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Bryce Lawrence retires

2012-10-16 13:50

Cape Town - Bryce Lawrence has pulled the plug on his career after his 200th first-class match in charge.

According to the Bay of Plenty Times website, Lawrence became the fourth Kiwi to reach the mark after Paddy O'Brien (221 matches), Paul Honiss (220) and Steve Walsh (210) and will take up a role as the New Zealand Rugby Union high-performance referee reviewer.

Lawrence has been in charge of 25 Tests, been involved in two Rugby World Cup tournaments, 60 Super Rugby matches, including last year's final.

Retirement was forced on Lawrence after the vitriol he suffered from the fall-out after the Springboks' loss to the Wallabies in the quarter-finals at last year's Rugby World Cup.

"It got pretty bad," Lawrence said. "Not really threats on my family as such, there was a concern, but it was mainly aimed at me through social media. On Facebook they launched a 'get rid of Bryce Lawrence' site and it was pretty nasty.

"That was absolutely the reason for my career change.

"I got told at the end of the World Cup that I would have a break from Test rugby for the Six Nations and I could totally accept that as there has to be a consequence for poor performance.

"I was told I would be brought back in the middle of this year, as I was ranked in the top three or four referees in the world. But because of the political reaction from rugby unions like Australia and South Africa behind the scenes, they dropped me.

"SANZAR used me but not in South Africa, so eventually they said it was getting tough having you in the draw, because we have to keep making changes to keep you in the system when you are not going to South Africa, so see you later. So I knew I was not able to referee at the level I needed to be re-contracted, really - all because of that one game."

Lawrence is refreshingly honest in his appraisal of his performance on that fateful night in Wellington last year and admits outside pressure was a factor.

"I went into the game knowing it was a massive match and I didn't want to overly influence the outcome and that was in the back of my mind. The way that transpired was I didn't make decisions and if I had my time again I would just go out there and do what I normally do, which is just referee and back myself.

"I had four really good games at the World Cup and then I had that. I had outside pressure from pretty senior people from rugby countries behind the scenes that really created my mindset of lacking confidence to deliver what I normally do.

"There was some pretty nasty political stuff going on about that appointment. I refereed Australia versus Ireland and Ireland had won but behind the scenes guys like (Australian chief executive) John O'Neill were kicking up a massive stink. I knew a bit about that and it was enough to affect me, and it probably made me freeze on the biggest stage."

Lawrence admits that was not the first time he had been affected by external pressure getting to him. "At last year's Super Rugby final between Crusaders and Reds there was massive media pressure around me being a non-neutral referee and I let that affect me going into that game. Again, I didn't make decisions and let the outside pressure change what I do."

Lawrence starts his new role in January.

"It will be a big change, as I have had 10 years basically running myself and now I will be working for the NZRU reviewing, coaching and selecting referees. I am keen to do it but it is something that might just take me a while to find my feet."

The undoubted career highlight for him was the first Test between the Springboks and the British and Irish Lions in Durban in 2009.

"This clash between two heavyweights was my biggest appointment and probably my best ever performance at this level. I felt great going into the game and certainly was well prepared. The match had a huge atmosphere but throughout the 80 minutes I felt at peace and in the zone.

"My performance got huge feedback from players and rugby people. I felt proud that my peers recognised it as a top international performance. My bosses at the IRB and NZRU all agreed I'd had a good day at the office, which was very satisfying."

Meanwhile, fellow New Zealand referees Vinny Munro and Keith Brown will also step down from refereeing at the conclusion of this year's ITM Cup.

HAVE YOUR SAY: Will you be sad to see Bryce Lawrence retire? Was the fall-out he endured following the Boks' RWC defeat to Australia, fair? Send your thoughts to Sport24.

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Comments
  • bergie.sean - 2012-10-16 13:57

    Whoever started the Get Rid of Bryce Lawrence site, take a bow. Your excellent work is appreciated.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-10-16 14:36

      Amen to that!

      spyker.oflanagan - 2012-10-16 14:45

      Dis n plesier. Ek is bly ek kon help.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:01

      Yeah - thanks for getting rid of this gawdelpus of a ref . . . .

      henk.jacobs.39 - 2012-10-17 05:55

      Ek kan nie glo daai page het so goed gewerk nie! Well done!!!!

  • jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-16 14:00

    Dankie tog!!!

  • morne.vandyk.58 - 2012-10-16 14:01

    So what the hell does it help us now that you admit at being a complete and utter idiot. All that will now happen is you will help employ more brain dead stupid NZ refs.

      gsaker1 - 2012-10-16 15:22

      The guy rated as the best referee of all time by X-Players - including SA - and his peers dickhead is a Kiwi- Paddy O'Brien so get over yrself..

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 16:16

      Maybe we shouldnt be to critical of the guy - remember he was trained by the great Paddy O'Brien himself . . . and that's big footsteps to fill . . . . .

      croix.mactee - 2012-10-16 19:44

      @press Maybe that should read "foolsteps"?

  • jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-16 14:02

    His face said it all, Please Bakkies man dont donner me!!!

      croix.mactee - 2012-10-16 19:45

      Yep, what a pissy-faced, whiney-assed son of a thousand sheep-farmers!

  • morne.vandyk.58 - 2012-10-16 14:04

    The face of someone who just realized the smell of crap is himself.

  • arno.coetzee - 2012-10-16 14:04

    its about time...

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:07

      Well - at least he came clean by admitting "behind the scenes guys like (Australian chief executive) John O'Neill were kicking up a massive stink. I knew a bit about that and it was enough to affect me, and it probably made me freeze on the biggest stage." Convict O'Neil must have seen this coming - thats why he made an early exit . . . . and lily liver'd SARU will probably not request the IRB to investigate O'Neils criminal behaviour in this matter. How can teh IRB allow these guys near the refs and say the refs are neutral. Now this stinks even more Lets start a "Get O'Neil website"

      hannesenbrianda - 2012-10-16 15:37

      O'Neal already left

  • Alan - 2012-10-16 14:05

    YES YES YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

      braam.groenewald.39 - 2012-10-16 14:17

      NBS!!!!!!

  • deon.louwrens - 2012-10-16 14:05

    ... why did it take you so LOOOOONG to figure this one out, Brycie?

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-10-16 14:07

    aahh so sad to see him go..maybe he can go and coach..how to be a bad ref!!!

  • BoyvandieSuburbs - 2012-10-16 14:15

    LAM HOND

      BoyvandieSuburbs - 2012-10-16 14:23

      "...I didn't want to overly influence the outcome..." That's admitting that you wanted to influence the outcome, just not overly.

  • thabiso.letlhabane - 2012-10-16 14:19

    there is a God..........

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-10-16 14:36

      Amen to that, too!

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:10

      Would have helped if he turned up on the night though . . . . . . . Dont you think ? A strategically placed lightning stike perhaps ?

      macziekpk - 2012-10-16 16:56

      .....and his name is InZane Hitman Ironman Kirchner

  • wesley.rousseau.58 - 2012-10-16 14:23

    I think we should accept his apology, he had a bad performance and knowing what we know now, I thinks it's time we understand, accept and forgive, goodluck bryce

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-10-16 15:11

      None of us know Bryce as a person, he could be the nicest guy for all we know. I'm glad he is gone as he wasn't up for it, clearly. However, credit where it's due. he has at least come clean and admitted that he had a stinker that game. Where accountability in rugby is so rare, some credit to Bryce. Being NZ's high performance referee reviewer smacks of irony though. However, it's been a year already, let's move on.

      apart1heid - 2012-10-16 15:37

      ...and give back the bribe money and point out the people who ask him to turn 2 blind eyes and speak out about other corrups referees and IRB members and stop mocking weepee rugby??

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 22:48

      hey . . . . now you going to far . . . suggesting wp plays rugby . . . . . not that twiddlytoe midget stuff . . . . . it ain't rugby . . . . . . more like a night at the ballet . . . . .

  • erich.goosen - 2012-10-16 14:23

    'High-performance referee reviewer'? That is tantamount to make Ju-Ju the spokesperson for the Drive Alive campaign, the Great Spear chairperson of the Assosiation for Smaller Families, JM the Chairman of the Chamber of Mines and Winnie the Presiding Officer who is responsible to check regular attendance of Parliamentarions.

