NZ PM: Poms are wannabes

2011-07-16 07:33

Wellington - New Zealand's Prime Minister John Key has described the England rugby team as "a bunch of wannabes" after they announced they would play at least one game in an all-black strip at the World Cup in New Zealand later this year.

England's decision has incensed New Zealand rugby fans who see it as a deliberate attempt to mimic the all-black strip worn by its national teams since 1874. The New Zealand rugby team has been known as the All Blacks since 1905.

England's Rugby Football Union said England will abandon their traditional white shirts for the September 10 pool meeting with Argentina, adding that their New Zealand counterparts had confirmed they have no problem with the switch.

But Key led a chorus of protests, saying "there's only one team that wears black with pride and that's the All Blacks."

All Blacks captain Richie McCaw played down the England decision on Saturday, though many former players expressed disappointment at what they saw as an attack on a New Zealand tradition.

World Cup-winning All Black Michael Jones described England's move as "psychological warfare." But McCaw said he was relatively unconcerned, even if it meant New Zealand might have to change from their all-black uniform if they play England in the final.

England plans to switch back to white for their remaining pool games but could break out the black again later in the tournament. The alternative shirt replaces the current gray jersey.

"If it comes down to what colour you wear determines how you play, then we've got trouble," he said. "That's the attitude we've got to have. What will be, will be. It would be nice to be in black, but if we're not, well, you just get on with it."

Keith Quinn, New Zealand's longest-serving rugby commentator, said England was "thumbing their noses at a New Zealand tradition."

"Of all the colours of the rainbow, why would they choose the color of the host nation?" he said.

New Zealand rugby fans took to social networking sites to express their anger at the colour change, warning the England team they face a hostile reception in New Zealand if they wear black.

A Facebook group called "Get Our Gear Off" was quickly established and contained the warning "if they try and steal our gear, they will not be welcome in New Zealand."

Group members posted photographs of the 1905 "Original" All Blacks, saying "these guys are turning in their graves." Other group members told England to revert to their traditional white jerseys and "take their flag back." The British Union Jack features on one corner of the New Zealand flag.

New Zealand have been forced at previous World Cups to change their jerseys to avoid perceived colour clashes with other teams. At the 2007 World Cup New Zealand lost a coin toss prior to their quarter-final against France, and were forced to change to a silver strip and went on to lose 20-18, their worst-ever World Cup performance.

New Zealand Rugby Union chief executive Steve Tew moved to reassure fans, saying England had told him of the colour change "as a courtesy" and assured him they would not force the All Blacks to wear white if the teams met at the World Cup.


  • ae.remote - 2011-07-16 08:22

    just a thought, isn't the All Black change strip,... wait for it ........ white???

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 10:21

      White top, black shorts, black socks. Not all white like England's kit.

      PJ - 2011-07-16 11:36

      Yep very similar to the Fiji kit, but why worry about them, their best players all get sent to NZ anyway, as do Samoans, Tongans etc

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 11:52

      Another whinge or excuse PJ? , oh BTW, has Mjati received SA citizenship yet, where's the beast from or P.Montgomery etc etc etc etc LOL LOL.... 1. John Afoa - born Auckland NZ 2. Ben Atiga – born Auckland NZ 3. Graeme Bachop – born Christchurch NZ 4. Stephen Bachop - born Christchurch NZ 5. William Birtwhistle – born Auckland NZ 6. Andrew Blowers – born Auckland NZ 7. Frank Bunce - born Auckland NZ 8. Christian Cullen - born Paraparaumu NZ 9. Michael Jones - born Auckland NZ 10. Josh Kronfeld - born Hastings NZ 11. Pat Lam - born Auckland NZ 12. Keith Lowen – born Huntly NZ 13. Lelia Masaga - born Wellington NZ 14. Aaron Mauger - born Christchurch NZ 15. Nathan Mauger - born Christchurch NZ 16. Keven Mealamu - born Tokoroa NZ 17. Brad Mika - born Auckland NZ 18. Dylan Mika - born Auckland NZ 19. Ma'a Nonu - born Wellington NZ 20. Kevin Senio – born Auckland NZ 21. Benson Stanley – born Auckland NZ 22. Jeremy Stanley - born Auckland NZ 23. Joe Stanley - born Auckland NZ 24. Neemia Tialata – born Wellington NZ 25. Filo Tiatia – born Wellington NZ 26. Ofisa Tonu'u – born Wellington NZ 27. Mose Tuiali'i – born Auckland NZ 28. Richard Turner - born Auckland NZ 29. Tana Umaga – born Lower Hutt NZ 30. Victor Vito – born Wellington NZ 31. Bryan Williams – born Auckland NZ 32. Sonny Bill Williams - born Auckland NZ

