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WP haunted by 2010 final?

2012-10-22 12:01

Cape Town – Two years hardly constituting a long time on rugby’s frenetic calendar, major trophy-shy Western Province are likely to be spooked at least to some extent by memories of the 2010 Currie Cup final when they contest the showpiece at the very same venue on Saturday (17:00 kick-off).

How could they not be, when only too aware that the Sharks prevailed by a clear-cut 30-10 at Mr Price Kings Park on October 30 of that season?

The match is pretty aptly described in the 2011 SA Rugby Annual as “the 50th final in the competition’s 118-year history but also one of the most one-sided ... the platform was laid upfront”.

Patrick Lambie was then an especially fresh-faced 20-year-old and, aided by the same kind of forward domination in front of him that characterised last Saturday’s 20-3 semi-final dismantling of the Blue Bulls, contributed 25 points (including two tries) to the near-rout.

Usefully older and wiser -- and in excellent form and with Springbok No 10 aspirations into the bargain -- don’t discount the possibility of Lambie being as influential on the big day once more.

So, to the question of whether the visitors will be haunted by the equivalent 2010 occasion, the answer is probably both yes and no.

“Yes” because of carbon copy home-ground advantage and the ominous possibility of a gnarly Sharks pack bossing all-important front-foot momentum in a repeat of history, but also “no” because you can be sure that wily WP coach Allister Coetzee and his lieutenants will be doing their level-best this week to convince their charges that they have the mettle and underdog’s “gees” this year to gain revenge for that drubbing.

Injury-hit and consequently more rookie-laden than they would like in certain positions, Coetzee and company will implore some tiring, overplayed (in several instances, anyway) troops to summon one last heroic effort  and match the resilience and courage shown in the come-from-behind semis triumph over the Lions in their own den.

It would also be true to say that not too many of the current WP ranks actually took part in the 2010 “horror show”, so any lingering psychological frailty as a result ought to be limited.

Although team selections for the 2012 final will only become apparent from Wednesday – Province are traditionally scheduled to reveal their line-up around lunchtime then, though Sharks coach John Plumtree tends to be cagey for longer – the WP XV will by necessity look greatly different from the 2010 one.

The only likely “same starters” will be Gio Aplon, Juan de Jongh, Bryan Habana, Duane Vermeulen and Deon Fourie, although the last-named player will be both captain and probably at open-side flank rather than hooker this time around.

The Sharks’ selection is rather less obvious at this stage because Plumtree has the luxury of chewing over whether to start with certain Springbok stalwarts – like Beast Mtawarira and Willem Alberts – or stick to some faithful, more-than-competent troops from the round-robin stage and handily introduce some big guns off the bench again.

Many WP players from the 2010 mix are now right out of the picture (like Conrad Jantjies, Willem de Waal, Ricky Januarie, Anton van Zyl, Adriaan Fondse and JD Moller), whilst the Newlands-based side are hamstrung by such high-profile, injury-enforced absentees as Schalk Burger, Jean de Villiers, Andries Bekker, Tiaan Liebenberg and Rynhardt Elstadt.

For interest’s sake, these were the 2010 final starting XVs:

Sharks: 15 Louis Ludik, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Stefan Terblanche (c), 12 Andries Strauss, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Patrick Lambie, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Ryan Kankowski, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Keegan Daniel, 5 Alistair Hargreaves, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Bismarck du Plessis, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.

WP: 15 Conrad Jantjies, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Juan de Jongh, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Willem de Waal, 9 Ricky Januarie, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (c), 5 Anton van Zyl, 4 Adriaan Fondse, 3 Brok Harris, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 JD Moller.

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Comments
  • bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 12:13

    Le Grande Choke!!!

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-22 12:17

      We can still choke.....the Bulls can't even choke anymore. Why...because Snotsuig Steyn was Lambie's beeeaaatch.

      danny.cohen.315 - 2012-10-22 12:25

      @ tommy........LOL

      MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-10-22 12:30

      Come on Bakkies, something more original than that please

      robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-10-22 12:33

      Jeez you are a dumb idiot arent you???

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-22 12:34

      Hy verlang na sy ma Bakkies!

      robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-10-22 12:40

      and you've just joined him on the idiot list...

      tommy.jones.754918 - 2012-10-22 12:40

      Bulls out now poep@l!!! . ROFL. "Bulls out now". Wait, let me just wipe these tears of laughter from my eyes.

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-10-22 16:30

      Nope - by losing in the final away to the top side in the competition when you finish 3rd it would by definition not be choking...