  • hakuna.jina - 2012-10-16 14:24

    I still believe the biggest outside factor was MONEY. I am pleased that there are consequences for that and other refs can see that they can end their own careers by taking bribes and determining the outcome of important rugby games. This is very good news.

      gsaker1 - 2012-10-16 15:30

      Oh for pities sake get over the stupid and really dumb conspiracy theories - u could not have got a more honest self reflection than the one he has given...It takes guts to admit the outside pressure got to you and you didn't referee the way you could have and should have...give the guy some credit for being honest instead crapping on about bribes with absolutely no friggen prove whatsoever except it suits yr own stupid needs to accuse him of that - grow up and get a life...so he stuffed up - he has admitted it and tried to explain it ...hes human and like all of us the pressure get to him....he stuffed up - he's not the first and won't be the last - just accept it and move on

      davidj878 - 2012-10-16 15:38

      @ gsaker1: I fully agree with you, but it took him more than a year to apologise. He should have apologised after the match between Australia and South Africa, even a week later would have been acceptable. Why now? Her really sucked as a Ref… At Bryce Lawrence level, he should not have been affected with outside rumours or so called pressure statements. If you cannot ref at international level under pressure then don't. There's a saying "If you want to play with the big boys, don't piss like a puppy" I’m happy to say that Bryce won’t be missed at the international scene :)

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-16 17:07

      Hey gatsaker1 aka Bryce, you can move on as much as you want. In fact , please move as fast as you can, very far,far away. Rugby is our favorite sport. Imagine someone cheating you when you go to the masturbating world cup. You would feel the same when someone make you come up short.

      bootman.bokke - 2012-10-16 17:57

      Audrey stop being a twat. The fact is, the Boks didnt deserve to win that game. Yes Bryce made a few dodgy calls, but they went both ways. Bok fans should stop wollowing in self pity and get on with their lives. Typical South African mentality..............always looking for someone to blame. Its Bryce's fault, it's the ANC's fault, It's Saru's fault. Booooo Hooo Hoooo. Tissue anyone?

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 22:51

      @bootman - yes his calls went both ways - O'neills way and his way - cant you read . . . .or just mentally slow . . . dont want to use the word retarded in this context . . . . might offend the genuine product . . .

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-17 03:00

      @bootman Go read the article again. Use a dictionary to help you with the big words. I haven't blamed anyone for any other loss,just this one. By the way, just cause you say it's a fact, doesn't make it one. All across the world, referees, ex players and fans said he made dodgy calls mostly our way. If you didn't see them, maybe you should choose a new sport to watch. And yeah, I have a south african mentality. What kind do you have?

  • adrianlestersm - 2012-10-16 14:39

    Which ever way you cut it - he's a k^k ref. If he felt the pressure was getting to him, he should have had the balls & the brains to have withdrawn from the match. However it basically confirms my suspicions that the Ozzie managment targeted Lawrence as a weak ref because without him they didn't stand a chance.

  • adrianlestersm - 2012-10-16 14:41

    Which ever way you cut it, he's still a k^k ref. If he wasn't able to handle the pressure, he should have withdrawn from the game. His comments do however confirm my suspicion that the Ozzy management targeted him knowing he was a weak ref, and without influencing him the Ozzy's wouldn't have had a chance!!

  • Rense Loopstra - 2012-10-16 14:42

    High time and good riddance

  • johan.viljoen.925 - 2012-10-16 14:43

    What, are the ABs mad?

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:16

      Peter Principle - BL has now risen to his maximum level of incompetence

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-16 15:18

      Um, you guys have been calling for his head (deservedly so) for a year... Richie McCaw calls him an idiot and 1 week later...Gone!

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:27

      So why did it take the idiot McCaw so long . . . .?

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-16 15:34

      To busy playing rugby... more than can be said of you Spies!

