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2010-02-25 08:50
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Sam Ramsamy (Gallo)

London - Former anti-apartheid campaigner and International Olympic Committee (IOC) member Sam Ramsamy has called for more action from South African sports administrators to fully integrate sport in the republic.

Ramsamy, a member of the IOC's executive board, told Reuters in a telephone interview that the dream of a World Cup and Olympic Games in his native country had helped to sustain him during his years of exile while South Africa was ruled by a white minority government.

South Africa, which has already successfully staged the rugby and cricket World Cups, will host the first Soccer World Cup awarded to an African nation this year.

"My dream wasn't only to see the soccer World Cup in South Africa. We also had the dream of staging the Olympic Games in South Africa," Ramsamy said.

Ramsamy said although South African blacks had striven to reconcile with the minority white population: "I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance.

"We are trying to normalise the situation but I'm not sure all South African whites understand that. That is a concern of mine. Moves are being made to ensure equal opportunities for all but it's coming very, very slowly.

"The white South African population is less than 20% of the whole South African population and we are doing very well. But can you imagine how well we would do if we provided the same opportunities for the other 80% of the population?

"We would have a tremendous super team which very few countries in the world could beat."

 

Your Comments

goose @sphamandla8/4/2010 9:47 AM
i agree with u completely ...we need to fix our nation as people and to do that we got to get rid of idiots like ramset and malema if you dont want to work together in this country then leave !!!! i am white and proud and im going nowhere !!!! ima director of a massive organisation and i have made my money here so nobody can kick me out
Stace7/9/2010 12:32 PM
What a load for rubbish! This is all said in an attempt to reverse apartheid and punish the white population. I support the White sports-people, but I do not allow the colour of my skin to affect my opinion that there are some amazing Black sports-people as well. I think its time the anti-apartheid preachers realised it is 2010 and we are all moving on.... Time they should do the same!
Clay7/9/2010 12:28 PM
What a moron!
hmm7/9/2010 12:20 PM
Pik Botha would call the overzealous implementation of BEE/AA in government offices "Pik Swart". Furthermore you can put someone in a government office job but sports men and woman are judged on points. You can't qualify to participate just because you don't need to wear as much sunscreen!
Mr Bean7/9/2010 12:15 PM
Oh really? Did Booth play in the SWC? Moron!
Sean3/21/2010 9:57 PM
Well said Tsotsi !!! It is time for influential SA sports stars of old and present to rise, stand-up and oppose the idiot administrators that we have, like Mr Sam Ramsamy to name a few. He certainly has had the priveledge to travel the world at our sponsors expense, living in luxury and without helping to sell and develop SA sport with the international communities.
Gunnar3/2/2010 10:51 AM
Sammy, STOP blamming apartheid, get over it and move forward, PLEASE. After ex Pres. Mandela came in the newspapers stopped telling us the colour of the driver! Check out the papers today & you'll also find who the new editors are.
Boris3/2/2010 10:34 AM
He's the prick who stuffed up hockey in South Africa and there are not many blacks who play hockey so get real Sam Ramatoolupmybumgee you idiot!!
Jacques3/1/2010 5:14 PM
Raj, I appreciate your observation, but I can grant you the assurance that I do just that! I have by no means, and I mean by no means heaved away or mistreated anyone based on their colour. Just to give you an exemplar. In and around Sandton (where I work and live) you forever find people (white or black) standing at the traffic lights asking for something to eat or drink or even a few rand. 90% of the time I will have money with me or in my car and at whatever time I see someone asking for something I supply! Many times I don’t have money on me and then would go to the nearest fast food restaurant and buy something on my card. I will then drive back and take it to that person! I just base it on the fact, what if that was me? I have a wife and a beautiful baby girl and what if I, for some reason and last alternative, had to go plead in order to provide for my kin? Wouldn’t I want people to give me something to provide for my family? Yes I would and this I live by: “Do onto others as you would like them to do onto you!” The only dilemma I have with something like that is the following. Many times I have asked the “drifter” (white or black) to come and work for me in my gardens on an enduring basis, where he will get an income every week, and every time the response would be the same: “No thanks! I make more money standing here than working for you” or “I don’t want work, I want money or food” or you name it!!! I’ve heard each and every one! Just so you know. A year back we (my wife, my daughter and I) took in a black family of 3 (mother, daughter and son) to live with us in our home, because the father was put to death and their shack burnt down, in the settlement by their own people and the mother with the kids had nowhere to go. Now they live with us, as the mother works for me in and around the house. Not in a hut or small cottage on my grounds, but in my home. They eat the same food that we eat and use the same water that we use and use the same electricity that we use. So to answer your challenge, I think I have given my share and will continue to give until the day I die!!! The huge question is, can you answer the challenge?
Mark3/1/2010 4:42 PM
@ sphamandla, good on your mate, you have the right attitude and raise your argument from your head and not your heart. I honestly feel really sorry from black sportsman or professionals who get chosen based on their skin colour, because in their back minds they willalways ask the question "Do I deserve to be here" and feel they need to prove everyone wrong. Come on ppl, wake up, if we want more black athletes or professionals we have to start developing black talent from an early age at school level by training properly and educating properly.
Raj3/1/2010 3:56 PM
It's strange- each time race is raised whites attack like cornered hounds. Being white isn't a curse - but being pigheaded about the privelages that you have had, and still do is something that you must address if we are to move forward. bear in mind that it is the black masses who are still experiencing apartheid....I appreciate Jacques comments about him seeing all people as his brother and sister - but I challenge you- give of yourself to them, in the same way that you give of yourself to your biological family...and then we can talk about moving forward as a nation!!
Gina3/1/2010 3:22 PM
Just one quetion Mr ramsammy. where were you when the so called 'struggle for freedom ' in this country was happening during the seventies and eighties, hiding somehwere else in the world en joying your freedom at the expense of the 'black' people of this country, stop being a racialist its people like you that keep it alive, many of our voters are ignorant people and you and the government know this so you play the race card continuosly so that you will get the votes to keep you in power. Stop using and abusing the people they need more that being in volved in sports.
Ben2/28/2010 7:40 AM
If you sacrifice good teams just so you can have your mixed-race teams, you eventually won't HAVE to represent our country. You'll be so low on the international ranking score-board for "whichever" sport, no one else in the world will even bother to recognize your team or any of the members in it. Our soccer is an overkill example of this --> Absolutely all skill sacrificed, just so we can maintain an "all black" team, who represents, but can't win (or play real soccer) if their lives depended on it.
thabo2/28/2010 6:50 AM
What a poor statement. A very sad man.
sphamandla2/27/2010 10:58 PM
first of all i would like to state that i'm a black man of age 30 and i'm proud of my skin color and my culture. I have lots of millions to last me a lifetime and no i'm not Malema's friend. I'm just a hard working individual who would want to be recognised for his hard work and not because of the his skin color. i would not like to get ahead because i'm black, green or grey. I would like to point out that i'm not one to post comments on internet however i felt that i needed to comment on a the article by Mr. Ramsamy. I have no idea what he drank or smoked by i'm 100% percent sure that its very strong. i have played sports in my younger years and that is one place where i felt i could be me and everyone who has played any type of sports will agree when I say there is nothing you can compare to the feeling you get when you triumph against your peers and i think its much exciting knowing that you did it on your own and not because of some policy. To all the white folks out I understand your anger and frustration however that does not mean that you have to use sites like this to swear and be sarcastic, some comments are really offensive i must admit but i dont blame you I blame your parents for not teaching you manners and a right way to speak. South Africa has got some very talented white, black, colored and indian kids when it comes to sports, kids that want to succeed in whatever sports they play in their own terms and not because of the Quotas. I'm appealing to all the decision makers please stop devaluating our players of color by pushing them to national teams even if they dont deserve to be there. I would do anything for all our national teams to succeed at all levels and i dont give a F**k whether Bafana fields 11 indian or white players as long as they win and represent the Republic. Its people like Ramsamy and Malema that cheapens all our nation building efforts. When i was growing up in KZN all our taxi's were named Zola Bud and i never bothered to find out what this Zola Bud stood for until i discovered that she was some white chick who ran marathons and did i mentioned that blacks folks used to idolised her and her skin color never mattered to them. lets use sites like this for nation building and debate. what happened to good debate and good reasoning capacity? all the people that are using sites like this to vent and tells about their hatred for blacks i pity you, not all blacks want to be given things for free, not all blacks are rapists, murders, or corrupt as much as not all whites are racists infact i believe that black are equally racist as well. I don't give a F@ck whether your aunt or sister was raped while you watched or if they were burned alive or robbed at gun point. Thereare some things white people do to black folks that I dont approve off, like those racist learners that made some black folks eat food that had their urine or farmers that shoot black folks because they thought they were monkeys, the debate here should be about sports and sports alone. if you feel you are hard done because you are white then please move to Australia.
sphamandla2/27/2010 10:57 PM
first of all i would like to state that i'm a black man of age 30 and i'm proud of my skin color and my culture. I have lots of millions to last me a lifetime and no i'm not Malema's friend. I'm just a hard working individual who would want to be recognised for his hard work and not because of the his skin color. i would not like to get ahead because i'm black, green or grey. I would like to point out that i'm not one to post comments on internet however i felt that i needed to comment on a the article by Mr. Ramsamy. I have no idea what he drank or smoked by i'm 100% percent sure that its very strong. i have played sports in my younger years and that is one place where i felt i could be me and everyone who has played any type of sports will agree when I say there is nothing you can compare to the feeling you get when you triumph against your peers and i think its much exciting knowing that you did it on your own and not because of some policy. To all the white folks out I understand your anger and frustration however that does not mean that you have to use sites like this to swear and be sarcastic, some comments are really offensive i must admit but i dont blame you I blame your parents for not teaching you manners and a right way to speak. South Africa has got some very talented white, black, colored and indian kids when it comes to sports, kids that want to succeed in whatever sports they play in their own terms and not because of the Quotas. I'm appealing to all the decision makers please stop devaluating our players of color by pushing them to national teams even if they dont deserve to be there. I would do anything for all our national teams to succeed at all levels and i dont give a F**k whether Bafana fields 11 indian or white players as long as they win and represent the Republic. Its people like Ramsamy and Malema that cheapens all our nation building efforts. When i was growing up in KZN all our taxi's were named Zola Bud and i never bothered to find out what this Zola Bud stood for until i discovered that she was some white chick who ran marathons and did i mentioned that blacks folks used to idolised her and her skin color never mattered to them. lets use sites like this for nation building and debate. what happened to good debate and good reasoning capacity? all the people that are using sites like this to vent and tells about their hatred for blacks i pity you, not all blacks want to be given things for free, not all blacks are rapists, murders, or corrupt as much as not all whites are racists infact i believe that black are equally racist as well. I don't give a F@ck whether your aunt or sister was raped while you watched or if they were burned alive or robbed at gun point. Thereare some things white people do to black folks that I dont approve off, like those racist learners that made some black folks eat food that had their urine or farmers that shoot black folks because they thought they were monkeys, the debate here should be about sports and sports alone. if you feel you are hard done because you are white then please move to Australia.
MD2/27/2010 10:42 PM
To Jose (who wrote his garbage from overseas). That's just the problem - you're overseas and know NOTHING about this country and the reverse racism that is taking place. Our rugby and cricket teams are excelling IN SPITE of constant political interference. However I agree with you on one point - WE DON'T DESERVE THE SOCCER WORLD CUP because we didn't even qualify for the Africa Cup of Nations that took place earlier this year. Our Bafana's are ranked somewhere in the 80's, and I very much doubt if there are many more than 80 soccer teams in the world? They've had the best coaches available in world soccer, and these coaches can do NOTHING about the poor performances of our soccer team, because they are untrainable. The last time Bafana did anything at all was when we won the Africa Cup of Nations with a white captain and a white coach. Sam Ramsamy is a sanctimonious @sshole and you yourself Jose, is a total ignoramus.
pierre2/27/2010 1:41 PM
Sammy Ramsammy wake up where ever you are in the world. We tried to have more blacks in our teams and we lost badly. Look at our Soccer team and think before you speak. Since 1996 we never won any major titles because since all the other whites like Mark Fish is not there and we keep losing and losing games. We also going to loose big time in SA world cup in June. I am not a racist as you may think but it is true. I will shout for any SA team even if it is full of blacks if they are chosen on there merrit and not because they are black. You moved to Londan so keep your mouth close and shutup. Sa is doing fine with out you so dont come and stirr a lot of shit where it in not needed. All the best for Bafana when the world cup start. I am sick and tired of people move to other country's but still have a lot to say about our Country. Why don't you stay in SA and then you can open your big hole and complain.
Stephen 2/27/2010 8:49 AM
Judging by the comments here,this is the right platform for white south africans to vent their anger and remind the rest of us just how racist they are.It is areal shame.
cricket is better2/26/2010 10:29 PM
for goodness sakes. why do they start this argument every time theirs no news to report? eye roll
Shorts2/26/2010 5:06 PM
I nominate SR as one of the DKB Plonkers of a Lifetime, together with at least two African 'Presidents'.
attie2/26/2010 3:41 PM
1. This was a reply to an article, in the Mercury where the previously disadvantaged (Blacks) stated that it’s not too late for the previously advantaged (including whites, Indians and Coloreds) to apologize for apartheid. Check out the reply. Just too hot and so true. This was in the SA paper last week (Mercury). The main headline stated the following: It’s not too late for whites to say sorry for Apartheid…………. Check the email that went around responding to the headline. It’s a kick ass response. The guy that wrote it has got it !!! ‘To the Previously Disadvantaged’ We are sorry that our ancestors were intelligent, advanced and daring enough to explore the wild oceans to discover new countries and develop them. We are sorry that those who came before us took you out of the bush and taught you that there was more to life than beating drums, killing each other and chasing animals with sticks and stones. We are sorry that they planned, funded and developed roads, towns, mines, factories, airports and harbours, all of which you now claim to be your long deprived inheritance giving you every right to change and rename these at your discretion. We are sorry that our parents taught us the value of small but strong families, to not breed like rabbits and end up as underfed, diseased, illiterate shack dwellers living in poverty. We are sorry that when the evil apartheid government provided you with schools, you decided they’d look better without windows or in piles of ashes. We happily gave up those bad days of getting spanked in our all white Schools for doing something wrong, and much prefer these days of freedom where problems can be resolved with knives and guns. We are sorry that it is hard to shake off the bitterness of the past when you keep on raping, torturing and killing our friends and family members, and then hide behind the fence of ‘human rights’ with smiles on your faces. We are sorry that we do not trust the government… We have no reason to be so suspicious because none of these poor “hard working intellectuals” have ever been involved in any form of “corruption or irregularities”. We are sorry that we do not trust the police force and, even though they have openly admitted that they have lost the war against crime and criminals, we should not be negative and just ignore their corruption and carry on hoping for the best. We are sorry that it is more important to you to have players of colour in our national teams than winning games and promoting patriotism. We know that sponsorship doesn’t depend on a team’s success. We are sorry that our border posts have been flung open and now left you competing for jobs against illegal immigrants from our beautiful neighbouring countries. All of them countries that have grown into economic powerhouses after kicking out the ’settlers’. We are sorry that we don’t believe in witchcraft, beet root and garlic cures, urinating on street corners, virginity testing, slaughtering of bulls in our back yards, trading women for cattle and other barbaric practices. Maybe we just grew up differently. We are sorry that your medical care, water supplies, roads, railways and electricity supplies are going down the toilet because skilled people who could have planned for and resolved these issues had to be thrown away because they were of the wrong ethnic background and now have to work in foreign countries where their skills are highly appreciated. We are so sorry that we’d like this country to fulfil its potential so we can once again be proud South Africans. The Previously Advantaged’ PS In the old regime… we had lights and water
Yawn2/26/2010 3:34 PM
success in sports comes from the following; 1) Hard work 2) Dedication 3) Maintained and prolonged focus on goals 4) Mental fitness Unfortunately this disqualifies 95% of the black population in South Africa... you who are getting offended please note, that I did leave a 5% margin for error...if you think I am wrong then prove me wrong instead of moaning and bitching about me being a racist or something worse. I am a realist and the majority of the Black South African public just don't have the goods to compete at top level...
