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Caster testosterone 'natural'

2009-08-26 09:20
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Cape Town - South African track star Caster Semenya has been crucified prematurely, a leading Australian health researcher says.

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It was reported on Tuesday that preliminary testing showed the 18-year-old 800m world champion had three times the normal female level of testosterone.

The tests were conducted after Semenya's radically improved race times prompted doubts about her gender.

But according to the Sydney Morning Herald website, Susan Davis, a doctor and leading women's health researcher at Monash University, said there was a very large range of so-called "normal" testosterone levels that could naturally occur in women.

Professor Davis also said there were medical conditions that might naturally produce higher than average testosterone levels in a woman but in no way constitute gender ambiguity.

"To give (Semenya) the benefit of the doubt there are conditions in women that are associated with higher levels of testosterone that are quite normal (and occur) without them taking drugs or being a man," she said.

The most common such hormonal condition is polycystic ovarian syndrome, which affects between 5 and 10 percent of the population, the Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome Association of Australia says.

"In our society it's treated (with medication) because no one wants to have a hairy face or acne," Professor Davis said.

She said she worked with two female athletes with the condition.

"I have to be careful because, if I treat them to lower their testosterone levels and reduce excess facial hair or something, their sporting prowess diminishes," Professor Davis said.

"But they don't take testosterone, it's their natural biology."

In the absence of definitive test results, it was not possible to rule out that Semenya had a similar condition or naturally occurring higher than average testosterone levels, she said.

"There's always the possibility of testosterone abuse but one doesn't go to the world championships taking it, knowing that if you win you'll be tested," Professor Davis said.

"I think people should hold back a little bit... She might just be a female with biological variations that shouldn't detract from her competing as a female."

 

