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Prayer saved me - WP prop

2012-02-14 07:40

Cape Town - Schalk Ferreira will make his long-awaited return to the rugby field at prop for Western Province when they tackle SWD in a friendly at Outeniqua Park in George on Tuesday.

In 2009, three specialists told the 27-year-old he should never play contact sport again after undergoing a second neck operation.

But according to Die Burger newspaper he's back onto the playing field after a prayer and a visit to another specialist.

"I was visited by a missionary friend of mine, Phillip Conradie, and asked him to pray for me. After that I started training and a specialist in Pretoria, Daan de Klerk, did tests and a scan.

"He said my neck responded well to the operation (of 2009) and that I could play prop again."

And Ferreira has no doubt that his friend's prayer played a role in his recovery.

"I believe it's a miracle."

Ferreira played the last of his 68 first class matches at hooker for Boland against Western Province on 26 September 2009. Before that, he also played 47 games for WP and 16 for the Stormers.

Ferreira was always deemed too light for a prop at 95kg, but he has since trained hard to increase his muscle mass and now weighs 115kg.

"My first goal is the Vodacom Cup competition, but Allister Coetzee (Stormers coach) said I might get another chance at Super Rugby level if I prove myself," said Ferreira.

Teams:

SWD: TBA

Western Province: 15 William van Wyk, 14 Ghafoer Luckan, 13 JP du Plessis, 12 Berton Klaasen, 11 Ederies Arendse, 10 Demetri Catrakilis, 9 Ricky Schroeder, 8 Nic Fenton-Wells (captain), 7 Reuben Johannes, 6 Rohan Kitshoff, 5 Wilhelm van der Sluys, 4 Quinn Roux, 3 Tom Botha, 2 Sidney Tobias, 1 Schalk Ferreira.

Substitutes: 16 Yako Madoda, 17 Pieter Stemmet, 18 Alistair Vermaak, 19 Hilton Lobberts, 20 Donovan Armand, 21 Tyrone Holmes, 22 Yaya Hartzenberg, 23 Andries Truter, 24 Kurt Coleman, 25 Michael van der Spuy, 26 Tim Swiel, 27 Taariq Davids.

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Comments
  • Lionel - 2012-02-14 07:58

    Welcome back!!!!Hope you can make the step up to Super rugby!!!!

  • Neil - 2012-02-14 08:08

    Just Because an individual says its a miracle doesnt make it so. Im tired of people claiming prayer healed them or saved them, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. If his case was brought up in a reputed medical or scientific journal (where evidence and reasoning are required to back up claims) and no scientific or medical reason could be given for his ability to play again after 2 years, I would be somewhat impressed. As of yet there has still been not one case of prayer healing blindness, or making a disabled person walk again, or any other myriad of fanciful claims. It is rather insulting to the surgeons and specialists who devote their lives to the pursuit of scientific knowledge in order to heal our imperfect bodies. And another thing, how come god gets the credit for all the good stuff, and when bad stuff happens his hand is nowhere to be seen?

      Dirk - 2012-02-14 08:34

      Amen, Schalk. I have experienced miracles many times. But there have been disappointments as well, but for a reason ALWAYS. Give God ALL the honour and ALL the glory and keep your eyes focused on Him alone. God bless you richly.(Except against the Cheetahs LOL)

      jacobisschoff84 - 2012-02-14 08:41

      I feel sorry for you Neil. I guess you don't enjoy life or haven't found true happiness and now blames God that gave you your life! Anyway, take a prozac and happy valentines day to you.

      Al - 2012-02-14 08:42

      Neil, if believer’s convictions are frustrating to you, then wouldn’t it be easier to simply ignore these statements? I find it odd that you find hearing others beliefs so tiring. Just get on with whatever it is that you believe in and leave Christians, who are quite content in their faith, alone. The fact that you seem so taken by our beliefs is interesting to me as I don’t invest any time in talking about things that I have no interest in, let alone invest the time to actually write out a statement as you have. Yet you feel the need to bang your drum...and again, on something that you couldn’t care less about. Stop banging :) you will be better of for it. Oh and God is always mentioned when thing go wrong, because He is the one helping us through these situations. Bad things happen to good people. Being a Christian is not a private club, where believers in Christ, are suddenly immune to bad things happening, not at all - in fact, quite the contrary. I have not walked in your shoes, but give God a chance. For once try to be objective and you just never know, you may end up seeing things in a different light.

      Phil - 2012-02-14 08:44

      " Just Because an individual says its a miracle doesnt make it so. " You are right ....but just because someone says it is NOT a miracle , doesn't make that so ..either.

