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Ludeke, Coetzee turn down Div

2010-09-30 09:00

Johannesburg - The disharmony between Springbok coach Peter de Villiers and his assistants Dick Muir and Gary Gold has reached a crescendo with De Villiers seemingly in a desperate search for new assistants before the Springboks embark on their end-of-year Grand Slam tour.

According to Vata Ngobeni of The Star, even though the South African Rugby Union stated in their press release after De Villiers’s review meeting with his employers this week that the current Springbok management would stay intact for the European tour, it has emerged that De Villiers had gone on a frantic search over the weekend with Bulls coach Frans Ludeke and Western Province coach Allister Coetzee being his main targets.

When asked whether the Springbok coaches’ jobs were safe after Monday’s performance appraisal in Johannesburg, SARU president Oregan Hoskins simply said: “I’m not going to answer that, sorry.”

The absence of a ‘yes’ in his answer points to a number of changes in the offing for the Bok management team before the team head off on their Grand Slam tour in November.

De Villiers had hoped that Ludeke would take over the reigns from Gold as forwards coach while Coetzee would replace Muir as backline coach.

De Villiers contacted the pair over the weekend asking them if they were willing to work alongside him until next year’s Rugby World Cup in New Zealand with Coetzee then taking over as head coach after the tournament.

The problem for De Villiers, though, is that he was unable to guarantee Coetzee and Ludeke jobs post-World Cup and that would have been a major deterrent for both coaches, whose jobs are secured by contracts with their respective unions for the next three years.

However, De Villiers’s flirtations with Ludeke and Coetzee fell flat as both coaches declined to vacate their current positions for one-year contracts that could see them jobless after next year’s spectacle in New Zealand.

“I cannot comment on that. It is a privilege and honour for anyone to be involved with the national team, especially as a South African, but I have a contract with the Bulls until 2013. I can’t say anything more than that,” was Ludeke’s response.

De Villiers and SARU had tried to lure Bulls director of rugby Heyneke Meyer, Stormers director of rugby Rassie Erasmus and former All Blacks and newly-appointed Lions coach John Mitchell as advisors to De Villiers. All three declined.

Meanwhile, the name of Western Province director of coaching Rassie Erasmus has also been mentioned in informed circles as a candidate for the position of SA Under-20 coach, which could be linked to that of a technical director at SARU, but he told Sport24 that he had not applied.

“I’m contracted with WP until 2012. I have not applied,” said Erasmus.

Sport24

Comments
  • rugbyguy - 2010-09-30 09:16

    Does PdV really think any of these guys want to work under him? Reality check! It would be like Master Yoda working under Chewbakka! If PdV really care about SA rugby he would take a bow and hand over the reigns to one of these guys.

  • Gonzo - 2010-09-30 09:21

    LOVE IT!!!!!! Anyone who knows anything about rugby knows this man is a complete idiot. OH YES!!!!!

  • Bliss - 2010-09-30 09:21

    And there is Jake White openly offering his services to PDV but they will rather struggle than asking him.. No one wants to be involved with boks - wich i can understand quite well looking at the chaos in management. But Jake White is prepared to walk in there and pull things together and they don't want that ? ..... I dont know what to say.. unbelievable

  • darkwing - 2010-09-30 09:23

    I don't understand. Div, you said you were the best. Why do you need all this help all of a sudden? Show us how good you really are.

  • Kobie - 2010-09-30 09:23

    I hope that De Villiers learnt a lesson in that NOBODY that understands the game of rugby and that is good in there jobs wants to work with him.

  • Michael - 2010-09-30 09:24

    Should the Boks fail to reach semi's in 2011 RWC then all in coaching will be tarnished. Either of these two coaches approached should be in Bok camp as head coach. I really dont blame them for saying no. Surley this should send a message to Hoskins. Nobody of substance wants to work with old Snor

  • True Blue - 2010-09-30 09:26

    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • bob - 2010-09-30 09:28

    And the circus just continues, ALL BLACKS FOR THE WORLD CUP.... No Devilliers, No RACIST ABSA, Racist Ramos and Useless SA RUGBY... ALL BLACKS ALL THE WAY TO 2011 World Champions...Im sorry thats the way I am going to vote with my feet to another countrys rugby team!!!

  • harry - 2010-09-30 09:32

    Nobody want to work with this clown get rid of him now and save our rugby pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaazzzzzzzz.

  • Dronkie - 2010-09-30 09:33

    The best thing for Pieter to do is to resign...

  • BadWes - 2010-09-30 09:33

    Dont you get it Hoskins, your words after appointing de Villiers were, "We made the right decision for the country". As you can see now, you didn't, you can't fire PDivvy cause he was basically a political appointment, and doing that would be admitting that you made a mistake. Do you see now that politics and sport do not mix. Allister should be appointed the Head Honcho right now for the next three years so he can start rebuilding on the European Tour. His assistants should be either two (or even three) of Heyneke/Mitchell/Erasmus/Ludeke. That is your Bok Coaching "Dream Team". Contract them for three years and your problem is solved. Suck down your pride, admit your stupidity and make the correct decisions. The Springboks represent South Africa and not SARU or SARFU so the decision should be made in the interest of the whole of the country, not because of a few individuals wishes.

