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Kiwi v Oz rivalry hots up

2011-10-12 12:24

Auckland - Sporting rivalries don't come more prickly than the one between trans-Tasman neighbours Australia and New Zealand.

Whether it's rugby union, rugby league, football, cricket, horseracing or netball, the one-upmanship can dominate the national conversation and sideline other issues of the day.

It's on again in Sunday's Rugby World Cup semi-final between the feisty rivals.

New Zealand, with a population of 4.4 million, has been tagged a small country with a huge inferiority complex, while Australia, a larger nation of 22.7 million, is seen as cocky and brash.

Australia is an over-achiever on the world sporting stage: among the top six nations in medals at the last three Olympic Summer Games, producing champions in rugby, swimming, athletics, tennis, golf, motorcycling, field hockey and cricket in recent times.

'Little brother' New Zealand has also aspired to have its place under the sporting sun and celebrates its achievements as a source of national pride.

New Zealanders jealously guard their own and often accuse Australia of trying to take the credit for Phar Lap, the champion racehorse of the Great Depression era, Oscar-winning actor Russell Crowe, international rock band Crowded House, even the meringue-like pavlova dessert.

The sporting rivalry can spill over with some nasty consequences, none more so than the infamous underarm bowling incident of 1981.

Australia captain Greg Chappell instructed his brother, Trevor, to roll the last delivery of the match along the ground to prevent New Zealand from hitting a six which they needed to tie a one-day cricket international in Melbourne.

New Zealand's then Prime Minister, Robert Muldoon, said at the time the Chappell brothers were responsible for "the most disgusting incident I can recall in the history of cricket".

He added: "It was an act of true cowardice and I consider it appropriate that the Australian team were wearing yellow."

More recently, the Aussies cheekily even claimed a part of New Zealand's unbeaten yet fruitless run at last year's football World Cup with a newspaper headline: "Australasia 1 Slovakia 1" as the Socceroos crashed to Germany 4-0.

Yet the light-hearted sentiment was lost on this side of the Tasman, with one paper replying: "Dirty Aussies lay claim to NZ's World Cup glory."

The Kiwis took special delight when they upset the Socceroos 2-0 in Sydney to grab their place at the 1982 World Cup finals in Spain and plunge Australia into despair.

Nowhere though is the rivalry more pronounced than on the rugby field, with the top-two ranked nations, New Zealand's All Blacks and Australia's Wallabies, facing each other at Eden Park on Sunday for a place in the World Cup final.

Since 1903, the All Blacks have had the upper hand over the Wallabies.

This weekend will be their 168th international meeting, with the All Blacks winning 115 times, the Wallabies 47 and five matches drawn.

But the Wallabies, who have not won at Eden Park for 25 years, have had some significant victories along the way.

John Eales kicked an extra time penalty goal to claim a 24-23 victory and the Bledisloe Cup in Wellington in 2000 and scrum-half George Gregan brought off a famous try-saving tackle on All Blacks wing Jeff Wilson to win the 1994 Cup in Sydney.

Only a month before this World Cup, the Wallabies downed the All Blacks 25-20 in Brisbane to claim their first Tri-Nations crown in a decade.

And as the Wallabies keep reminding the Kiwis they have won both their two World Cup games against the All Blacks, in the 1991 and 2003 semi-finals.

"Whilst the All Blacks have dominated Australia in the last couple of years on the scoreboard as far as statistics go, there's no doubt the team will know you've never beaten us in a World Cup, you've lost in two-semi finals to us," Australia's former World Cup-winning skipper Nick Farr-Jones crowed.

Meanwhile an extra, and intriguing, sub-plot this weekend will be the tactical jousting between All Blacks coach Graham Henry and the Wallabies' Kiwi boss Robbie Deans.

AFP

Comments
  • Eissom - 2011-10-12 12:40

    Who writes this rubbish

      Henk - 2011-10-12 14:26

      This thing was cooked from the start. BL made shure SA and Aus face each other by letting Ireland win. They would then decide wich is weaker team and let them win. Aus. NZ would get the Argies for a QF, This whole thing was worked out long ago. sinse 2009 Tri nations. Pdivvy complained and they quickly called him in and shut him up. RWC is a big Farce!

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 14:29

      Henk, your theory is also a big farce.

      Henk - 2011-10-12 14:37

      Whats your theory Johnny? That Brycie is a real hard working and honest Citizen of New Zeeland? Just like Richie McCaw?

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 14:43

      Henk, you say that Bryce Lawrence made sure that Ireland beat Australia. When us Aussie supporters complained about Bryce after that game, we were tagged as sore losers by you Bok supporters. Now all of a sudden he cheated Aus. What changed?

      Henk - 2011-10-12 14:49

      I never said you were sore losers. I feel sorry for you because you are also a pawn in this whole game. I hope you kick their arses so this whole thing back fires!

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 14:54

      Ok guys( Henk in particular), I didnt think you could go so low, you are now alleging a conspiracy? Sounds like Malema... "They are racist". Come on mate, you can do better than that.

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 14:55

      I never said you said, it was Bok supporters in general. After all the emotion has subsided, all you guys must go watch the game again and see if it was really as bad as you make it out to be. You don't have to share your conclusion with anybody, but you will realize that it's not half as bad as you make it out to be. Thanks for your support.