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 16:41

      @fransie boy Whatever you want to call it Frans, irrelevant. I'm gonna call it 12yr cupless

  • stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-22 12:19

    Rob, you are missing one simple fact. Province are NOT the Bulls. On Saturday Province will (a) pitch up and (b) actually play. Nobody gave Province a chance against the Lions either. One thing remains true: given the position they are coming from and the chances everyone is giving them, if they should lose, nobody can blame Province for choking. The Sharks are the only team that can choke in this instance.

      tang.willemse - 2012-10-22 12:29

      Nee wat stirrer, om nou al verskonings uit te dink gan nie help nie china!

      robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-10-22 12:34

      Hey Tang.... go troll somewhere else please.. the big boys are talking... ass clown

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-22 12:48

      You're welcome, Raven. I should also thank you for the hilarious time I had from 16:30 - 18:00 on Saturday, it was a hoot!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-22 12:51

      Bakkies, (a) Province won, and (b) according to all the BB supporters, yourself included, Province didn't have a snowballs hope in hell. You're changing positions quicker than Mitt Romney. Are you also a mor(m)on?

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 13:08

      Stir is what the bulls fans say, or the whole of sa what counts??? 80% of south africans said a Natal vs WP final???

      jason.children - 2012-10-22 13:14

      @Bakkies thats only because more WP supporters have access to the internet! @ Stirrer, I really think you overstepped the mark here with Bakkies, why did you have to mention Mitt Romney when you know that will confuse Bakkies?

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 15:12

      Better get all your chirps in poor stirrer, just over 90min internet time to go Shamepies

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 15:12

      Jason porker, you are disgusting

      nuus.reeder - 2012-10-22 16:21

      Thanks stirrer, you confirm my previous comment...

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 16:30

      Stirrer, 30min remaining my friend

  • PatPion - 2012-10-22 12:22

    To be quite honest, I think the 2010 Sharks team was better than their 2012 counterparts, and vice versa for Province. The WP boys might give a better account of themselves this time around.

  • upumba - 2012-10-22 12:26

    When i heard that WP had beaten Lions the first thing that popped into my mind was that awesome hand-off Pat dealt on Schalk on route to a try.........great memories. Here's to another slaughter of WP at the hands of the best team in SA GO SHARKS BLAQ - WHITE - DYNAMITE!!!!!!!!!!!

  • phillip.duplessis.5 - 2012-10-22 12:33

    What happened to Willem De waal?

      MarkSchrade1980 - 2012-10-22 12:39

      Think he retired

      tertius.devereaux.1 - 2012-10-22 13:29

      Hys choke-choke di land uit

  • robin.bradley.9803 - 2012-10-22 12:36

    Why do all these Blue Bulls fans post under aliases?? Are you stupid?? oh wait.. I sort of answered that question by asking the question...

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 12:45

      Stirrer, huxley, fake pous, env esv!!!!

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 12:47

      caravan bulls.... Isak Visser, the list of aliases goes on and on on WP side!!!

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-10-22 12:53

      Bakkies ?! Yeah right. You cannot be the real Bakkies. The real Bakkies cannot read or write.

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 13:08

      Looks like the shoe fits!!!

  • john.maree.90 - 2012-10-22 12:40

    W.P to take it by 7. Everyone is backing the Sharks but the team for W.P now is very young and they want to play. The forwards will pitch up and the backs will play and W.p will win it in the end. All the Bulls supports SHHHHHhhhhhh because you are not in the final for the 4th time in a row!

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 12:45

      Stem nie saam nie!!!

      riaan.crouse1 - 2012-10-22 12:51

      WP dont need there stinking support we got enough real support GO WP

      john.maree.90 - 2012-10-22 12:56

      I really hope that W.P takes it. They deserve it after 4 finals and they are just the better team. with all the boks back I believe they will all show up to play and I think Habanna will edge it again against the Sharks!

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-10-22 12:59

      Ek nog minder!

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 13:09

      Blue, no!!! Support the Sharks, 12 years cupless sounds so nice!!!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 13:10

      Thanks raven but the sharks don't need your support we will do just fine without your petty " i hate wp so il support any team who plays them" approach. To province good luck, two deserving teams in the final and I hope to hell its a good game showcasing all the talent South African rugby has to offer, and of course the big W for the sharks. Black White Dynamite!!

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 14:14

      thanks raven, we don't need filth supporting us anyways. as sharks we know how to win without breaking any rules, for more information go back to last weeks game.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 15:15

      don't make any whine with those sour grapes raven, the better team (by a country mile) won on the day, there is always next year... get rid of pine and most of the run on 15 and you might even get a shot at a final, til then have a good weekend in the garden i hope the sun shines just for you

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 16:20

      name calling? can you spell hypocrite? I was one a few sharks supporters who actually thanked you for being so grown up and congratulating the sharks on a deserved win. I didn't mean you had to work in the garden just that because you had time off due to the fact that your team couldn't hack it in the semis and played like a bunch of blind kids, that you could chill out in the garden. There is a difference, but thanks for pointing out the fact that you make sooo much money and are one of the select few in South Africa who can afford to employ a horticulturist (I'm sure Bongani will be tickled blue bull pink being called that). It obviously means something up in Pretoria. I mean I'l be to busy watching my team in the final on saturday, cos we got the spirit yes we do we got the spirit how about you??