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-16 15:37

      Besides with your hatred towards the AB's you certainly don't need their input or assistance. Idiot!

      etienne.smit - 2012-10-16 15:47

      Hatred towards the AB is a strong word. we do Hate losing against them but we do accept there are no easy games and we respect them more than any other rugby nation on the planet. If I got the chance to play only 1 test I would pick the AB's. I also believe the feeling is mutual

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 15:50

      I hate the All Black gawdelpus's . . . . .

      jaco.groenewald.731 - 2012-10-16 16:04

      Jim please ask Richy to call JdV a IDIOT!!!

      henk.jacobs.39 - 2012-10-17 11:06

      Jimmy, while your asking about JdV also ask him if he can call the Watson's and the Kings idiots as well!

  • anele.cweya - 2012-10-16 14:44

    Braai(ice) Lawnosense!!!!

      macziekpk - 2012-10-16 16:58

      That was truly a pathetic attempt, worse than chris in oz

  • njabulo.jama.5 - 2012-10-16 14:57

    I'd still love to open up a can of whipass on this fool

      macziekpk - 2012-10-16 16:59

      Where do you buy those and do you use a normal can opener?

  • Delacruise01 - 2012-10-16 15:03

    The thing that is so ironic is the fact that the one man who had one of the worst track records as a ref is going to rate other refs on their performances

      macziekpk - 2012-10-16 16:59

      Wow, I never picked that up, thanks for stating the obvious

  • edwardsch - 2012-10-16 15:03

    Good bye fool. His job is to educate future refs on how NOT to referee a match. Instruction to would-be refs in his class: Do exactly the opposite of what this idiot says and the game will be blown fairly !!!!!!!!!!!!

  • roy.wadhams.1 - 2012-10-16 15:06

    Good,another crook retires. Now he will make a lot of money out of a biography he intends writing and in this he will admit that he crooked us out of the RWC that the Boks could possibly have won. Hope he does not teach the future coaches and referees to "watch" the Boks one day when they start their careers.

  • dilshaad.dharsey - 2012-10-16 15:12

    Good riddance!

  • kaptein.spies - 2012-10-16 15:18

    Kyk hy was sleg, maar nooit ooit so idioties pateties as Mark Lawrence of Marius Plonker en selfs Kaplan. Ons WP gekontrakteerde refs, tussen die 3 idiotjies het hulle 6 games vir die Stormers op 'n skinkbord gegee. Gelukkig is die goed to so pateties dat hulle nie ' Sharks span kon wen wat omtrent 5 keer in 3 weke om die wereld gevlieg het nie. JOKERS OF WORLD RUGBY

      clivegoss - 2012-10-16 15:41

      Kaptein Spies jy is vol stront, en boonop geen benul van rugby nie. Kyk sokker in die vervolg

      apart1heid - 2012-10-16 15:47

      @Spies- moet opkom vir Marius, ek hou van hom,... hy laat di wedstryd lank vloei en is regverdig?? maar di ander 2 was ook by bryce se skool vir blinde & dowe skelms met 'n fluitjie??

      kaptein.spies - 2012-10-16 16:05

      @clive Hou jou bek, jy kom nie die raskaart hier speel nie hoor jy! Ek laat vir jou toesluit

      gswart1 - 2012-10-16 16:16

      @kaptein hou jou bek vir n slag jy weet nie waarvan jy praat nie. Marius Jonker is vriende met baie bulls spelers en braai gereeld saam hulle. Jy dink jy is beter as almal en dink die son skyn uit jou gat uit maar jy is f@k@l werd nie. Dis mense soos jy waar die attendance op jou begrafnis eendag n groot ronde nul sal wees. Next please.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 17:04

      @gswart1 - Voorspel jy gaan Saterdag op cocacolapark die perfekte dag beleef as die leeus die WP klap - slegte nuus: 'n hartaanval goeie nuus : met baie mense by jou afsterwe . . . . .

      kaptein.spies - 2012-10-16 17:22

      @gswart Ek dink dit nie, ek weet dit. Jy is en sal altyd my b@#ch wees. Next

      gswart1 - 2012-10-16 17:48

      Wow is dit die beste comebacks waarmee julle kan opkom. Geen wonder bloubul ondersteuners staan bekend as die domste mense onder die son nie. Julle 2 is die cherrie op die koek. Kom ek maak dit net plain and simple. Kom ons praat na die CC. As die WP moet verloor, wat tog nie gaan gebeur nie, dan kan julle aanhou kerm soos julle wil en julself in n koma in suip van blydskap. Maar as die WP wen dan hou julle bietjie jul groot bekke vir n slag. Deal?