      Henk - 2011-10-12 15:05

      Listen John, you are a good team. Can be the best on your day.

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 15:30

      @ Henk, I never said it was impossible, sheep comment is out of line. Anyway, all I was saying is your conspiracy theory is not good. Q, What if Pat Lambie had been successful with his drop goal, would we be reading about this conspiracy theory that you have come up with? I dont think so. I am not saying BL was spot on with his calls(no comment). I have lived in the world of conspiracies and they got me no where. I have also played rugby and know that sometimes you lose games even though you outplayed the opposition, actually, all sport and life in general is like that.

      Henk - 2011-10-12 15:51

      Thanks Maximus, I dont mean YOU are a sheep. I dont believe everything is a conspiracy. This just smells very fishy. But so what after all, there are more important things to be concerned about!

      Alan - 2011-10-12 15:52

      @John Douglas. Nope - a lot of SA reports were very critical of Bryce after the Ireland game. Our beef (by most Bok supporters) is the standard of some refs with important games, and that is directed more at the IRB. B.T.W. a lot of us are fully behind Aus or Wales winning. I for one (Big Bok Supporter) felt that Aus are the most likely team to win (if they are on song). Why? - they have the game to take the AB's apart, and they do not fear the AB's. Aus will also have plenty of support, and I think that will negate Home advantage for the AB's. And most of all - Pocock is a genius, and Mc Cheat is my fovourite character to love to hate. Good luck Aussies! You have my vote!

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 16:19

      Thanks, for your support Alan, but you are a minority.

      Alan - 2011-10-12 16:24

      @Jihn Douglas. No - I really do not think that my views are a minority - there just happen to be a lot of twats that comment on these sites. Sure, Aus are rivals, but we respect them because they are a good team. Our anger at being dumped is not at Aus. - they did darned well to win the game. I am also not p*ssed at the Boks - they played brilliantly. Bad calls and luck are always part of the game, but in honesty - Bryce was well below par.

      marco - 2011-10-12 17:23

      My opinion would be no different if either Australia or New Zealand were eliminated by such incompetent refereeing as what Bryce Lawrence did.The fact that Lawrence "over refereed" the Australian pool game against Ireland,should not result in him turning a blind eye to ruck infringements in the spirit of letting the game flow.The game this weekend will turn out to be the battle between McCaw and Pocock and how it will be refereed on the day.It has become too obvious that McCaw has lost his ability to challenge for a ball in the ruck within the rules of the game.Australia has now had two really bad games in three weeks,but they also came into the tournament with a victory against the All Blacks.We all know they can beat Kiwis,but the real question is if Quade Cooper can overcome the pressure in the big game.The All Blacks have been the team that have managed to neutralise him the best so far and the Wallaby management would do well in considering starting Berrick Barnes instead of Cooper.You can't allow your team to stand and fall on the form of one player.Favorites still are the Kiwis to make it through to the final,even though they have the same question mark about the temperament of their young fly-half,Aaron Cruden.However the rest of the All Blacks backline do look very comfortable with him and if there is one team that can look after their young players,then it's the All Blacks.

      jontheb - 2011-10-12 21:12

      like it and make a difference for the future (it's not whinging - he's universally despised) www.facebook.com/pages/Petition-To-Stop-Bryce-Lawrence-Ever-Reffing-A-Rugby-Game-Again/286992594653732

  • Rob - 2011-10-12 12:47

    NZ better beat Aussie and send those whinging, arrogant and bad losing Aussies back across the Tasman. Never humble in victory, nor gracious in defeat. Sums up Australians perfectly.

      Andy49 - 2011-10-12 14:00

      Rob - you have this totally wrong, it's you SAFFAS that are arrogant, whinging sore losers hence your comment, get over it already. 11/9 final score YOU lost not the Aussies.

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 14:32

      You Bok supporters are a fickle bunch. For 4 years you talk about NZ choking and Richie being the biggest cheat on the planet. Now all your hopes are pinned on them.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 14:58

      sorry not me mate, hope the brats lose.

      Alan - 2011-10-12 16:06

      @John Douglas. Nah mate - I have to disagree. A lot of us Bok Supporters have our hopes on Aus. and Wales. Anybody but Mc Cheat walking off with the trophy in my opinion.... and thats only because of Mc Cheat. I respect, but dont like the AB's because of Mc Cheat. Aus. on the other hand I both respect and like. I said before the WC, I think Aus. has the team that can win it - they have the game to beat the AB's, and they also have plenty of support in NZ. ( I had the priviledge of meeting and spending some time with the Western Force in a hotel in JHB during the S14, and they sure made me like the Aussies! A humble, friendly and knowledgable bunch of great guys!). So Aus. gets my vote anyday over the ABs. Viva Aus.Viva

      Mafaka - 2011-10-12 16:37

      John, please don't generalize in your comments by taking what a few Bok supporters said as to mean what ALL Bok supporters think. Personaly I hate NZ. I mean I REALLY HATE them (in nice and friendly rugby terms naturally). So just so that you know... the Wallabies has got the support of this Bok supporter. And btw, we are not pissed of with Aus for losing against them (personally I think they did a damn good job in withholding the Springbok offensive for almost all of the game)... we have just simply elevated Bryce Lawrence to public enemy nr 1!