  • Middle East Pete - 2010-09-30 09:34

    Well, what has NOT been said tells us volumes!!! So sad that we find ourselves in this state with the RWC just around the corner. Sorry to say this but I foresee another 2003 RWC fiasco in the offering here.

  • Tjoppie - 2010-09-30 09:35

    Ha ha. Wie wil nou saam met dié nar werk.

  • Fanus - 2010-09-30 09:36

    why does nobody want to help div? does that not send a message. we nee the best coaches for the boks and div is not the best.

  • Wagga - 2010-09-30 09:36

    I hope everybody else will also decline , only then SARU will know that they got an comediant for a coach and nobody else want to join in that circus.

  • Joe Rugby - 2010-09-30 09:38

    Rowwe waters, diepe kak

  • Elliot - 2010-09-30 09:38

    Why do i get the feeling that our South African coaches want to se De Villiers fail? why are they turning him down at every turn? I'm no fan of De Villiers coz i think he speaks without thinking and that his got some rather stupid tendencies! But these okes need to look at the bigger picture here, this aint about PDivvy, this is about SA retaining its crown as world Champs! why is everyone being so short-sighted? The Boks belong to all South Africans, not to PDivvy, the ANC, DA, or whoever. It belongs to everyone, so we should all do our bit to assist them!!

  • AJ - 2010-09-30 09:39

    What's the common denominator here?

  • mikeh - 2010-09-30 09:40

    Can you blamr anyone for not wanting to work with Div.?

  • Gonzo - 2010-09-30 09:41

    LOVE IT!!!!!!! Anyone who knows anything about rugby knows this man is a complete idiot. OH YES!!!!!

  • The Coloured Man - 2010-09-30 09:42

    I'm coloured... and believe me there's no way Allister will assist Peter - that coloured will never support his own!

  • Cliff Bradley - 2010-09-30 09:44

    Please Frans & Alistair - Two of the best in SA , don't get dragged down with him.

  • GHN - 2010-09-30 09:44

    If PDivie is so good at what he does, why then is he trying to take the 'good' coaches from SA provinces to 'help' him? It is clear what the rugby fraternity think of him by turning him down - they don't want their good reputations soiled by any form of a relationship with PDiv - can't say I blame them. I know Jake did something similar but then his job was on the line - remember him being flown home mid tour to face the music - yet when PDiv has a similar run of poor form with the team he is supported by SARU. What do we call this differential treatment? And please keep 'race' out of this forum!

  • Bigg998 - 2010-09-30 09:45

    Oh Dear! NOBODY is going to bail out PdV! SARU must realise that they made a mistake as they had a perfect opportunity to get rid of the incompetent couching staff, but because of politics did not. The RWC is going to be a disaster for the Bokke. It is too late now to try and get competent people on board. SARU should have fired the lot!!

  • H - 2010-09-30 09:46

    It just goes to show that PDV has no idea what he is going to do. No Game Plan, No Structure, No F'n Clue. Secondly it exactly protrudes that no one in SA is willing to work with him for his inappropriate behavior (comments and galore) and making a (international) mockery of being the Bok Coach. Then lastly, I hope SARU and especially Mr. (Arrogant) Hoskins realize what a mistake they made to grant this position to someone who is obviously in-equipped to do the job. I blame you Mr. Hoskins for your unprofessional decisions at critical times and obviously not taking all the factors into consideration and only focusing on probably the factor that carries the least weight - transformation!!! I wonder who does your appraisal and why are you not assessed on your performance and whatever may... You time is long gone!!! But I suppose what the SARU said about three years ago - "they don't care about the Springboks winning, as long as transformation is implemented" is what they are doing and good luck with that...

  • No Surprise - 2010-09-30 09:48

    NOBODY wants to work alongside this clown and be humiliated................

  • Rob - 2010-09-30 09:49

    Why would these two great coaches agree on working with PdV when it could tarnish their reputations. I say good on them! SARU have made their bed and now they must lie in it! I can't help but think of what Hoskins said when PdV was appointed in 2008, "This selection was not entirely rugby related". Sorry for them, but it's time for them to accept that they were wrong and if they wanted to correct it, they should start at the top. Getting rid of the assistant coaches ONLY will not help.

  • Rob - 2010-09-30 09:51

    Why would these two great coaches agree on working with PdV when it could tarnish their reputations. I say good on them! SARU have made their bed and now they must lie in it! I can't help but think of what Hoskins said when PdV was appointed in 2008, "This selection was not entirely rugby related". Sorry for them, but it's time for them to accept that they were wrong and if they wanted to correct it, they should start at the top. Getting rid of the assistant coaches ONLY will not help.

  • JR - 2010-09-30 09:51

    Los die Bulle uit. Met 3 S14 Bekers kyk ek liewer S14 as hierdie politieke yoyo wat hulle springbok rugby noem.

