Div's Bees quote 'divides SA'

2010-09-02 22:39

Hilda Fourie

Johannesburg – “I shuddered when the Springboks announced that they are 100% behind Bees Roux.”

That's what Tshwane metro police regional director Moloko Racheku said at the memorial service for police sergeant Ntshimane Johannes Mogale (38), who was allegedly beaten to death by Blue Bulls prop Bees Roux last Friday morning.

Racheku was referring to a comment by Springbok coach Peter de Villiers earlier in the week that they fully support Roux, though they do not support the crime he stands accused of.

De Villiers said: “The team supports him … not the deed, but how the situation developed.”

Racheku said that one could conclude from the statement that the Springboks know something about the incident that the rest of the public doesn’t. He wants to know what it is.

“The Springboks are a national team,” said Racheku.

“My son and I are Springbok supporters. So were Mogale and his son. Mogale is also entitled to the Springboks supporting him.”

Executive director of policing Ndumiso Jaca said that he condemned the statement by De Villiers in the strongest terms.

He said that former president Nelson Mandela had used the Rugby World Cup in 1995 to unite people.

“We as black people told the white people to join us, but statements like that (the one by De Villiers) divides the nation,” said Jaca.


  • THE PUNISHER - 2010-09-02 22:51

    Moloko Racheku - julle voorvaders gaan julle rondjaag, hahahahaha. simpel aap, jou voorvaders sit almal saam met Nick om die groot vuur. Elkeen met n pynappel waar die son nie skyn nie. Jy is n rassis, jy steel ten 2 one net so lekker soos Mogale gedoen het. Lyk my jy gee nie n flenter om oor die waarheid wat uitgekom het nie. ( jou korrupte spietkops bribe, steel, vermoor en verkrag ) Viva Bees!!!!! Net vir die rekord - as jou klomp ape dit met my probeer doen, sal ek presies dieselfde as Bees doen

  • Vic J - 2010-09-02 22:56

    Hey pal, this statement was not made by a white person. (Maybe half white) At this point of time, I do not know what to make of this bizzarre happenning. I personaly believe there is more to this and hopefully these metro cops will have the guts to say they targeted innocent, late disco/nightclub people.

  • Rishi Albert - 2010-09-02 22:58

    De Villiers needs an academic to proof- read what he says............what a clown.

  • Theo - 2010-09-02 23:03

    Let the law take its course. Perhaps if the senior police mentioned here put their backs into solving the many farm killings instead of justifying them, SA would be a better place. Being a Metro cop does not necessarily follow that you are decent, honest or hardworking. Being big and Afrikaans does not necessarily mean you are violent or racist. These Metro cops just can't leave "asking for cooldrink" out of their daily lives. Maybe that is thr real problem here.

  • Darwinia - 2010-09-02 23:04

    Ek is ook n Afrikaner net soos Punisher hierbo. Ek distansieer myself totaal van wat hy kwytraak. Die soort rassisme is walglik en veragtelik. Die Bees sage sal uitkristaliseer soos die tyd loop. In die tussentyd is ons steeds een nasie.

  • Benzo - 2010-09-02 23:04

    To both of you, Moloke and "the punisher", could you not wait till the case has gone through the scrutiny of a court process???? This kind of conversation does not help anybody.

  • Wally - 2010-09-02 23:08

    Some people want to make of this incident a racial issue : white against black. This is in fact an issue of the GOOD against the EVIL. Time will tell who the EVIL was.

  • Dave - 2010-09-02 23:13

    This sack of dog dung conveniently forgot about the charges of theft and disorderly conduct; failing in his duty and unprofessional conduc; and gross negligence, committing a deed harmful to the council and failing in his duty in December 2008. He is probably sharing in the spoils of the blackmail.

  • Blue Jake - 2010-09-02 23:14

    Racheko, the truth hurts doesn't it? You are running an organization littered with corrupt criminals. Metro cops are the lowest form of life. Learning that the deceased had a history of criminal activity just confirms what most of us though when this news broke last Friday. There are 3 groups of people who deserve to die. That is rapists, child molestors and corrupt cops. Bees, I'm a member of your support group on facebook. It's growing rapidly for what it's worth. With the right people in your corner all the corruption of this lowlife organization with be exposed. I salute you.