      Christy - 2011-10-12 17:12

      I HOPE AUSTRALIA LOSE. THEY DONT DESERVE TO BE IN THE SEMI FINAL.

      OutbackJack - 2011-10-13 00:28

      Robbie, mate we're not arrogant - we're just better than you that's all.

  • Matt :-) - 2011-10-12 12:54

    It's New Zealand v Australia. Farmers, lock up your sheep ;-)

      Jim - 2011-10-12 13:58

      And South Africans lock up your maids.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 14:11

      Dear Jim, our maids don't have a problem with us locals. It is the foreigners that love them so much!

      Durbanpoison - 2011-10-12 14:15

      Jim you are such an idiot... please leave this site and make your comments on the Sydney Morning Herald or something... Anyway i am still highly P** off that we are not playing in the semi's.... thanks Bryce it will he hard to forget your face...

      Jim - 2011-10-12 14:15

      Dear Brett,not what i have heard.

      Felix - 2011-10-12 14:41

      Did your German buddy tell you he could hook you up Jim?

      Brett - 2011-10-12 15:54

      @Andy49..............You can trash my countries Afrikaners all you like. As a Jew, I can tell you that my country would never have been what it is today without the Afrikaners, political mistakes and all. At least their forebears weren't all the jailbirds from England. Imagine what that did for OZ and NZ's gene pool?

      Mr Mister - 2011-10-12 16:44

      You're really sadly misguided. If you study Sanzar results over the past decade or so.you'll see that both the Aussies and Kiwis much prefer shagging the Boks. In fact they've become quite experts at it after all the Aussies have done it thrice in a row this year.

      OutbackJack - 2011-10-13 00:35

      Saffas lose. Lock up your goats. Matty mate you are really giving your fellow countrymen a bad name with your unimaginative stupid chirp. You must some a pimple-faced teenager that seriously looking for some attention. Seriously get a life you tool.

  • Dal68 - 2011-10-12 12:57

    Go Wales!!! Knock these arrogant wannabe and AB supporters of their high horses!!!

      Andy49 - 2011-10-12 14:03

      @dal68 I would have loved a Wales/Boks final so that Wales get their deserved justice.

  • Steven Preston - 2011-10-12 13:01

    Wales!

      Brett - 2011-10-12 13:31

      Yes Yes Yes....Wales all the Way!!!

      colin.dovey - 2011-10-12 13:52

      Although I TOTALLY support SA, my ancestral line emanates from Wales, so on this ONE occasion I will support them, but only because I want the AB (if they reach the final) to go off bleating and bleeding from a massive score. B+gger the OZ team anyway - bunch of arrogant cheating bleating busterds.

      Lance - 2011-10-12 14:25

      Wales have worked hard and are in my opinion the most improved side of late...Go Wales !!! (From a green blooded Welsh supporter !)

  • Alan - 2011-10-12 13:08

    One thing is for sure - the Aussies hold no fear for the Kiwi's. The Kiwi's on the other hand have the recent Tri Nations fresh in their minds, plus key injuries. Home ground advantage aint gonna help the Kiwi's either - they will have more "anti Kiwi " spectators in the stadium than then normally do. And last but not least - when the Aussies are firing - they are a better team. Go Aussies and Wales!

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 13:20

      Talk about a biased view... If I can summarise your comment or ask a few questions... Are you saying nothing is working in favour of the Kiwis? Not home ground advantage, not a superior ranking, the fact that they are still to show any real weaknesses thus far, the fact that they are more consistent, more experienced, have not lost to Aussie at this venue in 25yrs... nothing?

      AjAxxxx - 2011-10-12 13:40

      No, he actually did not say any of those things. Where did he say that NOTHING is in favour of NZ? All those things, except prob the homeground thing, are true. SA dominated the aussies, because they restricted their gameplan. NZ plays differently, almost into the hands of the Aussies = open expansive game. And in the open expansive game, i think Aus has the edge, due to the tri-nations we saw. Their backline is quicker and more skillfull, not necessarily stronger. The allblacks are out of ideas without carter.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 14:09

      fully agree Alan, now we will see if the Brats can handle the pressure, up till now they gave had it ridiculously easy (almost as if it was planned), lets see if they are as good as they believe they are. If they beat the Wobblies & lose to Wales, it will be the best possible outcome, after the Boks beating them in the final. I hope to hell that we see Wales knock those arrogant twats down to size. @ Maximus...for the Brats, home ground is not an advantage its a choking stimulus, the Wobblies basically are at home without the pressure, so I think you r wrong mate.

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 14:50

      ABs have never choked at home, if anything, people never say that the ABs only win the RWC in their own backyard. Plus the point of spectators is very subjective, remember, things have gone according to plan for the ABs, if anything, a lot of BOK fans have now sold their tickets to the locals and returned home(which is Australia by the way). I still think Alan's viewpoint is very biased, he obviously has his money on the Aussies

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 15:05

      @ maximus, never say never, the Brats are without DC, not the same team, besides the choker tag has only got larger, they know that this can go down to the wire & probably will. COME WALES WIN THIS THING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Alan - 2011-10-12 16:11

      @MAXIMUS - for sure I am biased! I think that the Aussies have a better team, and they have the game and temperament to klap the AB's. I admittedly hate the AB's, and that is because of Mc Cheat whom I despise. I do however grudgingly admit that the rest of the AB's are great players, but that doesnt mean I have to support them. I also happen to think that Wales can win this. They are a very hard working, and disciplined side. Nothing wrong with you having a different point of view to me though.

  • MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 13:14

    The stuff of Legends I tell you, wish I was there to witness this epic battle... the history just makes it a million times more interesting.

  • Brandon - 2011-10-12 13:17

    I want our ref to influance the game as much as Bryce did still in favour of the Wannebies then I want to hear what the AB's have to say. They will most likely not even turnup for the finals at their stadiums. The on a 1 on 1 the Wannebies would lose agains any of the other reams - GO NORTHERN HEMISPHERE

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 14:34

      Loser!!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!

      raven7 - 2011-10-12 21:20

      Its also the refs fault fourie knocked the ball on over the tryline.... cheer up mate

      kiwi - 2011-10-13 05:45

      brandon.......you sad chump

  • patch - 2011-10-12 13:19

    Those were, without a doubt, the most ridiculous anecdotes I have ever read! Goodness me.

      MAXIMUS - 2011-10-12 13:23

      Did u read all the way to the end?

      Brett - 2011-10-12 13:27

      LOL LOL Maximus!!!

      patch - 2011-10-12 14:14

      @MAXIMUS Yes, I did, in spite of there being no pictures... My point was that the random sporting anecdotes selected did little to support the headline of "hotting up". They (the stories) were in no way linked, and had no influence on each other. It was simply a ctrl-c, ctrl-v of wikipedia's "NZ vs AUS sporting history". But that's enough. I replied now because initially I thought there was more to your (and your lady henchman Brett) comment than simply being a bit of a chop. I'm happy to admit it when I am wrong...

  • Brett - 2011-10-12 13:19

    However crazy this might sound today............I am rooting for Australia.........because now that NZ's useless ref has caused our demise, we should all hope the Wallabies go through because The Welsh will trash them ............GO WALES!!!!!

      QuestionMore - 2011-10-12 13:39

      Still blaming the ref? Catch a wake up and accept the fact the Bokke were not up to the task vs Australia seeing they struggled against Wales and Samoa.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 13:44

      Yes still blaming the ref....all the way. If you want to blow a whistle at this level, you better know your rules.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 13:55

      there is more to it than the last game, the last game is just one example of what the Boks have had to endure for years now, NZ has systematically got the IRB to do things in their favor, & both NZ & Aus have systematically undermined the Boks chances of wining against them, particularly the NZRU, with Paddy No Brian looking after his new countrymen that gave the ex-policeman a visa to live in sheep land, to me the Wobblies should go through, they are cheaters, but at least they do it in the open, & not hide behind the IRB like the Brats.

      Lance - 2011-10-12 14:29

      @ Brett.....Absolutely ! Go Wales.... ~!

      marco - 2011-10-12 17:28

      @QuestionMore The Boks lost when Bryce Lawrence was appointed to referee the game,because without players with X-factor (Francois Steyn and Heinrich Brussow's injury),the Springboks were just not better than the sixteen men that lined-up against them at the cake tin in Wellington.At this level where the difference between two teams is measured in inches,this issue can't just be wiped under the carpet.Lawrence's performance was nothing short of abysmal.He did not award the Bok try because of a dubious forward pass and minutes later when the Boks once again breached the Aussie defences and were well on their way to scoring another try,he called them back again for a forward pass.Shortly after that he failed to penalise Daniel Vickerman (off his feet) for ripping the ball out of a ruck three meters from the Aussie line with the Boks on the attack.Three try scoring opportunities are rare in Test matches and the lack of consistency in refereeing styles continues to blight Test rugby and do determine the outcome of matches.This is not "SUURGATE".This is a fundamental problem in all professional rugby and it all started when players were not allowed to ruck players on the wrong side of a ruck or those with their hands in the rucks.The boot policed the ruck in the past and no one got seriously hurt in the process. What is done is done,but the question remains is it appropriate for Paddy O'Brien,an inept New Zealander,to be "the official" who rates and appoints any referees?

      marco - 2011-10-12 17:29

      Can anyone trust Paddy O'Brien to appoint a referee that has the guts to referee say Richie McCaw in a final,like Wayne Barnes did in the Tri-Nations game prior to the RWC? He definitely got it wrong with the appointment of Lawrence,who was under massive pressure to correct the "wrongs" he publicly admitted too after the Wallabies' game against Ireland.To be honest,the biggest difference between Saturday and Sunday's Quarter-final games were the referees.Craig Joubert assisted the Ireland versus Wales game in being a truly magnificent game with no contentious issues and mistakes.Advantage was given to the team that showed the most enterprise and played within the rules.Not so with Bryce Lawrence!