      Saffa - 2012-02-14 08:48

      @Neil: I am by NO stretch of the imagination a bible basher or reborn Christian. What I am is a believer (albeit a sinful believer who makes mistakes every single day of her life). I can understand you questioning the logic behind 'miracles' as I too am pretty fed up with false prophet fat cats who take money from the desperate with the promise of 'healings and miracles'. What I am NOT blind to though, is that God (or whatever power you want to call the POWER) whilst not swishing a magic wand and miraculously healing the planet - MOST CERTAINLY gives those surgeons the gift of healing does he not? Does he not fill sufferers like Schalk (above) with the positive mental energy to fight his injury? Is that on its own not a miracle in this age of negativity and pain? I don't see miracles as miraculous healings and wonderous works - I see miracles everyday of my life e.g.: people holding down 2 jobs to educate their children, a man stopping on the side of the road to assist an injured dog, a child giving a senior citizen a hug....these my friend are ALSO miracles, and if you open your eyes and your heart, you might start seeing them 2. Peace.

      lnaude - 2012-02-14 09:13

      Neil, I think you should find a Pastor in a Church who is willing to explain to you Gods creations, it may explain the good and bad. You need not forget who is working through those surgeons and specialits you are referring to. Stop being a Bible basher and make an effort to be informed. Alternatively do not comment on religion if you don't have anything positive to say. The bible often refers to bad things happening and God's wrath.

      Vincent - 2012-02-14 11:20

      Neil, If some one believes that prayer has helped him then who are you to judge! I assume that you don't believe in a GOD of any kind. We all believe in something or other so don't shoot down the next persons beliefs or religion. Insult to surgeons etc.? They got their brains from their God and because you have so little faith you got no brains from what ever you believe in.

      Flemjob - 2012-02-14 13:24

      Next time dont go to hospital and go straight to church. A miracle is something supernatural. I'm embarassed that people still believe this crap in this day and age. Its a bloody huge insult to everyone who treated him. What if he didn't ever play again, would he then blame God?

      Fred - 2012-02-14 14:14

      @Flemjob If you want to save your child from polio, you can pray or you can inoculate.- Carl Sagan I'll bet all the faithheads have had their children vaccinated. And if they have to admit it then they will claim their god created vaccination. Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration -- courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the truth.- H L Mencken,

      Fred - 2012-02-14 14:17

      @"You are all fools" Dirk "I have experienced miracles many times". Care to share them with us? We would be most interested to hear about them and why you consider them to be miracles performed by a god.

      steyts - 2012-02-14 15:14

      He should of thanked Allah then... Then maybe you us Christians who do believe in God wouldn't have been attacked like this and all these other people would have kept their mouths shut!!! Anyway, why would he go seek medical advice in Pretoria if he lives in the medical capital of the world (Cape Town)?? I heard that he was told by three other surgeons that he is not fit to play. Whether that was after his friends prayers or not I don't know. I just hope he knows what he is doing and that he won't injure himself again...

  • Bernard - 2012-02-14 08:19

    Schalk, don't forget to give yourself and the doctor the credit you guys deserve as well- the doctor for making it happen and yourself for all the hard work you put in as well.

      Marius - 2012-02-14 08:54

      I agree Bernard. God helps those who helps themselves. But his faith gave him the motivation to work hard and be healed, because in his mind he was not alone in his battle against the injury. A positive mindset is what causes miracles. The brain is one of the biggest healers of your own body. If it is tuned into the right frequency and thoughts, it releases the required ensymes and hormones to effect the healing required.

      Bernard - 2012-02-14 09:23

      Marius, while I don't believe a god had anything to do with it, I do believe that sitting back and "hoping" also won't help (just like you). And he didn't just sit back and hope- he got on with his recovery. No matter what we each believe in this case, the outcome was great and I am genuinely happy for him.

      Marius - 2012-02-14 11:52

      Bernard. One of the biggest obstacles in any rehab process, being it recovery from an injury, illness or substance abuse, is the feeling that your are fighting the battle on your own. When you have faith, you have the comfort that you are not fighting the battle alone. And when you start experiencing the results, it only serves to strengthen your faith even more. I can say this from personal experience after recovering 100% from a stroke that I suffered 7 years ago that left me completely paralysed on the left-hand side. The dead spot on my brain was the size of a golfball. This spot has not miraculously disappeared, but I had a full physical recovery and can do everything that I could do before the stroke. As I said in my previous comment, the brain's ability to heal your body is phenominal. In my case, healthy brain cells had to learn to take over the functions of the dead braincells. If I did not have the positive mindset that my faith gave me, the required ensymes that acts as neurotransmitters to enable this learning function would not have been released in my brain and I would probably have still been in a wheelchair today

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:39

      Why this god favour helping sports stars gain an unfair advantage but ignores prayers for rain or help for the starving children in North Africa?