      kaptein.spies - 2012-10-16 18:48

      @gswart met hul 11jr geskiedenis weet almal wat gaan gebeur: Chokedie choke choke next

  • Carlo Johann Oerson - 2012-10-16 15:24

    What Took da Crook Anyway So Long, MxM....Ek rak sommr weer va voor af di M••R - IN!!!

      macziekpk - 2012-10-16 17:03

      Please mxmplain the meaning of this stupid word I see used by the mxit generation...does it mean -10 in roman numerals?

  • mack.myburgh - 2012-10-16 15:27

    Its over now...lets all move on

      david.s.duncan.1 - 2012-10-16 15:47

      One thing we can take away from that game is that we need to learn to adapt better. There has not been enough brain in SA rugby through the years. Instead of realising that stage fright had gotten a firm grip on Bryce and adapt, we kept to the script and look where that got us.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 22:56

      We can can off course also learn to do it the Aussie way - swing the ref . . . . . .

  • munro.pretorius - 2012-10-16 15:27

    Hopefully Piet van Zyl will get him one day....Even on a tar road will be fine for me....

  • robert.p.gemmell - 2012-10-16 15:29

    This man should not be involved in any form of rugby nothing nothing nothnig he is a blind bat who cheated to help New Zealand win the world cup good riddance

  • gregory.f.dean - 2012-10-16 15:32

    Good Riddance. He should not be allowed to have anything to do with rugby officiating.

  • catcus1 - 2012-10-16 15:42

    Retire - CHEATING CROOK - Don't come holiday here - we will not gorget that you ROBBED SA of the world cup. Voetsek !

  • brendon.ribeiro.338 - 2012-10-16 15:59

    May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your armpits for eternity.good riddens and hope you visit SA very soon.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 16:04

      That's a nice wish.

  • tommy.rinrin - 2012-10-16 16:11

    more lik bryce lawrence realises he can't ref after 200 tests

  • merven.halo - 2012-10-16 16:15

    "now I will be working for the NZRU reviewing, coaching and selecting referees" What is worse than a idiot ref? A bunch of idiot refs!

  • paul.korb.9 - 2012-10-16 16:23

    Piss off! you A Hole! Sorry came to late for 15 dedicated rugby players! and on A.H. we wont miss your sorry ass!

  • moses.govender.7 - 2012-10-16 16:45

    Just 200 games too late ****hole!!!!

  • lee.naidoo.10 - 2012-10-16 16:56

    Good riddance!

  • hendrik.schutte.3152 - 2012-10-16 17:02

    GREAT, now we must just hope that the misfit does not decide to stage a "come back". the door must remain tightly closed to him.

  • calvin.cona - 2012-10-16 17:11

    Da best news now u want to speak out u was a DISGRACE FOR RUGBY KIWI IDIOT

  • Derick.kleyn - 2012-10-16 17:31

    Saru should pull out of this whole sanzar agreement,how many former tri nations matches and super rubgby matches were not influenced by bad refereeing?and now also how many outside influences were invlovled in sa vs nz/aus matches?this is bs that's going to continue for a long time unless saru acts.a nz referee for a aus vs sa match knowing the winner faces nz!there were english and french refs that could have been used for the game.it was all well thought out and planned.

  • malcolm.j.patterson.1 - 2012-10-16 17:57

    Stop making excuses, you're a cheat and you know it, all the wrong decisions you made went only one way. Here in SA I doubt they'd allow you to ref a junior school game. And yes I'm sure you were compensated handsomely as that was a career breaking performance.

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 22:21

      If all the decisions only went one way, how did SA miss two penalty shots at goal?

