Boks v Oz clash on the cards

2011-09-17 16:00

Auckland -The Wallabies were crestfallen after a shattering try-less 15-6 mugging by Ireland to turn their World Cup campaign upside down at Eden Park on Saturday.

Yet again the Wallabies crashed and burned at the All Black citadel where they haven't won a Test since 1986 and now it was Ireland's turn to prolong the misery.

The ramifications are that Australia, barring any unforseen Irish collapse in their remaining pool games against lower-ranked Russia and Italy, are heading for a likely quarter-final with defending champions South Africa.

If the Wallabies negotiate their way past the Springboks then it is strongly likely that they will run into the All Blacks in the semi-finals.

It was just Australia's second loss in a pool stage at a World Cup after falling to South Africa 27-18 in 1995.

"We were outplayed, basically," coach Robbie Deans said.

"It doesn't really matter what elements you put it down to. We came here to play and to win and we came second."

Skipper James Horwill said the scrum had a big bearing on the outcome of the game.

"We'll do some work on that, we'll look at the (video) tape and hopefully it won't become an issue going forward.

"The Irish did very well and we played some dumb football. We were not good enough. We didn't deal with it well enough.

"Ireland did very well to spoil our game. They deserved to win. We needed to play a bit smarter and didn't hold onto the ball enough."

The Wallabies in the end had no answer to the suffocating pressure the Irish exerted on them and playmakers Quade Cooper and Will Genia were subdued by swarming defenders.

"The Irish played more intelligently, they put us under a lot of pressure and profited from that, particularly in our end of the ground," Deans said.

"It doesn't change everything, the tournament remains the same and what we got tonight was an insight into the World Cup is all about and what the Irish brought is exactly what's required to succeed in tournaments like this."

Cooper said the Wallabies were shellshocked by the loss.

"It's never a good feeling when you lose a game, especially when it's an important game in an important competition like the World Cup," he said.

"So there's a point where you've got to say 'we messed up there and as a team we've got to do better'.

"We've got to be in and amongst it around the finals series. We've got to get better and we've got to improve next week (against United States)."


  • Mr Bee Hind - 2011-09-17 15:21

    Ozzies peaked to early along with the all chokers. Its going to be a bok bashing!!!

      MartinRugby - 2011-09-17 16:28

      Well my original prediction was that we won’t make it pass the quarters but after today’s game, I think we might win the whole thing! :). But yes, why not be clever and throw a game and make it MUCH easier for us to get to the final!???

      OZNOB - 2011-09-17 16:29

      it is historically proven that the winners of the tri-nations in the world cup will never win the world cup so i am inclined to agree with you on that one

      marco - 2011-09-17 17:32

      Unless Italy does them,the Wallabies,a big favour in beating Ireland in their remaining pool game which is not beyond the realm of possibility.Italy have beaten France this year in the Six Nations,so I won't just yet put a victory over a hot and cold blowing Ireland beyond Italy grasp.Australians are never over and out kinda people,far from it.Ten weeks ago they lost 33-23 to Samoa in their own backyard,that Samoan victory was hailed by many rugby pundits as the biggest shock in test rugby by far, and yet Australia went on from there to win the Tri-Nations.Never write the Aussies off,they'll be sure to make amends for this huge and embarrassing setback.So Boks beware of the wounded Wallaby!!!!!

      MrWhite - 2011-09-17 18:12

      Lets be honest. Its highly unlikely that the wallabies will continue to play such bad rugby.

      pagel - 2011-09-17 23:04

      @Logoll: I agree - rather win the WC the Ireland/France route than be brave and loose the Aussie/NZ route. Everybody on here is very brave, but it is all about odds - your odds of beating Australia, then NZ, then the best of the Northern henisphere in a row (which will require no serious injuries) is extremely slim. Wake up and smell the roses.

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 09:35

      Martin you never throw a game at the world cup! Momentum is key to winning the world cup. Bring on Oz!

      roboman1 - 2011-09-19 13:21

      The problem is this group, is that if we throw a game we might actually not even make the quarters, yes, do the numbers, check the permutations, Pool D, one loss and we may not be in the quarters, because it will then mean Wales, us and Samoa each have a loss, then it could get down to bonus points, and Wales play last, so you do not want to risk that.