      Bernard - 2012-02-14 13:26

      Marius- a positive mindset is the key, whether its through faith or whatever else.

      pieter.bosch - 2012-02-15 14:17

      Marius i do not believe you, prove that it was the faith that caused the ensymes to be released and it was not a normal biological function.

  • Neil - 2012-02-14 09:15

    @JAcob: Im very happy. the fact that im not hoping or looking forward to an afterlife means that I spend every day as my last. because once it is over, there is probably nothing else. So I am going to enjoy every day I have on this earth. I dont mind people considering their own personal experiences as miracles, but to state it as a medical fact, without even looking into the different variables, is blatantly wrong. I am not a doctor, but I find it totally insulting towards their profession and the hours of study and research that these people devout to their profession. ANd then as soon as somebody makes an unexpected recovery, viola its a miracle. When Schalk Burger injured his spine against Scotland, im sure the majority of Doctors would have advised him against playing contact sport again. But through hard work, expert medical care, and physical attributes related to his DNA, he is still playing. Butch James another case. 5 serious knee operations. most people would not be allowed to play contact sport after one. @Al, Christians (like most religions)are not content in their faith and wish to spread their dogmatic irrational beliefs to all facets of our lives. from abortion, to marriage, education. If faith was just a private thing, I and the rest of the secular humanists would not be out defending our civic space from the encroachment of bronze age fairy tales. if you chose to believe in god great, but if you think your beliefs should define our laws, and scientific

      Stephen - 2012-02-14 09:49

      I assume you meant to say voila and not viola? I'll assume you got het up during your tirade and missed that one. Have a great day and God Bless.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:43

      @Neil The promise of the invisible god for eternal life is very persuasive but I prefer the Papua New Guinean mud god, Pikkiwoki. He promises a pig and as many coconuts as you can carry.

      Al - 2012-02-14 13:45

      @Neil: I disagree with your comment that we are not content in our faith. We are. No ifs and butts. We follow biblical principles regarding life, abortion, marriage and education I agree with that. Just take a look at the lives of people who do not and where their lives are void of these principles. It’s pretty messy. But, we don’t force this on anyone. I for one have not seen anyone being persecuted in this Country for not following these beliefs. Are you? Faith is a private thing, why would you think it is not? It is not mandatory anywhere in this Country. Mate, you are entitled to your own beliefs, I am not trying to force anything on you and neither is anyone else. If they are I would take a judgement out against them for stalking or something like that. Seriously guy, you are making too big a deal out of this - based on your comments it really sounds to me like you are being forced at gunpoint into a religious sect. This view must be tiring. Let it go mate.

      Dirk - 2012-02-14 18:14

      You sure can live without Jesus, but I pity the one who dies without Him. FRED- I see countless miracles and even if I share them with you, you will trample on them- its casting pearls before the swine. Despite all the advice, you are yet to find out what a Christian is- not according to mans claims, but according to Gods word.

  • Benmica - 2012-02-14 09:15

    All the best..............play it and keep safe. Long and healthy life...

  • hc12345 - 2012-02-14 09:20

    We serve a great God!!

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:32

      Bollocks! You are a slave to clever and powerful people who exploit you.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:44

      Or you are an exploiter of very gullible people.

      Flemjob - 2012-02-14 13:33

      Yes he is awesome. Children are starving right now and women are being raped. Yet this bloke gets to continue playing rugby. What makes him so special? Money.

      Dirk - 2012-02-14 18:17

      The consequences of sin. The Bible says so and it is about to get a lot worse.

  • Neil - 2012-02-14 09:21

    cont... understanding of the world, then badly written fairy tale from a few thousand years ago will not suffice. But Back to facts... there is no evidence of a miracle in this situation, and to assert that just from the personal experience of a player (with no medical evidence) is spurious. In fact large double and triple blind prayer studies organized by the templeton foundation ( A religious foundation, which tried to suppress the findings) showed that prayer can actually have a negative affect on recoveries of individuals after serious and life threatening injuries and illnesses. " There once was a time when all people believed in god and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages!" - Richard Lederer