Rich2/26/2010 3:31 PM
I think this must be a standard speech that gets reprinted and regurgitated come election time. It the same crap every year. More blacks blah blah apartheid blah blah level the playing field.... puke. Blacks aren't there cause they're obviously to kuk, thats why they not there. If you want them there do something about ie get off your lazy black ass and train them give them boots shoes facilities etc. Such a load of rubbish, would love to know where this smiling little pr**k lives.
grant2/26/2010 3:00 PM
When will these idiots learn to STOP talking. They are take their feet out their mouths long enough to swap feet. Sammy should create a non white team for all major sporting codes and have a play off. then when he realises that our current integrated teams will whip his teams, maybe then he will shut up!!
zeek2/26/2010 1:33 PM
It is beyond pathetic how after 16 years we are still living in this sad madness. Black this, white that. Things have degraded in this country to such an extent that all people care about is that there are enough blacks in sport, in the government, in a dam merc! The majority of people in this country are screwed, blacks and whites. This government has not provided housing, medical schemes or proper schooling that actually works. Everyone thinks we are just moving forward as a country, and in many aspects we are, but we are lacking at the core. The government blinds you with this continuous focus on black versus white and your not even seeing the fact that they are stealing and breaking down every support system that you have. Wake up!! And start seeing south africa as our home that needs to be protected from itself. I might be white, but I am an African and Im not leaving and I will not go down without a fight.
WhiteSoWhat2/26/2010 12:36 PM
I dont support any SA team. Why should I support a country that hates me and regards me as an unwelcome visitor despite the fact that I was born here?
Another Indian2/26/2010 12:19 PM
Sam is checking it out. The more noise he makes, the more he will be liked by the other corrupt comrades, then it means more bucks for Sam. Sam, we are not stupid, where in the f*ck where you hiding all these years and suddenly appears from under the woodword when he hears of Mlema's sudden rise to wealth. I thought you were f*cking dead Sam.
Ha Ha2/26/2010 12:01 PM
Sam "the Ram" Ramsamy...what a lot of sentimental garbage. See folks, he just wanted to remind us that he was also in jail and, like the GREAT MADIBA, needs to be credited for his great dreams. Danny Jordaan and Irvin Khoza worked their butts off to get us the Soccer World Cup, but now the RAM needs a bit of the shine. Is he canvasing for a position somewhere? White minorities do not embrace transformation? Who is in charge of rugby, cricket, athletics, tennis etc in SA? White people? I am sure that Hoskins, Mali, Majola and co will take offence at being branded as white people. No, Sam, your little ploy for popularity points is about as clear as the sky over the Sahara
attie2/26/2010 11:31 AM
what a chop
Andre2/26/2010 11:18 AM
Sport is the only thing that has not been rushed in transformation like the rest of South Africa and we are the defending world up champs in rugby and a force in cricket , "banana banana" is the perfect example of of what happens when it is rushed. We are in New Zealand and a lot of the people thinks that he is a loonie, the NZ supporters don't want to play against an "affirmative action" Springbok side, they want to face the best. It is unfair towards quality players such as Bryan Habana and Beast. So Sam "UP YOURS"
Justgetthejobdone2/26/2010 11:07 AM
Generalisations and blaming: what nonsense at this point. Where is the result of the millions poured into soccer over the past years? Why can't we use Esselen Park? Development programs are ongoing things - processes and not events. It's time that we all look at what we have been doing and get rid of the inefficiency and graft that pervades our national sports. For heaven's sake, develop our youngsters because they have potential.Audit thedevelopment programmes dispassionately and improve them. Transformation means more than substituting one colour with another. Ironically, anecdotal evidence suggests that rugby has more transformation happening in it than in our other big sports. Work more vigorously on the supply stream and the changes must happen at the top. It will address the feelings of anger, unfairness, uncertainty, exclusion. It will stop feeding this idea that for complex matters there is a quick single solution. Transformation isn't meant to be revenge by stealth. It is a process to make us a richer people. Let's work together and get the damn job done.
HB2/26/2010 10:27 AM
SA can only become competitive if National Sides are selected on merit-and if at Club and Provincial level more is done towards development in ALL sport, not just in Cricket and Rugby. How much development is done to promote the principles our authorities hold so high - representation of our population - in Soccer for instance, to be fair shall we not also implement quotas for our Soccer Clubs as with other sports....or are some sports more equal than others? What development is done in traditionally non soccer playing schools for instance?
juju2/26/2010 9:59 AM
to cammie the whites who work hard during apartheid are living a better life now than they did in apartheid. just look Sandton & Umhlanga the whites who only played sport and never got educated and depended on the government are really suffering now. how many white players do you what to see in bafana bafana ? whites only make 8% of SA.blacks make 80 % that mean for every white we should have 10 blacks.so in near future there will quotas to protect whites 1 million whites leave after mandela release it used to be much higher. most blacks are still in poverty only very few blacks living luxury .the problem is whites must see SA as whole not only from a whites point of view. in 16 yrs u can`t out do 350 yrs of damage . just admit apartheid was bad time and move on things are not perfect now but lets work together . TIA THIS IS AFRICA not Boer republic of a British colony
blatter must go2/26/2010 9:02 AM
He made enough out of soccer and it is really time to replace him with a younger "I Love Soccer" and not money person.
B S rammy2/26/2010 8:59 AM
To sum up what everyone is saying - Bafana Bafana is a good example of what Sam is trying to say!
Track Enthusiast2/26/2010 7:14 AM
When the Government addresses the basic physical education needs at all school levels and pumps money into school sport structures the gap in the playing field will get narrower. At the moment the gap between Ex-model C schools and Govt Schools is as vast as the Atlantic Ocean if not more!
Cammie2/26/2010 6:19 AM
@juju - how ill informed you are! Have you ever wondered why, after 16-years why the majority of our people are still living in townships? Not all whites are living in the lap of luxury with every security facility available to them, but I can assure you that there are a lot more black folk now living with that privilege. We should all, black or white, be asking the government we voted in 16-years ago why the situation has not changed for the majority (92%) of our black people. Regardless of the colour of the skin of Ramsamy's wife, his blatant racism in the above statement is crystal clear!
AJ2/26/2010 6:18 AM
"whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance." - Sam, you're a bit up your own a**** aren't you.
Francois2/26/2010 3:42 AM
If you are not good enough you should not be close to the National Cricket team, even if you are black enough. Look at what happened to Zimbabwe. They were a very decent team due to the likes of Grant Flower, Andy Flower, Heat Streak, Alistair Cambell and the list goes on. And guess what...they were all white. Sam you must wake up from the where you are sitting. If a player is good enough, by all means select him, but if not, leave him for the domestic competition. Ngam and Zondeki are not good enough and they have proven it in the past!! We already have stars such as Duminy, Prince etc. Even if they have struggled with form the past season, they will come around. Sam you have too much time on your hands otherwise you would have talked more sense. Look what have happened to South African Swimming and Athletics, they are perfect examples of what transformation has done for the country. Only Golf will survive in the end, since it is an individual sport and the world sees transformation as a joke and the biggest national sport in RSA.
Sports Supporter2/26/2010 1:50 AM
Everybody is going on about to many white players in rugby and cricket and not enough black players. What about the total white players playing for Bafana Bafana?
Bekkie2/26/2010 1:05 AM
Sammy, welcome-we see the rat has crawled out of his hiding hole. Stop playing this old race card as many people try to move on with their lives for 20 years now. Every sportsman are giving their best and to represent their country and does not sit on the sideline with a culculator and work out 80% versus 20% and make poor decisions on color skin to represent. Where is all the dedicated white, Indian and colored business people, trainers and Administrators? Let us get then another multi race team in every sport event and compare it agains uncle Sammy's toi-toi team which uncle, brother or sister has some influence somewhere and forget to base sport and employement on merits. No wonder disaster has striked this country for the past 10years in every field with this type of attitude. If every business, sports, schools, hospitals, police etc is determined to be only for black, then let the other nations stand together and create their own so that uncle Sammy (The Rat) satifies his overall feelings and they do their own financial suports and development. Listen you tart (Sammy) why is it that all of you and your cronies just want to take advantage of your stucked calculator at 80% for blacks and never even mention the other races such as the Indians, coloreds etc which is also part of this country and has many input in sport with successes, but they are always been exluded in everything. What is their percentage on your so called calculator to also represent SA in sport and also dish out bursaries for them or are they also too white for your standards. If we have to develop sport on our own and between our own so called whities, then so be it because you are pressing us to become just that. Don't even say the words about you don't think whites understand that, because we have brains and can think for ourselves, that is why we have a 20% population. Rather put a bann in place for all whites to have work, sports, education etc and do everything you wish according to your so called dreams. "Meeste van al die politieke stront en verwysings dra geen gronde meer nie want meeste van die wat so nog apartheid uitbasein het nie in daardie tydperk groot geword nie" Sammy, Your the Captain of your ship and destiny, so many rats is waiting like you to continue with the race card. Who has invented the soccer, rugby ball or for any other sports, just wonder!!!!!! Stop to give your comments on sport which you have no idea about, except your'e gold medal in *ss Licking which you received and crawl to your rat hole to become their master. Invest your money in your type of sport you want to promote and hold tight o that race card. Bye Mr Sammy and good luck with your 2010 Soccer World Cup as the best team will win and also wonder if they gonna be a 100% black team??? Time is short and perhaps you should advice all Countries that only 80% black teams is allowed to play in the World Cup.
phil2/25/2010 11:38 PM
Sammy where are you? Come right pal this country is moving forward but with pathetic comments coming out of someone that is totally racist it will never happen. Stop blaming apartheid - blame yourself.
Max2/25/2010 8:59 PM
@ Jose. How lucky you are to live wherever, where there is absolute bliss and prosperity. There aren't that many racists in South Africa these days, but unfortunately the majority of them have government positions, and are immune to the label of "racist" because they are not white. Majority of South Africans, black and white, dearly love our country and would just like to move on.
bulawayo-based-bok2/25/2010 8:59 PM
WELL IF SOUTH AFRICA WAS A BETTER/SAFER PLACE TO LIVE IN THEN THERE WOULD BE MORE THAN 20%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF ALL OUR SPORTS SELECTIONS WERE BASED ON MERIT THEN WE WOULD ALREADY BE A WORLD BEATING NATION!!!! I MEAN YOU DON'T SEE OTHER COUNTRIES COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS, I AM IN ZIMBABWE AND THE CRICKET TEAM IS 1/2 WHITE!!!! AND HOW MANY WHITES LIVE IN ZIMBABWE??????......1....maybe 2(INCLUDING ME!!!) :):):):) PUT THE BEST TEAM ON THE PITCH!!!!!!......NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR!!!!!
Jose2/25/2010 8:00 PM
I'm reading this from overseas. What a pathetic country. Blacks and whites still throwing racist comments at each other over sport. Some of the white comments shocking, "i.,e. monkey, etc" and not supporting your national football team. You dont care what you project to the world.. You are no better off than 20 years ago. You don't deserve 2010 football world cup.... sad
Z2/25/2010 7:41 PM
Well said Sam! I see some people are in denial.
Kathryn Parr2/25/2010 7:06 PM
I for one am so sick and tired of listening to this abssolute nonsense, if the sport is too white, then go and organise your own team, it is so simple. I would have the last laugh at that. And furthermore Sam, shut the f*ck up.
Harris2/25/2010 6:33 PM
We should not be surprised by the racist comment by SR. It was this type of talk that ensured him of a high profile and well paid employment for many years. He now has to avoid blaming the ANC and the management of most sporting bodies and therefore professes to know what all the white people are thinking. The country has been run by a “black” government and most of the sporting bodies are under the control of “black” people. These people in the positions of authority have failed the masses by not producing viable development programmes but SR is hesitant in blaming his political masters. His statements should be treated with the contempt they deserve. He is a pathetic little man who is clutching at straws by making unfounded racist statements.
juju2/25/2010 6:16 PM
sam does not hate whites because he has a white wife the country is 80 % black 8 % white i know it is scary thought for white people just jump from your high electric walls and take a walk thru your local township to see how lucky you are we will be world beaters in sport if we can get the whole country involve not just whites
BlackJoy2/25/2010 5:32 PM
Grant, you are one out of ten million whites who would give back and actually go into the townships to coach. Most whites are terrified of the townships but will have black people do their menial jobs, look after their homes and even have them raise and suckle their young . The most white people I've seen in the townships are foreign. White people talk reconciliation, peace and nation building and all I've seen since Mandela's release is them complaining. None of them stood up and complained against masses being tutored and murdered during apartheid or even when Chester Williams was the only 'token black' in the Springbok team during the '95 RWC. In Australia, Aboriginal people make up two percent of the twenty million population and they do not dominate their cricket, rugby and soccer teams even their very popular AFL Football. Yet in comparison, they are the most talented athletes you'll ever see. Which proves my point, its only right when its all white. What disrespect!!
Deva2/25/2010 5:26 PM
ja sam is right if more blacks watch rugby and cricket we could have have more franchise teams so average white rugby & cricket players do have to run back to england to play cricket & rugby. whites care too much about sport thats why they can`t make it in new south africa they spend all the time playing sport they don`t study if want to make it in the real world you study not many companies are for talented rugby players indian out perform whites in education that why many indians are doing well not because of bee and AA it only applies to black africans
Russell2/25/2010 5:20 PM
The ANC run and owned SABC does not even broadcast the current tour of India live on any SABC channel , I bet if Bafana toured India it would be on SABC because it is the only black supported RACIST sport in SA. Cricket is not supported, why are the ANC pushing for quota's if they do not support cricket and the black population does not support cricket ???
navi2/25/2010 5:12 PM
Hi Samwise Rammy....you know as long as you keep blaming white people for their lack of acceptance,forgiveness and participation you are really just giving them more reasons to hate you! Kindly do stop. Regards,
Grant2/25/2010 5:06 PM
I'm a 38 year old white male and have learnt to speak and understand Xhosa and Zulu so that I can coach rugby teams in the townships. It's about us previously advantaged SA citizens giving back for what our ancestors took away from the black population of SA. But equality will come and BEE and AA is a form of apartheid in itself (and is also now 'law'). I have never been rich... but I did get an education. Black or white we just need to stop sitting on our backsides and actually do... talk is cheap and actions speak louder than words. I support all South Africans as equal (the term race should be done away with)
Ant2/25/2010 4:45 PM
Where is this clown from, he is talking about SWC and Olympics and in the same breath he is mentioning the minority of 20% still having the cream WTF man, soccer team = 90% majority ranking in the world 126th ASA runned by the majority group = last Olympics ended what 90th?? Go to any provinsial try outs on the ASA agenda, it disorganized items are being abbandoned due to the "majority" athletes not being ready, officials being absend, and those items that do continue all the stronger athletes are grouped together, mostly minorities, with second legs being "majority" The top 2 of one group and top 4 of the "other" group gets provincial colors, al be it the 6th person in group one's performance is better then the best performer in group 2 so Mr Ramsamay wake up and smell the "hartebeespoortdam" idiot. I'm all for transformation but by eqaul oppertunity based on skills and not by Hypocrisy
Brian2/25/2010 4:41 PM
Why interfere with what's working? Be honest with yourself and the country.
