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Lynagh: Boks are too old

2011-09-09 10:10

Cape Town – In the build up to the much anticipated RWC, a host of prominent rugby personalities have aired their view on how they see the spectacle to unfold.

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Former Wallaby captain and flyhalf, Michael Lynagh believes that hosts, New Zealand are the favourites to lift the Webb Ellis Cup and that defending champions, the Springboks are too old to retain it.

“There is a view that a lot of the South African forwards may be a little aged.  A lot of them were involved in the last World Cup and it’s a fact no nation has ever won back-to-back World Cups and a lot of the time that’s the reason why. Players that won a World Cup hold on a little bit long and want to do another one. It’s difficult to argue against,” Lynagh said on Laureus’ website.

He attributed the Boks chances at the RWC to their poor performance in the Tri Nations and South African teams not doing as well in this season’s Super 15.

Lynagh, who is Australia’s leading points scorer in Test rugby, also said that he still thinks the All Blacks will be crowned champions, despite not living up to their billing in the last five editions of the tournament.

“I’ve said it for the last heavens knows how many World Cups, but New Zealand to win. They’ve been unfortunate in the last World Cups, they’re a good team and they’re at home. So it’s theirs to lose. You wouldn’t get very good odds on them, so my value money probably would be with Australia or South Africa, but it’s going to be very interesting how New Zealand deal with the pressure.”

Sport24

Comments
  • nzbro - 2011-09-09 10:14

    careful now Lynagh you're saying that on the wrong site.This lot are very very sensitive to anti bok sentiments.

      Zip23 - 2011-09-09 10:23

      add: Animal cruelty.

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-09 10:38

      Hoe's die weer in Mannenberg vandag?

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-09 10:59

      Buldosie, Lynagh het nie van die hele Bokspan gepraat nie. Hier is sy woorde (ek quote verbatim van die Laureus site af): "Players that won a World Cup hold on a little bit long and want to do another one. It’s difficult to argue against. Some of the the [South African] teams in Super 15 this year didn’t particularly perform like they would have wanted to, specifically the Bulls, who have been champions the last few years and who have provided the bulk of the pack to South African rugby."

      Maori - 2011-09-09 11:22

      Agree!

      Renny Meere - 2011-09-09 11:28

      We know. We've expressed to the coaching staff that the guys are too old but they just ignored us.

      Grey B - 2011-09-09 11:36

      @nzbro. You think Lynagh phoned News24 and asked them to print this? We have another idiot on our hands. I agree with Lynagh. The guys are too old, not driven anymore and too comfortable in their positions. I do however support the through and through and seriously hope they prove me wrong. GO BOKKE!!!

      Jou Ma - 2011-09-09 11:36

      @nzbro. Sheep shagging grandson of a criminal.

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-09 12:14

      Shistirrer, waar val jy uit? Hoekom is jou comment op my gemik?

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-09 12:41

      Omdat jou comment (ook gespel "kommint") op die Kaap gemik was. Ek het maar net die favourtjie ge-return. Die tweede rede is omdat Lynagh beaam het wat ek al vir twee jaar lank sê - baie van die Bulle se Bokke is lankal verby hulle "sell-by date", maar te selfsugtig om plek te maak vir beter, jonger spelers, spesifiek omdat hulle weer vir die WC beskikbaar wou wees. Moenie worry nie, dis nie net die Bulle nie, ek het dieselfde probleem met John Smit ook.

      Bulldozer - 2011-09-09 12:49

      My comment was gemik op nog n local wat almal probeer wysmaak hy is actually is Kiwi.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-09 13:12

      OK Bulldozer, touché. I hate them too, and it's the general feeling here in the Western Cape, fortunately they are a small minority. I nearly klapped one guy the other day, all decked out in AB kit, even driving a black VW Golf with the silver fern large on the front doors. Even his kiddies were dressed in AB kit. I mean, that's child abuse! In the old days you could get shot for treason if you supported another country above your own.

