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Naas: Keep Div in Bok plans

2012-01-18 08:58

Cape Town - Peter de Villiers's experience is too valuable for him to be summarily discarded as a member of the Springbok coaching panel, believes former Bok flyhalf Naas Botha, who told the Eye Witness News website that he saw no reason why De Villiers could not stay on.

The South African Rugby Union (SARU) will announce the name of the new Springbok coach on January 27, with Bulls Director of Rugby Heyneke Meyer and Ireland forwards coach Gert Smal the frontrunners.

SARU Chief Executive Officer Jurie Roux said late last year that De Villiers would be on the shortlist of "preferred candidates" as the incumbent Springbok coach.

"I would keep Peter as part of the team, because he must have learnt quite a number of things in the four years that he's been there," Botha said.

"You can't just discard all that experience."

Botha added that the next coach must learn from the mistakes of the past.

"I think we've made mistakes. Nick (Mallett) made a mistake when he fired Gary Teichmann before the 1999 World Cup. When you select a Springbok side, do yourself a favour, pick the guys who are in form and that's the end of it."

 

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  • Lionel - 2012-01-18 09:06

    Look ,Divvy did succeed in a few things which other coaches did not but if he is not head coach then he must not be in the Bok set up at all!!!! My wish as a coaching team would be Meyer(head coach),Os(forwards)Paul Treu(backs)Rassie(technical advisor)

      Ruggad - 2012-01-18 09:20

      Love your line-up, especially Paul Treu, it'll bring out the flair element in the backs.

      Corné - 2012-01-18 09:42

      What exactly did Divvy succeed in? And dont mention the Lions Tour because we all know he was still riding on Jake's success

      Dean - 2012-01-18 09:45

      Yup! Great line up!

      sorryson3 - 2012-01-18 09:49

      Maybe what we need is a STERILE OUTSIDER who will take up the National coaching job totally free of SA's political baggage who can set about his job safe in the knowledge that he has FREE REIGN to bring together highly skilled and disciplined coaches to take our best players to another level altogether. To quote Jim Telfer ( Scotland & British Lions coach ) " Lads, there are two types of rugby players, you get the honest ones........and you get the rest !! ". Is this not applicable to our South African ADMINISTRATORS and COACHES aswell ??

      Willie - 2012-01-18 09:49

      "You can't just discard all that experience." Naas you of all people should have your damn head read!!! The man relied on all the experience (including senior players) around him to stay in the job. Give the job to the best man! Nowhere in business (lets face it int rugby is big business) do you appoint someone to the top position to "learn'. Its about time that we as South Africans become mature enough to realise that 2nd best is not going to get you to the top! He had his chance....he stuffed it up (RWC 2011) so move on and get a more qualified coach. Ps Graham Henry is available.

      Lionel - 2012-01-18 10:20

      Corne,we won the Tri Nations,we beat the All Blacks at Dunedin which no other coach has been able to do,don't get me wrong Im not covering for the guy!!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2012-01-18 11:32

      Naas is such a political sellout. Him and Bobby Skinstad just say what pleases their Masters.

      Selma - 2012-01-18 11:51

      What about Mitchell? One cannot blame De Villiers for the WC fiasco. Blame the captain who denied Steyn the opportunity to dropkick in front of the posts. Smith may try and convince himself he did not leave any points out there.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-18 13:07

      Naas has been drinking.

      Tom - 2012-01-18 17:33

      I would make him my media liaison....for the humour

  • Peter - 2012-01-18 09:09

    NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Pierre - 2012-01-18 09:42

      Ahmm, you seem to have that sticky "spilled red wine on the keyboard" problem.

      Selma - 2012-01-18 11:54

      I miss his colourful directly translated English. He deserves a second chance.

      Squeegee - 2012-01-18 13:08

      Selma - from what alien language was he translating? Idioteneese? Definitely not Afrikaans.

      Sean - 2012-01-18 13:50

      Div did nothing , Saru did a clever thing to give him the job then because they new Jake`s team was like a well oiled engine !! You do the maths !