      marco - 2011-10-12 17:30

      The same thing played out in the Argentinean game against the All Blacks.When the Pumas had possession,the All Blacks were allowed to lie on their elbows,three at a time,slowing the ball and the Argentineans were penalised for not releasing.The Kiwis never released the ball in the tackle which meant the South Americans were never allowed to place the ball,which is the most emphasised directive for referees.When New Zealand had possession,all you could hear at every ruck from the referee was "tackler release".Has there ever been a time with such blatant bias in a game like this? There is only one way to explain all this:the referees want to show their boss,Mr Paddy O'Brien,that they will look after Richie McCaw and the All Blacks to get their hands on the William Webb Ellis trophy.It has become too obvious that McCaw has lost his ability to challenge for a ball in the ruck within the rules of the game.It is a very sad state of affairs in RUGBY and the stuff conspiracy theories are made of,but unfortunately there is no other clear cut explanation for this prejudice.

      typojoe - 2011-10-12 19:16

      @brett I believe there is a rumour that there could be a last minute change and the game will be reffed by Lawrence. Would'nt that be a boost for his carreer as ref and open new possibilities as to his future country of residence.

  • Kevin - 2011-10-12 13:27

    Just pay the ref to blow the way you want it to be . That's what happened last weekend and now the World Cup is just a farce

  • RaggedTooth - 2011-10-12 13:33

    I hate to say it, but I think the ozzies will take the kiwis. Ozzies had such a poor showing against the Bokke, I think the kiwis would have bought into the "lucky win" idea and end up underestimating the Ozzies. The ozzies will realise they were lucky to get to the semi's and actually play a full 80 mins. of rugby. The biggest factor for both Oz and NZ is their fh's, but I think Cooper will handle the pressure better than Cruden. Both play the same type of game, lots of flare - something that is not ideal for finals rugby, but Cooper is settled as apposed to Cruden that is being thrown to the wolves. Either way, I feel both these teams were there for the taking, Springboks had them on a silver platter......soooooo sad.

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-12 13:46

    Wales, is the only real team left, the french are a bunch of emotional underachievers, the Aussies are cheats, & the Brats are even bigger cheaters that manipulate the rules & use refs bias to their advantage, they do it so well that they have 1/2 the world believing that they are the best team in the world. NZ will play their 1st serious game this entire WC this weekend, but the ultimate choke for the mighty Brats will be losing to Wales in the Final, this will make up for sheepshagger Lawrence screwing the Boks. GO WALES, show these clowns how a real team plays rugby !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Brett - 2011-10-12 13:51

      We will be wearing Red! Go Wales!

      Justin Herlihy - 2011-10-13 03:40

      twat

      Karlos - 2011-10-13 08:00

      Bitter and twisted much?

  • Staalbal - 2011-10-12 14:35

    This site is being overrun by Aussies, what is going on? The Aussie sites to stale?

  • Matric - 2011-10-12 14:35

    Everybody is talking about the Kiwis and Ausies. What out for The Whales!!!!

      Alan - 2011-10-12 16:17

      Er - maybe you want to concentrate on passing Matric.....

  • Surfs Up - 2011-10-12 14:36

    All Blacks ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Kris - 2011-10-12 15:04

    I would also like to know why this site is being overrun with aussies and kiwi supporters? Are your own websites too boring? Why come on our websites and trash us? We don't come onto your websites and trash you, well, I don't anyway.

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 15:09

      Probably because most of us Aussie supporters are actually SAFFA's and we live here.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 15:17

      I don't see them on any of the Aus & NZ websites, seems that most of them are sour expats that live on N24 that thrive on rubbishing the Boks/SA, its either to improve their low self esteem or to justify their move & consequent 6 fold drop in living standards, maybe both. & then there is the especially sad case where they are South African but support another countries national team.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 15:23

      Please shoot me the day I betray my country of birth in this manner. Imagine ex-South Africans supporting the Wallabies and Kiwis when opposing the Boks????? But then not all of us ran for cover when the going got rough, did we?

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 16:22

      Brett, it's not about betraying your country. It's about taking a stand against reverse AA. A coach being selected because of the colour of his skin. There is NO way I can support that.

      Kris - 2011-10-12 17:42

      Thanks to news24 for deleting my post, I have no idea why it was deleted, it was a reply to my own post and it basically said how proud i am to be south african, so now news24 moderators are deleting peoples posts saying they're proud to be south african. Hmmm... In any case, to reply to you John, I don't see how you're making a stand against AA, etc when you've emigrated and support another team. No one noticed your stand and certainly the ANC don't care. I prefer to stick to my beloved South Africa and support our extremely awesome teams. Yes we have problems, but I prefer to stay here and try help sort them out, in the interest of unity than run away from our problems. But I understand and respect your point of view too, I'm just stating my opinion.

      John Douglas - 2011-10-12 18:23

      Kris, I didn't immigrate, am still here. For me it's just a matter of principal.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 19:00

      @John Douglas............you should hang your head in shame for saying a thing like that. Rugby or any other sport for that matter in South Africa isn't an exclusive "white" affair. I would far rather live with Piet Snorre and have the team I saw play on Sunday, than some soccer mess, like we have. I take my hat off for Piet Snorre having endured all the rubbish he had to endure from us whites over the last 4 years. Considering his limited experience, I think he did remarkably well. He will take this experience and who knows, he might ignite some other players of colour to be our national heroes one day.

