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Lambie to stake Bok claim

2012-10-26 09:01

Johannesburg - The Currie Cup final in Durban Saturday offers Patrick Lambie a timely chance to prove he should be the Springbok fly-half when they play Ireland, Scotland and England next month.

Lambie lines up with the favoured Sharks against visiting Western Province at Kings Park in a climax to the South African domestic season that will feature more than a dozen national players.

With recently promoted Johan Goosen out of the Tests in Dublin, Edinburgh and London due to injury, many believe Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer will recall Morne Steyn as playmaker.

But Lambie outplayed Steyn when the Sharks defeated the Blue Bulls 20-3 in a Currie Cup semi-final last weekend and large sections of the public and media believe he deserves a chance to wear the No 10 green and gold shirt.

Meyer begs to differ, saying Lambie needs to improve his tactical kicking, and consistently picks him only as the replacement full-back behind Zane Kirchner.

The coach does sometimes change his mind, though, replacing Steyn after his place-kicking success rate dipped to 25 percent and picking back-row 'fetcher' Francois Louw after claiming a few months before that the role was extinct.

Lambie is similar to Goosen in that he loves to attack the advantage line and mix kicking, running and passing whereas Steyn favours lying deep and relying too heavily on often misdirected tactical kicks.

Steyn and Lambie are almost certain to be named in a 32-man touring squad due for release Sunday, but there is a strong belief that Meyer will opt for Steyn as his first choice pivot.

The baby-faced Sharks fly-half has fond memories of playing Province in a Currie Cup final, scoring 25 points in a 30-10 final victory at Kings Park two years ago that was ever bit as decisive as the scoreline suggests.

Sharks are favourites because they have been the outstanding South African province this season, reaching the Super 15 final before losing to Chiefs in New Zealand and topping the Currie Cup league table.

Finishing first with seven victories from 10 matches - including home and away successes against Province -- earned them the right to home advantage for the semi-final and the final.

The Kings Park setting could prove crucial as Province are prone to struggle on the road, with a dramatic 21-16 semi-final triumph over defending champions Golden Lions in Johannesburg last weekend a notable exception.

A try from Springbok No 8 Duane Vermeulen with eight seconds left snatched victory for Province after the Cape Town side used a rolling maul to devastating effect.

Sharks have made four changes to the team that started against the Bulls with two Springbok forwards, prop Tendai 'The Beast' Mtawarira and loose-forward ball carrier Willem Alberts, among those elevated.

The lone change in the Province starting line-up sees Damian de Allende, who usually operates on the left wing, chosen at inside centre ahead of Marcel Brache in a side skippered by flank Deon Fourie.

AFP

Comments
  • TravieGrif - 2012-10-26 09:05

    I have been saying this all year, so reality is that if HM has not made his mind up yet, then Lambie at Bok 10 is not going to happen. I am not sure that he can 'prove' himself any more than he already has. Hope he has a cracker on the weekend. Lift the CC, boys. Sharks forever!

      BlouMasjien1 - 2012-10-26 09:21

      Lambie is die beste nr 10 en hy is n moet vir einde van die jaar.As hy in die uper 15 nr 10 gespeel het glo ek HM sou hom gekies het. Sterkte vir more .

      BlouMasjien1 - 2012-10-26 09:26

      *super

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-26 10:14

      Which bad games were those, mate? Super 15 final, after having travelled three times around the globe in a week? Against Griquas, where the Sharks lost by 7 points to a team that wanted it more...help me out here, as I am struggling. Don't get me wrong, having played well throughout the tournament does not guarantee silverware, but I do believe that the team has done themselves proud to get to where they are today. Means nothing without a trophy. I don't think anyone would be expecting a try-fest, as it is a final. Lots of youngsters in both teams, which is great for the future of SA rugby.