      Dewald - 2012-02-14 09:48

      Neil 1. You don't know God 2. You don't know Schalk 3. You are no Dr. Thats gives you no credibility to voice your opinion about things you know NOTHING about. Learn to know God and his miracles, then you can say that it was not a miracle. Become a Dr then you can give your medical opinion. In the meanwhile, keep believing in nothing and enjoy your dull life.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:53

      @Dewald Who says we know nothing about the thousands of gods worshiped by humans since the dawn of recorded time. And the 30000 + cults based on all kinds of version and interpretations of christinanity. Don't come with you superior attitude here because you will not get away with it. In fact atheists know more about religion than believers - http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/09/28/survey-atheists-know-more-about-religion-than-believers/ You see we actually study more than one 2000 year old book of myths. There are 19 major religions in the world that almost 75% of the world believes in. Only one of those 19 can be the correct path toward eternal life. That means you only have a 5.26% chance of getting it right. How can ypu put so much faith in your religion when the odds are so low? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups#Largest_religions_or_belief_systems_by_number_of_adherents "Suppose what if you have chosen the wrong god. Every time we go to church we're just making him madder and madder." - Homer Simpson

      Mark - 2012-02-15 06:33

      Hey Fred... thank you for your input. I really appreciated reading and following the thread of your comments. You have your finger on the pulse.

  • Merven - 2012-02-14 09:24

    Hopefully prayer will help getting rid of the pink Bulls Jersey.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 13:02

      Xians like being seen conversing with their deity...gives them an air of piety to brandish around.

  • Neil - 2012-02-14 10:03

    @Dewald: I can actually read the Bible in its Original Hebrew form, and have studied it since the age of 6. If you can read the old and new testament and not see and admit that it is not the work of man, then you are delusional. If you want to claim that you know god and his "word" read the bible in hebrew, so you can at least understand it in its original form. with regards to Schalks injury: its very easy to find information on its seriousness here we go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_union/international/5096410.stm And yes, I may be no doctor. but I know enough about serious injuries to realize how amazing modern medical science is. I was told I would never be able to run again, after my knee cap (patella) was shattered playing rugby. I Went to three specialists, all said the same thing. I would have limited movement, and never be able to walk without a limp, and severe pain. I travelled overseas to see a specialist, who was doing an experimental procedure with stem cells (something the church tried to ban) He basically grew me new cartilage. I am now able to run, walk normally and play rugby again.. A miracle? No! scientific innovation ? Yes! Dont assume that I dont know about religion or god just because I think they are made up fairytales.

      Dewald - 2012-02-14 10:12

      Neil, Neil, Neil. It's a believe in your heart that you know that God is true, not a word on paper. Did your studies tell you nothing? Where do you think the Dr's get the power from for all the scientific innovation. God give's you the power. Thanks Neil, over and out.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:34

      Dewald You are talking nonsense You cannot prove that your god exists, You cannot know for certain that your revelation is trust worthy and you have to eventually admit that your beliefs are entirely a faith position, unsupported by any evidence whatsover. You believe because others told you what to believe. You may claim the contrary, but then you are simply speaking from within a deep seated delusion. 1. Prove that gods exist, 2. prove that your version of your particular god is the 'right' one, 3. prove that Jesus Christ existed, 4. prove that he was the son of your version of your particular god, I am genuinely excited awaiting your response. Now don't run away from the challenge. Waiting ................

      richard.vonschumann - 2012-02-14 12:45

      Hi Neil, I find your comments quite disturbing. You are a sad person who needs to find God. I congratulate you on reading the Bible in its original form and of course it was written by humans, but the lessons are from God! You obviously didn't read it properly then. The abilities that you possess are granted by God. The way Schalk believes that he was healed is a miracle because it brings him closer to GOD. One day you should seek to have a relationship with God or you will spend some time in a very hot place. I will pray for you my friend!

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:58

      @richard.vonschumann Oh! Another one. Please explain where I can find this invisible sky daddy. Perhaps you can respond to the questions posed the Dewald. Arguments are not evidence. Arguments need evidence. Arguments are what people fall back on when they have no evidence. No matter how eloquent, elaborate or simply long-winded an argument is, if it has no acceptable evidence at its foundation, then it’s just verbiage. Acceptable evidence is three-dimensional and has mass. It requires no mystical knowledge or ability, and it can be observed by anyone using at least one of the five senses. Show the evidence please. Waiting .............................

      Fred - 2012-02-14 14:09

      @richard.vonschumann Xians like being seen conversing with their deity...gives them an air of piety to brandish around. Problem is Richard that the god you worship does not approve of your prayer. When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. - Matthew 6:5 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. - Matthew 6:6 Read your Wholly Buybull sometime.

