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City, Sharks in move talks

2012-08-02 14:33

Durban - EThekwini municipal manager Sbu Sithole will approach the Sharks to open discussions about the rugby team possibly moving to the Moses Mabhida Stadium, the Mercury reported on Thursday.

The team, which is based at the Kings Park stadium, has been in negotiations with the municipality over the years, but they have been unable to reach an agreement.

In November 2010, the Sharks said on their website that the eThekwini municipality had not been able to provide an incentive for the team to move to the new Moses Mabhida Stadium.

It had also been unable to demonstrate that The Sharks (Pty) Ltd would not be worse off if it relocated.

According to the Mercury, the SA Rugby Union (Saru) blamed the failure to reach an agreement on a breakdown in the relationship between former municipal manager Michael Sutcliffe, Sharks CEO Brian van Zyl and Saru president Oregan Hoskins.

Sithole said he had proposed that the Sharks be formally and officially approached to start negotiations about the use of the stadium.

"This will help in finalising the plans for the entire sporting precinct around Moses Mabhida," he said.

The city was eager to get the Sharks as a tenant as the stadium was costly to maintain and was hardly used except for the occasional soccer match.

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Comments
  • bjorn.bischoff.52 - 2012-08-02 14:44

    and leave our beloved Shark tank standing empty..please..the tank has the best atmosphere of all the rugby stadiums in the country

      gregmcdavid - 2012-08-02 14:47

      the best atmosphere, until it falls down, which will be any now. That place is an accident waiting to happen.

      WilsoWill - 2012-08-02 15:02

      Greg, why do say that?

      lindy.leroux - 2012-08-02 15:06

      Greg, have you even been to the Shark Tank yet??? Why don't they move The Bulls to Soweto??? " J "

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-02 15:08

      You can see the new stadium for the Sharks from the existing stadium. Soweto cannot be seen from Loftus

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 15:43

      Bjorn, come on man, we all agree that Newlands got the best atmoshere around :-P Hey I agree Shark tank is awesome... great stadium!! Ja Greg we all know that the place is a accident waiting to happen for any Bulls team traveling there.

      trompie.jonck - 2012-08-02 15:45

      Why should I as a sharks fan give up my traditions and history for a new staduim? My father took me to my first rugby game @ kings park when I was 6 and i wanna take my son to his first game there as well!!! \r\n\r\nIt is stupid to give up so much history and tradition just coz the powers that be can't afford to maintain there posh staduim!

      TravieGrif - 2012-08-02 15:58

      As a born and bred Durbanite and avid Shark fan, I would have no problem moving next door to the Moses Mabida stadium. It is an amazing venue, and it is certainly would improve viewing for spectators. I have heard from a few in the Civil Engineering industry that the Shark Tank has limited life left. The new stadium is magnificent, and it would be great if some revenue could be generated for it, rather than standing unused.

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 16:11

      Integrity probably limited to its current structure, 50 years, 100 maybe 200 years? Hey you can always just as easily renovate it... (whisper) we have the technology.

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-08-02 16:28

      Why don't Amazulu play at the Moses Mabida stadium and leave Kings Park as it is?

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-02 17:14

      EThekwini municipal manager Sbu Sithole will approach the Sharks to open discussions about the rugby team possibly moving to the Moses Mabhida Stadium, the Mercury reported on Thursday. They haven't even approached them yet and are going to open discussions. I suggest you take this poor article with a grain of pepper. The talks are not open until the Sharks actually accept an offer to talk about it. Right now it is reported that someone will approach someone else to open talks. Talk about making a mountain out of a Mohamed

      japjapjap.wat - 2012-08-03 10:27

      ja dis 'n goeie plan om te skuif en di anc & ancyl se absolute gemors & twak aanjaag in di land te ondersteun?? wat gaan ons julle nou noem?? di klein mabidakies of di tsotsies of di terrie-terroriste??

  • david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-08-02 14:47

    We're two days away from an epic final...do we have to deal with this now???

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-08-02 15:24

      I know it's the furtherest thing from the players minds, but still what a stupid time to bring it up.