Jacques2/25/2010 4:26 PM
I am a 28 year old white male and was born, a proud South African, and will no matter what; I will always be a proud South African, but its comments like these from idiots like Sam that force, not only my family and friends out of our lovely country, but the rest of the rational, hardworking and apex business population!!! I have a few comments that I would like to raise after dissecting Uncle Sam’s message, and what a meagre message it was! To say the least! First of all, I’m not someone that likes the whole swearing thing on public websites as I feel it makes you as an individual look somewhat out of control and pathetic! Having said that the following needs to be said: “WHAT THE F**K ARE YOU THINKING YOU F*****G IDIOT!!!? WERE YOU BORN THIS STUPID, CAUSE IF NOT YOU NEED TO ASK FOR A REFUND ON YOUR SCHOOL FEES!!! FOR F**K SAKES! HOW STUPID CAN ONE PERSON GET!!! OH, SORRY. I FORGOT! YOU WERE PREVIOUSLY DISADVANTAGED AND THEREFOR YOU CAN BLAME THE WHITE POPULATION FOR YOUR UNINTELLIGENT, INSANE, SHITTY AND PLAIN F*****G IDOTIC COMMENTS! GROW UP YOU PIECE OF S**T!!!”Right. Now that that is out of the way, and I feel SO much better, here are my comments in a guarded manner – I hope... “Former anti-apartheid campaigner and International Olympic Committee (IOC) member Sam Ramsamy has called for more action from South African sports administrators to fully integrate sport in the republic.” How are you planning on doing this when all that the South African sports administrators are spellbound in are filling their own reserves, either it being with wealth (and lots of it), houses (colossal mansions), expensive sport cars / SUV’s (costing an arm and a leg) and riding on the proverbial gravy train! The problem here lies that the tax payers (the 20% you are referring to) are subsidising this! How would you like it, if you or anyone in your family had to shell out for someone else’s R 5 000 000.00 mansion, R 2 500 000.00 sports car and a salary of R 10 000 000.00 per annum! Doesn’t that seem a bit unjust – I think? “Ramsamy, a member of the IOC's executive board, told Reuters in a telephone interview that the dream of a World Cup and Olympic Games in his native country had helped to sustain him during his years of exile while South Africa was ruled by a white minority government.” We as white South Africans understand what the brunt of the behaviour of our peers had on black people in the past. I personally don’t concur with everything they did but in some cases, and I really mean some cases, there was value for their deeds! Then the age of anti-apartheid started and everyone in South Africa, maybe not all and sundry, but the majority of the South African population welcomed the transformation as we moved into the 21st century. We had a new principal, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, even though a rebel in his own right. At the Rivonia Trail he was charged for sabotage, which he admitted, and crimes equal to treason. There was a second charge for plotting an invasion of South Africa, but this was denied by Nelson and could not be proven. Despite all of this South Africans looked beyond it as we knew it would mean great things for our COUNTRY and it’s PEOPLE! Whether you were black or white! With his opening statement at the Rivonia Trail, Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela had a vision: “During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.” Is it then so knotty for existing leaders to turn this vision into a reality for ALL South Africans? We are all humans created by God in his parallel reflection. That makes the woman behind the Pick ‘n Pay counter my sister and the guy driving the forklift my brother, irrespective of his casing! How would you feel, Uncle Sam, if you see your kids skirmishing with one another continuously? In some cases even murdering them! What will our Father say about this continuous skirmishing, squabbling and murders? And this just about someone’s skin colour! It makes me sick to the bone, so I can just envision how He must feel! Ramsamy said although South African blacks had striven to reconcile with the minority white population: "I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance.” "We are trying to normalise the situation but I'm not sure all South African whites understand that. That is a concern of mine. Moves are being made to ensure equal opportunities for all but it's coming very, very slowly. This I find tremendously hard to believe. Yes, I concur to a certain degree, but the tenet only applies for a certain proportion of the black population. Also don’t heave away the other side of the coin. There’s a certain proportion of the white population just as accountable to this! But my question is this: How forgiving and accepting can a person be when all that they live for are murdering, hurting, despising and suppressing another person’s right to breathe and right to autonomy!? Please tell me how? Frequently you take note of murders being committed on white farmers in South Africa. Although this is heartbreaking enough, the foremost issue is that 90% of the time there was no purpose! Yes that’s correct! No motive! Nothing stolen or broken! Entire families, murdered because it feels good to murder someone! Where has this world gone to and where is South Africa going to? What’s even worse is the fact that we are never exposed to what actually and accurately happened! We are forced to turn a blind eye and after the dust settled it’s ok to move on with our lives! Nonsense!!! How can I move on with my life if I heard that my kin (grandfather, grandmother, father, mother, sisters – 16 and 9 and my baby brother – 4 months) were murdered? That’s just the opening! How can I move on with my life if I know my baby brother was tossed into a blaze to burn to death in front of my entire family! They had to watch him die and hear his screams! HOW??? How can I move on with my life if I know my grandmother, mother and both my sisters were raped, repetitively, in front of my grandfather and father? Then their throats were slit and they were left to bleed to death! They had to watch the entire rape sight over and over and over and then had to watch them die! HOW??? How can I move on with my life if I know my grandfather and father were then killed by shoving a shower pipe down their throats while the water was running? The only thing you can do is to swallow until you can’t anymore! Then to top that the murderers would leap onto their stomachs until it ruptured open and this is how they would die! A horrid way that I won’t even wish on my enemies? HOW??? "The white South African population is less than 20% of the whole South African population and we are doing very well. But can you imagine how well we would do if we provided the same opportunities for the other 80% of the population? "We would have a tremendous super team which very few countries in the world could beat." Uncle Sam. Can you envisage why the population of South Africa is done in that split? Can you see now why the pinnacle businessmen and woman of this, once great country, are found elsewhere in the world? Either in fearing for their lives or those of their kin, or the risk of becoming unemployed just because of the colour of your hide or just because they were forced to get out of the country? Can you see why? Please don’t get me wrong. There are still some great businessmen and woman in this country that still feel, like me, that there is hope for all of our nations to still become one rock-solid nation, but how long will this last? How long will faith be our guide with this occurring right under our noses and every day we get reminded of the apartheid of former times? Isn’t this garbage also apartheid! Shouldn’t sport positions be given to a person on worth? The opportunities that the 20% get, they create themselves and if you fall short, nobody else can be responsible for that! Only you! If this then means that my son / daughter will one day be defeated of his / her position on a national team because of their skin, then I really don’t have any hope for the outlook of this country. Then I think it’s time for me to do as many South Africans have done. Pack up my family and seek a joyful, secure and successful environment elsewhere. But maybe, just maybe our former leader’s words will still become a reality! Therefore I leave you with the words of Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela: “I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities.”
Bahdran Mukerjee2/25/2010 4:07 PM
Does this apply to race, ethnicity or pure skin colour? Technically an albino is the excluded from the plan..
@Siyolo2/25/2010 4:02 PM
And I Quote"More blacks in the teams mean more victories........Enough with the lilly white rugby and cricket teams, lets follow in bafana bafanas footsteps!!! I look forward to seeing talent like Tsolekile, Zondeki and Tshabalala in the proteas outfit!!" Let us compare stats. Thami Tsolekile Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St Tests 3 5 0 47 22 9.40 177 26.55 0 0 3 0 6 0 First-class 105 146 21 3311 141 26.48 2 17 334 25 List A 107 68 22 874 65* 19.00 0 1 161 16 Twenty20 24 17 8 308 52 34.22 266 115.78 0 1 27 3 22 5 Mark Boucher Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St Tests 131 186 22 5068 125 30.90 10091 50.22 5 32 607 18 472 22 ODIs 290 217 56 4658 147* 28.93 5487 84.89 1 26 354 83 395 21 T20Is 20 16 4 239 36* 19.91 241 99.17 0 0 21 2 13 1 First-class 193 282 40 8176 134 33.78 9 50 650 36 List A 355 280 67 6130 147* 28.77 2 35 467 29 Twenty20 53 43 14 802 57* 27.65 716 112.01 0 2 64 20 30 5 Johan Botha Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St Tests 2 2 1 45 25 45.00 137 32.84 0 0 4 0 1 0 ODIs 51 28 10 307 46 17.05 367 83.65 0 0 33 1 23 0 T20Is 16 9 7 59 28* 29.50 48 122.91 0 0 5 2 9 0 First-class 62 104 16 3078 109 34.97 1 22 45 0 List A 129 87 24 1359 55* 21.57 1701 79.89 0 4 38 0 Twenty20 50 35 16 305 44* 16.05 271 112.54 0 0 22 5 21 0 Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10 Tests 2 4 225 178 4 2/57 2/75 44.50 4.74 56.2 0 0 0 ODIs 51 48 2436 1831 46 4/19 4/19 39.80 4.50 52.9 1 0 0 T20Is 16 15 318 330 13 3/16 3/16 25.38 6.22 24.4 0 0 0 First-class 62 8596 4401 140 6/42 31.43 3.07 61.4 4 1 List A 129 5724 4273 116 4/19 4/19 36.83 4.47 49.3 2 0 0 Twenty20 50 47 1068 1070 40 4/19 4/19 26.75 6.01 26.7 1 0 Thandi Tshabalala Batting and fielding averages Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 4s 6s Ct St ODIs 4 1 1 2 2* - 3 66.66 0 0 0 0 0 0 First-class 55 78 14 775 55 12.10 1995 38.84 0 2 22 0 List A 87 31 14 141 17* 8.29 271 52.02 0 0 16 0 Twenty20 45 9 6 62 21* 20.66 70 88.57 0 0 7 0 12 0 Bowling averages Mat Inns Balls Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 4w 5w 10 ODIs 4 4 150 151 3 1/30 1/30 50.33 6.04 50.0 0 0 0 First-class 55 7398 4559 112 5/68 40.70 3.69 66.0 3 2 0 List A 87 3401 2855 75 4/24 4/24 38.06 5.03 45.3 2 0 0 Twenty20 45 43 817 912 48 4/13 4/13 19.00 6.69 17.0 1 0 0 So by stats alone do you still believe that these players are better on merrit? As for the rugby team they've lifted two world cups. As for bafanna their record is pathetic.
Realist2/25/2010 3:46 PM
I have just had a horrible thought - would a union between Sammy and WInnie result in a Julius ? Or maybe it did as the thought pattern is the same
William2/25/2010 3:23 PM
First Indian gay was Sam Ramsamy hehe
Realist2/25/2010 3:23 PM
Hey Sammy - have you ever played sport at a decent level? If whinging was a olympic sport you would be a shoe in for a medal next time. Please get it into your head that while you can decide who represents us the big world does not care - they judge on ability alone . I hope bafana bafana are not a sign of things to come as last time I looked ( boring !) they looked very "representative"
HJ2/25/2010 3:07 PM
What an idiot, I have never heard a sensible word out of his mouth I wonder how he got onto the IOC. Maybe he should have a look at how the non-whites did with our athletics and our soccer from 16 position to 81 wow!!
Capital Q2/25/2010 2:59 PM
Sam, you seem to be ignorant of the damage which the ruling government is doing. It is not whites who are reluctant to forgive, but rather the ANC who are purposefully keeping the majority of south africans ignorant and uneducted with their inane policies, complete corruption and inability to fix the basic issues of housing, education, and medical. It has NOTHING to do with white people, and your suggestion that it is, is insulting!
gjd217772/25/2010 2:58 PM
Racism, boring boring boring. Move on, best man for the job! I think Sam should move to Zim and work for Bob!
gjd217772/25/2010 2:50 PM
Racism, boring boring boring. Move on, best man for the job! I think Sam should move to Zim and work for Bob!
Robert Kay2/25/2010 2:50 PM
Just seeing that grin again makes me want to bring up my lunch! The man who received fancy watches and goodness knows what else from crooked and convicted criminals. You make me sick Rammy!!
Jane2/25/2010 2:37 PM
'vOICE OF REASON you are wrong .. PRIVATE SCHOOLS ARE not predominantly WHITE .. all fat black cats' children are in these schools .. ask Naledi Pandor and friens. Wake up boy .. MOST private schools are English so once again you can't blame the white AFRIKANER for something either !
Bandana2/25/2010 2:33 PM
Why dont we have more black national swimmers? Come on Sam what are you doing to promote black swimming? There is a free ocean to practise in, dont say the white man never gave the black man anything...swim, be free!
Bakkies2/25/2010 2:29 PM
Bafana will never again play in a world cup unless all the players are not black. You can not win something without working for it and 80% of the populasion do not know what the word means!
Graham2/25/2010 2:18 PM
Sammy or as you like to be known - little hitler - you were useless at Swim SA and are probably still useless today. Go bake home to darkest africa where you were born as you are not even a natural south african.
Graham2/25/2010 2:17 PM
Sammy the same fool who complained the SA Swimming tean for the 2004 Olympics was "lilly white". If you and your goons hed selected a female medley relay side (they HAD qualified) we whould have ahd a NON white breastroker in the team! This might however had means one of the officials would have had to stay home - NEVER - rather pull the relay side and send another useless official.!
Eugene ter2/25/2010 2:05 PM
Hi Athelete, i really find you statement disturbing, why do you that blacks only die of aids after companies train them? all other people are constructive but that statements doesnt differ much from that of Sammy
@ Allan2/25/2010 2:03 PM
Allan, dude....it has nothing to do with been white! It has to do with the BEST people for the sport or job. Successful teams build strong, healthy, profitable brands. Lets get with the program Bud!
Pine2/25/2010 2:03 PM
yes sam, the white population are seemingly cumbersome to embrace what's being dealt to us....maybe its because we have to listen to the gibberish being uttered by clowns like yourself, Vuvuzela Malema and Steve Komphela. Get the chips off your shoulders and let the sportsmen and women do what they do best....play sports!!
cammie2/25/2010 2:03 PM
It would be great if News24 could forward this feeder page on to Ramsamy. The overall reaction (99.9%) is the same - the only racist here is Ramsamy himself. As was so succinctly put by a contributor, how many black swimmers were cultivated for SA when he was in charge? In fact, how many world-renowned black swimmers are there representing any country? Another, was the make-up of the USA Basketball Team - 90% Black, when they only represent 22% of the American population. It's time the likes of Ramsamy were forwarded feeders such as this - perhaps he, or someone close to him, would realise what inane and racial comments he has made here. PLEASE - GET THIS TO HIM ASAP!!!!!