      Dirk - 2012-02-14 18:20

      Fred- you have obviously not taken my previous advice- seek urgent help

      Richard Von Schumann - 2012-02-14 21:34

      Hi Fred, It is called faith. Which is Believing in something even though you can't see it, touch it or smell it. You don't need to touch Jesus for Him to touch you!

  • Elsabe - 2012-02-14 10:36

    The world would be a better place if more people believe in miracles.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 12:36

      Pathetic. Did you know that you can today claim $1 million for proving a single miracle. Just one. Prove any supernatural occurance. Google James Randi Foundation and look for the challenge.

  • Julian - 2012-02-14 10:58

    You keep chasing rainbows & butterflies Mr Ferreira..

  • Kevin - 2012-02-14 14:26

    @Neil both Butch and Schalk are christians just a thought

  • Bootman - 2012-02-14 14:30

    Whats wrong with you white people? How can you say that God doesnt exist?Then you wanna call us K*****s.

      Fred - 2012-02-14 15:30

      Because he is a white man's god, invented by white man and sold to you guys along with beads and other trading goods. I don't honestly know why you fell for it as you had superstitious beliefs of your own,

      pieter.bosch - 2012-02-14 16:16

      Bootman that term was used by so-called white Christians (Afrikaner and English) in a derogatory manner for Black people. It stems from their superiour feelings (racist) that they believe in the correct God and that people that did not are inferior. For atheists (any colour or nationality) that term is absolete and have no true meaning because it implies a believe in God if you try to use it in a derogatory sense.

      steyts - 2012-02-14 22:35

      So it is the white man's fault again.. And Christianity is only for whites then?? But atheism is for everyone?? What a pathetic argument!! Some of the most devout Christians are black people..

      pieter.bosch - 2012-02-15 13:53

      steyts you like to misread and then make your own interpretation, you as well as me know well that it is not possible (maybe?) for a black christian or any black person to use the word k.....r... in a derogatory manner and that it was mostly used by white people, including white christians. Don't be in denial. Furthermore i have not said or ever implied that a black person cannot be a Christian !! but then again it appears to be the norm that some Christians are able and willing to lie on this forum. Yip bend the facts to suit their dogma.

  • steyts - 2012-02-14 16:18

    I thought this was supposed to be part of the sports section. Reading the article and the comments below I am sure this belongs in the religion section where everyone has a go at any Christian who just want to wish a fellow Christian good luck with his second chance at doing what he loves. I find it terribly disrespectful!! Not all Christians attack other religions so leave us alone!! Be happy for the guy!! Christianity is a belief just like the other religions including evolution (Macro not micro) which is based on very little fact that can be proven scientifically. That is why evolution is still a theory and not a fact... Anyway, hopefully the rest of the sport is not a religious banter...

      pieter.bosch - 2012-02-14 18:50

      Steyts religous freedom also means freedom from religion so if anything religous is published in a secular newspaper or any media we have the right to say we do not agree. Print your religous miracles in your church newspaper if you do not want any reaction.

      steyts - 2012-02-14 22:31

      Fair enough... But just to be sure then, Christians aren't allowed to say anything but all other religions including people believing in nothing can say what they want??

      pieter.bosch - 2012-02-15 13:42

      No steyts at no point did i say any religion is not allowed to make a comment. I said if you publish in an open secular medium then we are allowed to comment if we dont agree. Cowboys don't cry.

  • Mark - 2012-02-15 07:14

    This healing of Ferreira's neck is impressive. Hard work, positive attitude and lot of luck. Good for him. How this relates to his pray and his god however confuses me.... In 1982, some ten miles from where Ferreira now hopes to play rugby with WP, I stood in a massive squatter camp - terrible living conditions, deject of any hope - now 30 years later i returned, january 2012, i took a helicopter and flew over the cape flats and the same camp, i then drove through it. It has grown, still same terrible living conditions; little has changed except the magnitude. Maybe Ferreira's god is too busy watching rugby? Maybe Ferreira is singularly more important to god than the tens of thousands who suffer daily in the cape squatter camps, for the last 30 years? Man I love Rugby, but i am so irritated when god chooses a team (see the guys praying before the game) and particularly when god chooses a player (see Ferreira praying again).... but most of all I hate god when he chooses rugby over the tens of thousands suffering in the squatter camps...

  • richard.joffe - 2012-02-15 13:32

    Whatever ever happened to those two brother props that played for wp ruaan and jp smith heard they were future springsboks their parents immigrated to australia but they stayed to play here anyone no?

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