  • Rudi - 2010-09-30 09:52

    SARU have again made rugby the victim of their political agenda's. Why would any sane person coach with a helium inflated airhead? Divvy has made so many mistakes, I'm sure he is not a bad coach technically, but you need to be a leader and a people's person, clearly he is neither. If he stays we will not win the WC. If you have ever played a team sports, it's really hard to give your all when there is a serious lack of respect for the coaching staff. Rant over.

  • GVA - 2010-09-30 09:53

    If they wanted to be clowns they would have joined the CIRCUS!! Hoskins is the Ringmaster and PDV is the Chief Clown!! Together they have turned the Springboks into a monkey act!

  • skywalker - 2010-09-30 09:54

    What desperation....why would anyone jump onto a sinking ship....these coaches have successful careers so why jeopardise them to join the circus...?

  • Hoender - 2010-09-30 09:54

    That's what happens when polititians appoint coaches. Dif, sort your own s*it out that you caused. The game is greater than any individual. 5 coaches being appointed on merit proved it to you. Nobody wants to get involved in politics. They just want to do their jobs what they have been appointed for.

  • GVA - 2010-09-30 09:54

    If they wanted to be clowns they would have joined the CIRCUS!! Hoskins is the Ringmaster and PDV is the Chief Clown!! Together they have turned the Springboks into a monkey act!

  • Great - 2010-09-30 09:55

    You don't touch something that stinks!!

  • Shinga - 2010-09-30 09:57

    Another Affirmative appointment fails, what a laugh...

  • polla - 2010-09-30 10:00

    pdv snorre has too a big ego! he should go and others stay - he is such an embarresment! cant he smell the coffee? wake up div, but then again you are not very smart to begin with...you dont even realise what SARU unofficially told you during your recent revision!!!!!!!! you idiot...the players in the bok team also said already that they themselves do not see them win the WC2011 if div stays on!

  • Brian Howard Coley - 2010-09-30 10:01

    All this a clear indication of what decent coaches think of PdV and SARU. Who wants to volunteer to be publicly embarrassed and out of a job next year after the Boks are kicked out of the RWC in the quarter finals or worse?

  • The Godfather - 2010-09-30 10:01

    LOL!!! No one wants to work for that embarrassment. A couple of years ago any provincial coach would be falling over their feet for a Bok assistant position. Just shows you how far backwards we've gone.

  • All knowing sports dude - 2010-09-30 10:03

    Sad that everybody forgets the good that De Villiers has done. This is not the first time SA sport is in disarray, mostly because of misrepresentation in the press. I hope he proves you all wrong so you can go back under the rocks of bias you hide under when all is good. It would be great if I could choose my own boss, but unfortunately my success depends on how well I work with him. It's the same with rugby, and real fans don't give up on their team.

  • Gerry - 2010-09-30 10:03

    PdV is out of his depth. Bring in John Mitch with Dick Muir and Frans Ludicke as assistants. If we want to be serious about winning the R.W.C. we need to do something now or it will be to late.

  • Henry - 2010-09-30 10:07

    Just shows you anything ANC related just SUCKS...@ Rugbyguy... seriously you nerd!

  • Elliot - 2010-09-30 10:07

    I get the feeling that our South African club coaches wanna see PDVfail. It's no coincidence that he's being turned down at every turn. I'm not a PDV fan coz i think he speaks before he thinks and he's definitely not the brightest fella. But these okes need to look at the bigger picture here: The Boks do not belong to PDV, ANC, DA, Afriforum, or anyone else who throws their weight around. This team belongs to all South Africans, so that means it is in the best interest of everyone that we all do what we can to help this team retain the World Cup crown. Why are these coaches and Rugby unions so unwilling to help the Boks out (although in their minds they think they're snubbing PDV)? As for all of you that are rejoicing in this thing of PDV being snubbed like this, you're not real Bok fans. You may think you are, but you not! Coz a real fan stands by its team no matter what, and you dont take pleasure when the coach of that team is failing. coz when the coach fails, the team fails as well! So get your heads out of your @sses and start looking at the bigger picture

  • hein Cent - 2010-09-30 10:08

    Maria Ramos can be one of the assistant coaches.

  • dirty harry - 2010-09-30 10:11

    Hoskins now your political appointment is biting you in the a&&&e.What goes around come around.Pdv be a man and accept you can't do the job and step down.

  • Nxubaa - 2010-09-30 10:11

    We call it sabotage. These are not patriots at all and they want DV to fall on his sword.

  • Raka13 - 2010-09-30 10:12

    When the tuff gets going, the going gets even tuffer, especially in SA rugby, what can you expect if the best coaches and best players are not selected to serve their country. With all the crap Jake White had to go through and win the World Cup, it is amazing that he is willing to go through it all again for the sake of SA Rugby.

  • Chris G - 2010-09-30 10:16

    I can hear the circus music in my head... I would be laughing myself silly except for the fact that I don't enjoy my national team being the laughing stock of world rugby.

  • like nooit hey - 2010-09-30 10:19

    Aaah yes you morons....The Star is most definitely a reliable source of info. Wake the hell up idiots

  • Graham Henry - 2010-09-30 10:19

    Its been my dream to coach the Boks - even as assistant coach under Div.