SA 'goon' targets Bryce

2011-10-18 15:06

RWC Mediawatch with Rob Houwing

Cape Town - Is there a modern-day “Piet van Zyl” on the loose, angrily targeting referees perceived to be blowing the Springboks off the park?

The generous-girthed Van Zyl earned notoriety almost 10 years ago when he ran onto the Kings Park pitch to attack Irishman Dave McHugh during a Test between South Africa and New Zealand, leaving him with a dislocated shoulder.

Now, on a slightly lesser scale, it seems a successor is on the loose at RWC 2011, if a column by the Sydney Morning Herald’s Greg Growden on Tuesday is to be believed.

Growden wrote after the All Blacks-Wallabies semi-final, attended by a fair tally of lingering Bok supporters: “To the credit of the Wallabies supporters who were at Eden Park on Sunday night, they generally took with good grace the All Blacks triumph.

“However the antics of some Springboks supporters at the ground were well below what is acceptable. One of our good snouts was sitting near New Zealand referee Bryce Lawrence, and everything was fine until the whistle-blower was noticed by a South African moron, who began berating him about his performance in the quarter-final against the Wallabies.

“If you think Quade Cooper is New Zealand public enemy No 1, then Lawrence is South African public enemy No 1.

“Our snout said that someone from Lawrence’s party had to intervene and move the agitator away from the referee. And no, the South African goon was not Andre Watson.”

*The British and Irish Lions are due to tour Australia next, in 2013, and if at least one scribe is to be believed, the starting XV may differ substantially from the team which did duty in the 2-1 series defeat in South Africa two years ago.

Chris Foy of the Daily Mail suggested in the London-based paper this week that Wales’s status as best-performing Home Union at the World Cup might see them command as many as 11 places in the “first team” against the Wallabies two years up the road.

Foy picked a possible Lions XV “based on current form” and this was his notably Welsh-monopolised line-up: 15 Leigh Halfpenny (Wal), 14 Tommy Bowe (Ire), 13 Manu Tuilagi (Eng), 12 Jamie Roberts (Wal), 11 George North (Wal), 10 Rhys Priestland (Wal), 9 Mike Phillips (Wal), 8 Toby Faletau (Wal), 7 Sam Warburton (Wal), 6 Sean O’Brien (Ire), 5 Alun Wyn Jones (Wal), 4 Paul O’Connell (Ire), 3 Adam Jones (Wal), 2 Matthew Rees (Wal), 1 Gethin Jenkins (Wal).

That would be a rather less “representative” spread than started the dead-rubber final Test against the Boks at Coca-Cola Park in 2009, when the Lions won 28-9.

That side contained only five Welshmen, with six players from England and four from Ireland also getting a look-in.

Foy also suggests deposing Irish second-rower O’Connell as captain and installing Warburton in his place.

* RWC final odds on BET.CO.ZA: New Zealand vs France


  • Lionel - 2011-10-18 15:11

    Give that man a Bells!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Gillbert - 2011-10-18 15:19

      i posted something simmiler to this last week lol passop vir n boer het daai ding om n ref te wil moer

      David - 2011-10-18 15:28

      Jip, Lawrence will find it somewhat difficult to move about and not being mocked. He brought it on himself though!!

      Lionel - 2011-10-18 15:34

      Gillbert,for some reason I can't open it,I rememeber that day very clearly when old Piet van Zyl ran onto that field and nailed the ref,AJ Venter still punched him in the nose:):):)I am sure we all have days like that when we want to climb into the Ref hahahahaahah

      Gillbert - 2011-10-18 15:38

      haha yes AJ and richie Mcaw punched him... still take my hat of that oak as he did what most of wanted to do for some time back then

      paul.maarman - 2011-10-18 16:09

      give the man a case of bells, make that two....I am one that usually comes with a centered approach, things of the past , need to be forgiven and forgotten....I am finding it hard to do so with this merely replying to this, I know I still have a long way to go....F u Bryce....!!!