BRET2/25/2010 2:00 PM
And all our Sports administrators are "Too Black"
Grumpy Taxpayer2/25/2010 1:57 PM
Yes Sir !!! And you are still not black enough Ramsamy !!! R@cIST M>>O>>>R>>>O>>>N
Shaking my head2/25/2010 1:55 PM
You know whats becoming ridiculous... the statement "whether all whites have understood and accepted..:" why is it only the white man that must understand and accept??? It takes two to tango does it not??? i am sorry but we have reached a point where the white man can no longer be blamed for everything. Is it not the black man in power now?? Has the black man not been inpower for quite some time now?? I dont say this as a racist a say this as a concerned citizen of a country he loves who knows that thw world believes these nonsense being said... the Brits cant think for themselves so dont feed them crap!!!!Sam speak for yourself and not for the rest of the country,... we DONT want you representing us when you give your idiotic opinions and answers on behalf of us.... Why am I even replying to this... Sam will probably get some prize of some sorts in anycase... futile
@ Allan2/25/2010 1:54 PM
Allan, dude....it has nothing to do with been white! It has to do with the BEST people for the sport or job. Successful teams build strong, healthy, profitable brands. Lets get with the program Bud!
Bandana2/25/2010 1:54 PM
Why dont we have more black national swimmers? Come on Sam what are you doing to promote black swimming? There is a free ocean to practise in, dont say the white man never gave the black man anything...swim, be free!
Alan2/25/2010 1:41 PM
I agree with Sam. Unforrtunately the "truth"hurts. Some of us whites don't want to hear such comments. But, like I said Sam is just speaking the fact. And it is not just in Sport, but also in businesses.
Delano2/25/2010 1:17 PM
Moron.
White2/25/2010 1:14 PM
Get gnomes, dwarfs and pigmee'sto play for us
Robbie2/25/2010 1:11 PM
Hey Sam you(insert the afrikaans word for "big box" here) !!! Tell me, where did you get the idiotic idea that a sports team should represent the demographics of a particular country?It goes directly against your own IOC charter to pick a team on color,so wtf are you talking about. Secondly,why have you not done your job and suspended S.A. from the olympics for this transgression? This is absolute nonsense,and comming from a representstive of the IOC ...i would be worried about loosing my job if i were you. Why do we accept this arrogant attitude from our sport administrators,we should tell him to shut up and do his job,that is admin work. He is not our boss, we ,the sports people should slap him down.
Pottas2/25/2010 1:07 PM
Why did you marry a white women, if you hate all whites.
Mike2/25/2010 1:05 PM
Lets think about this........the team gets chosen on colour/politics/whatever....then....they get there butts whipped......the coach gets sacked.....spot the pattern? Imagine how good the player must feel knowing that he is there because he is of "colour" not because he is the best! Time for the sportsman and woman to start speaking up, let be honest and nominate the team due to skill!
Robi2/25/2010 1:00 PM
What more can I add to the barrage of comments left in response to sami's assinine statements. Ramsammy was always anti white sport when he kept us out of the olympics - now we aren't integrated enough - but what about the pathetic bafana bafana? maybe if they were less integrated they would be less pathetic. Maybe sami should stick to Bunny races and leave SA sport to real SA'ns
StaalBurgher2/25/2010 12:59 PM
...and to add to my previous comment... stop your racist ramblings Sam! That is all this transformation business is. It is racism against whites pure and simple.
StaalBurgher2/25/2010 12:58 PM
So is he saying it is the white man's fault that the BLACK government has failed to deliver the needed facilities, coaches at school level & college level etc in order to incorporate the black majority into the industry? Typical. Let us not develop anything and just redistribute what is already there... standard African modus operandi. Not too mention that the coloured community seems to be doing very well in both rugby and cricket which brings us back to the oft ignored requirement of actually wanting to participate in a sport. If 90% of your African-black population does not support a particular sport and do not encourage their children to participate and assist them to reach the highest levels then what exactly are you surprised about? There are plenty of white and coloured communities that live and breath rugby and thus they produce many players.
Joanna2/25/2010 12:54 PM
Then please invest a lot more money in each and every sport. We might even be able to have an all black bob sleigh team in the next winter olympics. !!
Johan2/25/2010 12:51 PM
Een van die dae is dit "South - Africa" se all blacks teen "New Zeeland" se all blacks. Zimbabwe hier kom ons.
Darren2/25/2010 12:43 PM
Here is an easy comparison, compare the played/win/loss record of our too white rugby team against that of our predominantly black soccer team ? And sammy, your not even proudly south african, you import special !!!
Ortos2/25/2010 12:42 PM
Is ignorance and stupidity hereditory? Sam in your case i seriously doubt it! Please stay on that little grey rock as you clearly have the same iq as a garden hose. dumb ass!
BOER2/25/2010 12:40 PM
Gaan vreet 'n samosa in jou eie land tharra!!!!!!
Ingo2/25/2010 12:32 PM
as long as you are asking this question - the answer will be yes!
Jean2/25/2010 12:28 PM
Dear Sam, I see that you are in London? Please stay there , we don't need any more of you sad cases in this country. Our sport is doing well old friend. We need people like you to rather shut up and drink tea with the queen rather than interfere with our sports in SA! Every black person in SA, has an opportunity to play and well done to those who make use of their talent. We should rather pick on talent than on skin color, as some people play in the National squads by hook or by crook. I suppose these conversations will go on forever but do me a favor, SHUT UP and let us carry on with our lives......... you muppet
@Mr Ramsamy2/25/2010 12:28 PM
Mr Ramsamy you are a idiot. I am indian and the bottom line is you can scream transformation how much you want but the fact is, when it comes to representing your country you have to pick the best possible players. All you politicians and ANC a@$ suckers say we need more black players representing S.A , if they are good enough they will represent our country. the truth is to be the best at any sport you need to have 90% discipline commitment and brains and 10% percent skill or talent. the problem here is the sportsmen in S.A are not the ones with the most talent, its the one's with the most discipline. Discipline means when someone criticises you, you take it constructively and work harder to prove them wrong. not toitoi and say people are being racist and criticising you because you are black. And as for you and your all mightyness, you think because us Indians are not white skinned we are considered black. you are so wrong in the real world that us normal indian people live. if the is a position that we can apply for whether in sports or general and we indians are head to head against a black S.A we indians are then considered to white. so in otherwards when yoy got your job and the other candidate you was up against was julius malema you would have not got the job because you are a indian and not a black man. so please remeber how you were brought up and keep it real. we reqal indian S.A do not suck anyone's a$@. we work hard and are proud people and you are a real disgrace to all Indians. eEven worse than MF'S Raj. And you brother taught me in school so i really now what a chop you really are. remeber i am watching you.
@TJ2/25/2010 12:27 PM
quote "Whites are denialists" - sorry for you because that is exactly what you are you deny yourselves from competing against quality there has to be quotas AA etc to make you look anything like significant. shame chip on the shoulder looser.
Grant2/25/2010 12:24 PM
I agree with Sami. We need Indians and Chinese in our rugby teams.
smuck2/25/2010 12:22 PM
watta p*%$ ! He should be sniped together with malema, bunch of racists!
mojo2/25/2010 12:20 PM
I have a suggestion for Sam and all his ilk, go to a rugby game, a cricket match, a swimming event, a hockey game and see what the racial makeup is of the attending spectators then go away and devise your 'quotas' according to that percentage. All these sports are not favoured by our black population hence we have very few eligiable black players at international level. In fact I'm sure the sports minister and all the various sports administrators don't even know the rules of these games. To make my point, turn to soccer. A game loved by our black brothers and hence a lot of participation and naturally the national team is predominantly black. For me no problem. Time to stop the skin colour crap. The best player for the job full stop.
@Siyolo2/25/2010 12:20 PM
You have just been chosen for the new Protea Rugby team. You will be playing hooker. Please don't go AWOL or get caught driving drunk before the next match against the All Mixeds (formerly know as the All Blacks). You are also tasked with the captaincy, so please prepare your losing speach (remember to blame apartheid & racist girl Helen Zille, and punt for nationalisation of mines). Good Luck Old Chap.
Dugdethug2/25/2010 12:18 PM
"We would have a tremendous super team which very few countries in the world could beat." We allready have these teams unless you refer to Bafana. Dont force black players into teams because there black, work on sports developement in underprivilaged areas and allow trained, skilled players to work there way to the top, thereby ensuring out team is the best it can be and I dont mean in turms of race.
Duncan2/25/2010 12:17 PM
Ramsamy is right. Look how well our 51% of colour our cricket team did yesterday. You are a disgrace to the advance of RSA sport and stiring race hatred. We are making steady progress without you. You should be banned from entering RSA with you attitude.. Get a life, you are so out of touch with reality you are in atime warp. What is in it for you.
Duncan2/25/2010 12:16 PM
Ramsamy is right. Look how well our 51% of colour our cricket team did yesterday. You are a disgrace to the advance of RSA sport and stiring race hatred. We are making steady progress without you. You should be banned from entering RSA with you attitude.. Get a life, you are so out of touch with reality you are in atime warp. What is in it for you.
ak2/25/2010 12:13 PM
and SA soccer is too black.... need more whites and indians
Malema2/25/2010 12:12 PM
I am so sick of this $#!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please cant you leave the sport alone! I love rugby and I dont care who is in the team as long as its the BEST 22 players there is. Thats why my BULLS and to some extend the BOKS WIN!!!!!!!!!! Go play with yourself somewhere sam.......... Leave SA Sport. People that want to play will, dont force them like in the old times....(apartheid times...a nother word that is way past its sell-by-date)
Sick of this shit!2/25/2010 12:09 PM
Ramsammy, so your ancestors came here to cut cane, from you homeland slum, you ran away into "exile" and now you want to dictate what happens in this country. If it wasn't for the whites, all our sports teams would be disgraced, with the likes of Bafana, and lets not forget our hermaphrodite brother/sister Caster.....we are the laughing stock of the world, you dumb twat! Just like Jacob and Julius, you are another stupid prick.
Lost2/25/2010 12:09 PM
I want to know is where is our President who promised a equality, how come he stands at the sideline while idiots like this and Mulema try to destroy a country, using the race card at every opportunity. My son loves playing and watching soccer and he is white and his dream is to play for Bafana Bafana - what are the chances of that happening?? He has even asked me please to buy him a Bafana shirt for the World Cup -
Spaceman2/25/2010 12:08 PM
Sam........stop living in the past! We are trying to build a country not break it down! Why don't you come back and live in SA and then shout racist speach here where we can catch you! Go back to the hole you crawled out of. It's people like you that keep the world a rotten place to live in. Why not have seperate white and black teams and then they can compete against each other!!!! Dumb a$$.
me2/25/2010 12:08 PM
Strange white South African's now also make up 30% of the English Cricket team , 20% of the English, French and Australian rugby teams we are such bastards we really are....
Realist2/25/2010 12:05 PM
Dear Sam, who prevented athletes from historically disadvantaged groups to participate, practise hard and excel in the the various sports codes? Surely not the black administrators of all the sports codes in South Africa. I think the obvious answer is that no one prevented them. The quota system at schools level provided thousands of black sportsmen and women for the sporting fraternity during the past 16 years. Where are they today? After school the choice is theirs whether to continue participating or not. What opportunities are not being provided? The clubs and the coaches are there to be utilised.
Realist2/25/2010 12:03 PM
Dear Sam, who prevented athletes from historically disadvantaged groups to participate, practise hard and excel in the the various sports codes? Surely not the black administrators of all the sports codes in South Africa. I think the obvious answer is that no one prevented them. The quota system at schools level provided thousands of black sportsmen and women for the sporting fraternity during the past 16 years. Where are they today? After school the choice is theirs whether to continue participating or not. What opportunities are not being provided? The clubs and the coaches are there to be utilised.
tony serafin2/25/2010 12:03 PM
sam, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.....no matter how much you cry foul. As a non-SA supporting sports lover, I'd love to see all Black SA teams compete and fail !! Why would anyone evn want to interview you ??
TJ2/25/2010 12:01 PM
South African whites are denialists. They make sure that they fight until they become red in the face to deny that they are still reaping the benefits of apartheid. Its funny others are even trying to fake African names to create an impression that Blacks support their nonsensical views. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Francois2/25/2010 12:01 PM
Sam, do everyone a favour and just go die! So sick of this $hit!
J ON2/25/2010 11:58 AM
They say jump you say "How high" You're brain dead. You got a ****** bullet in your head! He's just trying to appease his ANC overlords so he can get his cadre payout. Haha.
Neels2/25/2010 11:57 AM
Ai shame arme dromer. Ek wonder net of hulle enige World Cups sou gekry het as die arme wit man nie vir hulle die land opgebou het nie, Ek sien geen ander Afrika land wat eers sy hand kan opsteek vir so World Cup in enige sport nie, so voordat hulle ons witmense afkraak en sleg maak voor die wereld moet hulle erder dankie se dat ons for hulle die nodig Infrastukture gegee het om dit te kan hou.
sean2/25/2010 11:56 AM
Sam, it does not matter if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches the mouse. In plain english, if you can preform you will be in the team regardless of race.
Craig 2/25/2010 11:55 AM
Sam you are a real clown. Why can't Government and useless people like you just keep your noses out of Sport. Choose the best side - if it is all white or all black or all coloured or Indian then so be it but pick the best team. Go and tell Government that they need to do a better job at the entry levels of sport then those black players can move through the system and get their place through performance and not colour. Man everyone should get over this colour thing. We have come so far - DON'T SCREW IT UP. People like to you should be put in your place. You Racist clown..........
Dave Cohen2/25/2010 11:53 AM
Sam you achieved your goal 20 years ago. You have now become a senile old fart.
Wise old owl2/25/2010 11:50 AM
Don't worry Sam, just do like Bheki Cele and lower the percentage to between 7% and 10% the same as crime. I'm sure they will understand!
mwhens2/25/2010 11:46 AM
Shame Sam.....take that chip off your shoulder now.....its gotten stale.......I suppose you still don't want the Mens hockey team to go to the Olympics........huh?
Viper2/25/2010 11:45 AM
Sam you Dumb F**k!!! .. it is becuase of people like you with no freaking brains that this country is where it is. You talk of integration. Where the hell is integration in soccer????
ian2/25/2010 11:43 AM
I certainly dont mind any body of any colour in my team as long as they are there on merit. Lets face ot though, different people have different aspirations. For instance, Rugby has no where near the appeal for the average black South African that Soccer has. Not too many Indians want to play rugby. They prefer cricket. I know these are generalizations BUT gerenarlly that is the case.
Etienne2/25/2010 11:39 AM
Is this dude still alive. I thought he would have died of idiocy by now. I am so sick and tired of hearing how wonderful black people are and how crap whites are. Sam Ramsamy se ma se epos
Knopkierie2/25/2010 11:33 AM
Hey Sam, how much did Malema pay you to utter that nonsense?
Vo2/25/2010 11:32 AM
Sam Ram go jump in the lake and drown you plank,Aparteid is old news.