  • Joquim - 2011-09-09 10:19

    sheep shearer

  • humble hunk - 2011-09-09 10:20

    yes and im the 1st one nzbro , but i am a bit worried about the 'senior' look of the team , but im expecting it to be an aid and not a disadvantage as long as the boks play to THEIR strengths and game plan , no problem .

      odysseus - 2011-09-09 23:24

      its just great when we are written off.... really!

  • DW - 2011-09-09 10:24

    I dont know if the All Blacks will win, but I suspect he may be right about the Boks. It is fantastic to have such an experienced side, and I am behind them 100%, but it worries me that they are so much more prone to injuries. This is going to be a bruising tournament, and their age is definitely not going to be an advantage when it comes to injuries. I hope I am wrong, though.

  • Marx - 2011-09-09 10:24

    As far as I know the AB's are on average more "aged" than us, so your point being???

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-09 17:12

      point he should have rather made is that their "old players" are still in form (mccaw, mealamu, woodcock, brad thron, ali williams, weepu, carter, mills muliaina), and still the best in their position, we cant say the same?

  • Anneleen - 2011-09-09 10:25

    Bokke, do not stress..."golden oldies" with a lot still to give!!!!!

  • ockert.niekerk - 2011-09-09 10:25

    Isnt he a bit old to be commenting?

      Ross - 2011-09-09 11:34

      Ockert, that's a beaut! 'Isn't he a bit old to be commenting"

  • JDW - 2011-09-09 10:27

    To say NZ was Unlucky in the past is far from the truth, a more realistic statement would be NZ was not good enough in the past and were beaten by better sides, if they are so good why have they only won one world Cup. At the end of the day it does not matter who is the Tri Nations Champion or the Super rugby Champion but who is the World Champion.

  • zulufox - 2011-09-09 10:29

    enough with the talk now... the first match has kicked off, let the points do the talking...

  • Jason - 2011-09-09 10:31

    Lynagh - who cares what you think!! Our Boks will do us proud .. So in your face tw@t!!

  • marco - 2011-09-09 10:42

    What's the deal with some of these rugby pundits and their take on the Springboks? This what Scott Gibbs,a Welsh dual-code rugby player turned commentator said this week on BBC Wales Sports:"The Springboks are a side in decline...I think it's a great opportunity for Wales to upset the apple cart in the opening weekend...There's more rhythm and momentum in the Welsh camp, and certainly a lot more harmony(NOTE THE WORD THE CLOWN USES "HARMONY" AS IF TO SAY THE BOKS ARE CHAOTIC OR DIVIDED)...I think South Africa as a rugby side have been regressing for the last 18 months and they're certainly not improving as a team...I think there's a little bit of discord in the camp...I just don't buy into that confidence and when you look at the body-language of the players during the Tri-Nations and certainly last year's winter internationals, they don't look like a world championship side....If South Africa lose on Sunday I think there'll be a lot of finger-pointing and that may be the start of the end of the World Cup for them...Their recent win against New Zealand was much-maligned,the New Zealanders broke their line 15 times and probably squandered four or five chances where normally they would have taken them...South Africa haven't got a game at the moment,they can't create,the backline is very anaemic,they're so reliant on their front five to get them go-forward ball that I just don't see anything in their toolbox that can challenge Wales. So many idiots bashing the Boks hey!!!!

      Theo - 2011-09-09 11:58

      Marco, your right there must be discord in the camp if you are the NO 1Hooker for RSA and your only role is to come on as impact player in the last 15mins , and the person playing as the number 1 hooker is pathetic because he is not mobile , then you will have other players in the camp getting seriously cheesed off.

  • Phelpsfan - 2011-09-09 10:43

    Couldn't agree more - way too old. Proof will be in pudding.....and a few boks have had too many of those...

  • George - 2011-09-09 10:44

    all Blacks average age: 29!!! Average Bok age: 28!!! Catch a wake up Lynagh!!

      andrew pottow - 2011-09-09 13:01

      They're just jealous of and feel threatened by the Boks, we are the most successful side in the history of world cup rugby(2 wins from 4 attempts).