      Lionel - 2011-10-18 16:15

      @Paul,I understand your frustrations, somedays when I watch highlights of that game or the semis where we should have been my blood boils all over again!!!!!!!!!

      paul.maarman - 2011-10-18 16:23

      that same this side, I am now avoiding any highlights....!!

      Jaymi - 2011-10-18 16:26

      Brilliant - Lionel

      Bootman - 2011-10-18 16:52

      Why are people on this site so intent on rewarding anybody they support with cheap whiskey. If somebody were to "give me a bells" as reward for anything, I would take it as an insult. Rather give the man a Johnny Walker Blue.

      Lara - 2011-10-18 19:29

      Definitely doesn't need a Bols.

      Bob - 2011-10-18 19:39

      you lost move on.......

  • Philip - 2011-10-18 15:14

    Who is this Rob Houwing? "A South African moron"? I think we know who the only moron was.

      Kalf - 2011-10-18 16:32

      Philip... Share your sentiments, but the rubbish was actually written by Greg Growden... an Australian sports "writer"... (who else)... Poor old Rob Houwing is not the culprit here... Before quoting Growden, he actually said that "if the column by Growden is to be believed..."

      Kalf - 2011-10-18 16:44

      Philip... Agree with your sentiments, but the RUBBISH was not written by Rob Houwing... It was actually written by Greg Growden, an Australian excuse for a "sports writer"... Rob Houwing just informed us on what has been written by the Aussie bobbejaan... Before he quoted Growden, he even stated.... "if the column by Growden is to be believed..." Poor old Rob... Sjame man!

      Kalf - 2011-10-18 16:58

      Apologies for the two replies... My initial reply "vanished" from the board for some strange reason... Wish I could get Bryce bobbejaan "vanished" from the rugby scene however...

  • Lida - 2011-10-18 15:16

    Not done. Enough has been said. We should leave it alone now

  • martin.gee.godfrey - 2011-10-18 15:18

    Seems much ado about nothing. The man is a "goon" for allegedly berating the incompetent Lawrence. Seeing as no-one has actualy reported on what the "goon" actually said, it's rather a bit of a storm in the world tea cup. And as for the second part of the story already choosing a side for 2013, um don't you think that everyone should see what 2012 brings in the Northern Hemisphere first? A speculative article at best on what appears to be a very s l o w newsday in Auckland!

  • Craig - 2011-10-18 15:25

    I gotta tell you I`d rather be a South African Goon than an Aussie lout (Whinging gits), "good grace", my arse, they had no chance in hell of beating the All Blacks, Saturdays game was a mere formality.

  • Skinfaxi - 2011-10-18 15:38

    If Bryce "The Hitman" Lawrence was at the game, I wonder which team he was supporting?Maybe he was just there to learn how to be a real referee.

      Manus - 2011-10-18 17:11

      Ja, and I hope he got a very good look, because Joubert's performance was a superb example of what proper refereeing and game management should be.

  • Derek Gerber - 2011-10-18 15:39

    The only "goon" is Bryce Lawrence himself. If I was in his shoes I would have avoided any public interaction for a long time. It is always easier to accept a loss if your team did its best and fairplay dictated the outcome. Funny how the Welsh also did not like the outcome of their match, even if the decision by the refferee was correct, are they then also unsportsmanlike? SA supporters can justifiably feel that their team has been treated unfairly, that is just human. In all honesty this year's RWC is a bit of a shambles given the impact refferees had in many of the matches.

      rondee.scherman - 2011-10-19 11:53

      Derek, maybe he was told by his pal Paddy O'Brien to go and watch how a match should be refereed. And Craig showed him how a World Cup Final ref does it!

  • John - 2011-10-18 15:46

    Daar is maniere en dan is daar maniere....... en dan is daar net 'n algehele afwesigheid van maniere. Die ou spring seker ook lekker op en af as township bewoners in die strate betoog oor dienslewering en loop dan en vertel hoe onbeskof hierdie mense is. Nee wat.