  • Tokozaan - 2012-01-18 09:13

    Darn! So no more Divvy on Jacaranda Rugby Panel :(

  • MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-01-18 09:20

    Ok so Naas says that a coach who took a team from World Champs to 1/4 Final Losers, and someone who took the number 1 ranked team to number 4, should be involved in Bokke rugby still???? I don't think so!!!!!

      Pierre - 2012-01-18 09:46

      Mate we just had very stiff opposition in the 1/4 finals. That Nz number 16 with his poison whistle was quite in form for Australia.

      MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-01-18 09:56

      I agree we had a tough task, however we had the most experienced Bok side ever against a fairly young ozzie side, I think that Bok side was the most experienced test rugby side ever(I stand to be corrected).

      Piet - 2012-01-18 11:06

      Naas been sitting next to a pot smoker.........

      Neville - 2012-01-18 21:47

      ...."we had the most experienced Bok side....". They dominated every aspect of the game (which tells me there was nothing wrong with game plan), yet they lost. Maybe they were just not "mentally" experienced. however they lost. I think we should GET OVER it now, don't you?

  • sorryson3 - 2012-01-18 09:22

    Naas Botha is living proof that HINDSIGHT IS AN EXACT SCIENCE ! If you choose to listen to his game analysis and commentary he is exellent at stating the obvious, a true fossil in the modern game. He is a Springbok Legend for sure, but must realise it's time to opt out of the upper echelons of the game. Maybe rather concentrate on kicking coaching at Waterkloof !! Take Div along aswell, the two of them will be useful to the school's cause but definitely not the National cause of Springbok rugby !!!!!

  • Peter - 2012-01-18 09:23

    Einaaaaaa, boktjol, nooooo. Based on his world cup performance he should not.

  • philip.spies - 2012-01-18 09:34

    Maybe someone should investigate whether Naas received money from Aus/NZ. I'm sure they wouldn't mind if Divvy is kept as coach...

  • Bulldozer - 2012-01-18 09:35

    Stuur hom WP toe. Hy sal mooi inpas daar.

      Saffa - 2012-01-18 10:22

      Dozey, I reckon Divvy would be a pretty good S15 coach - the man is certainly not as useless as what many make him out to be. I just want to know if Heyneke 'who can walk on water and do no wrong' Meyer will receive the same bashing and smashing if he doesn't enjoy success with the Boks? It did take him 5 years to bring success to the Bulls.......Just asking?

      Marcell - 2012-01-18 10:44

      Make him the ball boy. Personally I think Meyer would be an idiot to take the job. Same as Gary Kirsten. You're on your way to a hiding anyway you see it. At the Bulls he had full say in the selection of his team. We know it will not be like that with the Proteas.

      Saffa - 2012-01-18 10:52

      @Marcell - for once I agree with you. Heyneke is sitting with his backside in the butter in the safety of Pretoria. He is idolised by the residents, and can do no wrong. He is in full control and is given 100% control. He has no pressure from clubs in the union (I think the BBRFU has something like 10 clubs), and he gets to work in an environment that suits him: conservative, family orientated etc. As Bok coach, he has to ditch the fantasy life for a HARSH dose of REALITY. Can he survive that?

      Van - 2012-01-19 00:38

      @Saffa: Winning a super trophy is a Stormer fantasy :) For the Bulls and Heyneke it is a reality. Why go and look for trouble, everyday bring enough of it's own. Jake White won the WC as coach but most Bok supporters hate his guts? Why do you want that in life?

  • Steenbra - 2012-01-18 09:47

    But I thought all okes said that Div was just a figurehead and that the senior players were coaching the team! And the senior players then failed didnt they and now you claim Div failed. It doenst make sense. Sure he made many stupid comments in the press. I also remember people asking for Jake to be part of the setup post 2007.. And as for Os to be the forwards coach, scrum coach yes, but forwards..no. Gert for me as head coach.

      sorryson3 - 2012-01-18 10:59

      Dick Muir & Gary Gold ?????

