News24

No grudge held against Bees

2010-08-29 16:05

Herman Scholtz

Pretoria – The brother of sergeant Johannes Mogale, the Metro police officer from Tshwane who died on Friday night, has said his family does not bear a grudge against Blue Bull prop Bees Roux.

The family also believed that speculations about racism in the role of his death were inappropriate.

Alfred Mogale spoke to Rapport on Saturday. At the time, Roux, 28, was still being held in a police cell in Sunnyside after he apparently assaulted Mogale, 38, so severely that he died of his injuries.

Roux was allegedly drunk during the incident.

Mogale's family still had many questions about the incident.

"The only person who really knows what happened there, is dead," said Alfred Mogale.

The Roux family was also still coming to terms with the incident. They were planning on travelling from Prieska in the Northern Cape, where they stay, to Pretoria on Sunday to support the rugby player, said a source close to the family. 

"It is a very difficult time for Roux. He is not alone in the cell, but it is safe."

A family member who answered the telephone on Saturday said "all the newspapers are spinning the same story, but it is actually quite the opposite."

She then ended the call.

Roux's girlfriend, Karien du Toit, said Roux "wouldn't even hurt a fly". She visited him  briefly in his cell along with his agent, James Adams.

According to Dikeledi Leboye, mayoral committee member for community safety in Tshwane, sergeant Mogale and two other metro police members had pulled Roux off the N4 near Hatfield as they suspected he was drunk.

Sergeant Mogale got in behind the steering wheel to drive him home and a row ensued.

An eyewitness said Roux had repeatedly hit Mogale and thrown him on the road. Roux apparently shouted: "You thief! You want to steal my car!"

Alfred Mogale said the family didn't understand where the two other Metro police officers fit into the picture. Leboye said they were still too traumatised to talk about the incident.

Rapport

Comments
  • t van graaff - 2010-08-29 19:26

    i think there is more to this story. why do people always think the cops are angels.

  • Tyrone - 2010-08-29 20:44

    I don't think anyone, including you, should be jumping to conclusions... Your comment is as bad as those made by the "people" you're referring to. At this point no-one can be accused of guilt or innocence.

  • OneTime - 2010-08-29 21:05

    This is a sad day for Bees and Officer Mogale. The truth must come out.

  • THE PUNISHER - 2010-08-29 21:17

    This whole story could be 2 innocent guys in the middle of this whole crime spree in SA. Bees might have been drunk, yes. Johannes Mogale might have been 1 of the few proud Metro cops just doing his work. And above that, he might have decided to take Bees to his home safely. Due to the ANC allowing all these other trash metro cops to hijack people left, right and center, Bees might have thought it was indeed a hijacker. So he protected his property by law. I really hope that this is what happened. Beed did not plan to kill anybody that night. Johannes Mogale probably tried to do a good deed. A very sad incident after all. It's time black and white take hands against the ANC trash and unite SA. That is the only way SA will ever survive

  • Murf the Surf - 2010-08-29 21:41

    that last sentence above ought to have said it is dangerous to speculate without all of the facts and under the circumstances we should just let the law take it's course

  • Ed - 2010-08-29 21:49

    The point of this whole incident is that someone lost their live. What needs to be investigated is why it happened. What everyone else is saying here does not matter, except to reveal where their colours are nailed on the South African mast. Someone has died, and we need to find out why.

  • Horacio Caine - 2010-08-29 22:21

    Where were the 2 "other" officers? Don't Metro cops carry guns? Couldn't they help their partner? "Too traumatised to talk". Rubbish, they were suppose to be with him but were busy elsewhere. Can't wait for the truth to emerge.

  • Colin Campbell - 2010-08-30 09:17

    This is a very sad day indeed. I feel and agree with Ed that the point is that SOMEONE died and we need to find out why. We can all speculate what happened and we can all judge both the dead officer and Bees, but it'll only be speculation and not the truth. One funny thing about Truth is that it will eventually come out. Lets all wait for that before we make a whole conspiracy theory! To the family and friends of the officer's family I give you my condolences and prayers. To the family and friends of Bees I give you my prayers. This is just a reminder how dangerous police officers' jobs are and how quickly something as bad as this can happen to anyone and at anytime. Please take care out there people.

  • abuse power - 2010-08-30 09:48

    ....and the Metro Cops are definately NOT angels... ...they, the cops, usually abuse their "power".... .....especially with women...