      Johan - 2011-10-18 16:39

      stem saam John, .....die Protea-ondersteuners is besig om lelik naam weg te gooi...!!

      Marcel - 2011-10-19 08:27

      Man dit was nooit 'n Protea nie, Dit is byver die beste kode sport en was onregverdig ontneem van 'n geleentheid miskien moet jy leer wat trots is!

  • Darryl - 2011-10-18 15:58

    How do we go from a story about an 'SA reffing goon- on the loose' to naming a possible Lions team to tour Aus in 2013? Very confusing story?

      Lionel - 2011-10-18 16:00

      Only on News/Sport 24 my friend:):):)

  • mani.bodenstein - 2011-10-18 15:59

    should have P K-ed B L !

  • morne.deklerk - 2011-10-18 16:09

    Bryce can be lucky I wasnt there, this "Goon" sounds like my hero!!

  • Sam - 2011-10-18 16:10


  • lester.hoffman - 2011-10-18 16:11

    "Rob Houwing" you are an idiot of note. You have NOTHING to say, and were forced to present an article to keep your job, then you found out about ONE guy and suddenly "South Africans" are compared to Aussies? How about Shane Warne that laughed out loud at "Gogga" in the middle of an international game, or the countless other examples of arrogance displayed by Aussie sportsmen, shall I now determine that ALL Aussies are arrogant self-centred idiots with horrible sense of humour? And who? Who told you that Aussies were better sports than South Africans after their loss? Before you join Bryce on the list of ppl headed by the Dalai Lama that will not be getting SA visas, I suggest u find something useful to type before this kind of rubbish. To the "goon" : well done.

  • Kalf - 2011-10-18 16:14

    Greg Growden's prejudiced gargling is to be expected, much like his namesake and loadmouth counterpart from Auscatraz, Greg Martin... typical empty yap yap from the island bandits.... (not sure that these allegations hold any truth in any case... most likely a figment of his intelectually challenged imagination)... What surprises me however is that the Lawrence moron has been allowed near a rugby game again...

  • Alan - 2011-10-18 16:14

    i wouldn't call him a goon for having a go at Lawrence! I would call him a patriot!! Bryce Lawrence stuffed up that game... PERIOD!!! Just look at the NZ vs Ausie game where Pockock got nailed time and time again!! And not because it was a SA ref either!! Joubert has proved to be the best Ref in the tournament, hence he has the final to ref!! Bryce Lawrence is a "cheat!!! Period!!

      nickyvdnest - 2011-10-18 22:30

      Proteas is SA cricket team. The rugby team is the Springboks. Don't try aliases like "Bok" to try and hide your cowardly identity.

  • Frik - 2011-10-18 16:49

    good one Lionel, we should all mail the IRB on their website and demand not only an appology for ruining our world cup but also explain how they can contravine their own irb laws in allowing a ref to officiate a game that will determine who plays against the ref's home team in the semi-final. We would like to know who in the IRB made the call, and make sure his/their heads roll for this one. The IRB should be held responcible not just Bryce Lawrence.

      Bruce - 2011-10-18 23:56

      Frik - You make a good point amongst all this hysterical whining we are getting from other posters. The IRB should nver have a situation occur where the referee can be accused of favouring one or other of the teams that will play against his home team. Idem ditto Alain Rolland reffing the French and being part French.I think the problem is the IRB use a too small group of elite refs and there simply are not enough of them to get around this problem .FIFA on the other hand at the football WC have a far greater group of refs from all over the world. Having said that blaming Lawrence for the demise of the Boks is utterly self-delusional.With 80% possession the Boks have only themselves to blame for losing and that the Boks couldn't work out how to handle Pocock is sad.The AB's took him apart on sunday.

      Benmica - 2011-10-19 08:51

      Bryce's father and Paddy O'Brian are friends.....

      nasheenar - 2011-10-19 10:23

      You are absolutely correct in your comments. Someone allowed this and they need to answer questions. One cant help but feel this world cup was setup for the All Blacks

  • Shawn - 2011-10-18 16:49

    He should have given him a P K!!!!