      Kris - 2011-10-12 19:58

      Fair enough John, I apologize for assuming, but I do agree with Brett in that I was pretty unhappy in the beginning with Pdivs appointment, however he has done pretty well at the end of the day with a 63% win record. Jake White was my hero as a coach and I have his book which I've read multiple times, and at the end of his book he states his win record was 66%, so technically Pdivvy has done pretty well being just 3% lower, and yes he had the spine of Jakes players, but hey. I do agree however we need a new coach now and new blood. The old guards time is over as the new blood Hougard, Bismarck, and co have shown when they come onto the field. Ooh but I've gotten off topic - I'm proudly South African and still hope one day we come right, but I know other countries have big problems as well. The "West" has massive problems, some as big as ours. So i'm sticking with our teams, and country in an attempt to help resolve our differences one day. And hopefully our discourse here today has discouraged the condescending and horrifically trashing remarks people from NZ and AUS spew on our blogs.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 21:07

      That is the spirit Kris. If we for once forget the past of our fathers, we will unite in a mighty sporting nation. We have millions of kids that need men that are willing to take them raw and polish them into the Victors and Bismarcks of tomorrow.

      Kris - 2011-10-12 21:57

      Well said Brett, and thank you for your comments, as an educator I aim to be a part that by polishing my rugby team I coach to one day better themselves and become our hero's of tomorrow.

      Karlos - 2011-10-13 08:04

      No - these sites use a real time update feature so you can actually see your comments posted. The Au sites are moderated comments and most of the time what you type never goes up. Plus its the SA and UK sites that are doing the most bitching and whining about a BRILLIANT and GUTSY 11-9 victory. :-)

  • Bokvirsport - 2011-10-12 15:16

    It doesn't matter anyway - the rugby world cup is now totally untruthful...

  • BM - 2011-10-12 15:52

    Lets get one thing straight. Pdiv, put his players in a training camp and lied to the public saying they were all injured. Doing this he kept them from the Tri-Nations to expose themselves to what lies ahead. If Wales beat South Africa in their first game, were you going to blame the ref? There were New Zealand Supporters backing the Boks in the game against the Aussies (as per the comentators) so why be so harsh to the country and the team when Bryce made the calls and the bad decisions. A lot of poeple around the world including New Zealanders were arguing the fact that his decisions were poor. The ref calls the game, however it is the teams that control the ball and where it ends up (try or penalty). I belive that my team the All Blacks have been playing on top form despite certain injuries however as a team they are not using it as an excuse instead using it as motivation. Win or Lose I will always support them as a South African, and yes I have been doing so for a very long time and no I dont want to disrepsect anyone or any team.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 16:35

      any south african that does not support his team (s) is nothing more than a wannabe supporter of an adopted national team, for goodness sakes man, the AB's are not a club, they are not Liverpool, I don't like PdV either, but It doesn't mean you turn your back on your country & then have the audacity to talk smack about SA & the Boks on N24. Sorry man, it doesn't matter how you skin it, you are a traitor.

      Brett - 2011-10-12 17:48

      I agree Prodigy. It is a basic matter of pride and belonging somewhere. It is probably one of the most basic emotions any human being can feel. We all know Bafana is terrible, but when they compete internationally we still stand behind them. But as you said earlier about these ex-Saffas.........let them cheer for their new countries while we snugly slide into the seats of our BMW's and enjoy our servants. LOL LOL. Do you want to help your wife vacuum the house or watch Rugby??????

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 18:14

      @BM, what the F**K is my team, are you a New Zealander, were you born there, do you live there, do you talk like them, NO...do you have an identity crisis or are you just a loser looking for a team that looks like they are winners, the All Blacks are NOT YOUR team, just as it isn't any other pathetic South African wannabe All Black supporters team that feel the need to spew their stupid vitriol on N24. Get a life for gods sake!!!

      typojoe - 2011-10-12 19:39

      @theprodigy I have been reading the drivel you post and all you seem to do is critisize others for their views and who they support and referring to others as traitors is rather without taste and you, obviously, are one of those brainless zombies that will jump over the edge of the cliff if you are told to. The aussies or ABs are not trying to find a winning team to support, as you suggest. Their teams have already defeated your "winning" team repeatedly this season. So why don't YOU find a winning team to support in stead of insulting others whilst you remain faceless. Spineless idiot.

  • Mate - 2011-10-12 16:36

    It's all good as the Protea's are out of the competetion. Anyone but them for most people in the world of rugby.

  • Steve - 2011-10-12 16:39

    I have a black cat that choked on a gold earing.France by 20

  • EJ - 2011-10-12 16:44

    going to be a big weekend in both rugby codes. NZ vs Australia in the RWC, a few hours earlier the rugby league is on between World Cup holders NZ vs Australia. exciting!

      Jim - 2011-10-13 14:51

      A real mans game.