  • Dronkie - 2010-08-30 10:44

    I agree with the Punisher - strongs to Bees and Mogale's family

  • Investigation please! - 2010-08-30 11:01

    My condolences to the Mogales. BUT: 1) the police didn't follow protocol. Where were the other two policeman? Why was there no patrol vehicle following the polo?...That they were apparently too traumatized to speak, tells us that something is very strange and needs investigation...........................2) Secondly, how clever is it to get into a car with a 120Kg drunk man?.................3) If Bees was behind the steering wheel, how did Mogale force him into the passenger seat? If they say that he was driving?....................................This is a totally unnecessary incident, and I feel that Bees will never drink alcohol again, if he was drunk. But it is easy to see that the police are very inept and a very good example of WHY THEY SHOULD FOLLOW PROTOCOL AT ALL TIMES!!!

  • wilma - 2010-08-30 12:52

    I think people must first hear what happened and with all these blue light highjacking incidents happening on the highways and especially Pretoria area this could have been a situation that Bess found himself in suspecting he was about to be highjacked...after reading that he was shouting (you want to steal my car) as per a witness. Lets hope he gets a fair trial. God bless and strength to him and hhis family

  • hijacked - 2010-08-30 14:54

    ...Bees Roux thought he had been hijacked, because we live in the crime capital of the world... ...thanks to our crime-friendly government...

  • henrico - 2010-08-30 15:21

    I think this is sad thing to happen to both the families,havent said that i think we must allow the law to take its course.I think it is time to be pointing fingers when a person lost their life.

  • S Leonard - 2010-08-30 16:27

    Sounds to me like there may be a case of "officers" trying to steal a car - thats why the other two are not "able" to talk. Maybe the "police" have been caught out doing something illegal ??? Makes you wonder. Lets hope the truth - either way, prevails !!!

  • TPost - 2010-08-30 16:28

    Guys someone died and not only through a gun or some lithal weapon which we may agrue as self defence but fists of rage, one or two punches would have done it but killing that is way more than self defence. I hope that Bees gets what he deserves you can't just beat a man to death. He is a brutal man I wonder how many times he did this before.

  • like nooit hey - 2010-08-30 16:53

    Why don't you morons stop swallowing everything printed by this supposed journalist? I don't see any proven facts here, and many of you seem to falling for this speculation-driven journalism. Wait for the law to run its course and then form an opinion...

  • Mark - 2010-08-30 17:43

    So the mayoral committee member says the 3 metro officers pulled Bees over... Where were the other two when their colleague was being beaten to death? Why did they arrive on the scene only after the paramedics? And why were they allowed to go home for two whole days before being required to answer questions? And if someone now claims that they concocted a story in that time? What of the doubt that could be cast on their version of events and how it could undermine a murder charge? No people, epic fail in terms of required procedure. And for those who 'support' Bees or are having a go at the faceless bureaucrats who couldn't care a rat's behind about them, Bees or Officer Mogale on any other day: wake up. He killed a man with his bare hands, beat him to death, dropped him on his head on a tar road and apparently even stomped on the guy's head... Self-defence? Pull the other one.

  • Nglome - 2010-08-30 17:45

    Always two sides to a story. Fact remains, drunk driver vs. corrupt cops? let's wait & see the outcome.

  • Mark - 2010-08-30 17:56

    So the mayoral committee member says the 3 metro officers pulled Bees over... Where were the other two when their colleague was being beaten to death? Why did they arrive on the scene only after the paramedics? And why were they allowed to go home for two whole days before being required to answer questions? And if someone now claims that they concocted a story in that time? What of the doubt that could be cast on their version of events and how it could undermine a murder charge? No people, epic fail in terms of required procedure. And for those who 'support' Bees or are having a go at the faceless bureaucrats who couldn't care a rat's behind about them, Bees or Officer Mogale on any other day: wake up. He killed a man with his bare hands, beat him to death, dropped him on his head on a tar road and apparently even stomped on the guy's head... Self-defence? Pull the other one.

  • @S Leonard8/30/2010 4:27 PM - 2010-08-30 18:28

    The truth will definitely come out, Bees was drunk, and what I cannot understand is this "why did the other 2 Metro cops stand back and watch one of theirs be beaten to death by a drunk person"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something does not add up to this story.

  • TRUTH-PLEASE - 2010-08-30 18:43

    This is a very sad and strange event to occur to both the victim and the suspect. Our condolences to the bereaved family. When I first heard about the story, I couldn't stop but asked myself why the police officer was alone on the scene. Now that more information is coming out (if it is true), how can one individual drunk or not drunk assault or even kill one police officer infront of two other police officers and they do nothing? May be I am too dumb. But as a matter of fact it sounds like the police officer did not kill himself. If the accused did indeed kill the police officer infront of the other two officers, then they must all be charged with the accused, end of story.