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-26 12:39

      As they say in the classics, Rene...whatever floats your boat. The negative of free speech is that even the idiots get a say. I am sure there are people out there who think the same of me, so I guess its all fair in love and war, huh.

      robert.reeve.7564 - 2012-10-26 12:48

      HM, is another "nearly famous" out of his depth like Strauelie an Viljoen waiting for SARU to pay the severence package. Lambie, if not chosen for Bok 10, could also be Bok 15. I want WP to win tomorrow, but one has to admire good material and not waste talent that fits the gap in our bigger picture.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-26 15:05

      @Travie, (see my comment was reported - eish - and deleted), but here's a copy! "LoL Travie, he doesn't have an answer to your question...Hiehiehie, so the comment gets deleted! Typical. Sorry but this is one of the things some of the WP supporters do, they make the 'most questionable comments' and when you query, then you either get attacked by other supporters or they delete their comments"

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-26 17:14

      Travie, what is the weather like there now? And does it look like it is going to rain a lot there tomorrow? Also, Lambie for Bok 10, no question about it.

      TravieGrif - 2012-10-26 22:12

      Rene, I cannot believe that your comment was reported and deleted. That is nothing less than pathetic. Lean, it has been a dry and stunning day today (Friday) so hopefully that lasts, but I believe that the rain is coming back tomorrow. Good luck buddy. I am really looking forward to the game. Love this game!

  • Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-26 09:08

    What a stupid article. It really makes no difference what Lambie does this weekend, if he is not in HM plans as Bok pivot then it really makes no difference! Personally think he should be given a sustained run (think he's a bit slow for fullback) but anybody want to take a wager on who's going to be wearing the No. 10 ?

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-26 09:33

      @Jimmy, Agree with you, the media simply doesn't know when to quit... Also I don't believe Lambie is a fullback, but FH is his position. There is a lot of young up and coming FH's in SA, they just lack a bit of BMT but experience will fix that (hopefully). The future FH's should be Goosen and Lambie - IMHO of course.

      omge.klits - 2012-10-26 10:03

      WP24 reports that "..... Lambie outplayed Steyn when the Sharks defeated the Blue Bulls 20-3 in a Currie Cup semi-final last weekend and large sections of the public and media believe he deserves a chance to wear the No 10 green and gold shirt." Okay thats fine if myopic - But WP24 then goes on to allege: "Meyer begs to differ, saying Lambie needs to improve his tactical kicking, and consistently picks him only as the replacement full-back behind Zane Kirchner." So did they actually speak to HM ? or are they fabricating Heyneke's alleged response to their position. ? Where can we report WP24 to the press ombudsman? - this "article", by misconstruing facts, is clearly meant to further influence the misguided zealots that beleive Lambie "is the best" and to further besmirch the Bok coach in an ongoing campaign.

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-26 10:06

      Hey Rene :) There's a lot of talk about Goosen being the saviour, guess we'll have to wait and see... A bit of a worry must be his injury counts (It's a lot for a young lad). Anyways, who you supporting this weekend?

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-10-26 10:54

      @Jimmy, you should know by now who I will be supporting :):) I hope the Sharks take it, they've been the best CC team by far this season. They've won 7/10 games vs WP's 5/10 games. Let's hope for a good game, no dramas afterwards!

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-26 11:57

      Hahaha... I feel you, weerprobeer just suck a whole bunch! Have a cool weekend :)

  • tang.willemse - 2012-10-26 09:09

    As 'n groot MS fan wens ek hierdie ouens f@k op, maar so baie as wat ek dit haat, moet ek erken, Lambie is besig om een van die bestes op 10 te word!

      jasper.benadie - 2012-10-31 14:10

      What has become of you???

  • aubrey.gloster - 2012-10-26 09:13

    Lambie to eat steak before staking a claim to the games highest stake position? It's lame but Lambies aim is not the same without GAME and it's really a shame that his name will not gain into Heynekes brain as he is prone to Steyn!!!

  • gary.desousa.7 - 2012-10-26 09:27

    I fear he will be the next to leave our shores, messed around like Brent Russel was.