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-22 16:52

      "Dono you are slow" name calling. Thanks rave I will enjoy the game, enjoy bongani

      gerhardmcsa - 2012-10-22 20:19

      Hey Donno, you hit a really raw nerve there! Province and Sharks only need their real supporters come Saturday. Good luck and may the best team on the day win! I'm really hoping we can pull a 2000 rabbit out of the hat. The cup needs to come home! :-) i'm also a Liverpool supporter, so you can understand my and 50% of cape town's desperation. Will this be our year?

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-23 08:36

      Thanks Gerhard boet all the best come saturday, I don't think the game will be as black and white as it was last week, I really hope we can pull this one off but if we don't the bulls supporters might just implode as they won't have anything to throw in your faces which might even be worth coming second again this year... Well almost.

  • nagou.grote - 2012-10-22 12:50

    On paper Sharks is by far a better team. What I'm looking forward to is across board competition, especially. the nr. 4's & 9's. I just hope my boys can look at the Lions last year, and know that any team can win, any given Saturday.

  • deon.fouche.3 - 2012-10-22 12:58

    Ek dink die Bulle moet nou maar net liewer stilbly, want hulle kon nie eers, met n ster belaaide span, meer as 3 punte aanteken nie! Ek dink dit is choke! Niks lekkerder as om die FLOU NULLE terug te stuur Danville toe met net 3 puntjies nie! Shame mamma! Mag die beste span (Sharks) wen Saterdag! Black & White!!!

      tertius.devereaux.1 - 2012-10-22 13:26

      Saterdag gaan jule wee choke face dit...dan gaan di BLOU golf oor jule wees

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-10-22 14:46

      @Blue, mens moet maar speel soos wat die ref blaas, of liewer, so het julle kaptein nie te lank terug gesê nie, maar moenie worry nie, Weer Probeer het absoluut GEEN kans teen ons nie! CC Champs 2012 - SHARKS!

      gerhardmcsa - 2012-10-22 20:22

      Nie soos in die 2010 super 14 final nie, ne?

  • stephen.axtell.7 - 2012-10-22 13:04

    Ah Sports24 looking for hits. The powers that be know if they post a WP/Stormers article, the bitter Bulls supporters will come in their droves to copy and paste their usual bile

      bakkies.botha.39 - 2012-10-22 13:11

      No we cannot copy and paste, 11 does not fit in there anymore

      nuus.reeder - 2012-10-22 16:33

      Same applies when an article involves the Bulls. Bulls and WP supporters are obsessed with one another, their little spats are getting a bit boring. It would be nice if there was some focus on rugby instead of petty mudslinging, but maybe they find the slinging more entertaining than rugby. Yawn...

  • George - 2012-10-22 13:31

    I think a lot of people are forgetting that a final is never something one should think is going to be a one sided affair...the proof is in the pudding in many cases. Bokke vs England '97 World Cup -we beat them by 30 points in the round robin but come the final it was a different ball game.NZ vs France final -all blacks should have dominated them but it was almost the other way round.being a shark supporter as well I would like to be more realistic and say that even though I think the sharks probably with home ground advantage would take this one I think it's going to be much closer than some may like to think.

      gerhardmcsa - 2012-10-22 20:27

      I just hope Province pitch, because that 30 - 10 hurt. This year's super 15 semi too. I think all that Province supporters are hoping for is for the boys to play their best. All the best for both teams.

  • have.faith.9026 - 2012-10-22 14:32

    Another Bull Less final.... Hahahaha!

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 16:43

      12yr cupless within a week HaHaHaHa

  • jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-22 15:10

    WP is haunted by 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009, 2010, 2011...

  • blou.johnny - 2012-10-22 15:49

    ....die platberg platkop spannetjie gaan dit ongelukkig nie maak teen die Haaie nie.. ..Die geskiedenis het al oor en oor bewys dat die platkop spannetjie nie die vermoe of vernuf het om die gesogte tofee te wen nie ... Soos Ackers gese het.. ....Haaie met 20 plus..

      bootman.bokke - 2012-10-22 17:04

      Blou jobby if you're so obsessed with history then lets go back to 2000 when WP beat the Sharks in Durban in front of a packed Kings Park...................or 2001 when WP beat them again at Newlands.

      bootman.bokke - 2012-10-22 17:05

      .............en niemand speel Saterdag vir tofee nie.

      gswart1 - 2012-10-22 19:27

      *trofee jou idioot. Die bulle speel seker vir n tofee die naweek. Toffee facepalm.

      jaco.schalkwyk.752 - 2012-10-23 00:51

      Gerhardus, ons UNISA man op die blog, hoe voel jou handjie jong?

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