  • Dave - 2010-09-02 23:15

    This sack of dog dung conveniently forgot about the charges of theft and disorderly conduct; failing in his duty and unprofessional conduc; and gross negligence, committing a deed harmful to the council and failing in his duty in December 2008. He is probably sharing in the spoils of the blackmail.

  • kykweer - 2010-09-02 23:20

    “We as black people told the white people to join us, but statements like that (the one by De Villiers) divides the nation,” said Jaca... When did Div become white?

  • kykweer - 2010-09-02 23:26

    Oh and btw apparently the proceedings at the memorial wasn't racist when they referred to the accused as an animal, but of course the metro police knows he is guilty, no metro policeman is corrupt in south Africa. Moloko Racheku is 100% behind Mogale, but he is black so he is allowed to say what he wants.

  • cp - 2010-09-02 23:34

    There is definitely more to this story!! Ask yourselves a few questions. Since when is someone drunk and being arrested not put in handcuffs? How was a credit card belonging to the accused used within a half hour of the initial arrest at a MacDonalds? What happened to the other two metro cops? What was a metro cop doing driving the accused 'home' after the arrest, if not for some suspicious reason? When does this happen? Why were they driving away from the 2 closest police stations? Do you think there was something to gain outside of the monthly paycheck by the metro cop doing this? Is a cop still a cop if he is corrupt? If you thought your life was in danger and you were being hijacked and you had a weapon on you, would you use it? If that weapon was your size would you use it? Apparently this cop is/was under investigation for 4 other incidents none of which have been completed yet dating back to 2008. The 2 other metro cops present at the initial arrest could not explain themselves! Hmmm, begs the question, what really happened???

  • Pispot - 2010-09-02 23:40

    Julle (nee - ONS) is almal 'n klomp do***ooose**** Waneer gaan ONS begin werk aan opplossings en minder fok(us) op die probleem? Dit is 'n great Country!! Eliminate if you think there are some "offensive words"...

  • Neal - 2010-09-02 23:51

    They target them because these people are clearly drunk! The irony is that the man was trying to save lives by getting Bees away from the steering wheel. I hope he's charged for everything he's done. P Divvy needs to learn to shut up and continue being the "figure head" coach. I wish people would stop viewing this as a race issue. A man killed another man - The end.

  • law - 2010-09-03 00:04

    Die polisie boef het sy moses tee gekom toe hy die verkeerde ou gehijack het. Hoekom die man na Bees te huis wou gaan, ek dink dis omdat jy wou steel, verkrag en vermoor. Bees het homself verdedig.

  • Sinudeity - 2010-09-03 00:11

    THE PUNISHER - Moord is moord. As bees die regte ding wou gedoen het, sy hy hof toe gegaan het oor die korrupsie. En dan ook homself aangee vir dronk bestuur. As daar n skaal was van reg en verkeerd, is bees ver op die verkeerde kant.

  • Wayne B - 2010-09-03 00:17

    Mmm meneer die kind van die duiwel (punisher) soos die bybel se moord is moord maak nie saak wat omstandige was nie. Jy het nie die reg om te moor nie. Waar was sy goeie vriende? Bees jy is goeie voorbeeld vir ons kinders deur te bewys dat drank en kaal vrouens nie goed is nie. Bees my God have mercy on your soul. O, ja wat dink jou meisie(??) van daai soort klubs wat jy uit hang. Mmm ek wonder of geld en blou bulle jou gaan uitkom. Ek wonder maar net hard op.......

