will be a good one

  • hardiblu - 2010-04-15 12:22

    STORMER - I cannot remember any Bulls supporters in laughing at your discriminatory comments the other day, they bordered on racist and most certainly on the grounds of creed, had it been well received then your comment today would have had substance, I then don’t really understand how you reach this conclusion. You have in fact proven by your comments that you of all people harbour these prejudices, do not therefore assume that everyone shares your views, least of all Bulls supporters, just as I will not assume that all Stormer supporters are not idiotic little cretins such as yourself. Not anywhere in the headline does it mention Stormers, so why do you feel it necessary to open an article not pertaining to anything you are remotely interested in, yet you feel compelled to skip straight to the comments to add your ton of manure. You are correct in one assumption though, we don’t stand alone and will rally around our own, something far beyond your comprehension, don’t try to understand it as your comments hint of a recluse existence

  • @KeepitReal - 2010-04-15 12:33

    You are so right. The Stats will not go away. Your comments only prove that most Bulls supporters have short memories. Stats show that when the Bulls were ate the bottom of the log you had the worst supporter base. You are however right that they do now have the biggest supporter base because they are winning. You are probably a closet supporter that only paints your face Blue when the team wins and only go to Loftus when the Bulls perform. There was a time when the Bulls union were close to bankrupcy due to poor crowd attendance. Regardless of your bias and ignorance, I salute the Bulls for what they have achieved. I am a Stormers fan and you will see me in the stands even when we loose. That is in essence the difference between a real supporter and supporters like you

  • Far and Away - 2010-04-15 12:37

    @Stormer Supporter. Seems to me "Young Skywalker" that you have wisdom far beyond your years. i think you may be right about the jealousy - it is the kind that is only found among juveniles..... Perhaps this is why your young eyes saw it for what it is. "Out of the mouths of babes and infants....."

  • rugby mal - 2010-04-15 12:41

    currie beker vanaf 1889 - 1936: Die tydperk was daar nie semi;s of finals gewees nie. Top was, het gewen. En daar was 8 spanne: WP, Griq; Transvaal; (Grens-Sharks-Vrystaat-OP- SWD hulle het net die getalle vol gemaak.) Western Province-17 x gewen Griqualand West- 2 x gewen Transvaal- 1 x gewen Grens- 2 x gewen Currie Beker vanaf 1939-2009 Soos in sy huidige vorm, waar daar semi's & finales is. Bulle- 23 x gewen(bestaan 72 jaar) WP- 15 x gewen(bestaan 127 jaar) Transvaal 9 x gewen(bestaan 121 jaar) Sharks 5 x gewen(bestaan 120 jaar) Vrystaat 4 x gewen(bestaan 115 jaar) Griq 1 x gewen(bestaan 123 jaar) boland bestaan 72 jaar OP bestaan 120 jaar Valke bestaan 61 jaar Griffons bestaan 41 jaar Leopards bestaan 90 jaar Pumas bestaan 40 jyaar SWD bestaan 10 jaar

  • STORMER - 2010-04-15 12:54

    @Chris... lees mooi my maat. I said nothing of the Bulls in that post at all. What I did was highlight a VERY REAL tendency (a tonsil tendency) on this blog.....Use it, don't use it.

  • WPBOY - 2010-04-15 13:08

    Where is the WAGGA now? and what happened to BULLA?

  • Boerseun - 2010-04-15 13:09

    Thanks Rugby-mal

  • Far and Away - 2010-04-15 13:45

    Morne Steyn is a complete flyhalf - period. His kicking game, off a tee, and out of hand is as good as any international flyhalf. His defence is good, and so is his distribution. Be sure, a flyhalf who doesn't know how to distribute a ball, will not have his wings scoring 10 tries, and his inside centre looking great. They said the same thing about Naas, and the stats showed that Naas's backline scored more tries than any other "running flyhalf" in the era's before him. Whilst Morne is no Naas, i do believe he is often called (only) a kicking flyhalf. He runs when the try is on. That is to say, he plays the situation.

  • Far and Away - 2010-04-15 14:17

    @ HARDIBLU. Enjoyed your post man - lucid, and well constructed, some might even say smart.... Can it be so? Are you not a Bulls man,,,

  • Julius - 2010-04-15 14:29

    Who is this dude anyhow ?

  • @ Jan - 2010-04-15 14:39

    That's because the stormers supporters are just so use to being at the bottom of the log they go to nuweland anyway. And they got nothing else to do in the mother k@k city. There's an old saying that goes, 'There's nothing wrong with Cape Town, It's just full of Capetonians'. The comments posted on this blog prove this.

  • @ O come on! - 2010-04-15 15:01

    You sound like a white version of Malema! Talking about tunnel vision, are we? You seem to be staring down a tunnel. Oh sorry, it's your head stuck up your own @ss! F@&%ing idiot!!!

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