  • Skinfaxi - 2011-10-18 16:55

    Rob Houwing I hope that one day you spend tens of thousands of rands to watch a competition and it turns into a complete fiasco and you have your hard earned money completely wasted. I hope by chance you come across the person who caused the fiasco and that you let that person have a piece of your mind. Then I hope someone writes about you and calls you a moron.

  • Heiku - 2011-10-18 16:58

    Gaan sukkel met almal maar pasop vir n boer want met klipdrift en coke word hy dagliks gevoer.

  • Anneleen - 2011-10-18 17:00

    brycie, your refereeing was below standard.

  • Ryan - 2011-10-18 17:36

    I always find it interesting when a professional writer has a lot to say about fans berating someone. Usually I agree its uncalled for...However, did anyone expect any less? Ive visted Australia numerous times, for a total of "living" there for almost a year and a half. Australian sports fans are probably one of the loudest in heckling or berating players/officials anywhere in the world. Where does this aussie writer come off criticising a SA fan, when he comes face to face with a poor excuse for a ref like BL, who single handedly changed this world cup? A fan is mocked and criticised for oh noes, heckling a ref. Nothing is said by Australian or NZ media or the IRB about the ref who destroyed a countrys hopes, and put a questionmark over this entire tournament. NO lets proteck the poor little sheep lover, and make sure no one can say anything bad about him, but lets make a whole article about one disgruntled fan.

  • Bob - 2011-10-18 18:23

    Maybe in Aus cheats are allowed to go unchallenged but most people in SA have a sense of fair play. Most probely the reason that Craig Joubert has been selected to ref the final.

  • Johann - 2011-10-18 18:32

    To all my rugby friends & especially the BOK supporters. We can keep on pointing out the incompetence of Bryce until we're blue in the face, but nothing will happen. The IRB have reviewed the game and found nothing wrong, and they will not suspend Bryce. Going forward what do we do? I say boycott any game that Bryce referees in future. Don't watch it on TV and don't go to the game. No ratings and an empty stadium will quickly change the IRB's attitude and Bryce will be gone.

  • Teagan - 2011-10-18 18:36

    As bad as BL was we should still have won the game, we made bad mistakes ourselves so we too are to blame. BL should be giving a suspension from refereeing, the good part in all of this is that our ref Craig Joubert will represent our country in the final, he was impecable in the semi

  • Peter - 2011-10-18 19:02

    So sick of this story! Nothing will happen to this pathetic individual. Paddy will protect him because he (Paddy) organised the whole setup.

  • David - 2011-10-18 19:15

    This article seems is talking about Lawrence, then suddenly talking about the Welsh in the Lions was this all bad reporting or i missed something.

  • Paul - 2011-10-18 19:28

    why dont we ask the other 2 refs about their take on the match or did they turn a blind eye 2

  • Zion - 2011-10-18 19:39

    No, just South Africans making their name , and ours, Bollie. Nothing unusual about that is it , Wot.

  • Noskalator - 2011-10-18 20:31

    Absolutely disgusting behaviour. Get the hell over it. Bryce Lawrence did a great job reffing that game. Take the eye patch off. You lost to the second ranked team. Couldn't score a try, didn't kick penalties to win the game. If you had beaten Australia, you still wouldn't have won the world cup. Grow up SA.

      Kevin - 2011-10-19 13:21

      Mr Noskalator (There's something I like about that name, I just can't think of it at the moment...!) Considering that most expert opinion disagrees that 'Bryce Lawrence did a great job reffing that game', I'll go with my initial thought that you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm pretty confident that the refereeing set-up in international rugby will be revised very soon - when Paddy, Bryce, Stuart and a few other gentlemen are removed from office, perhaps you might change your somewhat biased outlook. Think about it, SA were limited in how many refs we could send to the WC and poor refereeing is the main topic - work it out! By the way, ask Australia, Wales and Ireland if they were not affected by bad or weak refereeing.............