  • simon.theman.barnes - 2011-09-17 15:23

    South Africa v France final now

      Scaramouche - 2011-09-17 15:53

      Looking forward to that!!!

      africanwolf - 2011-09-17 20:20

      I still think NZ will take it

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-17 22:06

      i dont think the aussies has the depth to play so many big games in a row. i dont think the bokke can beat the aussies and the NZ two weeks in a row (unless all the injured players are ready, and then it is a long shot). nz must be the favorites still especially with the depth that they have.

  • Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-09-17 15:29

    @Simon. You have a hope. None of your predicted teams will be in the 2011 RWC final, maybe in any other final.

  • rudzani - 2011-09-17 15:34

    if so they will be our breakfast

  • Boks4life - 2011-09-17 15:38

    Should we lose a match ? What a dilemma !!!!!

  • Aabels - 2011-09-17 15:41

    What happens if the Boks loose against Samoa????

      JandB - 2011-09-17 16:05

      i like that...only because we will go on to face the NH teams on our way to the final

      Frans Smith - 2011-09-17 22:09

      play the second team - we have nothing to lose. if we lose, we have the easier quarter final? if we win, we rested and protected some of our 1st choice 15.

  • Boks4life - 2011-09-17 15:48

    I think we should lose in orde to have easier eliminatory games ...

      Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-09-17 16:19

      That will be your BEST bet. Otherwise the wizard of Oz will deal with you in the Quarters. The Aussies are a good team. They had an OFF day today. This can happen to any side. How bad can they play compared to today?

      Bok Fan - 2011-09-17 17:27

      even worse....they like the stock market crash before 2007 - its down hill from here

      Uthikoloshe - 2011-09-17 17:49

      Perfect to face Aus i think. If SA were to win it that would be aussie in the quater,. NZ in the semis, and the best northern team in the final. That would be most worthy of respect, unlike trowing a match to get at percieved easier teams.

      Boks4life - 2011-09-17 18:06

      @Uthikoloshe What ? The only thing is to win the cup remember 2007 !!!

      Bob/Dale Sportztrad - 2011-09-17 18:30

      Australia are the easy option.

      luckpon - 2011-09-18 01:32

      Agree100%mate make it easy on's all about tactic on and off the field....go bokke!,

      Magmansa - 2011-09-18 04:54

      Why do u guys thing going the other route is gonna be easy? If Ireland can beat aussie they can beat us too. This world cup is gonna be a challenge no matter what, for all teams.

      Redobserver - 2011-09-19 15:26

      What makes you think Ireland would be any easier?

  • Mirror_Man - 2011-09-17 15:51

    The Boks were Beautiful. When we play like that against the All Blacks there'll be tears - just like the Pumas in the 2007 semi

  • Angelo - 2011-09-17 16:07

    SOUTH AFRICA versus FRANCE will be in the final ab will choke ozzies we will crush them..

  • First48 - 2011-09-17 16:12

    Recent history counts for nothing. Boks by 10!

  • EJ - 2011-09-17 16:16

    Better to play the wallabies that are battered, bruised and depressed then meeting them when they are on form. Smash them upfront, slow the game down and dictate the pace of the game as it frustrated the aussies and forces them into errors and and go viral on the drop goals as Ireland did. Thier scrum was pathetic after all the hype over it, I cant stop but lauging at the moment.

  • Dontknow777 - 2011-09-17 16:19

    Enjoyed Horwill's comment about Ireland spoiling their ball, perhaps they have the equivalenet of the Proteas Graham Smith in their team. I'm all for that. Have to add, loving Coopers passes these days, this guy is money for the other team.

  • Eugene - 2011-09-17 16:19

    Irish beat Aus by playing with a classic Springbok game plan. The Ausissies played to hard for the tri-nations trophy and peaked too early. I don't see them getting past the quarter finals.

  • Jack - 2011-09-17 16:20

    Now that is a prospect that makes me nervous - Oz in quarters, NZ in semi's. Phew!

      Kudubul - 2011-09-17 16:27

      we have to loose to Samoa.Its our only hope

      Razz-ma-Tazz - 2011-09-17 16:40

      Spot on Jack. You're statement makes absolute sense. The boks are due to trip with that line up, guaranteed.

      Jack - 2011-09-17 16:44

      One thing we cannot do is deliberately lose to samoa. That sort of stuff jinxes you. You have to play fullout no matter what's in front of you. Anyway, I'm tipping samoa to beat wales - this has happened twice before in world cups, so i think the high road is ours, whether we like it or not.