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 11:55

      @PJ: 1. Sosene Anesi – born Samoa played schoolboy rugby in NZ 2. Olo Brown - born Samoa arrived in NZ during primary school 3. Eroni Clarke - born Samoa arrived in NZ aged 3 4. Jerry Collins - born Samoa arrived in NZ aged 6 5. Alama Ieremia born Samoa arrived in NZ as a teenager 6. Jerome Kaino - born American Samoa arrived NZ at young age 7. Casey Laulala – born Samoa, arrived in NZ at young age 8. Chris Masoe - born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 9. Mils Muliaina - born Samoa arrived in NZ aged 2 10. John Schuster – born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 11. John Schwalger – born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 12. Dave Solomon – born in Fiji schooled in NZ 13. Frank Solomon - born in Fiji schooled in NZ 14. Rodney So'oialo – born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 15. Isaia Toeava – born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 16. Va'aiga Tuigamala – born Samoa arrived in NZ at young age 17. Rudi Wulf – born in Samoa arrived in NZ at very young age There are no Samoans that NZ poached from Samoa, they all are New Zealanders. The same is true for the "Tongans", like Jonah Lomu and Doug Howlett, both born in Auckland and Sione Lauaki who came to NZ during primary school. Only the Fijians, Joeli Vidiri and Sitiveni Sivivatu, learned their rugby prior to arriving in NZ and Vidiri was the only player to play for the All Blacks after representing his country of birth. He is the only island player NZ could ever have been accused of poaching

      Francois - 2011-07-17 00:23

      I don't think the Poms are wannebe All Blacks, they won the WC more recently and just as many times the ABs did. Last time they (the Poms) were finalist whilst NZ had to play Bledisloe cup to determine the seventh and eighth position. Keep you pants on, John Key, there may be some refs that are not for sale or whose hearts does not melt when McCaw gives his Jannie Jammergat look or when Sonny Bill gets DESTROYED by Pietersen when the latter is just turning around.

      Linzam - 2011-07-18 07:11

      Glad you liked my list, Sam! Good to see someone paying attention!

      Gazza69 - 2011-07-19 08:53


      Albo - 2011-07-19 12:08

      @sam - you have wwaaaaayyyyy to much time on your hands dude!!

      BlouBos - 2011-07-19 20:03

      @sam kaitawa – Can you from your side give me some more insight in NZ rugby. From a South African and personal point of view it seems that NZ rugby is in a crisis. Now days it seems like the Southern Sea Islanders (Tonga, Samoa and Fiji) are dominating the local seen in NZ. But what happened to the once proud Maori warriors and the big basket of local NZ European talent?

      Linzam - 2011-07-20 02:13

      Sam didn't make this list, I did. he borrowed it from one of my previous posts, even including my comments. It did take me several hours to compile but South Africans are so ignorant of how NZ rugby works that I thought it was worthwhile. Bluebous, there is no problem in NZ with islanders dominating rugby. They are actually all New Zealanders anyway. If you look at the current All Black squad there are 16 Europeans (some might qualify as part-Maori too) 6 Maori and 7 Samoans. Of the Samoans 3 were born outside NZ and all these three came to NZ as toddlers. You can't really say that islanders are dominating the All Blacks.

      BlouBos - 2011-07-20 20:26

      Linzam, tanks for the insight.

  • JanPierewiet - 2011-07-16 08:33

    To be honest, these changing colours, be it in S15, 7's or Test rugby, simply p's me off big time! Stick to tradition, people!

  • ZACommentator - 2011-07-16 08:37

    NZ will choke before the final, no isses with jersey

  • Dal2000 - 2011-07-16 09:04

    Yeah well your alternate strip is WHITE you bunch of sulking babies. So essentially you're also trying to be like England then?

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 10:18

      Do you watch rugby, the NZ 2nd strip has black shorts, white top, black socks. Another strip is a silvery strip. I suggest that you take a break from the keyboard, stop scoffing your face with junk food and get some fresh air. Have you ever played rugby?