  • Stef - 2012-01-18 09:57

    Wow Mr. Naas, really?..........on the other hand, maybe you should become his assistant Bok coach then......I'm sure your frustration with Pdivvy will boil over sooner or later!. I took note of your utter disgraceful attitude and anti-social behaviour at a fund raiser event in PE at the end of last year, you should be ashamed of yourself. Now pi$$-off!!.

  • Pierre - 2012-01-18 10:01

    Yip I agree completely with Naas, but Div is not a specialist coach; he needs to be the head coach. Div did get an excellent team to the World Cup; I honestly think we were to team to beat and it was just a bit unfortunate that BL came with his own set of rules. I respect Gert Small a lot, but he always had a big thinker with him like Carl du Plessis and Jake White. I will put Small as forwards coach. Heyneke Meyer and Rassie Erasmus are the only other options for head coach in my opinion, but both of them, especially Meyer, are not media people. Unfortunately we do not only need to combat opposition players, but also our own SA media which is more often than not our biggest obstacle. But in short for head coach PDiv, Erasmus or Meyer in that order.

  • Gerhard - 2012-01-18 10:17

    Naas, I get the feeling you are trying to score brownie points with somebody. Divvy had his time. He accomplished NOTHING. Time for him to move on. If SARU wanted to keep experience and knowledge after firing a coach, they should have kept Jake White. He knew how to build a team and that is what we need now. We need to build again with an experienced coach with rugby knowledge. I would go with Heineke Meyer and without any foolish input from a certain Mr. De Villiers.

      Pierre - 2012-01-18 10:39

      Ok, let me see. “Nothing” means; a 1ste ever win in Dunedin, a Tri-nations win, odd 63% winning rate, a British-Irish Lions tour victory and a very “inform” team at the WC. Interesting, not many SA coaches can claim close to that.

      Marcell - 2012-01-18 10:48

      Every other coach did not had the privvy to play against the British Lions.

      Staal - 2012-01-18 11:10

      @Pierre - given the talent, experience, squad stability and starting position of Springbok rugby in 2007 and during the following 4 year period those results are not good enough. And as Marcell says, not all coaches play against the B&IL. And we won the Tri-Nations, still a good achievement I admit, when the ABs were really struggling and rule interpretations went our way 100%. The following year? Wooden spoon. If you cherry pick I am sure you can paint a rosy picture but in context the Boks performed sbu-par for the past 4 years.

      Deon - 2012-01-18 17:42

      @ pierre, No not manyother coaches can rest on those laurels They Would have achieved a lot better results cos they would have used their personnel better during matches.........

      Pierre - 2012-01-19 02:19

      @ Staal and Deon: Not every coach had a chance to play the Lions, but Div had that challenge and succeeded, while quite a few coaches did not succeed. Then nothing of what I said was cherry picking. I mentioned Div’s full set of accomplishments in the 4 years and you are welcome to compare that to the full set of accomplishments of any other SA coach. The rule interpretations mentioned is just ludicrous. There was not a year when the rules favoured SA 100%, but there were years that the rules did not favour SA, especially around the breakdowns in 2008 for example. I think you are the one cherry picking; taking facts you like and ignoring the facts you don’t like. (I can also say the draw favoured White in 2007.) Then you mention personnel. The fact that many players from 2007 stayed on was not just lucky for Div. It was hard work and a deliberate choice on his part to keep these players. We had a stable and experienced squad, but that was because of Div’s doing not despite. Most other SA coaches would have opted for a new young team; building from scratch. SA likes to have a new team every 2 years. Div was the first coach in a long line that broke with that thinking. Give Div the credit he deserves.

  • Chris - 2012-01-18 10:20

    Naas ..... what are you smoking? I would have thought that of all the people in the South African rugby fraternity, you would have most clearly seen how utterly inadequate de Villiers was as the national coach .... There've been times during his tenure when he's made the Springboks the laughing stock of world rugby. Where were you then, Naas?

  • Jimmy - 2012-01-18 11:13

    Naas is losing the plot these days....me thinks.

      Heinrich - 2012-01-18 12:52

      me thinks you are right

  • Jesse - 2012-01-18 11:26

    Firstly, I think Naas was gesuip and Secondly, PDV did not achieve what other coaches could'nt. The Team did that!