  • byron.wright.102 - 2012-08-02 14:47

    I have been to Moses Mabidha and wont be renewing my season tickets to sit that far from the game. Its like a live event for atmosphere but like watching on a 37cm tv for view

  • deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-02 15:02

    Bou sokker stadiums en dan moet ons ons geriewe opoffer vir julle gemors?? Julle moes daaraan gedink het voor julle die sokker 2010 wou aanbied! Ek praat nie nou net van ons nie, maar dieselfde geld vir al die stadium oor SA wat nou skielik moet skuif. Sort julle eie gemors uit, of nee wag, ons sal seker nou meer belasting moet betaal! Losers!

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 15:44

      Lol Deon, die enigste dinkwerk betrokke was die bouplanne.

      deon.fouche.3 - 2012-08-03 09:25

      Dirk, goed gesê! lol. kom ons hoop hulle het wel daaroor gedink en dat iemand nie vir hulle die dinkwerk gedoen het nie!

  • tracer1717 - 2012-08-02 15:19

    It makes sense to do this. We need to turn this area into a sport development precint for football and rugby academies/ schools of excellence. i agree that we will be sitting far away from the action but it could work. this needs to be done properly as all sides of the coin need to be consulted as well as the public. the shark tank can be turned into a world class area sporting wise. this should work for newlands/ city of cape town stadium this is going to be interesting.

  • russel.lunt - 2012-08-02 15:21

    Um? The fact that the stadium is not fully enclosed seems to escape the notice of non-rugby fans whenever Moses Mabhida comes up.

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-08-02 15:27

    SAFA wanted to build these massive stadiums after people protested about it becoming a white elephant after the soccer world cup, but as usual you thought you knew better. Just leave the rugby teams alone with there stadiums. When people talk of the Shark Tank, Loftus, Newlands and Ellis Park everyone knows them and there is alot of history in those stadiums. SAFA wanted to waste money on these stadiums then they must deal with it and put there own money into maintaining them.

      christian.denyschen - 2012-08-02 15:43

      The history of the stadium is why the morons want to move them.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-08-02 15:47

      That is also very true

      gavin.simpson.0 - 2012-08-02 15:51

      morons indeed!

      normbails - 2012-08-02 16:33

      Yip just like the new airport they built! Total waste of money!!!

  • gregory.f.dean - 2012-08-02 15:51

    Of course the City would like the Sharks to move to the new stadium, which is costing an arm and a leg to maintain and to payoff. The city factored into their original feasibility studies that the Sharks would simply be part of the future. Perhaps that should have been finalised before the decision was taken to build. poor planning and dcision making!

  • denese.newby - 2012-08-02 15:53

    WHAT A STUPID IDEA. THE MOSES MABIDA STADIUM WAS NOT BUILT WITH THE SHARKS AND THEIR SUPPORTERS IN MIND. NOT ENOUGH PARKING, SIT TOO FAR FROM STADIUM, NOT THE SAME ATMOSPHERE AS KING'S PARK

      mike.barmby - 2012-08-02 17:12

      How far do you sit from the stadium? I don't understand that point

      ross.holloway.73 - 2012-08-02 18:52

      Denese means that it's too far away from the action on the park, which is true. The seats are way closer at Kings Park

  • dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 16:00

    Step 1: Sharks win the Super trophy!!! Step 2: Demolish Moses Mabhida Stadium Step 3: Build a statue of Moses Mabhida There you go, everybody happy :)

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-02 16:11

      @ Dirk welkom terug, jy was lank stil ?

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 16:14

      Yo maakdiebulle, ja hopeloos te lank, het baie uitgemis. Hoe gaan dit daar?

      maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-02 16:26

      Gaan goed dankie, Lekker dag verder

  • maakdiebulle.almalbokke - 2012-08-02 16:01

    The Shark tank is paid for,why would anyone in his right mind give it up ?