  • marco - 2011-10-12 17:21

    My opinion would be no different if either Australia or New Zealand were eliminated by such incompetent refereeing as what Bryce Lawrence did.The fact that Lawrence "over refereed" the Australian pool game against Ireland,should not result in him turning a blind eye to ruck infringements in the spirit of letting the game flow.The game this weekend will turn out to be the battle between McCaw and Pocock and how it will be refereed on the day.It has become too obvious that McCaw has lost his ability to challenge for a ball in the ruck within the rules of the game.Australia has now had two really bad games in three weeks,but they also came into the tournament with a victory against the All Blacks.We all know they can beat Kiwis,but the real question is if Quade Cooper can overcome the pressure in the big game.The All Blacks have been the team that have managed to neutralise him the best so far and the Wallaby management would do well in considering starting Berrick Barnes instead of Cooper.You can't allow your team to stand and fall on the form of one player.Favorites still are the Kiwis to make it through to the final,even though they have the same question mark about the temperament of their young fly-half,Aaron Cruden.However the rest of the All Blacks backline do look very comfortable with him and if there is one team that can look after their young players,then it's the All Blacks.

      Mate - 2011-10-12 17:45

      Marco, I have read your posts many times and you doing exactly what you readily accuse other people of, including whining, bleating on etc. Just accept that your team wasn't good enough even though they had all the possession and territory. Every team get's a bad ref and just gets on with it. Before you whine again about lawrence just remember the times you have berated English people about whining and moaning. You are doing a job yourself at that.

      marco - 2011-10-12 18:15

      @Mate I don't know what it is about you people that you don't seem to get it.You all seem to ignore at your own convenience of what is essentially and fundamentally gone wrong for far to long with BAD REFEREEING aka Bryce Lawrence and his boss Paddy O'Brein.You say you've read my post,well I suggest you read it again for emphasis an this time please get the point: The Boks lost when Bryce Lawrence was appointed to referee the game,because without players with X-factor (Francois Steyn and Heinrich Brussow's injury),the Springboks were just not better than the sixteen men that lined-up against them at the cake tin in Wellington.At this level where the difference between two teams is measured in inches,this issue can't just be wiped under the carpet.Lawrence's performance was nothing short of abysmal.He did not award the Bok try because of a dubious forward pass and minutes later when the Boks once again breached the Aussie defences and were well on their way to scoring another try,he called them back again for a forward pass.Shortly after that he failed to penalise Daniel Vickerman (off his feet) for ripping the ball out of a ruck three meters from the Aussie line with the Boks on the attack.Three try scoring opportunities are rare in Test matches and the lack of consistency in refereeing styles continues to blight Test rugby and do determine the outcome of matches.This is not sourgrapes.This is a fundamental problem in all professional rugby and it all started when

      marco - 2011-10-12 18:18

      players were not allowed to ruck players on the wrong side of a ruck or those with their hands in the rucks.The boot policed the ruck in the past and no one got seriously hurt in the process. What is done is done,but the question remains is it appropriate for Paddy O'Brien,an inept New Zealander,to be "the official" who rates and appoints any referees? Can anyone trust Paddy O'Brien to appoint a referee that has the guts to referee say Richie McCaw in a final,like Wayne Barnes did in the Tri-Nations game prior to the RWC?He definitely got it wrong with the appointment of Lawrence,who was under massive pressure to correct the "wrongs" he publicly admitted too after the Wallabies' game against Ireland.To be honest,the biggest difference between Saturday and Sunday's Quarter-final games were the referees.Craig Joubert assisted the Ireland versus Wales game in being a truly magnificent game with no contentious issues and mistakes.Advantage was given to the team that showed the most enterprise and played within the rules.Not so with Bryce Lawrence! The same thing played out in the Argentinean game against the All Blacks.When the Pumas had possession,the All Blacks were allowed to lie on their elbows,three at a time,slowing the ball and the Argentineans were penalised for not releasing.The Kiwis never released the ball in the tackle which meant the South Americans were never allowed to place the ball,which is the most emphasised directive for referees.

      marco - 2011-10-12 18:19

      When New Zealand had possession,all you could hear at every ruck from the referee was "tackler release".Has there ever been a time with such blatant bias in a game like this? There is only one way to explain all this:the referees want to show their boss,Mr Paddy O'Brien,that they will look after Richie McCaw and the All Blacks to get their hands on the William Webb Ellis trophy.It has become too obvious that McCaw has lost his ability to challenge for a ball in the ruck within the rules of the game.It is a very sad state of affairs in RUGBY and the stuff conspiracy theories are made of,but unfortunately there is no other clear cut explanation for this prejudice.

      Andy49 - 2011-10-12 21:07

      Boks of Kleenex please & supersize it.

  • aman - 2011-10-12 18:01

    Wouldn't it be poetic justice to see one of these teams go through on the penalty shootout? Personally I would like it to be the AB's going through and getting beaten in the final.

      theprodigy - 2011-10-12 18:07

      id like a draw,neither deserve victory!!! seems there is no end to these spineless traitors on these pages, I'm sure most of them live in South Africa, what a bunch of losers, Mate is another one.

  • Mate - 2011-10-12 18:27

    @ Marco. My point is much more simple than you think. It is that you and others are still bleating an moaning FOUR days after the event and you are still ignoring the fact that Lawrence also let the springboks off a number of times also. Such as Steyn deliberately taking out the Aussie winger as he chased a kick, then there was a delibartae knock-on by Habbana, must I go on? You more than most must grow a pair and stop doing what you quickly accuse other people of doing i.e. bleating, whining and bitching. Not so good now you feel hard done by is it?

      aman - 2011-10-13 08:01

      Please do. You've named 2. How about the rest? And maybe you look at things from a different angle but the so called deliberate knock on was in fact a knock back. If you didn't know, a lot of Habana's tries have come from interceptions, a fact that irritates a lot of critics in SA as it causes an overlap when he misses, which is more than he gets it right. Now buggeroff and let us get this out of our system so that we can move on.