      Soetdoring - 2012-01-18 13:53

      There is actually merit in what Naas said. Do we remember Zola Yeye in the days of Jake White? He was put there by the government to "keep an eye on White". He was the link between Jake and the Sport minister, except that he openly disliked Jake and never gave fair feedback to the minister. I think this is a role Snor can fill 100%. He can at least say been there done that and it appears he enjoys support from the powers higher up.

  • Bill - 2012-01-18 11:32

    Snorre for public relations officer for the Boks! He will confuse every oponent and have them laughing while the Bokke win.

      Selma - 2012-01-18 11:55

      At least he is intertaining compared to the other uptight coaches with their predictable statements. Div has heart.

  • Shaun - 2012-01-18 11:45

    If divvy gets the job, I'm not even going to watch the boks play. On the upside there will be plenty more hilarious comments to the press.

      bfvillet - 2012-01-18 12:12

      please dont

  • Thabiso Snowby Bokwe - 2012-01-18 11:50

    OK, who spiked Naas Botha's drink? Own up!

  • bfvillet - 2012-01-18 12:11

    please not meyer he wont be able to buy a bok team like they do at the bulls its time for foreign influence or at least someone who has all the experience like gert small, probably a lot of bulls supporters pushing for meyer dont you realise your game is dated and on the wane.This man has coached what international or national teamsTHE BULLS please the boks dont compete in super rugby Naas probably realises how unprepared the man is for this job given his non existant international experience therefore the call for De Villiers to stay on

      Soetdoring - 2012-01-18 13:37

      What a way to display your rugby knowledge. For your info: Heyneke Meyer was the forwards coach (assistant coach called in those days) for the Boks during Nick Malletts 17 successive wins with the Boks. Gert Smal's track record is very poor. Achieved nothing while coaching the Stormers and failed as forward coach with the Boks.

      Neville - 2012-01-18 22:00

      Soetdoring you have to be fair now. His first stint with the Bulls they lost every game, a record that the Lions took away from them 2 seasons ago. It took Rudi Joubert to shake off the "laughing stock" tagg from the Bulls. His BIG sin,however, was selecting Morne Steyn ahead of Derrick Hougaard, so the Bulls as "parent union" ousted him and brought back Meyer and only then he (Meyer) started having success with the Bulls.

  • Patrick - 2012-01-18 12:34

    yea, keep pieter duh villiers!!! every class needs its clown!!

      Neville - 2012-01-18 21:54

      WOW what an isightful comment.

      Patrick - 2012-01-18 22:53

      @neville.. WOW what great spelling!! i s i g h t f u l........ nice

  • Dewald - 2012-01-18 12:52

    Wat he Rassie bereik?

      hc12345 - 2012-01-18 13:50

      Nommer een: Rassie kan spel!!!!

      Kosie - 2012-01-18 15:44

      3 currie cups met cheetahs. in 4 jaar en stormers gevat van laaste op die log na 3de toe in Super rugby

      Kosie - 2012-01-18 15:47

      in 3 jaar... dit het heyneke meyer 5 jaar gevat om die S14 te wen.

  • gregory.f.dean - 2012-01-18 14:55

    Yes, let him carry the bags!

  • George - 2012-01-18 16:30

    Aaghhh nee man Naas! Wat de duiwel drink of rook jy deesdae??

  • Andrew - 2012-01-18 17:33

    Not a bad call Naas if the other front runners are not available right now.We need consistency and stop firing coaches just cause they lost world cups.Graham Henry was kept by the All Blacks even when he lost the 2007 World Cup and just look what happened. In conclusion can we stop with this nasty remarks it says alot about our character.

  • chris83p - 2012-01-18 20:00

    How about John Mitchell "neutral dude" he will bring some Kiwi flair to the backline. Josh Strauss or Schalk for captain

  • AfricanBlueSpaceChrist - 2012-01-19 04:03

    he has gotta stay, not a bad track record and we will miss him if he is not back on za news.

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