      SA11 - 2011-09-10 10:31

      Our Team are not too old...However, they are the most experience Team in the world!!!!! Gooooooooo Bokke!!

  • ikey_tiger - 2011-09-09 10:51

    was England too old in 2003?

      Wallaby - 2011-09-09 11:09

      The difference between Engalnd in 2003 and your team is that the Poms had clear forward momentum going into the Tournament. Something your team clearly lacks. You had your chance to build that in the Tri-Nations but opted for a 'scheme' that will now backfire heavily. What's the old saying? 'Save on the shortcuts but pay on the rebound'.

      marco - 2011-09-09 11:58

      @Wallaby England's forwards in 2003 RWC were called "Dads Army" by who else but the quagmire Wallaby Press with five 30-somethings starting including prop Jason Leonard and hooker Dorian West.Guess that kinda put things in perspective doesn't Wallaby after you was embarrass by Dad's Army on your home soil in the final.The English pack that played in the final average age was 29 years 3 months compared to Australia's of 26 years. Always good to bear in mind that Linford Christie won his 100meter goldmedal at 36 years of age!! Age don't matter does it?What you need most is Calm before the storm hits.Give the NEANDERTHAL Springboks some credit mate they might just spring a few suprises here that'll shock the rugby world to its system.

      Tools1 - 2011-09-09 13:19

      If you are good enough you are old enough, this age thing makes me sick. We have enough young tallent in the country but the way things work is they( the young guys ) need to play the old one out of their possitions and in our coaches view they didnt, so put it to rest you @%*$!!! Maori-Khoisan-walaby-wanabe's

  • Dr. No - 2011-09-09 10:59

    It's fine, let them all underestimate us. let them not give too much thought to us, we are after all underdogs. If there is one nation I would never bet against in a crunch game it is the Bokke, these jokers are going to find that out the hard way. Grab your popcorn and enjoy the spectacle.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-09-09 12:42

      well said!!!!

  • Wallaby - 2011-09-09 11:01

    Mate, you're so right! One of their 'star' forwards is already injured without playing a one second of rugby at the tournament. I'm just disappointed that Rocky won't be able to 'roll' him again like he did in Durbs recently. Fair dinkum!

      GraemeBB - 2011-09-09 11:54

      Oh Wally, you guys are like broken records. The Aussies are taking every opportunity to slam the Boks. I wonder why we seem to be so important? If I recall correctly, the Boks lost by 5 in our last encounter, which the Boks were in control practically the whole game. Hardly a reason for sheep shagging arrogance - mate. I would love to meet the Aussies at some stage - it will be a walk in the park. The only team that I feel have the goods to beat us is the AB's, and on the day, the Boks could swing it. But write us off. I love to see arrogant Aussies fall - lots of fun.

      Wallaby - 2011-09-09 12:05

      BB: you only 'thought' you were in 'control' in Durbs. Before reality came crashing through the wall (didn't bother to knock at the door). A week later you scraped a win together via Steyn to beat a "B" AB team (without him and teh score reads 0-5). If Graham Henry had a week longer to coach them you would have lost that one too. I hope for your sake you guys get out of the Group stages. With a growing injury list, I have my doubts, however. And of course, this time, the injuries are all too real. Unlike 6 weeks ago. Such is life.

      GraemeBB - 2011-09-09 13:42

      @Wallaby - you doubt we will make it through the group stages - HAHAHAHA - you are a moron. As I have said, a win with 5 points, and you are acting like you are the RWC champs already. As I have stated - you boys cant leave the Boks alone. You have had nothing to say about any other team except the Boks - fact. I smell fear. I really hope we meet you Aussies, I know we will beat you blokes. It is the bloody AB's I am worried about.

      Tools1 - 2011-09-09 14:49

      We should get Bakkies to pull his foreskin over this guys head and Fu@# some sence into him.

