Boertjie in England's sights

2011-06-14 19:00

Hendrik Cronjé

Bloemfontein - Mouritz Botha, a South African from Vryheid, could be the surprise package in England's squad for this year's Rugby World Cup.

Botha became eligible to play for England this year.

The 29-year Saracens lock has been lauded by the English media after his feisty performance at Gloucester's Kingsholm ground against Tonga on Sunday.

It was especially his bone crunching tackles on the physical Tongans that attracted big attention in the English Saxons' 41-14 victory in a Churchill Cup match.

Saxons' coach Stuart Lancaster, said that many of their forwards impressed so much that they could be included in England coach Martin Johnson's Rugby World Cup training squad.

After Botha represented English club side, Bedford Blues in 73 matches since 2006, he received an offer from Saracens' South African coach, Brendan Venter in 2009. He has since excelled at Saracens.

He made his debut for the Saxons in their 87-8 victory over America.


  • megaquadrillionaire - 2011-06-14 19:20

    SA has good rugby players for days. I think SA could make 10 world class sides.

  • Dingbat - 2011-06-14 19:20

    Vryheid - Free State come on!!!!!

      JG - 2011-06-17 09:35

      Vryheid is in NATAL

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-06-19 00:59

      @Dingbat Not so bright - you're from the Free State aren't you?

  • MICHAEL JVR - 2011-06-14 19:50

    Definieer asb vir my wat presies u bedoel met verwysing na Mouritz Botha as 'n "boertjie."

      Ernest - 2011-06-14 20:11

      ek dink hulle bedoel "boertjie"

      SNG62 - 2011-06-14 20:23

      get a life, bud.

      TrueSaffa - 2011-06-14 20:27

      meskien is dit sy nickname? dis iets om op trots te wees!

      Stormsaam! - 2011-06-15 08:51

      Kom oor jouself Michael! Ek is 'n wit afrikaanse man en het absoluut geen probleem daarmee dat na hom verwys word as boertjie nie, soos ek vir Mouritz ken sal hy ook nie omgee dat hulle na hom verwys as "boertjie" nie, so asseblief kom net oor jouself!!! Die joernalis het ook sy feite verkeerd, hy kom van Calvinia af, nie Vryheid nie!

      WP_Tsunami - 2011-06-15 12:51


      Jaco - 2011-06-15 20:44

      Dis sy bynaam. Ontspan.

  • Mfezi - 2011-06-14 20:01

    @ JVR - doesn't he simply mean that a person of Afrikaans heritage (also known as a boer and therefore a boertjie in slang) may be playing for England. So it is highlighting the age old tension between rooineks and boers and therefore showing the irony of an Afrikaans person playing for England. Simple hey! De La Rey!

      MICHAEL JVR - 2011-06-14 20:14

      Mfezi, Mr Peter de Villiers is of Afrikaans heritage. Would you regard him as a Boertjie? Simple hey?

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-15 11:14

      @JVR, don't be deliberately obtuse. Boertjie specificially means WHITE. I have yet to hear any coloured person be referred to as a Boer. If you said just Afrikaans it might be construed as maybe being coloured but Afrikaans heritage/Afrikaner specificially means WHITE. If someone is coloured we say COLOURED. I don't see the confusion so it is pretty simple.

      MICHAEL JVR - 2011-06-15 15:14

      Staal, die kleurling gemeenskap verwys na wit Suid Afrikaners wie Afrikaans praat as "boere". Om iemand wie van 'n Afrikaanse afkoms is te definieer soos Mfezi is foutief aangesien dit Peter de Villiers sou insluit. Kom ek gaan verder as my aanvanklike vraag. Is alle wit Suid Afrikanders wie Afrikaans praat noodwendig "boere"?

      CITIZEN - 2011-06-17 16:09

      wat maak dit nou saak praat oor die man wat van gepraat word vra vir news om vir jou te verduidelik wat hulle bedoel met die "boertjie" naam hoe weet ons hy is afrikaans daar is botha's wat engels praat so news help bietjie hier want michael verstaan nie so mooi nie

  • Ho - 2011-06-14 20:32

    Just as with the England cricket team, there are legions more (White) South African sportsmen who will feature in the coming years for England teams...a legacy of the racist AA practice of the ANC...

      Andrew - 2011-06-15 01:42

      Not even to mention New Zealand and Australia, my son is playing junior club rugby in Auckland, and they have 5 South African kids just in the one team.

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-06-19 01:03

      My cousin is playing High School rugby in Oz, and almost all the top school teams he plays against have SA lighties in them. We're hemoraging tallent!!