  • grant.callaway.50 - 2012-10-26 09:32

    "Heyneke Meyer will recall Morne Steyn as playmaker" - 'Morne Steyn' and 'playmaker' should not be mentioned in the same ARTICLE, nevermind sentence! "Meyer begs to differ, saying Lambie needs to improve his tactical kicking" - everybody can improve, but Steyn's tactical kicking for the past 2 years has been SHOCKING. In terms of tactical kicking, Lambie out-performs Steyn every time! "Steyn favours lying deep and relying too heavily on often misdirected tactical kicks" - precisely the point!! Steyn relies heavily on ONE thing, and regularly messes up that ONE thing anyway! Seriously - there is just no comparison here. And if HM refuses to acknowledge it, then we should get a new Springbok coach sooner rather than later!

      rboy24 - 2012-10-26 10:50

      Ek stem 100% saam jou,,,,,MS gaan nog toer , en die 1ste choice flyhalf wees, WTF ? ek kyk ma All Blacks Rugby, Meer opwindend, Wie wil nou heeltyd SKOP rugby KYK,,,

      breyneke.dreyer - 2012-10-26 10:52

      You are getting a lot of thumbs down here but you are 100% correct. HM is blind to the limitations of the likes of Steyn, Kirchner and Potgieter.

      omge.klits - 2012-10-26 11:11

      And rboy will watch the Ab's even though stats tell they kicked more than the Boks ? Go on then - apply for a NZ passport . . . will raise the collective IQ on both sides . . . if they take you

      blou.johnny - 2012-10-26 11:29

      ...Heyneke Meyer is the Bok coach.. ...shut up you stupid fools..

      joneethling - 2012-10-26 12:43

      Omge, HM and his buddies have said on TV that there are stats that the All Blacks kick more than the Springboks. Rubbish. They only thing they kick regularly is Springbok backsides. Maybe this is the stat HM is talking about.

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-10-26 12:55

      Yup - the thumbs downs are from Bulls supporters who feel they have to defend their coach! (I would bet blou.johnny had quite a bit to say about PDV, but now all of a sudden the coach can do no wrong!) I like that HM is passionate. I even believe that there's nothing wrong with his gameplan. I just feel like he isn't choosing the best men for the job... partly due to favourtism, and partly due to over-rating of size against skill...

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-26 17:17

      Grant, Willing to bet every single 1 is from the nurse, he has over 40 accounts himself so. :)

  • unclejb.vansiths - 2012-10-26 09:37

    Lambie deservers the Bok no.10 jearsey pity the one dimensional Bok coach doesnt see that. Steyn needs to be shown no one in the team is irreplaceable and that if he wants to get the no.10 jearsey back he needs to work on improving his game and get back to the Steyn of 2009. No doubt Meyer doesnt see it that way though

  • lyle.purchase - 2012-10-26 09:50

    it bongles the mind how HM can still rate MSteyn over Lambie, even on Lambie's worst day he outplays Morne. i have respect for Morne, i really do, but when younger, better player come along, you have to accept it and move aside

      BlouMasjien1 - 2012-10-26 10:25

      It's quite simple ,Plum didn't trust Lambie with the nr10 jersey in The Super 15,but he just proved that he should be the pivot

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-26 10:35

      Not that Plums didn't trust Lambie at 10 during super 15, when Michelak got the oppertunity he was just better and so they went with him. You have to judge players on current form during selection, for province or country, simple.

      omge.klits - 2012-10-26 11:18

      Gary.doyle - so current form takes precedent for you over how a particular player's style of play best contributes to the style of the Bok team ? If you shine in one local game where your team have all the ball - you should be the automatic choice for the national team ?

      gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-26 11:58

      I never said Lambie must walk into the bok team, I said a player must be judged on current form during selection. The original comment made reference to Morne Steyn so I was taking his form into consideration as well and the fact that Lambies form was not good enough during super 15 for him to start for sharks at 10. Steyn was dropped from boks because of poor form and it was clear to see why on saturday. Obviously the coach and other selectors have a bigger picture and criteria to look at in terms of game plans and where they want to be and where they are at the moment. But if a player like Lambie is putting his hand up surely he must be considered as an option.