      FJ2 - 2011-09-17 21:56

      A prospect that makes you nervous? It should be getting your juices flowing if you're a real winner! When the going gets tough, the tough get going! Contrary to what guys like Razz-ma-Tazz think, we're looking forward to playing the All Blacks and Aussies and, contrary to the arrogance of the AB's and Aussies' SA fans - thinking we'd be easy meat for them - we know that we are vulnerable, but we also know that we can play above ourselves and, on our day, beat anybody. Seems to me the Boks have always enjoyed being underdogs an excelled precisely because of that. Also, Razz-,a-Tazz, despite what you and your cronies, in your disrespectful way, might think - these Boks are old hands (despite being actually younger than the AB's on average) and know how to overcome adversity and in the past have shown that they can handle immense pressure. They are not 'invincible" like you think your teams are, but they will never, ever, lie down and let the AB's, Aussies or any other team just walk over them in a RWC or any other match. Maybe, if you show some respect, it will be returned in equal measure.

      Magmansa - 2011-09-18 05:14

      U cant throw matches it the world cup!! (a)Imagine what people will think of us (b)That brings negativity into the squad, we need to keep momentum going in2 the quarters. If we're worthy we'l beat anyone that's put on our path to the finals.

  • Selwyn - 2011-09-17 16:24

    U. SA Deans, the USA , will beat you too.Send your pack to S.A. for training ,before the next world cup.

      kidblack - 2011-09-17 16:52

      go smoke some more crack buddy.

  • LGH - 2011-09-17 16:42

    Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pussy - 2011-09-17 17:00

    Lose of FORM is only temporary...but CLASS is permanent...and that is what this Springbok squad has!!! GO BOKKE!!!!

  • amabok - 2011-09-17 17:02

    Boks should throw the game against Samoa. No chance of beating Aus - NZ - France/Eng to win the title.

      Shakes - 2011-09-17 17:07

      @amabok. do you say the boks must apply the Hansie Cronje method.

      Henk - 2011-09-17 21:40

      Dont bring the ANC into this! This is the Springboks. They have beaten every rugby nation in the world many times and can do it again. If you support the Boks do it with a Bok mentality. Not with an ANC mentality!

      RandomDude - 2011-09-18 05:00

      Yeah that's what everyone said back in 95 .."No chance' ..blabla

      BlueRaven - 2011-09-19 13:32

      You NEVER throw a game idiot! Especially not in the World Cup. No team that lost a game in the world cup has ever lifted Bill. You want to know why? Because the minute you lose, you lose confidence and momentum. So please go talk crap somewhere else. The Bokke must win every game.

  • Pussy - 2011-09-17 17:07

    Now for the Province 3rd team to teach the Bulls 1st team a rugby lesson...perfect end to the day!!!! PRRRRROOOOOOOOVINCE!!!!!!

  • Pussy - 2011-09-17 17:14

    Now for the Province 3rd team to teach the Bulls 1st team a rugby lesson...perfect end to the day!!!! PRRRRROOOOOOOOVINCE!!!!!!

      Pennyformy.. - 2011-09-17 17:32

      Bulls 3rd team 20-3 after 24 minutes against Province 2nd .... suppose I'm watching a different game eh?

      wdvilliers - 2011-09-17 20:31

      Speak up...we cannot hear you...

  • Pennyformy.. - 2011-09-17 17:26

    Thought JF/JDV was the right combination but the latter has lost some flair – think he’s got injury concerns in the back of his mind. FS and JF were great together. Hougaard in the team in place of Habana is a no-brainer. Smit … I think all the praise from P-Divvy went to his head … and he is too thick to realise that if Aus/NZ journos write him up it is because they do not want Bismark in the starting 15! Facts: our “fearless inspirational leader” went of while we were behind against Wales and we won WITHOUT him on the field. If you watch his 53 minutes today … always on the fringes, do not commit … 2 good moves in minute 24 and 40 and the third time he featured was when he knocked in the second half. Scrums were decent with him there – Bismark on, 3 tightheads!! Last week and this week there were 2 incidents where he could have dived on a loose ball … but he does not want to get injured because he’s too afraid to let Bismark play 80 minutes! He is arrogant and should demote himself to the bench for the sake of his team and country. I am sure ALL the props will pick Bismark. So would Bullterrier Brussouw because he’ll have another ball hunter with him. So please John Smit – do the right thing – you are just too average to start for the Boks – and it might work in the pool games to give Bismark only 20 minutes, but it will not be enough time to play catch-up in the semis against Aus.