Jack Kukard2/25/2010 11:32 AM
Hey samrammy , your kind were imported to this country many years back, so you also don't belong here , why not go back to India and get a job as a rickshaw puller .
CHeryl2/25/2010 11:24 AM
this is plain racism. Apartheid was based on race, and it was wrong, BEE is based on race, therefore also racist and WRONG!! Go on merit, forget about colour.
Karen2/25/2010 11:22 AM
Get over the "colour" issue & let us go forward earning a position in a team due to merit. Our number one aim is to produce the best team / sportsperson & WIN. Narrow minded people worry about the small details (eg. race, colour, religion etc). 16 Years later & we still worry about this. Get real or get out of the position you hold.
gatvol rassis2/25/2010 11:20 AM
listen ramsamy, you must NOT forget that the your people were imported by the british to this country. in short, if the whites doesnt belong here, so doesnt your people. and most proberly you realised it therefor you made all kinds of anti apartheids noices. so rather keep your mouth shut.
Gender swap2/25/2010 11:19 AM
Well they don't have enough black woman to run 800m and asked a black man instead.
Andre2/25/2010 11:17 AM
All you have ever done since you have held your post is play the race card. You have done nothing to raise the standard of sports in this country. Another useless leach who does not work. Do not preach to us about forgiveness. By the way, are you of South African origin or Kenyan? Did you really have to be in exile?
Dammit2/25/2010 11:16 AM
Why don't you just go ahead and make the proportional change. You have the power to do it So Just do It and stop the whining.
Airwolf2/25/2010 11:14 AM
You go Sam!! in the old days people were forced apart, now you want to defy democracy and force them together. You have to be totally stupid to think that all sports should be "demographically" representative. Human nature does not work like that, neither does social engineering.
Stella2/25/2010 11:13 AM
Yes, lets do that, so that we can make our names pôpô again in front of the whole world. Internationally we're seen as idiots ! wonder who's to blame for that. Get a grip !!!! Apartheid is old news.
eh2/25/2010 11:13 AM
Sam you moron.... are you looking for attention again? Surely you give us whites too much credit? 16 Years of us previously advantaged having no real legaslative say, no real influence wrt government spending, a pro black labour legislation, open access to any sport, plenty of black administrators in previously whilte dominated sports (like yourself) and you still feel disempowered. Look in the mirror to where your problem lies.
Natureboy79102/25/2010 11:13 AM
this country will never move out of apartheid with people like him, always reminding us and themselves that the sport is too white. If they concentrate on funding the sport industry and on early sport development for the youth, then you will have a variety of races to choose from. ASA should stop trying to get more blacks in the sports but rather to concentrate on their administration. Lately you hear a lot of complaints from national athletes concerning salaries, sponsorships, etc. Get your house in order and invest in sport. NOT THE RACE.
Justin2/25/2010 11:11 AM
I don't mind who runs for SA; plays soccer, rugby, cricket, tennis. As LONG AS THEY WIN MATCHES, SCORE GOALS AND QUALIFY! I only believe its fair to the black sports player put in a team that he knows he is better and he feels he is better than a white player then its fair. I hate to have players put in because they black but not ready, that just sets up disaster for the player. Govt must increase spending in ground level sports coaching, include PE in education and ensure that all coaches are kept up to speed.
eh2/25/2010 11:11 AM
Sam you moron.... are you looking for attention again? Surely you give us whites too much credit? 16 Years of us previously advantaged having no real legaslative say, no real influence wrt government spending, a pro black labour legislation, open access to any sport, plenty of black administrators in previously whilte dominated sports (like yourself) and you still feel disempowered. Look in the mirror to where your problem lies.
mikeh2/25/2010 11:11 AM
If they don't want to plat, they don't have to play. If they are not good enough they are not good enough. The USA basketball team is 90% Black even though Blacks only make up 22% of the USA population. Some races are better at certain sports than others, don't you know that Mr. Ramsamy???????
Hockey player2/25/2010 11:09 AM
Please ask Sam Ramsamy how many black swimmers were developed under his tutelage whilst he was in charge???
morne2/25/2010 11:07 AM
This delusional terrorist should be executed!!!!
Frik2/25/2010 11:07 AM
What a genius, that is probability why the black forgiveness manifests itself in cruel, senseless murders of black on white. Wake up ding bat, were you born stupid or did you become like this later on in life.
Gunner2/25/2010 11:07 AM
simple solution.... supportArsenal!!!!!! Their quotas are quite good!
Jakes2/25/2010 11:05 AM
Fully integrated hey? That means that all teams should comprise of all races/cultures present in the country! Why are their no Whites in our soccer team??? All teams should then include white, black, asian, coloured, and every other race that makes up our rainbow nation. When you start speaking like that, and don't complain about a non-white soccer team, it clearly shows you are only being racist!!! Sport has to do with ability! Best player for each position, or best athlete for a specific sport! RACE has nothing to do with it! Don't be an idiot!!! This is nothing but REVERSE APARTHEID!!!
Darren2/25/2010 11:05 AM
Its becoming a trend for people who are at the end of the road, people who are no longer in the spot light, ALL they need to do is complain about whites and BAMMM, they are in the spot light again !!! Im so sick and tired of everyone complaining about everything being white. When last did you have a white waiter, banker, tele-operator helping you. Maybe we need to complain about bafana, crime corruption ect.
Dean2/25/2010 11:05 AM
this is an idiot, must be a malema relative. just watching the cricket and seeing how well players like prince and co are doing and keeping guys like van jaarsveld out is more then proof that if you are good enough you play...idiots like this are never satisifed untill you are chosen for your skin colour and not skill.. we will become another zimababwe in the world of cricket soon... bloody idiot
Sox2/25/2010 11:03 AM
To be in South African cricket team you need to have plastic surgery like Michael Jackson so you dont have to prove yourself million times to be in the team, we know!
Lost2/25/2010 11:02 AM
I want to know is where is our President who promised a equality, how come he stands at the sideline while idiots like this and Mulema try to destroy a country, using the race card at every opportunity. My son loves playing and watching soccer and he is white and his dream is to play for Bafana Bafana - what are the chances of that happening?? He has even asked me please to buy him a Bafana shirt for the World Cup -
Point Blank2/25/2010 11:01 AM
Sam Ramsamy, are you feeling left out? Why is it that when a politician get's air time the rest of them suddenly scramble to get noticed as well??? And what does he mean by "most whites"??? Who is he to speak on our behalf, the fact is, and I speak as a white person, that we don't give a hoot about colour but merit and skill. If it is going to take another 20 years for the development to trickle down to the PDV then who's fault is that? Not the whites! The useless corrupt sport administrators who spoil themselves at every given opportunity instead of using the money to develop talent.
Benzo2/25/2010 11:01 AM
This is so..booooooooooring. Can somebody shut him up forever, please!!
Zappa2/25/2010 11:00 AM
Sammy boy.....what dribble you can sprout, once and for all shut up and dissapear, we have had enough of your sort. Move on get over it, and stop being stuck in the past...blah blah blah
F12/25/2010 10:54 AM
Bless him with DKB !!
ONLY ME2/25/2010 10:52 AM
@ Mark---Yes race again lets look at our Soccer team, problem here is that FIFA has policy which prohibits political interference in soccer, so if quota system is imposed on soccer, FIFA would suspend RSA period.Problem is that if soccer was mainly white team same would apply. The fact that it is a mainly black team is a releif to these idiotic politicians.Because if white their quota @!!@## would not be able to be applied.So lets stuff up other sports coz no prohibitions in place there.......
Graham2/25/2010 10:50 AM
Sammy--did you see how well the Proteas did against India yesterday when they had 6 players of colour out of 11 in the team.
Dave2/25/2010 10:49 AM
yes . look at our soccer team 99 percent black and they still cant play football . choose players on merit and not colour
richard2/25/2010 10:48 AM
Are we really still going on about this. Step1.Find Talent Step2. Place talent in team Step3. Win games Step4. Smile. White / Black / Coloured... it does not matter.. talent is the only consideration.
Dean2/25/2010 10:47 AM
"We are trying to normalise the situation but I'm not sure all South African whites understand that. That is a concern of mine. Moves are being made to ensure equal opportunities for all but it's coming very, very slowly. we want to normalize by discrimination against the currently disadvantaged! LOL
Steven2/25/2010 10:47 AM
I blame the reporter for doing this article. Was there nothing better to write about today? SA journalists are lazy and pathetic and would rather provoke readers than research a proper story or air an informed opinion. That's why we have relics of the past like the useless Ramsamy or the equally pathetic Julius Malema in our newspapers. Why not write about Eugene Terblanche tommorrow and a projected rise from the ashes? That should stir the pot! Get a life, Journalists.
Felix2/25/2010 10:47 AM
It’s been 20 years sins Mandela’s release. Is it the white’s fault for being good in a specific sport. We gave all races enough opportunity over the last 10 years or so to “catch-up” with us. Those who made it (and are good enough) are in the teams. Don’t you know what happens when you put someone in a team that’s not good enough? Think about it for once – grow up! Sam is currently one of the biggest racists in the country. Wake up my brother!!!
Harold2/25/2010 10:46 AM
I am all for balcks being given an equal oportunity in all sports but the reason non-whites are slow to break into these teams rests squarly on the shoulders of the government who only talk the talk. Take a look at the facilities in our rural and some suburban schools and you will see why many blacks cannot make the grade in sports like cricket and rugby. Black rugby players all come from private schools which doesn't justify transformation. Grass roots development is the key to transformation and unless the "grass" in our schools are condusive to proper development of sportsmen and women, transformation will be muted.
Lize2/25/2010 10:44 AM
I don’t think we should use Politics & Sport in the same sentence!!!!!! BUT Maybe if we had more ‘WHITE players’ in die Bafana Team ……. Who knows .......We could actually win a game!
Lize2/25/2010 10:43 AM
I don’t think we should use Politics & Sport in the same sentence!!!!!! BUT Maybe if we had more ‘WHITE players’ in die Bafana Team ……. Who knows .......We could actually win a game!
optimist2/25/2010 10:42 AM
we want indians in the PSL and SRINGBOK teams as well Sam
Taups2/25/2010 10:42 AM
It is a flawed argument to expect equal representation across the board for everything. If we look at another minority groups in the world for example 12% of the US is Black/African American, however some sports have a far greater % representation of blacks in America especially athletics., and the same is true for European countries such as UK & France?
Laurie2/25/2010 10:42 AM
If 20% is capable of keeping 80% out of sports teams it only means one thing. The 20% is still the super race around which sport and the economy revolves.
Greg2/25/2010 10:41 AM
Hey Sam. Why dont you organise an athletic competition between all the law enforcement agencies. Dont leave the JMPD out. We all need a good laugh now that Julius has become boring.
elsa2/25/2010 10:40 AM
Sam is a frikkin racist. the soccer team can't even get a place in the Africa cup of Nations. Maybe sam will pay fifa to let the soccer team get a place in the second round of the world cup. Or maybe he should make the whole team white so that they can make the second round because they WON. It is racists like you and malema that prevents people in this country to support one another no matter the skin colour. You should be jailed for racism.
D Man2/25/2010 10:40 AM
HELLLOOOO moron! Just look to our wonderful soccer team that is majority black, and see their wonderful world rating!! Then look to our amazing rugby team and look at their rating. Even though our cricketers are choking, look at their rating....see a pattern emerging? It appears that many (not all) black men are racists to towards whites and here is a prime example..
Laurie2/25/2010 10:40 AM
If 20% is capable of keeping 80% out of sports teams it only means one thing. The 20% is still the super race around which sport and the economy revolves.
The One2/25/2010 10:39 AM
Y does it ALWAYS have to be about race just take the best man for the job not on color but skill in the relavant sport maybe if Sam thought about that our country would finally be on the road ahead and not always blaming the past
Chris2/25/2010 10:37 AM
So who is accountable? are there not pannels in place to ensure intergration of sports?? does this not mean that those appointed to do the job of intergration in sport are doin NOTHING?? why are the politicians that made all these promises not being held accountable. any idiot can say we have a problem, but none of them actually put a solution in place.
CITIZEN2/25/2010 10:37 AM
Sam , before '94 it was apartheid and the whites who don't give the blacks a change . 16 years later it is still the whites who dominate sport . Don't yoy get it . You must be the best to be in a team . The fastest runner wins the price , your skin got nothing to do with it .
Mkita2/25/2010 10:36 AM
You F***kin doos!!! people like you irritate me. I put you in the same league as Julius Malema (No brains at all!)
Winner2/25/2010 10:35 AM
When will this nonsense ever stop!!! Almost 15 years in democracy!!! Most of the sport players in South Africa did not compete under apartheid & was not even born!!! Players representing a national team should be the best and not based on Race or skin color!!! All sporting codes that are race based are in a mess e.g. soccer & athletics! Maybe he is trying to become the Minister of Sport...... KEEP POLITICS OUT OF SPORT!!!
Siyolo2/25/2010 10:35 AM
More blacks in the teams mean more victories........Enough with the lilly white rugby and cricket teams, lets follow in bafana bafanas footsteps!!! I look forward to seeing talent like Tsolekile, Zondeki and Tshabalala in the proteas outfit!!
Baas Koos2/25/2010 10:34 AM
Oh please catch a wake ramsammy...... to be able to play, you must be good enough to play in the team... not back enough... STOP THIS SH@IT NOW!!!! nothing is owed to you.... if you can catch a ball welldone!! but that does not mean you can play for the provincial teams! earn your right to be there.... not by color!!
spartikus2/25/2010 10:34 AM
The 80% havent yet reconciled Sam, the blacks still hate the whites even if you were part of apartheid or not, for every problem in life they blame apartheid and I am so fed up with it. If you want something work for it and keep politics out of sport. Sam while you are at it change a few street names also hopefully you will feel better
Dicky Doorknob2/25/2010 10:34 AM
Rathbone, Pietersen, etc. will be hailed as geniuses for leaving when they did... And just by the way, the Cape Cobras recently played with 8 "non whites" in their team. But I guess that isn't good enough is it..?
BlouBul2/25/2010 10:33 AM
This is so funny. One thing they should realise is that you can't have a team full of thieves and corrupt officials, the money doesn't fall out of the sky. There will be nothing left Mr Sam Mugabe.
Ian2/25/2010 10:30 AM
You condescending moron. 'Nuff said.
Dirky2/25/2010 10:28 AM
I keep saying this, let your kids play individual sports, Golf, Tennis etc. James Kamte ''black'', is a great RSA golfer and does'nt start a golf tournament with 2 free birdies because he is black. He has talent and came through a proper developemt program and made the grade. Team sports will always be riddled with problems of who should be in the team and who should'nt. Professional Sports men and woman should chase the money, screw national pride. Kevin Peterson recognised this bull years ago, so did Bennie, and Clyde Rathbone.
Feet 252/25/2010 10:28 AM
"whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance." This dude does not realise that there is no acceptance in SA. What about the fact that there is not enough whites in Bafana Bafana??? As for trying to host the Olympics in SA, dude, what are you smoking? We have got the highest crime rate in the world. No one would want to come here out of own free will, if they had sense.