  • frangelico - 2011-06-14 21:06

    I take offence to you calling him boertjie he is a white South African. Just like you can't call a k***ir a k***ir he is a black South African. before anyone gets nappy rash I write in jest.But it does make you think doesn't it

      Stormsaam! - 2011-06-15 08:56

      I refer you to what Mfezi said earlier, so thus no, not too much to go and think about. But I do think you need to go think about what you just said...

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-15 11:18

      Actually, frangelico does have a point. English speakers often use the term "boer" as a sort of veiled jibe, although admittedly mostly in jest. Fortunately, most Afrikaners are comfortable enough with themselves that they don't give a toss. However there is that under current that sometimes come to the fore when a non-Afrikaans speaker, or Brit wants to emphasize something he considers backwards or immoral, then some play on the term Boer etc will come up. In those circumstances it would be "racist". But then like I said, most Afrikaners don't give a toss.

      Stormsaam! - 2011-06-15 12:03

      @Staalburgher: You're right in saying that, but I do believe that this headline should not be interpreted in that light at all. It's another Afrikaans boytjie making a name for himself in another country and it's something we as afrikaans people should be proud of! We've got a fantastic culture and the Afrikaans community has delivered so many talented sportsmen/women, brilliant academics and extremely successful businessmen/women, which is why most afrikaans people doesn't give a toss when we're called boer/boertjie! Besides, we Afrikaners have used the term "boer" ourselves for ages, so like we say : "Jy kan nie jou brood aan albei kante gebotter he nie ou maat!"

      StaalBurgher - 2011-06-15 14:57

      @stormsaam, I agree that was not the intention of the headline. You can't blame people for trying to play international sport if they feel they can't make the Bok team. Coupled that with the the fact that they are guaranteed a better wage playing at domestic level overseas it is a good career move for some. If South Africa had the economy and per capita GDP of the UK and thus be able to pay players more that the European clubs very few South Africans will be moving there, international chances or no.

      James - 2011-06-17 16:05

      In my experience of living and playing rugby in this country, I would be very comfortable with being called "boertjie". He has made a name for himself and commands respect in England, and his nickname denotes his heritage.... all the more reason to be proud and the poms will be reminded that this particular good fortune is S african. In my circles, "boertjie " has always been a term used fondly and received just as fondly.

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-06-19 01:20

      @StaalBurgher "English speakers often use the term "boer" as a sort of veiled jibe"... really?! I'm an Afrikaans guy who grew up in Natal and went to an English high school, and then went on to study at Tuks. Never ever have I heard an English person call an Afrikaans person a "Boer" as a "veiled jibe". You're confusing English speaking South Africans with Malema... which may be a "veiled jibe" in itself!

  • cessna900 - 2011-06-14 21:25

    Mo het baie goeie rugby saam met my by Noordelikes Tech gespeel. Daar het hy al tekens gewys om eendag vir die WP/Stormers en Bokke te speel. Maar die stigma in SA rugby speel hulle mos Oue te huis Botha en Mattfield vir die volgende 100 jaar. Mo gaan die twee GROOT en ek bedoel GROOT opdraende gee as hy vir die Souties gekies word. Hulle staan nie 'n kaans teen hom. Wys hulle my ou maat en maak Heluim Div se bek stil .....

      pcpcoetzee89 - 2011-06-15 13:08

      Drink jou koffie ... en sit af die lig @cessna900 ... ek kan sien jy's vaak en begin yl!

  • The_Empire - 2011-06-15 07:03

    I dont get it, the "boertjies" hate the English, yet almost all of them are trying to play for the English Sports teams and are trying th outmost to packup and make a new home in England. I guess it the new fashion to be English, should i rather say, wish to be English.

      kosie - 2011-06-15 07:29

      might hate the english but we hate south african politics even more....

      Hannes van der Linde - 2011-06-15 08:45

      No no no, the english clubs keep approching them. You do not have the talent or depth that SA has and that is why you keep picking up the scraps. You lure second choices to your country with big checks! Moron! I'd kill myself if I was born a pom!

      mike - 2011-06-15 10:43

      I think that the poms would commit mass genocide against themselves if you were a pom

  • Dash - 2011-06-15 09:35

    WTF, why is everything politicised in SA. If "Boertjie" I mean Mouritz is good for England than let it be. He wasn't going to make any grade is SA rugby anyway. Fact of the matter is he is SAcan period, they can boast all they like!!!!!!

      watalife - 2011-06-15 10:56

      Yes they can boast, they developed him into the player he is after he was left out in the cold in SA....

      Whoosa - 2011-06-15 14:55

      Yes getalife, so can the bulls boast about the Hougaard's etc. as they developed them into the players they are today ne..... Cant wait for Sadie to arrive, only 1 year and he will be a bok!

  • joe joe - 2011-06-20 10:13

    Oh no... now England can decode the afrikaans language in the line outs.. hopefully want become like our cricket SA A-side (proteas) vs SA B-side(England)

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