  • Lodewyk - 2011-10-18 20:37

    Lets get on with life, at least we rid of Snorre. Of ek koop so.

  • John - 2011-10-18 20:50

    No donder? No blitz? Aaagh, it was just talk, give Bryson an hearful for me!

  • Bob - 2011-10-18 20:57

    What a crap story - Peter Pan had more substance .

  • Kevin - 2011-10-18 21:00

    Please do not mention someone with integrity like Andre Watson in the same sordid company of Bryce Lawrence .Andre Watson reffed two World cup finals and did it with honour, Craig Joubert will do the same.Strange how good the South African Referees are. REMEMBER , THE NEW ZEALAND RUGBY BOARD AND BRYCE WANTED THE SAME THING. I smell a RAT. The so called "snout " you refer to SAW A RAT

  • John - 2011-10-18 21:00

    Only 1? Come on manne, give that man a klap! During the Soccer World Cup in Korea, the referees were blowing for Korea past a bunch of fancy european teams. After the game with Portugal, a true porra gave the referee a full punch in the face. He was expelled from FIFA soccer. But if you are not a player, so what? Give that man a klap!

  • thabo.makhalanyane - 2011-10-18 22:53

    that man deserves the highest honour in the country

      Bok - 2011-10-19 06:57

      When you are losers you support losers. Learn to lose graciously drop your arrogance, and maybe your team might start playing like a team. There is a huge difference in the way the Aussies accepted defeat ,and your lot. You could learn alot from it. You never deserved to be in the final. You make far to many mistakes you struggle at the breakdown, and only can score points against minnows

  • Phil - 2011-10-19 07:41

    Soort soek soort as they say. The Springboks of late have been losers and it seems the Bok fans are also sad losers. Maybe it is the stress of 'life' in the rainbow nation. Who knows , but abusing a referee and an old man in NZ who just happens to have the same name as that referee is unacceptable. Get a life okes.

  • Deon - 2011-10-19 08:22

    Story got a bit lost if you ask me....starting with a South African hero giving Bryce some stick and ended up with the Lions tour??

  • werner.smidt - 2011-10-19 08:46

    What the hell is a "snout"?

  • Benmica - 2011-10-19 08:47

    Lawrence can be glad he was not in South Africa....... too many people, too few guards to protect...

  • Theprodigy - 2011-10-19 08:48

    Lawrence is the "goon"

  • Pieter - 2011-10-19 08:59

    Must agree with all of you and the worst thing is I’ve looked at Reunion last week and the four people on the panel all said that the ref was not bad. I was amazed by the lack of integrity show in by them and the question must be asked was the ref really that bad or did he received a FAX again

      Theprodigy - 2011-10-19 09:22

      @Pieter, I have watched Reunion for years, most of the All Black players that appear on the show & commentators openly insult the Boks & South Africans ON THE SHOW, its unbelievable, they are a disgrace, I used to dislike Australia a lot, but NZers have of late surpassed their Anzack bothers in disrespect & arrogance department.

  • Theprodigy - 2011-10-19 09:25

    this link was posted BEFORE the Aus\SA game by a NZer, kind of says it all doesn't

  • Greg - 2011-10-19 10:02

    You all need help!!! Get a life and stop being spoilt brats! Boks lost, move on! Pitty we don't see the same zeal for building a more equal & just society. Now that is IMPORTANT and that is LIFE!!

  • Rene - 2011-10-19 10:18

    Lawrence is the most biased, useless and blind ref. in fact he is a disgrace to so many good people who blow the whistle. He could redeem himself by resigning from the fraternity and stop embarrassing himself. What an idiot. he should be banned from the game

  • Shona - 2011-10-19 11:07

    @Bootman...yes Bells mite be the cheaper whiskey but there's a joke behind that saying which is why everyone on the site uses it

  • Gavin - 2011-12-01 14:10

    No doubt a horndog from Biltongspruit....embarssing SA again as usual!

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