  • Leeutjie - 2010-09-03 00:23

    Amazing, if someone coloured is good then he is black, like Habana, Obama etc.When he does something the black community does not agree with he is white like PdV is now. Shame what a bunch of idiots are. If you kill a robber with your your hands you are a monster, if you are a rugby player it's even worse. If a robber kills a farmer with a panga it's a robbery. If they shove a broom up the farmers wife the black people say nothing, but pleeezzzeee do not kill a black robber with your bare hands because you don't have a gun with you, then it's the worst crime possible, youre a monster. Flippen hell this people are pathetic and their double standards is probably the worst in the world. PdV is a rugby man and rugby people stand together. He mos said that he does not agreed the act. F&ck just give the man a break. He is doing his best.

  • sam - 2010-09-03 00:50

    Apparently ..this monument to all thats good & honest , as a Tswane Traffic Officer , Ntshimane Johannes Mogale (38), ..& steadfast to all thats holy & good ...was being investigated for at least 4 charges of blackmail et etc etc ... He picked on the wrong Dude ..not a helpless little old woman or some body who cannot defend themselves , but a guy who practices with sacks of mielies weighing 200KGM.. & now the spell is out to haunt him ...I wonder what was going on with Mr . Mogale ...picked the wrong victim ...Huh ..Maybe the spirits must look after Mr. Mogale ...rather than Bees ...

  • What a joke - 2010-09-03 00:59

    You! The ANC have appointed Peter the Div Clown. Don't go blaming the white guys for this! It's an absolute disgrace. Trying to point fingers at the white people with every chance you get. Grow a pair. Racists!!

  • Deonic - 2010-09-03 01:13

    Ok, this is going too far. Please guys, let's just keep quiet. I can't see anything good coming from this. I am only talking for myself, and don't represent or assume to represent any group or identity or stakeholders. I see Rugby as a national interest being drawn into a massive controversy, and our coach has certainly done his bit to fuel the fire. He seem to be incapable of grasping the implications of his utterances, even after so many guffaws. Sorry Div, there are no pills for stupidity. You may have been or may not have been a good coach, but the ignorance and embarrassment has gone too far. The merits or whatever of the Bees Roux case was efficiently removed from the rugby connotation, and even 80% of respondents on these (biased) forums expressed their disgust. That was until you and your motormouth came along and created the impression that you can talk on behalf of the Springbok rugby players, and then you basically condoned murder. Sorry Bru, you are embarassing me and my fellow rugby supporters, and you are certainly bringing the game into disrepute, no doubt. You are just such an infantile ignoramus that it is now impossible for anybody to support you.

  • Boertjie - 2010-09-03 01:25

    Irrespective of who is the guilty party in this, I am amazed that Div's statements are always the headline. Everything these days seem to revolve around what Div says and doesn't say. If he supports the case, then he is this and that, if he doesn't support the man, then he will be labelled a racist or dividing the nation. These sensation seeking reporters should focus on important issues and stop wasting their days waiting for De Villiers to open his mouth. It is starting to look as if they have nothing else to report on. No matter what those cops did, nothing can justify beating another person to death. that is plain hooliganism. I wonder if there will ever come a day when news reporting will earn a bit of credibility, because currently the standard of reporting in this country is nothing short of trashy and tacky.

  • Hannes from Perth - 2010-09-03 01:30

    This case illustrate what is wrong with South Africa. This case seems to involves multiple crimes: drunk driving, bribery, corruption, theft, assault, murder, police cover-ups and further very public death threats. In another country Bees will do the right thing and order a taxi, the police officer would have followed procedure, the other police men would not support corruption, Bees' would not have used force to protect his property and Mogale's brother (a policeman) would have had so much respect for law enforcement that he would not make public death threats. If people do not respect others and the law enforcement does not work, a drunk driving charge ends up in a murder.

  • chris - 2010-09-03 01:45

    @ the punisher. Die ironie, dan noem jul julself nog christen? lol. Bees het iemand vermoor, verstaan jy die gewig daarvan? En nou "viva bees" jy links en regs. Maar ons vergewe mos vir arme Bees omdat hy tog te mooi rugby speel? Dis vokken pateties. P.S ateisme rules

  • Cherry - 2010-09-03 01:52

    It is a terrible thing to kill someone. It is quite traumatic for the killer as well. I can only suggest that all the affected parties go for trauma counselling. In the meantime, we should not lose perspective. I do know one thing and that what had happened was not unprovoked. I also know that Metro Police, in addition to their high salaries, earn quite abit of cash from motorists. When the point system come into place, they'll all be millionaires because I aint going to lose points, I'd rather pay the cop. Sorry Bees and sorry to the Mogale survivors. You are all victims.