      Raeez - 2011-07-19 09:07

      hahahahaha Good one Sam

  • PurpleDragon - 2011-07-16 09:24

    To all the Bok supporters saying All Blacks don't own black. Would you like it if another team decided to change their jersey to be exactly the same as the Bok jersey with exactly the same green and gold? I don't think so. You would also see it as that team pissing all over your tradition. It wouldn't be a problem if it was black and red or something like that, not completely black.

      Lebogang - 2011-07-16 10:15

      But we have changed into white strips against Ireland. Your point is somewhat childish.

      PurpleDragon - 2011-07-16 14:16

      Sorry Lebogang you didn't get my point properly. Would you like it if Australia ran out wearing green with gold necks like the Boks? I don't think so. England's Black Jersey is apparently going to be their FIRST jersey and not the away one!

  • casabanderas - 2011-07-16 10:46

    ....and what about the haka. Why should one team and one team only be allowed to perform an aggressive FU wardance at the start of every game they play. It is an offence in terms of the IRU now for the other team to ignore the haka or show any other responce. What if SA did a toyi toyi before the game or the Scots responded as per videolink: BAN THE HAKA or let others play the same.

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 12:07

      Awwwww, are saffas feeling left out? Strange how the majority of the world think of NZ, Australia, England and France before they think of SA in terms of Rugby but if you want to think otherwise then you go for it if it makes you feel any better. When people think of SA you can guarantee that it's not rugby that springs to mind, awwwww such a pity. Delusions for the masses LOL LOL

      Ian - 2011-07-16 12:58

      SA 2 world cups...... New Zealand 1 world cup..... so the world doesn't think of SA when it comes to rugby then... is that why SA are the team that the all blacks look forward to playing the most? I recon you shut your mouth sammy boy... you're making a prick of yourself.

      sam - 2011-07-16 16:36

      @sam kaitawa - wow you have alot of built-up aggression. its probablyu because your team hasnt won the world cup since 1987!! what a crappy record for the 'so-called' best team in the world. yeah keep on dreaming! SA has the BEST record at the World Cup of all the other teams, weve won 2 out of the 4 World cups we've competed in, which gives us a 50% success rate. How are the All Blacks doing?? 1 out of 6!!! Shame...... i do feel for ya. CHOKERS!!!!!!

      maycenz - 2011-07-16 16:53

      casabanderas - Erm NZ is not the only country to do hakas. All the pacific island nations have a form. If south africa wanted to do something they would be allowed. Get that chip off your shoulder fella. For the english though the closest they have is morris dancing. Not too scary though :)

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 17:02

      @Sam, awwww, are you upset, here's a simple question for you. Who's the Best rugby nation on earth, what's the win-loss ratio between SA & NZ, why does SA havethe worst tri-nations record (most wooden spoon award) and the world knows it. Cheer up bud, What's it feel like being beaten by Scotland and Ireland on several occassions, being an AB supporter I wouldn't know?. You must feel quite inferior by harping on about the WC especially when that's only a few weeks of the year. 'No# 3 in world ranking must suck, awwwwwww, what's your excuse Sam lol lol bwahhhhhhhh

      sam - 2011-07-16 17:18

      @ sam kaitawa - id rather have a good record at the World Cup, which by the way is the most important tournament in Rugby than have a good record in inferior competitions. By the way, NZ has also lost to the same teams so your argument sucks. 2 words for you 'Sad childhood'? Get a life mate!

      sam - 2011-07-16 17:20

      oh and also, you need to go back to school and learn how to count. i quote 'here's a simple question for you' and then you ask 3 questions! haha.....

      sam kaitawa - 2011-07-16 17:32

      @Sam, NZ has NEVER lost to Scotland or Ireland EVER. bwahhh lol, you crack me up, hey, imagine if the AB's were allowed to play our full strength team with Maori's AND with neutral refs in SA during and before apartheid, imagine how many more games we would have won. awwwwww, poor you lol lol dudummms Google it Sam, check out for your self.

      Francois - 2011-07-17 00:30

      Sam, the fact is that you need to win the WC to be World Champions, nobody cares if you win every game in between, except for your quarter semi and the final. And if NZ was to play SA from 1981 ( when SA was also blown out of a test match and series in NZ) to 1991, you would have had a surely bad record or can you with all your history not recall that the same team that won the 1987 WC for NZ was annihilated by SA in a rebel tour just before 1987 and that without SA playing internationals. Looks at the scorebord: 1995 - 15:12 2007 15:9. Who in all the names you have mentioned would have stopped a backline of Serfontein, Botha, Du Plessis, Du Plessis, Gerber, Mordt or Burger and Heunis - David Kirk?