  • marco - 2011-09-17 17:31

    Unless Italy does them,the Wallabies,a big favour in beating Ireland their remaining pool game which is not beyond the realm of possibility.Italy have beaten France this year in the Six Nations,so I won't just yet put a victory over a hot and cold blowing Ireland beyond Italy grasp.Australians are never over and out kinda people,far from it.Ten weeks ago they lost 33-23 to Samoa in their own backyard,that Samoan victory was hailed by many rugby pundits as the biggest shock in test rugby by far, and yet Australia went on from there to win the Tri-Nations.Never write the Aussies off,they'll be sure to make amends for this huge and embarrassing setback.So Boks beware of the wounded Wallaby!!!!!

      burtfred - 2011-09-17 17:59

      Australia won the Tri Nations playing against SA-B team and Allblack B-team.

  • LouisFLY - 2011-09-17 18:49

    what is wrong with these people..the boks throw a game..I call it loser mentality. Bring on the aussies, the boks will crush them, this is a World cup not a Tri-nations Boks-experiement tournament.

  • marc.a.tison - 2011-09-17 19:30

    The Wallabies played as good as they needed to play to win the Trinations and Super 15. This was just a bridge too far and it shows that it remains possible to defend the World Cup, but impossible to win any World Cup with a cupboard full of silverware. They looked tired today and like they needed to rest a few players - like the Boks have already done. It is just too late now because the game is on. What makes it even more difficult is that the Wallabies now have to play the same top 22 in the remaining pool matches, whilst the Boks can continue to rest some, so I predict the 1/4 final against the Wallabies will see the same lethargy we saw today; A team in desperate need of rest!

  • goodtimes1 - 2011-09-17 20:15

    Well done Bokke we are proud of you!!!!"

  • Craig - 2011-09-17 20:22

    Well if we win this RWC we will without a doubt be the best world champions ever. To defeat the Aussies and All Blacks in succession and then take the final will be momentous!! Power rugby and structure will over come both these sides...GO BOKKE!!

  • Edmund - 2011-09-17 20:23

    I for one want to see SA beat the best in the world... if that means taking the Wallabies down in the quarters... and the Kiwis in the semi... and lastly beating the best of Europe... so be it! :)

  • pagel - 2011-09-17 21:30

    We should aim to be 2nd in our pool. Likely Ireland in the quarters, France in the Semis and Winner Aus/NZ in the final (if we make it that far).

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-17 21:58

    I am going to read the Auckland newspaper, where I can count on an unbiased anti-aussie account... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

  • steam_engine - 2011-09-17 22:17

    Aussies should have taken that last penalty to the post instead of tapping!!

  • notapnala - 2011-09-18 01:47

    This is good news. Now we don't have to play Ireland in the quarters!

  • jacque.ackerman - 2011-09-18 04:51

    The Boks can now win a mini tri nations on their way to the final !

  • Rightway - 2011-09-18 11:10

    The Springboks are the team to beat at this world cup. After demolishing Fiji the English, Aussies, AB are the next in line. We have every thing. Good scrum. Good line out. Good goal kicker. Good runners. Good forwards. Other teams might be good in some departments but not as we are. They might have better individuals. We have the better team.

      Clark Kent - 2011-09-18 20:53

      you are on drugs they are hopeless without a game plan,and are lucky to be ranked third in the world at the moment

      Fred - 2011-09-20 19:52

      You Poisened the AB's in '95 what devious means do u have this RWCup? GOOOO AB's

  • Sammo - 2011-09-19 12:23

    Ireland showed how to beat Aus - take them out in the scrums and hold them up in the mauls and thus slowing down the formation of a ruck i.e. put them under pressure from first phase and slow down the second phase. In short, they copied the Boks. This is how the bok's play and when excecute it well we always beat Aus and frequently NZ. England did it in 2007. With our scrum starting to come right and Broussow and Burger combo developing we have nothing to fear from Aus (as long as we don't sub Smit and move him to prop in 2nd half like in Durban - thats why we lost even though we were very rusty in that game).

  • AbuBakr - 2011-09-19 22:13

    to be the best u hveta beat the best !!!!!!!!!!!!!!and the springboks will deffinitley beat austraila,then its NewZealand after a week an i hink if anyone cn beat the allblacks at home in auckland its the springboks........anyone agree??????????

  • wozlocksley - 2011-09-20 15:39

    wallabies stuggle to win big games in nz - fact. they will dish out a hiding to the usa next game. they will not be able to get past both the boks and the abs in successive weekends. its just not going to happen.

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