Mike2/25/2010 10:25 AM
Sam's the biggest racist in South Africa with the biggest chip on his shoulder .... this rhetoric is outdated and boring. Retire Sam once and for all for the good of all South Africans!
Jimbo2/25/2010 10:25 AM
Sammy come back and do something about it if you feel so stronly, Talk is cheap, stop shouting the odds from London JERK. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE ????????????????
Mamparra2/25/2010 10:25 AM
Our government are almost just black representated and the are doing such a good job hey Sammy...?!
Mike2/25/2010 10:24 AM
Sam's the biggest racist in South Africa with the biggest chip on his shoulder .... this rhetoric is outdated and boring. Retire Sam once and for all for the good of all South Africans!
Ja ok!2/25/2010 10:22 AM
Es reg so baas Sam ons sal so maak bas Sam.Al es helle nie goed ganoeg who cares sport ga mos nie oor wen of hoe goed djy es nie det ga net orri clour! Viva Afrika viva! Begent da by die Bloubelle dan onse ander provinces helle gan ok kans kry om helle te kan wen bas Sem! Uit metti Morne in metti Dollie! Uit met die Fourie da Prie en in metti January!Chilliboy vorri cattain enni Watson vorri Manager!
Cyotee2/25/2010 10:22 AM
SAM - you are old and bitter man. I believe a person should be selected to be in sports team based on ability, you cant base on colour. if thats the case we can assume all red cars are faster than blue cars, its ability not equity. We need to be able to compete against the BEST in the world, there for we need the BEST in the country. I am not saying there are no good players, but.... Oh an another thing - the whites have tried to reconcile , but the difficulty comes in where there are not good enough because they are to too white, especially in the employment sector, the best candidate can be white, but you have to take the second rate candidate becaus ehe is black - what ever happened to may the best man win.
Eric Louw2/25/2010 10:18 AM
You are so correct Sam! Our teams are not yet mediocre enough measured against world standards. Who are white and black South Africans in any event to want to be the best they can possibly be.
Whiteman2/25/2010 10:18 AM
What a moron!!!,does he think that Blacks can actualy make the team better??NO !!!
Nick2/25/2010 10:16 AM
Excuse me Sam, but you are out of touch with progress here in South Africa.....everyone here gets what they want, PURELY ON MERIT....take Julius Malema for example ??
Ryan2/25/2010 10:15 AM
GET OVER IT NOW !!! There is more important issues in life.. DUM ASS
Biraj Naidoo2/25/2010 10:14 AM
Look guys, another South African making a fool of himself. How come our country gets all the fools speaking to the media?
Oneman2/25/2010 10:13 AM
LOL, this a$$ thinks the same line he used 20 years ago is still fine for today. YOU IDIOT SAMMY BOY.
Here we go again2/25/2010 10:12 AM
I don't believe it: government has the power to change stuff (I mean look at the botched land claims situation), and yet people still complain about "too white sports". If it is such an issue, make a law against it, or better yet - spend the money you use for travelling to London for racist media sessions on getting the potential black sportsmen/women to actually compete, be seen, and in doing so perhaps be chosen for a team based on them having talent and actually being there. YOU HAVE TO BE IN IT TO WIN IT!!!!!
George2/25/2010 10:11 AM
Mr Ramsamy - you are too old now, you need to move on and get rid of that chip on your shoulder. South Africans are doing very well as a nation and we don't need your racist comments anymore. I work with indians and blacks and do not have a problem at all. It's administrator like you ressurecting the past that sow this seed of discontent.
piet2/25/2010 10:11 AM
Sam you obviously dont watch school sport.Kids today dont have your hangups and play for the love of the sport.It is you who are stopping black kids from benefitting by forcing them to play when they are not ready.Sam just look at the end of the 20/20 semi final last night to see inter racial harmony.
ag 2/25/2010 10:10 AM
it is your fault you fat cat. maybe you should provide the people of colour who are the majority with some equipment and facilities to improve, but no you only look after yourself. I currently sponser a black team in rural area of eastern cape with rugby balls etc. you are failing your own people. PLEASE STOP THE WHITE AND BLACK CARD IT GETTING ANNOYING. Who hates the BEAST?HABANNA?PETERSON?NDUNGANI BROTHERS? They good man bring the rest.Maybe the funding should get allocated to responsible people instead of fat cats that buys BMW instead. I played provinsial level in rugby and cricket , on tour MTN sponsered be the funds were controlled by our coach and manager who abused the funds.
Michael Bowery2/25/2010 10:05 AM
Hello again, here comes Sam, Suddenly up springs Ramsamy who began his `hate white sportsmen' agenda when first on the IOC and was in the news for the freebies he received in that sinecure. Perhaps he's a little short of cash, and sixteen years later maybe he thinks it's time for another Raymond Weil watch like the one he received when he first began his litany of hate. Most whites in this country have long been happy with anyone of whatever colour playing for their country regardless of their colour. Talent and merit is the only real criteria and other agenda armchair critics such as Ramsamy,only bring our sport into disrepute. The only advantage Ramsamy brings to the table is that we might see our quota of 14% white content in the Bafana Bafana team regardless of merit. There his honesty ends as that will never happen. South Africa has changed but like Rip Van Winkle under the Jacaranda tree, Sam has suddenly woken up ffrom a deep sleep which has lasted almost twenty odd years. Go back to bed Sam, South Africa can do very well without you.
Renny2/25/2010 10:04 AM
Sam Ramsamy you are a chop Stop dividing our country, these are racist remarks,you fool, wake up. You are just as bad as the AWB
the real cj2/25/2010 10:03 AM
three new sports to make it at the next olympics Crime, Corruption and Reproduction. No-one will have any issues with selection by merit.
Michael Bowery2/25/2010 10:03 AM
Hello again, here comes Sam, Suddenly up springs Ramsamy who began his `hate white sportsmen' agenda when first on the IOC and was in the news for the freebies he received in that sinecure. Perhaps he's a little short of cash, and sixteen years later maybe he thinks it's time for another Raymond Weil watch like the one he received when he first began his litany of hate. Most whites in this country have long been happy with anyone of whatever colour playing for their country regardless of their colour. Talent and merit is the only real criteria and other agenda armchair critics such as Ramsamy,only bring our sport into disrepute. The only advantage Ramsamy brings to the table is that we might see our quota of 14% white content in the Bafana Bafana team regardless of merit. There his honesty ends as that will never happen. South Africa has changed but like Rip Van Winkle under the Jacaranda tree, Sam has suddenly woken up ffrom a deep sleep which has lasted almost twenty odd years. Go back to bed Sam, South Africa can do very well without you.
stuart2/25/2010 10:03 AM
like education if you look at the end result --matric you are looking at th wrong end --junior quality education is where it starts if you applied same logic to sport you woulg get a full team of blaccks one year and one team of whites the next and it would not matter as they would be south african
Trooper2/25/2010 10:01 AM
In the unlikely event that they include WHITES in the ever-so-struggling Bafana-Banana team, they may just perform. But i am sure they will blame apartheid for Bafana's crap performance anyway... They are still stuck in "the struggle"!
LH1932/25/2010 10:01 AM
Have these frikken idiots there in their grand offices ever thought of people's preferences to play the sport they like and not try to push them into something they don't have the skills to do just because of the colour of their skin???????? Why do they not have these forced integration into soccer???????????? I've got nothing against sportsmen/women of colour if they've got the skills, by all means let them play, we will support them but PLEASE JUST WAKE UP!!!! THIS IS GETTING VERY BORING
IQ2/25/2010 10:00 AM
Dont you get it SAM... The world do not want to compete against your second rate teams and players. That is why they are called the best in the world!
whatalol2/25/2010 9:59 AM
forgiveness? i was a baby during apartheid, what should i apologize for? lots of the young ppl these days are born into the new south africa, so whatever happens atm isnt because of the past. and you mr are the one talking about 20% this and 80% that, instead of "100% of south african this and that"... maybe having ppl in charge that used to also live in the old days isnt a good idea since alot of things cloud their judgement
IQ2/25/2010 9:58 AM
Dont you het it SAM... The world do not want to compete against your second rate teams and players. That is why they are called the best in the world!
cassuis2/25/2010 9:57 AM
OK Sam- you can get 80% slots in all sports teams to go make a ass of yourself, then we DEMAND to pay only 20% of the countries taxes who's floating 80% of the freeloafers- how's that for a deal???
Andrew2/25/2010 9:57 AM
Suppose he has got to keep himself in the lielight - somehow. Might as well make a fool of himself - works well to get yourself in the headlines
saki2/25/2010 9:57 AM
Mr Ramsamy wake up and smell the coffee, its 2010 not 1990, I agree that sports should have no colour boundrys but strongly disagree that sportsman should be put into teams because of colour, South Africa should use acadamys to progress sportsman over time. Im sure your dream will be a reality in years to come when South Africa is represented by South African sportsmen deserving of a place in a national side irespective of colour. The old apartheid & race card is not going to buy you sympathy or votes, we are all south africans and want our team to win.
Flash2/25/2010 9:57 AM
Whites have been living in a black dominated country for almost 16 years now. If there are not enough black sportsman in certain sports then that means that they are not good enough, not because they are black.
Wade2/25/2010 9:56 AM
OMG will it ever end, not in our lifetimes or our kids or even our grandkids.
cammie2/25/2010 9:56 AM
Ramsamy's comments smack of nothing more than arrogance and bitterness. It would do him well to perhaps adopt the genuineness of Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu. If his aim is to bring reconciliation and ubuntu to our country via the sporting codes, he has failed miserably!!! This statement reeks of reverse racism and nothing more. I for one do not give a damn what the colour of the skin of any sports person representing our country, as long as they have been selected on merit, and merit alone! Sport is one of the few vehicles which can go such a long way to unite the people of our country, but the politicians are doing everything in their power to ensure that this does not happen. Could Ramsay perhaps tell us what the sporting code of the IOC is? If he knows it, it is purely by rote, and sure as hell not by his actions!!!!
Marius2/25/2010 9:56 AM
Kyk boetie verstaan my nou baie mooi...eks goed keel vol vir die nonsens!!!!!jy wil net 'n swart span he maak nie saak of hulle goed genoeg is nie jy soek net swartes daar in!!!!en dis apartheid weer van voor af!!!!as julle regtig almal 'n gelyke kans wil gee,moet dan nie toelaat dat jou kleur bepaal of jy in 'n span is of nie,maar laat meriete dit liewer bepaal!!'n spul korupte en ongeletterde is aan bewind van 'n wonderlike land.hulle wory nie oor gelyke regte nie man hulle wil net hul self verryk!!
Paul2/25/2010 9:56 AM
Sam - have you looked at the compisition of our National Soccer Team(BAFANA BAFANA) and the % of whites in the team and were are they ranked in the wold,no where!!!!!Stop talking sense...nonsence!!!!!
@SAMMY2/25/2010 9:56 AM
Sam, explain what has happened to the Soweto Cricket field. Pefect facilities 10 years ago. What state is it in now? Why has it been so badly neglected. Please start looking after the previously disadvanraged properly.
William2/25/2010 9:56 AM
Anybody still waving the race ticket needs serious psychological help and therapy. If you don't raise nothing, there will be nothing and take the SA soccer team namely bafana bafana as a prime example of a predominantly black team with outstanding performance and a great track history of being unbeaten(serias) and ponder whether sport SA can afford political mingling.
piet2/25/2010 9:54 AM
When are all the whites going to be told that they are no longer able to participate in any type of sport, administrate it or even look at it via the media ( tv etc) within the borders. Just do it and the problemis solved. No more white participation and you will stop this thing about whites.
Luke2/25/2010 9:53 AM
I hope bafana is cruched !!!!!!!
Tsotsi2/25/2010 9:52 AM
Shame Sam... Still feeling inferior? This transformation is going to do nothing to your emotional dispose. Maybe you're feeling this way cause the soccer team has led you down? Oh no so your "intellectual" statement are letting you down too... Go get a life and take your grandchildren to the zoo!
Mike2/25/2010 9:52 AM
Hey Rammy do you really want to destroy all sport in this country , like the great SA soccer side the laughing stock of world soccer.While rugby no1 in the world,cricket no2 in the world because at the moment they are picked on merit & not totally on colour like the soccer.Wake up & smell the roses not all sports suits everybody.
Paul2/25/2010 9:51 AM
Whites start at school, we support our children and look after our schools we create the opportunity for our kids. We don’t sit back and say I pay R200 a year school fees, now the government must do the rest it is not my responsibility. Look at the state of the black schools why don’t the parents jump in and make the schools a healthy environment. Then you will see black kids automatically make it into the big teams.
DGWB2/25/2010 9:50 AM
Sammy didn't know you were black boet, since when?????????????? Ha ha what a joke, you are so one dimentional in your approach you see EVERYTHING in black and white but actually you see nothing
William Shakespeare2/25/2010 9:49 AM
Hey folks, it's not so bad. SA's doing just great considering we are drivin' with the handbrake on. That would make a great song. Anybody?
Fandash2/25/2010 9:48 AM
Sam believe me whites are trying very hard but articles like this do little to foster good intentions. There was an overwhelming yes vote to go down the path of ridding ourselves of the tyranny of Apartheid and this vote was from the Whites. Let us all stop casting doubts on each other as I am sure just as there are Whites not willing to move on, so there are Africans, Coloureds and Indians. Lets build this bridge and get over it and move on.
Jay Jay2/25/2010 9:48 AM
Sam, please go back to sleep! Concentrate on the spoils of your present lucrative position as an IOC member and leave us South Africans alone - we will sort out our problems ourselves. We will start by forcing a few whites into the national (all black) soccer team and the get a few of those underperforming blacks (who were selected on reputation rather than form) out of the national cricket team - we can replace them with players (of any colour) who are presently in top form.
Rascal2/25/2010 9:48 AM
Samramy, get a FRIGGIN life !!!
Gobbo2/25/2010 9:47 AM
There goes our good worldwide Rugby & Cricket reputations. Super team? why doesn't any other African country that's 100% black have a "Super Team" in any sport except spear throwing, oh sorry wait... the best spear throwers are white too.
Oneman2/25/2010 9:47 AM
Ok... I dont seem to understand here... WHY IS ALMOST THE WHOLE BLOODY BAFANA TEAM BLACK!?!?!!?!? SAM RAMSAMY YOU RACIST PIG. YOU DISGUST ME.
paul2/25/2010 9:47 AM
Do the Americans also ask if Athletics in their country is too black OR is Swimming USA too white? At the end of day you will find certain sport types attract certain groups. Is Soccer in SA too black Sammy Fanny?
Jack2/25/2010 9:46 AM
What about SA soccer Mr. Ramsey!!! Its 99.99999% BLACK as the night. Where's the transformation and equality there. Go fly a kite!
Bobby2/25/2010 9:46 AM
Im tired of hearing everything is still too white. How can that be if you take up 80% of the population and whites only 20%. I was always taught you choose the best team to represent you, not a team that you want because the system says it must be like that. Why is it that when ever we win the Rugby everyone is behind the team and not behind the colour, because it is the team that is representing SOuth Africa. Whether you are black, white coloured or Indian and you are born in South Africa, that makes you a South African. It is you the government and its officials that are still labelling the colour of the people of this Nation. MOVE ON MAN!!!!!
danie2/25/2010 9:44 AM
What the hell is wrong with you? When will the players of colour start getting off their asses and start doing something for them selves. Get a life. You do not win matches on the grounds of skin colour. What is the problem that Bafana does not perform?