  • mahomedrafeek.goolam - 2012-10-16 18:00

    Good riddance of bad rubbish. That useless Kiwi gave the World Cup to his country men or maybe he was paid to do so,who know's with all the corruption going on in sport. NO ways was the Bokke going to be beaten by the Kiwis in the Final. GO to Hell,do not pass SA,go straight to Hell,AaaSsss.hole.

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-16 18:44

      Just like they were going to thrash us last Saturday!!! (He was a sh@t ref, not arguing that point however)

      mahomedrafeek.goolam - 2012-10-16 19:32

      Last saturdays side was not in that semi final. HM was not the coach and jhon Smit was the captain. I rest my case.

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-16 20:16

      Same difference, that side wasn't as great as you may think. AB's were lacking DC but I think JS was more of a let down at that stage. Don't get me wrong, what bryce lawrance did was disgraceful but that dosn't mean you would've walked the rest of the WC. Hopefully it'll be AB's vs Bokke in 2015 and then we shall see.

      margo.george.18 - 2012-10-16 20:33

      The All Blacks can also say they would've beat the boks in 2007 after the Wayne Barnes incident,but that is history.That guy is even blowing in NZ.

      theunis.botha.96 - 2012-10-16 21:01

      @Jimmy.We shall see me lad,we shall see.Hopefully and untill then we pray that atother like Bryce dont sprung up from one or other compost dump to favour the mud island dwellers in any of the 2015 WC games towards a somewhat uncontested final.On the conrtary,the disposal of Bryce is a giant leap foreward for mankind and the game,and I think that the IRB bosses have learned and will be determined not to error the same.Can understand why Richie is irritated with Bryce,because his ill handeling of the SA/Oz test will allways cast a shadow of doubt on the AB's undisputed reputation as WC champions.

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 02:42

      I do really think that Bryce Lawrence actually saved SA the embarrassment of playing against the AB's in the WC. If SA couldnt even get past AUs, and AB's handed Aus their asses in the following game, what wouldve the AB's done to SA? Saffas just assume they wouldve cake walked into the final, I dont think so.

      ckrohne1 - 2012-10-17 08:57

      @Jimmy NZ: Last Saturday’s all black team and the team that play in the world cup or should I say the performances were as if it were two totally different players. The all blacks that played the world cup sucked big time.....They just managed to beat the worst France team right in their very own back yard......This while the Bok team we currently have is not even the shadow of the team we had in the world cup when it comes to competitiveness....

      donavan.boshoff - 2012-10-17 17:54

      shot gay-leb kif glasses

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 22:15

      Wow dono, thats awesome. You better get off the computer before your mum finds you out of your bed.

  • cinta.tauai - 2012-10-16 18:04

    Well done Bryce, great career. Let the haters hate

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 23:03

      And I "cinta.tauai" am a great supporter of cynical rugby and crooked refs . . . .

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-17 06:56

      And let the cheaters cheat

  • whusselmann - 2012-10-16 18:34

    The Kiwi s appoint Bryce Lawrence as their high performance referee reviewer? Look, they have the best rugby coaches and rugby teams, but Bryce Lawrence is the worst referee i ever saw. Are they planning to produce a lot more of his kind. Unbelievable.

  • brettsummersett - 2012-10-16 19:20

    "I was told I would be brought back in the middle of this year, as I was ranked in the top three or four referees in the world. But because of the political reaction from rugby unions like Australia and South Africa behind the scenes, they dropped me. You cheated Bryce, live with it....

  • Johan5417 - 2012-10-16 19:36

    Good riddance

  • margo.george.18 - 2012-10-16 20:18

    If Bryce Lawrence was the reason for failure,why did they give PdV the marching orders?

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 23:07

      Oh c'mon - with the manpower he had ?- PdV should have walked the competition - pity poor Heyneke by comparison - he's got to do it mainly with Sharks and Stormers while the Bulls are still rebuilding . . . .

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-17 06:59

      Jake White was also given the "marching orders" , and he won the world cup. So you're not exactly proving anything. Nice try though.

  • stephen.martins.353 - 2012-10-16 21:20

    South Africa deserve their third place in the IRB rankings. You have no one but yourself to blame for your poor rugby playing. Every game you lose, you blame the ref. Pathetic.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-16 23:08

      You suggesting Bryce Lawrence was a ref ????????