      grant.callaway.50 - 2012-10-26 13:05

      @Blou - Plum DID trust Lambie at 10. What happened in Super15, is the Sharks had two top-class flyhalves, and no top-class fullbacks. Michelak couldnt play fullback, so both positions were covered by awesome playmakers. It was the same with Ruaan Pienaar. He was best at scrumhalf, but when nobody else was suitable for flyhalf, he was moved to that position, and the 2nd choice scrummie took over. Doesnt mean that anybody ever thought Ruaan was not a good scrummie! @omge - would you rather play an under 13 schoolboy who's style of play is kicking, or a club-level player who's style was running? Tell the running flyhalf to kick, and HE IS STIOLL GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THE SCHOOLBOY! Morne's style might be all about kicking, but for the past 2 years, he has sucked at it ANYWAY! Lambie out-performs Steyn in terms of tactical kicking, even though he's ALSO good at spotting other opportunities! Style means nothing if you arent particularly good with it anyway.

      larry.phelan.77 - 2012-10-26 13:22

      @BlouMasjien, you forget that Lambie was injured fr most of the latter S15 and when he did come back, Michalak was playing so well Plum didnt want to disrupt him. It was not that Lambie played badly, he was drafted into fullback to accomodate two brilliant players (as has been refered to previously).

  • carla.croft.77 - 2012-10-26 09:56

    Good luck, Lambo!

  • jacques.duplessis.3785 - 2012-10-26 10:04

    Hahah really???

  • leonard.bulle - 2012-10-26 10:49

    HM het mos vir MS uit die bokspan gehaal? Goosen is soos Schalk speel 1 wedstryd en is dan uit vir maande. Toe wil die anti Bulls vir Jantjies in sit met Lambie op heel agter! Nou moet lambie no 10 speel, nou wat nou van Jantjies? Jantjies en Lambie het teen NZ sleg gelyk so volgens my is hulle net goeie CC spelers.

  • marc.grondein - 2012-10-26 11:02

    He has nothing 2 prove best fly half in the country already.............

  • martin.botha.5264 - 2012-10-26 11:29

    HM will pick MS to start @ 10, to be fair maybe not a bad call considering MS style does suit the conditions better but I hope Lambie gets a good run in each test and of course hope MS boot is on target. I've got tickets to Boks v Scotland, please boys - don't underestimate the Scots, we know what happened a few seasons ago and I was at the game - damn, still have nightmares - Good luck Boks, look forward to seeing you again.

      niel.walt - 2012-10-26 12:15

      Cc semi final 2011 soaking wet, lambie vs steyn, lambie man of the match, cc semi 2012 soaking wet, lambie vs steyn, lambie man of the match. The conditions excuse doesn't work, lambie knows how to play in them.

      martin.botha.5264 - 2012-10-26 13:22

      Niel, hear what your saying and good argument - don't get me wrong, I'm a Sharks and Lambie fan and I'm sure he'll do well if given the nod - when refering to conditions I mean the slower freezing rugby grounds - Remember MS and Lambie playing the last game against Scotland, didn't work out too well for us that day, MS had a below par game and Lambie didn't fair any better - The Scots are passionate when playing at Murrayfield and if the weather is anything near what we experienced that night in 2010 then the Boks best be up for it - Go Boks!!

      niel.walt - 2012-10-26 18:47

      Why are we even caring about scotland? Seriously. U know there's a problem in bok rugby if they worry about the scots

  • nagou.grote - 2012-10-26 12:24

    Persoonlik sal ek Morne los by die huis. Die rede hoekom ek dit se is, die man is moeg. Hy het vir hoeveel jaar die Sprinbokke gedra, en a man kan net soveel doen. Laat hy op sy eie tyd, die lus om rugby te speel weer terug kry. Ek wil sommer ook De Villiers ook in die kampie sit, hy is kaptein, maar moet rus, hy het gans te veel rugby gespeel die jaar. En dit is duidelik sigbaar op die veld.

  • beau.schoeman - 2012-10-26 13:00

    Never doubted Lambie's ability. Unfortunately this young talented player with incredible vision and complete flyhalf has been overlooked. Someone like Kirchner is not worthy of his no.15 jersey. Allow Lambie to become a specialized flyhalf. Let's see what happens and hope that it will make us proud.