Bobby2/25/2010 9:44 AM
Im tired of hearing everything is still too white. How can that be if you take up 80% of the population and whites only 20%. I was always taught you choose the best team to represent you, not a team that you want because the system says it must be like that. Why is it that when ever we win the Rugby everyone is behind the team and not behind the colour, because it is the team that is representing SOuth Africa. Whether you are black, white coloured or Indian and you are born in South Africa, that makes you a South African. It is you the government and its officials that are still labelling the colour of the people of this Nation. MOVE ON MAN!!!!!
I.Ndlovu2/25/2010 9:44 AM
Dear SAM... only humans with skills.. that counts..! To go for gender, color.. aso is real rassism.. If I have to send a team to olympics fe I would take the BEST of nation independent how they looks like!!! And same if I have business!!! So I think, a real rassist, .... thats YOU!
Irritated2/25/2010 9:44 AM
So much money and effort is being put into encouraging black sportspersons in this country. Doesn't this guy know that it takes time to build a nation. It's always about black and white and money and never about talent and heart. And that bit about whites accepting the magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance - why can't we move on? Should we be walking around saying, "shame, poor black people" for the rest of our lives. That way we will never build a nation.
Mentalsamy2/25/2010 9:43 AM
i love it when the brudders were in excile cos of the lilly white government, when white person tries to do it- the governmunt who doesnt even what them here gets involved to have him thrown out. Carry on F$%^& up the country so oneday we can do what the rest of Africa does- become refugees. Anyway getting back to the point at hand, why not change sport teams to all blacks, its been done everywhere else with amazing results- NOT. Good luck you muppet.
robbie2/25/2010 9:43 AM
As an IOC member you should be more concerned about the blatantly racist selection policies in this country,why have you kept quiet about this? According to your IOC rules ,S.A. should be suspended from competition! Why are you talking nonsense about equal opportunities,it's been 15 years and the government is to blame it inequalities exist,in other words it's directly an indictment of the black government you cretin,and certainly not the fault of the white population.Anyway your arguement is fataly flawed my friend,have you had a look at banana-banana lately! You are a member of the IOC yet you seem to know nothing about sport. You can't choose a sports team by any criteria other than picking the best players ,but you seem to have a problem with picking white players,maybe you are the racist my friend!!
gina2/25/2010 9:42 AM
Mr Ramsamy, the 80% of people in this country should first be housed and educated and have quality of life before you think of staging all black sports, and remember the 20% whites in this country had nothing to do with laws being layed down, we had to abide aswell, but what I can say is that the 80% of the population who voted for the current government, is to blame for all the failures in this country. I think that our great sports people like Hamshiem Amla will be devastated to know that he is there because of his colour.
fu22/25/2010 9:42 AM
What sport is he talking about ? What gross generalisations ! What a load of crap : South African blacks had striven to reconcile with the minority white population: "I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance. 15 yrs later ! F'U
Jo2/25/2010 9:42 AM
Only the best of players make it to play for their country, no matter of race. I'm sorry, but if you aren't good enough, find something else to do. Do you want to do good in sport or just balance the races? WTF is wrong with these people.
robbie2/25/2010 9:41 AM
As an IOC member you should be more concerned about the blatantly racist selection policies in this country,why have you kept quiet about this? According to your IOC rules ,S.A. should be suspended from competition! Why are you talking nonsense about equal opportunities,it's been 15 years and the government is to blame it inequalities exist,in other words it's directly an indictment of the black government you cretin,and certainly not the fault of the white population.Anyway your arguement is fataly flawed my friend,have you had a look at banana-banana lately! You are a member of the IOC yet you seem to know nothing about sport. You can't choose a sports team by any criteria other than picking the best players ,but you seem to have a problem with picking white players,maybe you are the racist my friend!!
kevin2/25/2010 9:41 AM
More hogwash from this monkey..."I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance" "We would have a tremendous super team which very few countires in the world could beat" Last time I looked there was one white player (9%) in the soccer team & they are ranked 86th in the world...!
Andre2/25/2010 9:41 AM
Charra bin Chut
Harris2/25/2010 9:40 AM
As previously mentioned, the super soccer team is 90% black...but it seems there are very few countries we can beat? They need more minority white players to improve the quality! As for the rest of sport...give the majority all the opportinuties SA has to offer (when the corrupt government is not stealing monies earmarked for sports development), and let them come through the ranks naturally. That way, they earn their place, and supporters (black, white, blue, pink, yellow) will unite and support the best team possible. Mr Sam Ramsamy should get his head out his @ss..."South African blacks had striven to reconcile with the minority white population". Ask Juli-ass his opinion on the matter? rest my case!
Tony2/25/2010 9:38 AM
Sam, you are playing the racecard again! When our pitch black soccer team can beat any of the top 3 soccer teams in the world there might be merit in your statement. "We would have a tremendous super team which very few countries in the world could beat." Until then grow up!
Disgusted2/25/2010 9:38 AM
This is getting pathetic now, I thought that democracy was colour blind but after 16 years it is the same bullshit. Many of my friends of colour are also getting sick of these so called Anti Apartheid capitalist doing exactly what the original apartheid people did and discriminate.
stwane2/25/2010 9:37 AM
Go back to india your racist pig!!!! I can see you need some popularity again thats why you pick on the white man, indian freak!!!
ET2/25/2010 9:37 AM
Ag please, why is always the white people... these remarks are racialy. If you want your place in a team, earn it like people do in the world, instead of jumping on the Africa band wagon, I want!
Kenny2/25/2010 9:37 AM
I HAVE NEVER MET A BIGGER RACIST THAN RAMSAMY. He is still so very into the apartheid era. He realises he is a has been and now he refers back to his years of exile while South Africa was ruled by a white minority government. Oh please SAM!!! Grow up and wake up!!! Don't you have ANYTHING constructive to say? Is your job on the line under the JZ rule??
Richard Nixon2/25/2010 9:37 AM
I agree and disagree with Ramsamy here. While I do think more black participation is needed in our sports. I don't think by replacing white players with black players will necessary translate into success on the field. Just an interesting point. Would black South Africans be happy if Bafana was 80% white but more successful? would they still support Bafana? I love rugby but if the Boks and were 80% black and successful I would still support them. hell if they were 100% black and unsuccessful I woulds still watch the games because that's my team. Any thoughts?
Adams2/25/2010 9:37 AM
All he is trying to do is say something controversial to get in the news. The opportunities afforded to blacks actually out weigh those of whites now, so zip it Ramsamy. Quotas still exist at all levels under national level, ''Black'' teams cannot, for example , be relegated from club cricket leagues, bursaries are handed out willy nilly to black kids even when they dont have the potential. He is clearly so out of touch with South African society today. Dont harp on about magnanimous gestures and whites battling to accept this, it has all been forced down our throats as the country falls apart.Open your eyes and shut your mouth Sam.
Viv2/25/2010 9:36 AM
Yet our Soccer team remains predominantly black - yet again double standards. Inclusion in any sports team should be based on talent and not colour. But that means nothing in our country - colour is everything.
draadsitter2/25/2010 9:36 AM
Is Bafana Bafana too black?
GLASNOST2/25/2010 9:36 AM
Ramsamy is out of touch--whites make up less than 10 percent of the population and this number is falling
Afsana2/25/2010 9:35 AM
Exactly, Mark, I was just about to say that. Where is the quota system in the Bafana Bafana team? Sport suppose to be a representation of the best sportsmen in the country. That's it. Or have we forgotten about that?
D2/25/2010 9:35 AM
How is he even "native" to South Africa? He is an Indian. How is he any more native than any of the whites born and bred here?
Jean2/25/2010 9:35 AM
Fair enough, provide equal opportunities for all.... go go go... know one is stopping you. I don't see any white people up in arms about improving education for all... no one is moaning about improving civil services.... We are craving it... we want it. But our government is too concerned about filling their pockets with stolen money to improve the situation for there own people and for the rest of south africa.... I say again..... Do it please.... But until that day that everyone has equal opportunities PICK THE BEST PLAYERS FOR THE TEAM PURELY BASED ON SKILL AND ABILITY...... I want to drink on a winning team over weekends!!!! PS What are you doing to benefit equality in South Africa!!! oh and while you were in exile 20 - 30years ago... i'm sure that was your biggest dream and most vivid dream... world cups in your country $$$ AND I SUPPORT THE SOCCOR WORLD CUP GO BAFANA GO
GLASNOST2/25/2010 9:35 AM
Ramsamy is out of touch--whites make up less than 10 percent of the population and this number is falling
Pieter2/25/2010 9:34 AM
Quote : "Ramsamy said although South African blacks had striven to reconcile with the minority white population: "I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance." Just plain simply, who the hell are you to talk? Are you white? The blacks are the biggest racists and as always the whites get blamed. The reason why they are not in sport so much or because Bafana are pathetic is because they are simply not good enough!! It's been 16 years!! For everyone's sake - stop STRUGGLING (AGAINST YOUR OWN BLOODY MENTALITY) and START ACHIEVING !!
GLASNOST2/25/2010 9:34 AM
Ramsamy is out of touch--whites make up less than 10 percent of the population and this number is falling
Carel2/25/2010 9:34 AM
Start worrying about why non-white sportsmen and -woman aren't good enough. Put your money into making them better so they can deserve to be picked because they are good enough...not black enough. Then everybody can stop crying "transformation an representation", which is in fact just "affirmative action" in sports...
kevin2/25/2010 9:34 AM
More hogwash from this monkey..."I don't know whether all whites have understood and accepted this magnanimity of forgiveness and acceptance" "We would have a tremendous super team which very few countires in the world could beat" Last time I looked there was one white player (9%) in the soccer team & they are ranked 86th in the world...!
Exactly!2/25/2010 9:34 AM
i agree with mark!!! the football team has always been dominated by the black population the so called 80%....superpower? i think not! so Mr Ramsamy shut uppa your face
Nick2/25/2010 9:33 AM
Ag nee man... this issue gets pumped every time someone wants some airtime in the press. Get over yourselves.
Dianne2/25/2010 9:33 AM
Sammy where you been? Thought you'd retired. Haven't heard from you in ages. Makes sense you'd be pulling the race card. Sure to get you in the headlines again! Is there an election coming up? Gee time does fly!
Dave2/25/2010 9:33 AM
I fully agree with Mr Ramsamy, however, instead of calling on the sports administrators to perform this integration, perhaps he should be calling on government figure heads to invest time and more importantly money at the grass root levels in sport so we can nurture young stars into the future champions of South African sport instead of investing time and money to better themselves as individuals i.e. lavish parties, cars, houses and the like
Ajay2/25/2010 9:33 AM
Just WTF - the white population sticks to two sports that are of no interest to the black population , what concerns this idiot is that the sports that interest and attract the white population are succesful
delboy2/25/2010 9:33 AM
you racist bas@#$%^&d - the tax payers in South Africa are also too white - wake up you piece of @#$%%!!
da da lema2/25/2010 9:33 AM
Ag shame if the minority is beter than the majority tuffies, where are the indians, chinese, moslems let alone the millions of blacks. Why is it that they can't higher their standards reason AA BEE expectations and hand outs. If you want a winning country challenge the best and win.
Balsak2/25/2010 9:32 AM
Sammy, I'm confused! What is there to understand? Understand that for the past 16 years South Africa struggled to develop the rest of the "80%" of the population. No-No-No Sam, the development was there, but unfortunately the rest of the 20% got screwed during the process, but still manage to establish institutions such as the “Legends Rugby and etc” that mainly focus on the development of the so called “80%”. Just imagine what can be achieved if you STOP your **** discrimination against the 20%. I will take you a R100,000.00 bet that we would have had a decent soccer team!!
Mikaeel2/25/2010 9:31 AM
You go Mark. WHAT ABOUT THE SOCCER !!!! THERE IS ALOT OF WHITE AND INDIAN TALENT !!!!!!! You cannot insist on transformation for white dominated sports only... What god for the goose is good for the gander ....
Joe2/25/2010 9:31 AM
It is still obvious and a great disappointment that some of the SA sport administrators still suffer of deep routed white hatred (drwh)!
Joe2/25/2010 9:31 AM
Sam you are absolutely right. the sport is still too white. What is more is that the administrators and govt involved in the sport do not want to invest in infrastructure necessary for the development at roots level. They rather use monies on travel for themselves flying business class and the like. They sell cars to themselves for R1. And they expect coaches at roots level to give up of their time for free, yet they want to go home with megabucks salaries for poor performance and we can go on. On the otherhand there are people who want to entrench their values on the sporting codes by keeping the sport lilywhite. And to those couch potatoes dont make as if this is not true. Just look at your school sports and see how talented kids get kept out of squads because of old boy influence.
R2/25/2010 9:31 AM
Sure thing, Bafana Bafana is an excellent example of this !!!!
Lola2/25/2010 9:31 AM
I feel sorry for you. Have you forgiven yourself!! How much must the whites still give to satisfy the power hungry. We are one nation and should start to accept it and move on. Whether you are black, indian or whatever we are all children of God. OM SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI
christo 2/25/2010 9:30 AM
not only pitch black, but overachievers as well. The is more apertheid now than before.
bernard2/25/2010 9:30 AM
I also think USA Basket ball teams are far too blacks...
logic2/25/2010 9:30 AM
"South African blacks had striven to reconsile..." I did not know Julius is white!!!
JJ2/25/2010 9:30 AM
Why don't these clowns stop pussyfooting around. They don't want white people in any sports or for that matter in this Country. Why not get rid of us. Or try too. Cowards!!!
Blade2/25/2010 9:29 AM
Is this now again to redirec the public from the malema sage ???
bt2/25/2010 9:29 AM
and no good!!!
Athelete2/25/2010 9:28 AM
Just look at the mess left behind by ASA administrators Just look at the state of our cricket administrators Please sammy, why wait for the whites to reconcile, there is more opportunities for blacks than for whites. We whites are not trying to deny blacks opportunities to get ahead. Our company has spent years training staff, I cant put figures as to how many we have trained , and once they become an asset to the company only to lose them through aids, murder and in car accidents.
Brad2/25/2010 9:28 AM
This is putting the cart before the horse (again). Sport is something people do who have excess time and capital. Hence, other than soccer it is mainly undertaken by whites. First provide the majority of South African's with an education, employment and security, and then extramural activities will follow naturally. A chap who is scratching together a living trying to feed a family of 6 with no education or employment opportunities does not have the time or capital space for spies-gooi or kiteboarding or.... perhaps for running and the triple pothole jump. Seriously, provide people with the basics and the rest will follow.
Jacques2/25/2010 9:28 AM
@Mark....but you have to remember that although the Apartheid system has been dead for many years, it has caused the typical modern South African Soccer player to be arrogant, lazy, ill-disciplined and with an inability to do certain basic things like...hummm....think for himself, behave himself in public, train hard for what he wants to achieve, fit into any kind of social structure.......
Gwen2/25/2010 9:28 AM
What is your point? Are not ALL the soccer players non white? I tell you what...allow half the soccer team to be white...that is equality for all is it not?