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-08-03 09:19

      The main problem is the cost of soccer tickets compared to rugby tickets. You couldn't give soccer tickets away and therefore no revenue received, on the otherhand rugby tickets are costing and arm and a leg and good old Moses wants a piece of the pie because he has 23 very expensive wives to look after and its now the problem of the rugby fans, do read between the lines....

  • arthur.adams.988 - 2012-08-02 16:10

    If the Sharks or the WP management were so against moving they would have told the municipalities where to get off, but they are not, they are willing to negotiate. DO they know something their supporter don’t......

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-08-02 16:18

      Just goood manners, kindly decline the proposal after some tea and those cheese scones.. always a winner.

  • Kelly Crause Taylor - 2012-08-02 16:54

    I am a huge Sharks supporter who used to enjoy the braai's on the field before the game, the pubs around the stadium are plenty and nothing beats a full Tank on match day... Moved to Cape Town 4 years ago and the atmosphere at Newlands is at another level all together... there is certainly room for improvement at Newlands but i fear that moving the stadiums is not the answer!! P*ss Poor Planning = P*ss Poor Performance! why should this all fall on the shoulders of the very successful franchises!!v??

  • enlightened.bowman - 2012-08-02 17:31

    Greg; K-K man. Bet you have never been there!

  • bfvillet - 2012-08-02 17:32

    your ugly stadium is mostly empty it is a shame that international sport has to be played there please move

  • tom.tardis.9 - 2012-08-02 17:43

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  • paddy.pereira - 2012-08-02 17:51

    Why would NRU move from Kings Park in the first place . They own it . Which other franchises own their own stadium . There would have to be a major incentive and I strongly suspect the majority of the residents not in proximity to KP subscribe to the indipe syndrome and dont even pay rates , so they should not even be considered . No major incentive - no move and BTW , where would all the braais be after the game . The "Moses Two Oceans" does not have a perimenter including 14 rugby fields

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-08-03 09:22

      Exactly, no braai area, go get f%&ked.

  • mkulu.mkulu - 2012-08-02 18:23

    NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-02 18:36

    I think it will be short discussion. Welcome to the White Elephants build by FIFA...you were warned ANC...but then again you do not care you corrupt cnts. Brian van Zyl, we have all the faith that you will do the right thing.

  • Michael - 2012-08-02 18:51

    Let the rugby supporters decide weather we want to move across to the soccer stadium. Oregan Hoskins tried the same line; saying, at a chamber talk in Pitermaritzburg two years ago, that the stadium being in a state of disrepair, the Sharks would do well to move across. I was present at the talk and sat next to the jouranlist who reported the story. I have it on good authority that it's not going to happen any time soon. If I am forced to move against my will, I will give up my season tickets and parking ticket and watch on TV. Having walked into the stadium for the first time in 1975, when I was still a school boy.

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-02 20:42

      It's all about passing the buck to the minority... Kings Park can never be replaced, and although there might be an element of excitement to watch a game across the road, it will never have the same atmosphere or legacy...they used to race hot rods there for crying out loud. Why don't they let the soccer federation take it over? Offcourse not, it's a bloody hot potato right now.

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-08-02 20:05

    Should have moved long ago, stadium needs lots of work. Rugby will be better served.

  • skinfaxi.mordor - 2012-08-02 22:31

    I have spoken to opposing players who have played at the Shark tank and they say that because the incline is so steep it feels as though the crowd is right on top of you and it is very intimidating for the away team. It would be a shame to lose that advantage.

      hans.himmler.7 - 2012-08-03 07:19

      I recall mid 90's they upgraded the Park, and many was unhappy with the seats. They announced that if need be, they would remove the chairs, as it's the chairs that's actually causing the lack of space.

  • lyle.purchase - 2012-08-03 11:10

    i read an article of an interview on international rugby refs and Kings Park was stated as one of the most intimadating stadiums in the world due to how close the seats are to the game and the incline, to me, that's a Pro. i don't want to watch a game at Moses and have to bring along some binoculars!!

      ahmed.r.shaik - 2012-08-04 09:08

      Another reason why negotiations have not materialised is because of company sponsored box seats and advertising MM not willing to have box seats as far as i know

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