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 02:39

      Exactly Stephen, and everytime the Ab's win, they must be cheating. It is very pathetic, a nation of poor losers.

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-17 07:03

      We deserve the third place now, but last year was a whole different team, with a bunch of guys that could walk into any team in the world. So even after Brycie admits that he made huge mistakes, you still say we have nothing to complain about? Me thinks Bryce Lawrence must be very active on the news24 forum, or ............ I'd rather not say what the alternative is, no point in insulting some people's intellect.

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 22:16

      You think John Smidt could walk into any team? Thanks for your input.

      theunis.botha.96 - 2012-10-18 00:02

      John who? Nooo.Bet ya a sigar he never played for the Bokke.

  • glen.keesing - 2012-10-16 21:42

    I don't blame Wayne Barnes (as poor as his game was) for the A,Bs 2007 exit. They need to take the responsibility. They knew the capabilities of the French, and that referees make mistakes. They new they needed to be ahead sufficiently ( as they normally are 9 times out of 10), that a poor refereeing call wouldn't cost them the game. They didn't take their opportunities when presented. I.E camped for 8 mins in Frances 22 and not taking the drop goal etc. Likewise The Boks shouldn't be bitter about their loss to Aussie last year either. They made all the same mistakes and also need to take responsibility. All their Wins were tight, They were lucky to get past Wales, and if you are not playing an attacking game like the AB,s and just collecting penalties ( remember of all 8 teams,in that knock out round, both winning and losing, they were the only team not to score a try), you can expect either a very narrow win or a more than likely a loss, which is what they got. The Ref did not select the team /their game plan/ or even their opposition. When your style of Rugby tends to attract narrow wins, then you must expect that you are more exposed to refereeing calls, both for and against you. It is all to easy and convenient to blame the ref for every narrow miss. How about adopting a better game plan , scoring more points, and winning by 10 or more and taking the Ref out of the equation as the AB's do 90% of the time. But they must first be big enough to accept they are to blame.

  • glen.keesing - 2012-10-16 22:00

    None of these negative comments are valid , because their is no balance. I don't see anyone crying fowl for the blunder major blunder the Ref made in the Boks last game (to their advantage) against Aussie where Aussie were forced to play the lase 14 mins with only 14 men, with an already desperatley depleted team, with most players forced to play out of position. All we heard was how fantastic The Boks were and how they"Destroyed" the Aussies. Pretty shallow victory really, but i Guess when wins are as hard to come by for The Boks as they are , you'll take anything. I Also don't see the Aussies crying about it and trying to end the career of that referee. They just manned up and against similar odds went on to win their next away game and at least finish second in the competition. Well done Aussie!!

      heinrich.vanjaarsveld.52 - 2012-10-16 22:15

      Glen the irb agreed with the ref at the end that he was correct only after a few days they've change there mind law states only 7 subs per game and most of the ausies was injuries was affected by the boks the boks dominated the aussies that day the aussies didn't complain because they 2 understood the ref dicision by not alloying another sub cause of the 7 subs already made it never happened before that 8 players was injured in a single game so comparing the 2 refs is utter stupidity lawrence cheated us out of the world cup go learn sum rugby knowledge before making utter rubbish comments

      Caleb - 2012-10-17 02:38

      Thats exactly right Glen, no-one cries quite like a Saffa

      Jimmy NZ - 2012-10-17 06:00

      He was shocking, but the boks still couldn't score in a whore house! Fact!

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-10-17 07:10

      First, it was a World cup game. Second, it was one decision that he got wrong, and it was obvious that he didn't cheat cause it was right there in front of the camera, they even had a discussion about it between the ref and the aussies. So comparing this with what happened in the BL game is a tad ridiculous. Also, the aussies were already out of the game by that point, and they lost by quite a margin. That's why you didn't see any aussies crying about it. And like you said, it was a shallow victory, as it was not the world cup that is every four years, and neither SA of Aus had a realistic chance of still winning the Rugby Championship. Hey Caleb, I seem to remember it was a kiwi who cried after he was hit with a handbag............so yeah, we don't cry like you guys.