  • kiwimania - 2011-10-12 21:35

    Henk...you know nothing about rugby obviously. Why don't you stick towhat your mummy said and, "go outside and play hide and go F yourself...!!! Your sorry a*s side did not have the Ba*ls to play one decent game...the minute they came up against some form of opposition...they cracked like a bunch of girls....!!! Go watch something else with your springbok losers this weekend, something they might do better at than rugby....hey...how about soccor....!!!!

  • raven7 - 2011-10-12 21:38

    well over this side of the world both Aus an NZ are enjoyin the fantastic build up to another epic encounter, the week has been exciting to say the least, sadly one team must lose but that is sport isnt it? the welsh and french supporters are surely gearing up for another big weekend and we here wish them both the best of luck, all in all a fantastic week so far ...

  • Mickey Fin - 2011-10-13 00:42

    Reading these pages is really fun. It is now abundantly clear that the "brain drain" has had a massive effect on South Africa judging from the stupid comments here. Allegations of conspiracies and all the whinging and whining are actually hilarious. Then they go on to trash Australia and New Zealand as countries and say the expats are on these web sites to "justify" leaving S A!!!!! Just for the record, it is the educated that are leaving and continue leaving S A. You can really keep your crime infested and corrupted country to yourselves and as long as it makes you feel better, keep up with the sites to "ban Lawrence" and think up some more conspiracy theories. Just keep posting them as they are rather amusing and a good read every morning! Hope you all enjoy the semi's and finals!!!!!

      Brett - 2011-10-13 04:18

      To all the ex-Saffas living in OZ and NZ rubbishing our country......................enjoy washing your crappy Holdens and scrubbing the floor tiles while us "uneducated" South Africans left here live in the lap of luxury with our kids being educated in some of the best schools on the planet..........we were rewarded for sticking with our people, in abundance, while you battle to fit into countries where you will never really find your own little place in the sun. Most of you traded your mansions over here for very mundane little houses over there...............and me say good bye to my beloved Martha that brings my morning coffee everyday and irons my shirts?????? NEVER NEVER! Iron away and scrub those floors and don't forget to switch the TV on to watch your WC demise this weekend..............but only if you finished moving the lawn!

      Mike-O - 2011-10-13 04:27

      @brett - not everybody is a lazy ass like you and have problems with getting off their backsides to mow the lawn. And if you happen to live in luxury, enjoy it now, because the hungry hordes are comming. I live in Oz 4 months every year, and know a lot of South Africans there, they are all happy, none of them battle, and none of them rubbish SA.

      Brett - 2011-10-13 04:40

      @Mike-O.......................Dear Mike, you've got it wrong, like all ex-sour-Saffas. I actually work hard to be able to pay people to wash my car and mow my lawn, because for every salary we create here, we indirectly feed 27 other mouths around us. So your philosophy about us is narrow minded and selfish. While you mow the lawn, I golf, and once again create a job for a caddy, who in return can go home and feed his family. So my lazy existence as you call it, works for a lot of people.

      Mike-O - 2011-10-13 06:11

      @ Brett - I am not an ex-South African, like I wrote, I spend 4 months of the year living in Oz, for bussiness. You seemed to feel that mowing the lawn is a fate worse than death, I must have misunderstood. Anyway, I employ people in OZ and SA too, and not only as caddies, or garden and househelp.

      raven7 - 2011-10-13 09:06

      @Brett yes SA is soo much better and you live in the lap of luxury......thats why thousands upon thousand either have left SA for NZ/Aus or are desperately trying to get there.....and thats a FACT, how many NZ/Aus citizens want to move to SA? I understand you love your country, but please atleast try to live in reality

  • Rick - 2011-10-13 04:19

    I dont even know why sites allow for comments. It's just a group of people bashing each other without any objective arguments. What a sorry bunch

      Brett - 2011-10-13 04:32

      Come on Rick! As a Matie, you should have a sense of humour! Drink some Tassies and then all of these comments will start entertaining you and the other hard werkende studente. Vang Gees Seun!

  • jon - 2011-10-13 09:06

    As a Bok supporter i say go All Blacks.

      GBB - 2011-10-13 14:12

      Despite my goading of some people on this site I must be honest and repeat what I said at the beginning of the WC. Aus was always a beter favourite to win. The proof is in the way they flattened NZ and us in the Tri-nations. The Reds stars will all be playing this weekend and there are doubts about the NZ due to key players being out like Dan Carter. I also think France will just scrape past Wales, us much as I admire the way that Wales made it to the Semis, and hence a France - Aus final. Maybe the French will ovewhelm the Aussies with garlic on the day, too hard to figure just yet

  • Buddy Nuku - 2011-10-13 12:23

    That is just the competitive relationship we ANZACs live for, South Africans are really down to earth people and it was an honour to meet Matfield du Preez and du Plessis in Wellington after long day at Universtiy. Was sad to see South Africa leave but may the best man win. Overall, NZ have done an awesome job in running a satisfying and awesome Rugby World Cup 2011!

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