  • shallock - 2010-09-03 01:57

    If he continue making that certein comment to the public, pringbok will never win in try nations nor in world cup again,he is not a good leader indeed.i thought he was the right man to unite south africa but i got it wrong.

  • Paul Van Der Merwe - 2010-09-03 02:03

    yip Div is very white so this will divide the entire universe, how is it we still have muppets running things and allowed to make comments in public its scary this person is a person of power

  • johan - 2010-09-03 02:09

    “We as black people told the white people to join us, but statements like that (the one by De Villiers) divides the nation,” said Jaca. What devides this nation is an anc that does not deliver on its promises.its hypocryttcal leaders that want to make statements about white people that will not join them, when it is themsleves that forces us not to join them. nelson mandela was a great figure for our country but it is the currenty regime that is tainting his legacy.

  • Arrie - 2010-09-03 02:35

    When we are murdered it's ok, when 1 of us are being hijacked and the hijacker are killed they have an issue - What! Is Div also part of the tyranny - wolf in sheep clothes if you ask me.

  • scott - 2010-09-03 02:43

    Corrupt cops are the worst type of criminal. They have sworn to protect and serve the community, but instead, they abuse their power and victimise ordinary citizens. In my books, that's treason. If Mogale was corrupt, he got what he deserved. The responsible party is the SA government, who are not doing enough to ensure SA has a professional police force. As usual, this incident is being touted as "racial" - It's not,

  • Dominique - 2010-09-03 02:46

    Innocent until proven guilty! End of discussion.

  • Bob - 2010-09-03 03:00

    Read this: What a bunch of well edumacated fools we have running the show! This is once again proving what a joke OUR COUNTRY has become!

  • JJ - 2010-09-03 03:55

    'We as black people TOLD the white people to join us' - wake up

  • JW - 2010-09-03 03:57

    @ THE PUNISHER. On behalf of the rest of the world, you're a disgrace.

  • Tomdeb - 2010-09-03 04:09

    It is really irritating when so many of our black people keep on with this racism corpse. Apartheid is dead. It has been dead for decades. This storey is about right and wrong. If this so called cop was corrupt then he deserved to die and likewise if Bees is guilty of something out of his own doing then he needs to be punished. Let the storey be told.

  • Mr D - 2010-09-03 04:36

    Wel Bees het hom net dood gedonner, hy het hom ten minste nie verkrag daarna met n' warm strykyster gebrand en net om als te kroom sy keel af gesny nie. So waaroor kla die ouens nou. ET word vermoor die ou kry borg vir R500, Bees verdedig homself en die ou sterf en die borg is R100k. WTF

  • MILOBOY - 2010-09-03 04:58

    Its not surprising !,Div's had to open his mouth !lol He just seems to have a knack of not shutting his mouth and making it easy for the SA Rugby Board to get rid of him . Politics in any sport should never go hand in hand as I'm sure you will all agree ! We should all let justis take its course . Get rid of this incompetent clown and get back to the business at hand ,which is to watch the world rugby champions win there third RWC.

  • Polly - 2010-09-03 05:02

    Hilda Fourie please keep this as a sport site where we can comment on sporting issues. Your comments have turned this into a political column which we as serious sports lovers are trying to get away from.

  • Nathan Edwards - 2010-09-03 05:38

    Mr Moloko Racheku. You are part of the problem why you metro police is such a buch of arrogant, corrupt and racist officials. I am just sorry for Bees that he has to put up a fight and create this huge mess, for us all to have the metro police under the spotlight. Stop playing political games and do your job. Go and plead with you ansestors to help you get rid of your corrupt officials and maybe yourself? Your unit is dividing the community cause they are corrupt, arrogant and racist!!!! As your president said at a time: Bees are innocent until find guilty in a court of law and not by a morron like you!! You are simply making a smokescreen to cover up for the mess in your own unit.