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-26 13:00

    Lambie's style of rugby will be better suited on a dry pitch and he might battle in UK conditions. I hope he succeeds in the wet as nothing improves a player more than lots of competition between players.

  • conray.joseph.7 - 2012-10-26 13:19

    Funny how after one poor game Elton Jantjies( arguably the best SA flyhalf in domestic cups over the past Year or so) is not even mentioned in an article about springbok Flyhalfs.On the other hand, its also interesting that after 1 good game(where after he was chosen as man of the match by his buddy matfield) Morne is suddenly considered as having regained his place in the bok squad. Lambie is brilliant and shouldve been 10 during the last year of PdV's reign allready! We finally have 2 Flyhalfs in jantjies and Lambie,who is experienced and attacking flyhalfs to choose from.Rotate then durin the tour let them play it out for the top spot goose is one for the future,no doubt he has great potential. However he hasn't done anything,that the other 2 mentioned above haven't allready achieved and as such in my view still needs to earn the right to wear the bok jersey.

  • Skwertno1 - 2012-10-26 13:19

    As far as I'm concerned it should be Lambie all the way, and this from a Stormers fan, MS shouldn't even feature, I'd rather pick Butch before MS..... and HM says "Meyer begs to differ, saying Lambie needs to improve his tactical kicking, and consistently picks him only as the replacement full-back behind Zane Kirchner. That's another 1 who should never have played in G&G.... #justsaying #dontwantorneedanypinkladycommentsthanks

      roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-26 14:29

      What Heynke Meyer is basically saying is : If I can pick all the Bulls to play I would do so He does not keep in mind that there are many young players who deserve to be given a chance,Lambie & Elton Jantjies come to mind,and that he cannot depend on "experience" to win matches if he keeps using Morne Steyn & Zane Kirchener.

  • wayne.jacobs.374 - 2012-10-26 13:23

    I THINK HEINEKE WILL CHOOSE MORNE AGAIN AND LAMBIE ON THE BENCH.HE'LL PROBABLY SPIN A STORY ABOUT THE CONDITIONS SUITING MORNE BETTER(BULLS***).

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-26 13:55

    Wish that Heynke Meyer will take note of this if he should read these comments "somewhere" Morne Steyn should not be considered even for the bench. Use Jantjies off the bench

  • werner.hayward - 2012-10-26 14:22

    I am between a rock an a hard place. I want lambie to have a great final to get him the No 10 bok jersey that he deserves but I need him to play crap for WP to win!

  • mahomedrafeek.goolam - 2012-10-26 14:43

    Lets select the best for the national team and at this moment it is Lambie and Elton. Elton can come off the bench. Why HM insists on Morne' is anyones guess. Lets hope he comes to his senses and chooses the form players..

  • hendrick.theron - 2012-10-26 16:21

    lambie is a far more superior fly half than morne steyn and jantjie and goosen put together hes almost up ther with cruden and carter hes defensive game and attacking game is on point as for the tactical kicking goes rugby is now evolving once again to a more ball in hand type of game with quicker offloads and less kicking away the possession so lambie is the perfect all round flyhalf the boks need and meyer should consider louis ludik at fullback and meyer bosman at centre finish and klaar

      lean.sadie - 2012-10-26 17:19

      Agree with everything, except Meyer bosman, he is definately not the answer at centre, can think of at least 5 better lol.

      niel.walt - 2012-10-26 18:41

      Lambie fetish much?

  • Sammy Willow - 2012-10-26 16:46

    agreed with lambie and ludick but not bosman, Whitehead

  • anton.vonvielig - 2012-10-26 21:35

    People, HM is not stupid, he knows shampoo man is the best for the bok no 10 jersey, he is playing the field to make the other okes hungry for that spot, just like he played the lock positions etc. Relax, enjoy the fun to the next world cup, and see how we kick the pommie ass in the final ( AB's will choke again in the semis)

  • nkambazyofaninikuphelidakwa.chiliza - 2012-10-26 23:28

    Myb HM want lambie 2 play for cows then he wil select him. Rubbish!

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