Leigh2/25/2010 9:28 AM
How about putting people in teams for their ABILITY and not their skin colour?!?! if Blacks are the best, put them in the team. if Whites are the best, then put them in the team. what about the soccer team? how many whites are there? you dont see the white people jumping up and down complaining about the fact that its mainly a black soccer team. LET IT GO! stop moaning about quota systems, etc, let the best ppl play. END.OF.STORY!!!
Burgiesburnin2/25/2010 9:28 AM
Be carefull what you wish for Mr, Ramsammy. Its been a long long time since the vote was made available to all. It will soon need to be conceeded that black sports people have only thenselves to blame if they cannot get chosen on merit. It looks to me that the 80% non white population have had a fair amount of time and should now be excelling with the opportunities that are afforded. Far from it being "the whites" that dont understand it would appear that the black sports councils have failed. Affirmative action only works in team games, induividuals are soon found out.
xp2/25/2010 9:27 AM
Well said Mark. This is the only African country that can boast about many achievements. I wonder what would happen if all minorities left SA? MMmmmm.....Uganda, Zimbabwe, Malawi, DRC, Sierra Leone, Liberia (which had no colonialism), Haiti, Angola, Tanzania, Zambia, Ivory Coast, Chad...the list goes on and you will see a correlation between the number of minorities and GDP. Stop being so Afro-centric Sammy Boy and accept that you dont have to live in those countries!! Being an Indian, you should know what happened in Africa to your brethren!
Sam Crook 2/25/2010 9:27 AM
This guy is just lloking to make money is old crook
Jacques2/25/2010 9:27 AM
@Mark....but you have to remember that although the Apartheid system has been dead for many years, it has caused the typical modern South African Soccer player to be arrogant, lazy, ill-disciplined and with an inability to do certain basic things like...hummm....think for himself, behave himself in public, train hard for what he wants to achieve, fit into any kind of social structure.......
webb2/25/2010 9:27 AM
Personally we're sick and tired of pompous, arrogant black administrators taking a dig at their white compariots. Whites, Mr Ramsamy, are also proud South Africans who do their best on the sporting field for their country - yet ignorant twits like you with deep seated racist hatred keep on knocking them for not being black enough. Athletics SA, Boxing, Soocer, in fact nearly every predominantly black run sport in SA is an embarrassing shambles, yet instead of trying to fix that, you would rather try and deflect attention elsewhere by running out the tired race card. Racist bigots like you should pack up and go to your utopian state where whites are foreever second rate citizens.
Jim2/25/2010 9:27 AM
Keep politics and politicians out of sport. If you want representative teams in the future invest in grassroots development for all now. National teams should be selected on merit and merit alone.
John2/25/2010 9:26 AM
Mr Ramsamy, in that case I do appreciate your confidence in SA taking the World cup! ....and if the Rugby Springbok team in 1995 and 2007 were a little bit more represented by blacks? I think you must consider representivity in people with passion and people who would WANT to do that sport. I'm not saying black people does not have passion, but look beyond skin colour!! It's all about the game! Bottom line; Bafana-Bafana is not a top team and their disipline is something to make one ashame!
louwrens2/25/2010 9:26 AM
@mark great comment, i wonder if all blacks have forgiven, does not look like it if i see all the comments on this site. same old boring comments from the same old farts, please move on.
Roger Taylor2/25/2010 9:26 AM
The white South African population is less than 20% of the whole South African population and we are still doing very well. Enough said.
Rye2/25/2010 9:25 AM
Yes in a world where most of us working class whites have accepted and moved on to the fact that we are one nation, we still have to listen racist remarks from FAT CATS like this, who just want to enrich themselves at the expense not of the whites but the blacks of this country.
Arthur Symington Smythe2/25/2010 9:25 AM
Ah good to see the hand out mentality alive and well. Maybe the sportsman should actually perform first
Matt_Bhengu2/25/2010 9:25 AM
Well come up with a plan Mr Ramsamy, invest money etc. Can't blame a lack of equal opportunity anymore.
Chris2/25/2010 9:25 AM
Nobody has a problem with the soccer team. It's only the Rugby and Cricket teams that get singled out. Other sport like swimming? Is this guy even living in South Africa? I do not believe there is any infringement or discrimination against any person. Can we focus on getting people out of tin houses and sheds to provide them with proper training and a better living standard! This tune is being sung for well over a decade. I am sick of hearing how everything is blamed on apartheid. Can we focus on corruption? The 20% minority is paying the majority taxes! The minority is paying for everything and the majority is wasting it. Leave sport alone it's for the fun of the game. Any person with real talent WILL find a way into a national side! Without your rubbish comments.
mike 2/25/2010 9:24 AM
This buffoon has been around feathering his nest for much much too long. Just seeing his stupid face brjngs bad thoughts to mind!
Yes Sir2/25/2010 9:24 AM
You are goning to make an "hole" of yourself fielding an all-black socker team infront of the world. Sometihing wrong with this picture? Guess not... 80/20 who did the calculations-Mamela?
corrie2/25/2010 9:24 AM
ou sammy ,jy is nog te wit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Camel Man2/25/2010 9:22 AM
...blacks have striven to reconcile...Please Sam, you little ignorant man. Crime is at its highest rate ever. In yesterdays ODI, we had 6 players of colour. Rugby is predominantly white, because most blacks PLAY SOCCER. They maybe dont like rugby, so who cares. Keep the soccer black. You dont hear any winging about that, and you also dont mention it in your statement. Whites maybe dont like soccer, and those who do, will play elsewhere. Do you think that our stadiums will be filled with black supporters if our rugby teams are predominantly black? You suffer from small man sindrome, so get over your self.
Jack2/25/2010 9:22 AM
I agree in a way but don't do it at the cost of white people being left out of the teams when they are without a doubt better in certain positions. Get the kids involved in sport from a young age and the steadily progress through the ranks.
Nick2/25/2010 9:21 AM
Dead right Mark, and since they got rid of the WHITES out of the team, they have dropped +-80 positions on the FIFA World Ranking. But look on the bright side we do have the fastest 800m womes athelte in the world. The only problem is she's a Black Man. Sam, you such an idiot, you would rather have 2nd rate athlete's in a team because they are Black, rather than the best team, and then you go on to say they would be world beaters. You still live in a pipe dream @hole.
Lucas2/25/2010 9:21 AM
Hahaha !!!Good answer Mark. When is Bafana going to be transformed to represent the white, indian, asian, and colored population?
non-conformist2/25/2010 9:20 AM
So let's just make our Rugby and Cricket teams black too and then see how far we get...whatever happened to earning your place on merit?maybe over the next few years we can slowly implement this change but to say SA sport is still too white is just plain stupidity!!
Anonymous2/25/2010 9:20 AM
Genetics...genetics...genetics...Look at american sports...More black people in basketball, the running backs in american fooball are mostly back, the forwards mostly white..Rugby is preffered by white people due to genetics. That is why there are more whites in the forwards and the black players in the backline. And yes, you have to like the sport in order to play it. What majority of our population prefer soccer. When will the administrators decide to say "we need more white people to play soccer, there are tooo little whites in the PSL" Simple as that, White people prefer rugby to soccer...More english speaking whites prefer cricket to other sports etc. etc. These people are slowly creating a divided country because black people will be thinking that white people are not giving them enough oppurtunities and white people will have the perception that black people wont have to work harder than them.
The Voice of Reason2/25/2010 9:19 AM
@mark, you know that that isn't true, matthew patterson and mathew booth are both white. More importenly I think that there is a lot of truth in what he says about providing opportunites to more athletes. Most of the best sportsmen are going to come from private schools, they simply have better facilities and coaches. As it stands these schools are largly white, do to money and past disspareties. If we could provide more opportunities to young black athletes, I am sure that we would see more top black sportsmen.
Whitey2/25/2010 9:19 AM
Sam is in denial...
Jon2/25/2010 9:19 AM
Forget all this nonsense about how "grateful" whites are supposed to be, but aren't, for the so-called "magnanimity" of blacks. It's all bogus. Whites are actively discriminated against by having to take a back-seat to "quota" appointees of inferior talent. Nobody needs to be grateful for that and nor will they. Get used to it, Sam.
Drew2/25/2010 9:19 AM
Yes Sam, 16 years down the line with every sporting code in our great country represented, in council, by a true South African falvour, it is still the oppressive whites fault for poor team selection and results. Yet the only ones moaning ALL THE TIME are the same said officials who selected the said teams in the first place. Perhaps we should hold you accountable for no gold medals in the current winter olympics by that rational then? Pick up your bottom lip and build a bridge - like we have.
natasha2/25/2010 9:19 AM
Yep and noticed how many games they won?? Why does Ramsamy not go back to India where he belongs. All the white people are reaching out despite being murdered and slaughtered by the thousands since 1994. "Our" teams are open to ALL races.. and chosen on how well you play the game.. NOT the colour of your skin.
M2/25/2010 9:19 AM
Yes, why not. Let us change all our teams into black dominating teams - just like Bafana Bafana. How well will we perform then? Just as “great” as our wonderful football team!
Andrew2/25/2010 9:19 AM
So this means that Bafana will be at least 20% white, 5% indian, 10% coloured and 1% chinese and 64% black (equally mixed between Zulus, xhosas, venda ect) for the World Cup I assume. They can become the shining example of what a SA team can look and perform like,
hein2/25/2010 9:18 AM
Ja, here they go again with this racist crap! This is sport, you take the best, no matter how they look like, then you win! This is why SA is struggling with their sport.
peter2/25/2010 9:17 AM
As mark said look at out soccer team!! there is not one white perosn in the side except for Booth if he gets picked. There are lots of "players of colour" coming through the ranks, but you just cant make our teams politiacian friendly over night otherwise we will be useless in all spheres of sport. The day will come when there will be lots of black players playing rugby and hopefully vice versa whith Bafana but i highly doubt it. Just look at the varsity cup and the super 14 there are plenty of players coming through. So what i propose let sport take it's natural course and stop interfeering.
Sailor Sam2/25/2010 9:17 AM
South Africans should then support their children's sport from a young age. White South Africans are expected to pay club fees, entry fees, transport, etc. for previously disadvantaged athletes and are expected to provide moral support as well, and they don't expect anything in return. Why don't the majority put in a bit more effort? It takes commitment and hard work to achieve results.
sid2/25/2010 9:16 AM
If they carry on with this stupidity I will never support SA again , there is other countries to support!!! BEEE for sport ... it's a freakin joke ... it's there for our entertainment not for any political interference .. rather create political sports ... let julius win the 400m to get his next contracts
Hunter2/25/2010 9:15 AM
Absolutely , Bafana is clearly our most successful sports team.
Tappies2/25/2010 9:15 AM
Yes old Sam.... you are going back to the apartheid time again... please move on and don't become another malema !! Please wake up !!!.with 20% of whites thats left in SA, can you imagine how strong our sport will be if all the millions of whites return to SA again!!!!! Ramsamy is still stuck in the time before 1994...I feel so sorry for the old fart !!!
Munnster2/25/2010 9:14 AM
Once all the white sportsmen have left the country you can start your own "All Black" teams across the board Sam!! Thats what you want.
Punisher2/25/2010 9:14 AM
Perhaps one day we will live in a truly democratic society where sport players and job opportunities are awarded purely on merit and not on how black you are. Is that not the dream Mandela had?
John Soap2/25/2010 9:14 AM
Wow I never knew sport have anything to do with skin colour. Last time I checked they where not handing out Olympic medals to people based on skin colour. Catch a wake up South Africa the sooner we become a 'colour blind' society the better!
Kube$2/25/2010 9:14 AM
Yip, good point Mark
gerard2/25/2010 9:13 AM
Maybe a set of new glasses will let him see how bad the black teams are doing for sa.The ratiual card is played to its end if you are not good enough for a team you souldn`t be picked
Spook2/25/2010 9:13 AM
Come on, can't we get over this colour issue already. People get into sport because they are good at it. It shouldn't be about the colour of their skin. As for the national sports, we want the best team don't we???
Molly2/25/2010 9:11 AM
Yes, I agree Mark, we will start putting more Black players in the other sports once there are more whites in the Soccer team, EISH!
don't prolong the pain2/25/2010 9:11 AM
Why does he not just say once and for all that ALL whites are banned from partaking in, viewing or administrating any form of sport in the Republic of South Africa.
edmead2/25/2010 9:10 AM
This man is one of the biggest racists around. TALK ABOUT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK.
Kobus2/25/2010 9:10 AM
Typical dumb f!@#$ black. All afrikaans schools play rugby and most english schools play soccer. Black don't want to speak afrikaans and thus play mostly soccer and not rugby.
Carl2/25/2010 9:10 AM
Hehe, what shall we say about poor old Sam? Yes Sam, I agree :) lets integrate all sports immediately. I get the idea that you won't find rest for your soul unless all sport standards are brought down to the levels of our proud national soccer team.
don't prolong the pain2/25/2010 9:09 AM
Why does he not just say once and for all that ALL whites are banned from partaking in, viewing or administrating any form of sport in the Republic of South Africa.
StuartW2/25/2010 9:09 AM
Maybe they should start loooking at the administrators salaries, lifestyles ect and then ask why is nothing done at school levels to improve the conditions and give opportunities to kids from all races to be able to compete in sports. Then supply funds for them to be trained and to get the exposure...only then will you start seeing players of color coming through the ranks....no white player gets a position based on skin color, they all worked hard for it, some coming from disadvantaged areas as well, not all white people are wealthy.
CDS2/25/2010 9:05 AM
Wake up Sam, it's about the best player representing the national teams. You want sport teams to fall apart just like state owned corporations who is putting the wrong leaders at the helm just because they aren't white. Look at Eksdom, SAA, and and and. Please stop winning and start deserving to be put into a team or management position. The only way that will happen is when you work hard. Something that a lot of BEE employed monkeys know nothing about Pathetic, wants everything on a golden plate, and when the plate breaks, you still want a golden handshake, sad.
Steve2/25/2010 9:04 AM
and yes, look how great ASA has done since taken over by the 80% majority.. your chest must be swelling with pride...
wallie2/25/2010 9:03 AM
There he is, still battering whites: Raymond Weill watch Ramsamy!
Gerhard2/25/2010 9:03 AM
Oh Sammy, before I forget, please stop Lance Armstrong from attending the Argus...pssssst, he is WHITE!!!
Pierre2/25/2010 9:03 AM
This is so boring. Can't we have real news as apposed to having to read this rubbish. Why don't we rather rport on the gloabal warming hoax, or the HN1 fraud.
Lucas2/25/2010 9:03 AM
I view him in the same light as Winnie and Julias!!!
Gerhard2/25/2010 9:01 AM
Sammy, I have a good idea, why dont you bann all whites from all sports in SA. Or better yet, why dont you put them in concentration camps like you know who did to who during the second world war. With this pathetic attitude SA wont ever move forward in sports, politics etc. STOP blamming apartheid, get over it and move forward, PLEASE
Tsotsi2/25/2010 9:01 AM
Some more garbage from one of SA's most useless officials!
mark2/25/2010 8:57 AM
Yes, look at our Soccer team which is pitch black!!!!
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