  • Tzaneener - 2010-09-03 05:47

    Pdv het gesê hulle steun Bees as persoon, nie die daad wat gepleeg is nie. Het hierdie "polisiemanne" vergeet dat 'n persoon onskuldig is tot hy skuldig bewys word in 'n hof? Het hierdie mense die moordenaars van Eugene Terreblanche se ondersteuners by die hof veroordeel as "deviders of the nation" Ek dink hulle is besig om die aandag van die verdagte omstandighede van die saak af te lei.

  • Punish the p@es punisher - 2010-09-03 05:49

    Punisher, wies die fo##en aap, you live in the past jou n@@i. Jou dogter gaan lekker met n swart ou trou!!!!

  • Theo - 2010-09-03 05:50

    What another sad day for South Africa. On the one hand the Senior police officers threatening without knowing the facts .... On the other hand another arrogant rugby player thinking they are national heros. When blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites in this country its just another murder, I am "gatvol" for this racial thing. This is a my beloved country but also a very sick country.

  • Gustav - 2010-09-03 05:51

    Only tme will tell what REALLY happened. To kill someone, is wrong, BUT, and a very big BUT, if my life is threatened, I will kil as well.

  • Theo - 2010-09-03 05:52

    What another sad day for South Africa. On the one hand the Senior police officers threatening without knowing the facts .... On the other hand another arrogant rugby player thinking they are national heros. When blacks kill blacks and whites kill whites in this country its just another murder, I am "gatvol" for this racial thing. This is a my beloved country but also a very sick country.

  • Jacqui - 2010-09-03 06:06

    Arg,what this guy did was absolutely wrong.lets nt focus on whether he is a racist or whatever bt then someone has lost their life.he must go to jail!

  • AJ - 2010-09-03 06:15

    I shuddered when I heard metro cops hang around bars, driving private citizens off to ATM's to rob them of cash whilst their colleagues use the citizen's credit cards. It is a shocking abuse of power. That makes me shudder. Also when the cop already has 3 allegations of this against his name, nothing gets done and his friends call him honourable, that also makes me shudder. Get your house in order, follow your on rules and you would have saved a life. Stop driving around picking on citizens, enforce the law - according to the law.

  • Janine Spies - 2010-09-03 06:19

    "Let's call on the fallen members of the department to go and man the road blocks and ensure Bees doesn't rest." If steps are not taken against this guy, then it shows again that we are living in a crony corrupt city and thats one of the main causes of frustrations in the community which leads to behaviour of the likes of Bees Roux. Normal citizens are fedup of the metro police!!! And director Moloko Racheku, dont underestimate the publics intelligence please! Your emotional inciting statements is shortlived and nothing of that is going to stand in court, if you ever know how the court works.

  • Alta - 2010-09-03 06:51

    Regtig "scary" om te dink dat mense soos Jaca en Mogale vir wet en orde verantwoordelik is. Dit is duidelik dat baie ongerymdhede binne die Metropolisie broei en dat hulle hoof vierkantig agter sy korrupte manne staan. Dit is ook skokkend dat Jaca die reg het om Roux openlik in die media te dreig met teistering! Roux sal regverdig verhoor word (soos die ANC altyd daarop aandring vir hulle eie mense) en dienooreenkomstig gestraf word as hy skuldig is. Jaca is regtig onvolwasse en 'n eintlik 'n skande vir die pos wat hy beklee. Jaca, weet jy dalk iets wat ons die publeik nie weet nie???? Jy is so kordaat om die Bokke te beskuldig!!!

  • susan - 2010-09-03 06:52

    I suggest that nobody must drive alone at night. Make sure you subsribe to e block watch and maybe keep one of those cheap disposable cameras in your vehicle - if they stop you let your co driver take a pic of the "officer"Not only the boks are behind Bees, but most reasonable south africans that are all fed up with these thugs in uniforms.