  • Swen - 2010-08-30 19:04

    How far will each of us go to defend our property and life - intoxicated or not? How far can the long arm of the law reach out to defend the rights of the guilty or innocent? Please, do not judge anything without first considering your own personal values, together with the rights and values of those that you appose. Let the truth speak for itself - in a court of law.

  • sickofcrime - 2010-08-30 20:56

    Lots of judgements flying around ! I will just say , if I am confronted and my life is in danger , I will use everything to my disposal to defend myself - so It makes me wonder why the Policeman did not just shoot Bees with his service gun , which was on his side .Secondly Why was he and Bess alone ? Why did Bees feel his life was in danger and he needed to defend himself ? There are lots of unanswered question . Will we ever get the truth ?

  • Isabel - 2010-08-31 08:32

    was this another case of corrupt officials taking law in their own hands and wanting to take what they want? They are spinning a story just because Bees is a celebrety. The truth will come out. I am NOT A BLUE BULL SUPPORTER, but does believe in justice. Strongs Bees!

  • Ian - 2010-08-31 09:13

    Ok...Someone died..it's sad, really sad.....When I first heard the story, I felt like shooting Bees, I had all sorts of emotions....I'm a black guy and obviously I started thinking about racism and all that but....I sat down and cleared everything in my head.....I had this questions...1.If Bees was drunk, they could've arrested him, simple..Why didn't they?...2. Where was mogale going with Bees?..3. Why didn't the other 2 oficers follow Bees' car?...4. who used Bees' credit card at McDonalds that very same night?..5.Drunk or not, why did Bees react the way he did?..What pushed him to that rage?.....Pretoria metro cops are crooks who takes bribes everyday, I have a friend who is a metro police officer, he takes home around R3500 everyday on bribes from motorists, obviously they'll pay them bribes to avoid going to jail..... So, before we persecute and judge Bees, we must be careful of drawing the wrong conclusions.....unfortunately Mogale won't be around to answer for himself....Bees deserves to be heard as well....I don't condone what he did but let's stop with the name calling and judgements..

  • kilokilo - 2010-08-31 13:08

    Mac Donalds have CCTV in all there shops I bet we see two Metro Cops grabbing a big Mac while the third cop was keeping Bees busy, check the tapes thats if they have not been stolen! on misplaced. the two other metro officers had the whole weekend to cover there tracks.

  • Apple - 2010-08-31 14:03

    I sober man would have stopped after two punches as opposed to a drunk man who continued to hit until there was no life left. Bees must pay the penalty for killing a person, unfortunately self defence has boundaries and a sober man could have stopped the beating. But I agree, someting is fishy here, why are the two cops traumatised because they only saw the lifeless body. they must just justify as to why they were not able to stop Bees

  • Howdy - 2010-08-31 16:49

    There are two (perhaps 3) sides to this story. Bees must have been very drunk for the cops to suspect that he was drunk. Bees could not have been so drunk that he could murder Mogale? Something stinks. I think Bees had pretty good reason to think that they wanted to steal his car! They gave him reason!!! They stole his credit card and used it.

  • Leeutjie - 2010-08-31 18:37

    "The brother of sergeant Johannes Mogale, the Metro police officer from Tshwane who died on Friday night, has said his family does not bear a grudge against Blue Bull prop Bees Roux. " Then he comes to court and behave like a real black african. Promising to get Bees's mother. Slapgat, take Bees on if you have any backbone. Your brother tried, maybe you can do better. Five of you will probably take on the two old people. Spineless jerks.

  • Tjomma - 2010-09-01 16:35

    Sterk wees Bees, ons almal bid vir jou. Hierdie saak het 2 kante en ek Glo dat daar "more to it is" as wat bekend is op die oomblik. Jy is nie in staat tot so iets nie - ons almal weet dit!

  • bs - 2010-09-02 20:02

    OK for those of u people who don't know bees , i went to school with him and he is a hard working honest man that has nothing but love for people and friends , i have never seen him hurt anyone except when i played rugby against him , man what a great competitor, any way, if we look at the facts what else could this be than a robbery gone wrong, the dirty cops picked on the wrong guy, there are plenty of great cops in SA and then there are a few bad apples though and that day they just messed with the wrong guy , 1. why did they not cuff bees , 2. why was bees not in the cop car, 3 why was he not taken to the nearest police station , 4. where was the other two cops " some backup they were "5. who used his credit card at the fast food restaurant , for those of u who are in such a hurry to hang bees out to dry have u ever been in a situation where ur live was in danger probably not i would say, i really hope that a real cop would look into this case and get us the answers so another great man does not get punished because of a corrupt government officers , it sure would be nice to get to the truth Bees my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family and i will hope for the best.

  • pages:
  • 1
Report Comment