      Linzam - 2011-07-18 07:46

      Francois are you serious? The Cavaliers that toured SA in '86 were mostly at the end of their careers and the team didn't include several key All Blacks. The team that won the WC in 87 was based around the Baby Blacks who were chosen when all the players that toured with the Cavaliers were banned. Only about 6 of the Cavaliers were in the 87 team that won the final. While winning the world cup is a great acheivement, it is simply a single tournament, albeit the most important one. However, the contention that all other tests are irrelevant is a bit ignorant. The world cup winners may not even be the best side in the tournament. Look at SA in 2007. They almost lost to Tonga and Fiji and then won the tournament by beating Argentina and England. They went on to lose most of their matches in the next couple of years, proving that they were an average team favoured by the draw and the way the rules were being interpreted at the time in favour of kicks and defence.

      TrueBlood - 2011-07-18 15:44

      u are just being plain stupid now!! How can you even compare the "Haka" with "toyi toyi" come on really, this is a proud tradition for the All Blacks, and I for one, as a Bok supporter love the "Haka", rugby against the All Blacks will just not be the same without it!! Get a life!!

      StaalBurgher - 2011-08-01 18:02

      @sam kaitawa, don't be a prat. 90% of South Africans like the Haka and would definitely NOT want one of our own. It is tradition for the Pacific Island nations to do it and most don't have a problem with it.

  • Gomez - 2011-07-16 10:55

    I think the ones who would be upset the most would be the English fans.Can you ever imagine the Sringboks playing one game in Black....The would rather wear pink...The disrespect is beeing done to the English traditional jersey and their fans...I want to see what it looks like though!

  • - 2011-07-16 11:58

    NZ just looking for excuse because they know they goinng to choke again. This time they will say we lost becuase England wore our black, just like the phantom waitress 'Suzie' in 1995, what next?

      rockster666 - 2011-07-16 15:15

      @rugbylover its the Boks gonna choke this year like they did last year hahahaha

  • Jason - 2011-07-16 13:09

    Let's be honest, that's a prett lame move by England. I'm with the Kiwis on this one. Where does black come into the English colours!? English colours are white and red, they should have a red change strip. If they had chosen green and gold as their change strip, I'd be seriously pissed off.

  • balderdash - 2011-07-16 13:33

    Why doesn't England adopt the Haka, while they're about it?

      clivegoss - 2011-07-16 14:17

      Adopt the HAKA ? Dancing a foxtrot is more likely !

  • johannwerner1860 - 2011-07-16 20:35

    who cares

  • cupid - 2011-07-16 21:09

    just another reason why NZ and Australia, should break away and become a republic. The sooner the better

  • First48 - 2011-07-17 14:07

    I was really worried about the Kiwi's not being precious over the coming world cup! That's just been resolved witht his article!

  • zane.blignaut - 2011-07-18 10:15

    Once again.... boys behaving like toddlers. there would not be a more fitting final than the Boks vs All Blacks. There is no other team I respect more than the AB's and I know the AB's feel the same way about the Boks. The Haka is fantastic as it is always a prelude to a fantastic rugby match. I also believe Richi is handling the situation very well (and Richi is not my fav captain... Bok Bias) but I think to take it so personal as an act against tradition, that England will wear black is going a bit far. I think the poms are just trying to rub the AB's up the wrong way, and they got it right... there is only one team that can beat the AB's and that team is the Boks... RWC is going to be fantastic this year!!!

  • MB1810 - 2011-07-18 10:19

    Oh Gosh it's just a jersey and it's just for one game. It's certainly not the first time 2 countries' team colours overlapse.

  • Philip - 2011-07-18 14:32

    The colour black is not owned by NZ even though they arrogantly think so, only their emblem and so stop wining and prepare to loose another world cup!!!!!!!!

      Gazza69 - 2011-07-19 08:58

      South Africa should adopt the black jersey.......the politicians are already crying for an "all black" team .................nuff said!

      cupid - 2011-07-19 15:55

      In rugby it is.

  • TrueBlood - 2011-07-18 15:49

    England suck!!

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