  • neserp - 2011-09-09 11:03

    Lynagh, you are too old!! Old Fart!! Why dont you let the World Cup start, and we see how far our 'old' boks get.....and then you reconsider you opinion and career as a sport presenter!! CHOP!!!

  • LaVie - 2011-09-09 11:03

    Go Bokke !!!!

  • Wallaby - 2011-09-09 11:05

    I think the biggest mistake teams like the AB's and Walabies can make at this Tournament is to overestimate the Green machine's capabilities.

      Dr. No - 2011-09-09 11:18

      Quite right Wallaby, the Bokke should be underestimated.

  • BadBoy79 - 2011-09-09 11:06

    May those BOKKE make you eat your words!!

  • Ozymandios - 2011-09-09 11:11

    Turkey how was England in 2003 whgen they beat you lot?????? A lot older than our Bok side. Played league in your country for 2.5 years and never thought too much of your guys intelect then and after this statement of yours, I siill hold the same opinion. Better in your case to remain an icon to your people over there, than be stupid by opening your mouth like you have just done and remove all doubt about it.

  • Dr. No - 2011-09-09 11:14

    “I’ve said it for the last heavens knows how many World Cups, but New Zealand to win" so in other words you have been "wrong" for heavens knows how many years! I will be sure to listen to your advice when I make my picks, by going the other way!! Plonker

  • Devon - 2011-09-09 11:22

    Does this f^ck Knuckle really not know that the Boks are younger than the AB's??? Dumb Sh!t!!!

  • Steven F - 2011-09-09 11:23

    Yeah, retire them "senior" players to a pension.

  • wawawa - 2011-09-09 11:27

    All blacks have an older squad than Springboks! and nothing to defend

  • chopie - 2011-09-09 11:33

    and England won the world cup in 2003 with players from a old age home ...never rated Lynagh as a rugby player in any way so who cares...

  • Thomas.A.Hope - 2011-09-09 12:02

    Makes me think back to 1995 where an "older" Aussie side was eliminated early in the competition. Wasn't Lynagh part of that setup?

  • Hoesyt - 2011-09-09 12:21

    Aussie bastard is still sore over having a nice little Jewish boy hand it to him at the opening game of RWC 1995.

  • Barry Edwards - 2011-09-09 12:54

    And Michael was still playing for Australia well into his thirties. Huh ?

  • Inkwe - 2011-09-09 14:03

    So Lynagh, please enlighten us as to the average age of the England team in 2003 who beat your team in the final?

  • Babs Visser - 2011-09-09 14:08

    I dont know why the Boks are on the receiving end of all this negative comments , I hope and pray that they proof all these people passing the comments (like over the hill and long in the tooth) wrong for once and for all! Go Bokke, make us proud and forget about the damn insults (like over the hill) just show them where you come from we are able to turn the cheek and forgive and forget. I cannot recall that comments like these were passed when we hosted the soccer in South Africa. All South Africans were cheering for other countries when Bafana was eliminated.. what is wrong with these people, where is the spirit and the goodwill??? The Bokke has not even played their first game and they have to suffer insults from all and sundry, it is enough to make me sick!!

      Theo - 2011-09-10 09:54

      Babs I support the Boks 100% but that doesn't mean I have to support the team selection. Smit has not played well this year, he is to slow, to cumbersome, and therefore ineffective in defense. By him playing as our No 1 Hooker he is not allowing a better player that being Bismarck to take up his rightful position as the No 1 Hooker.

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-09 14:11

    ¤*¨¨*¤.¸¸ ...¸.¤\ \¸.. B O K K E ! ,.,\ .\¸.¤*¨¨*¤ .¸¸.¸.¤* ..\ ?/ /¦ / \ Rugby World Cup 2011 !!! Keep the flag going..**

  • Kevin - 2011-09-09 14:13

    Lynagh is just trying to wind us up . Typical Aussie. he was useless then and is not capable of deducing anything. BOKS TO WIN.

  • -Zeus- - 2011-09-09 16:44

    bored......bored.....bored...... Only one place the Boks and their fans need to say anything. On the pitch.

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