Your Comments

Alison9/27/2009 9:14 PM
My only concern is for the young lady's future, especially her sporting future. Will she be allowed to do the one thing that she loves, ie run? Who will she be allowed to compete against? There is no race for "intersex". As has already been stated, the testes MUST be removed as they can cause malignancy. I question whether these underdeveloped testes can secrete a significant amount of testosterone. Hopefully she can continue to run as a female if they are removed and her testosterone levels decrease. Whether she will want to after all the hype and humiliation is another story.
Giuseppe Bonaccorsi8/28/2009 7:58 PM
High natural testosterone in a woman means that she cannot run with woman. That is why in sport there are two major categories; Woman and man. If this is not understood or not considered essential by south africans just tell me why it is necessary to categorize. That its all. To blame are all that made a fuss and a political and racial speculative issue hurting without reasons Caster.
JustWondering8/27/2009 7:10 PM
I think Winnie Mandela needs to submit to a gender test herself. She looked rather masculine in that dodgy R 15.60 wig.
JustWondering8/26/2009 10:21 PM
I googled Jarmila Kratochvilova under Google Images. The thing that caught my attention the most was the amazing pair of hooters on picture 3, row 3. If she's a man, 90% of men wouldn't mind being gay lol.
ice belt8/26/2009 7:06 PM
how does the IAAF decide on who should be verified as a male or female? is it only based on suspion? if that's the case, i would they need to revisit their constitution,
Nick8/26/2009 6:27 PM
Lest we forget,the day belongs to Caster Semenya and family and friends from Moletjte.Why embark on political and racial fights using the poor girl's plight.We should be sensitive.God created her that way for a purpose.
Jerry8/26/2009 4:30 PM
If it's true that this issue was raised by SouthAfricans and elevated to the IAAF then we don't need these type of people in our country they can emigrate to Australia because that were most of them go anyway.Only the supportive and those who understand that being black does not mean someone inferior can live happy in RSA.
Chloe8/26/2009 4:01 PM
I was really disappointed this morn when Mr Zuma just simply stated twice in one sentence that she WILL keep her medal. Hey? This is something that needs to be verified scientifically. Surely a statesman waits for facts on the table? I was really confused this morning with all the drivel uttered by politicians. Honest to G-d it's scary. Hope she's okay though, in spite of everything. Crikey moses.
Thabo Mathe8/26/2009 3:43 PM
We as South African are proud of this girl, we have been waiting for some good story to happen. To all those that have a problem, they can all go to Australia we do not need them. My take is it better to live with people that love you, care about you than some people who do not have any other place to go to, then live here in south africa then question everything that we are doing. Please to the white south africans who want to remain here be supportive, understanding and help to build a better country.
Nkuza8/26/2009 2:47 PM
http://www.cojeco.cz/attach/photos/lide/Kratochvilova_48974/Jarmila-Kratochvilova-1max.jpg
mangina8/26/2009 2:17 PM
And now? Televised public apology from those responsible for the accusations? Imagine her trying to get a date now!
Darryl8/26/2009 2:16 PM
I cant quite understand how the race card has been pulled with this one??? Gender and race- two different things. Safa's are pre-occupied with issues surrounding race. The IAAF has the right to test for gender if need be, that is their right although they've handled it in undoubtably the most insensitive way. This is for you Julius 'Melanoma': we are world minno's and the development of our understanding with what happens in the rest of the world is inhibited by our emphatuation with issues of race and racial inequalities. This race rubbish is old news and holding is back as a nation. Im sure the IAAF and the rest of the world are laughing at us... small fry, years behind. This crap of saying that Semenya would never have been tested had she been anything but black is as rediculous as it sounds. Her Father said it himself, she never wore dresses, she always played with boys. Nothing wrong with that, but its hinting at the same issue that the IAAF have discovered. They should've been more sensitive though! Nevertheless, Viva Semenya, good work young lady, as a SAfrican I'm proud but if there are some issues to be dealt with to verify your achievement then so be it...
Happy8/26/2009 2:10 PM
He is a girl dont judge God pliz
Anon1 @ Afrika8/26/2009 2:07 PM
"forefathers robbed africans,they implemented laws that would make a black person inferior than a white being assisted by a cruel,evil government" this ironically sounds strangely applicable today with us being robbed (crime levels) and AA/BBBEE policies by government? What is different between the old and new government, ironically not much!
Caiphus8/26/2009 12:47 PM
IAAF - whatever their agenda is it sucks-klaar finished. Unless the parrot media did put everything out of proportion. They like to see (Not always) and get PPL talking-Its their Job. Is this PPL testing or verifying if Mokgadi had “unfair advantage” (e.g. use of steroid, Spring shoes (like a Kangaroo) or ‘Biological’ advantage condition-medical condition might naturally produce higher than average testosterone levels in a woman but in no way constitute gender ambiguity.) over other competitors? Or is their agenda to define on their own right a “woman in athletics” and I am talking GENDER/SEX here-and match Mokgadi’s characteristic (its science mos) referenced against that model/sample? Gender- get real IAAF- you wanna really say seeing is believing –she is also then entitled to do the same on the “Verifier” Klaar quote: I treat them to lower their testosterone levels and reduce excess facial hair-Is Bin Laden and his PPL suffering from excessive amount of Testosterone production-is that the reason they are not competing.
Fellow man8/26/2009 12:42 PM
@ africa. Thank you for your comments. You just proofed the point. Whites today that had absolutely nothing to do with slavery or apartheid etc gets blamed for things their forefathers did. If your grandfather was a murderer, and he died long ago, and then 40 years later you are born, dont you think its a bit k@k to get judged for what your forefather did? thats what being a white is all about. Getting the blame for everything. Eskom for example, has been run by black business men for over 10 years now. Last year the shit hit the fan, and what happens? they blame the whites. An athlete gets asked to proof gengere (male or female), then it turns into a racist issue. No one asked caster if she is black, so why is it an race issue now? You speak of hate for whites, that is racist. So why does that make you different from a whit racist?
Non-Racist8/26/2009 12:34 PM
@mikeh..."after all.most whites have real jobs" quite hypocritical of u dont u think??? Mr Malema is the biggest racist...
John8/26/2009 12:00 PM
I think malema should be tested..........for rabies...?
oskatini8/26/2009 11:57 AM
OR TAMBO was turned into a big top arena for certain ANC and ASA clowns. A great internation venue for a typical political circus steamed with hatred towards whites and international sources. The main act were the athletes who became a side show because of the clowns julius, winnine, leanard etc etc spueing their wroth. How ever be careful very careful their acts may not be that funny.
Hobbs8/26/2009 11:38 AM
try it for yourself... it is not as simple as 1-2-3... male or female, or what ever... congrats!!! Olympics beckon for this bright young talent if she is given the all clear!!! http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/gendertest/gendertest.html
Afrika8/26/2009 11:37 AM
Im disgusted by comments made by MIKEH,BUTCH,FELLOWMAN it just proves that you are the descendants of vipers with venomous poison.When rugby,cricket teams arrive who keeps the economy,with comments like these from these three people nowonder theres is still so much hatred for a white person bcoz number one- your forefathers robbed africans,they implemented laws that would make a black person inferior than a white being assisted by a cruel,evil government so your amateurish comments dont help but only stir up hatred of UMLUNGU so stop this nonsense before you become a victim of hatred from a blackman,ironically not all white south africans are like you some understand blackmans pain.THE TIME OF BOWING DOWN TO A WHITEMAN IS OVER U R EITHER SOUTH AFRICAN OR GO BACK TO EUROPE AND MAKE ALL THE NOISE BUT NOT HERE .To other fellow white patriotic soth african my heart is with u guys as and when these ugly things happen u r also painted with the same brush as these insensitive people like MIKEH,BUTCH.FELLOW-MAN shame on you heartless animals with no conscience,if this happened to your sister how would you feel! Change your hearts and come to JESUS he will make you human beings with human hearts again and remove stony hearts !
Zorro8/26/2009 11:31 AM
The old saying goes "genitalia maketh a gender". Enough already with this XX, XY chromosome staff. Her mother gave birth to a girl and no test can change that.It is reported that an email was sent from our very shores to the IAAF.I obviously smell a racism rat.
M8/26/2009 11:18 AM
@African Child: I fully agree with you on Kratochvilova. But look carefully, she was an athlete in the 80's, they could hardly test for steroids at the time. She would never have past tests if this happened 10 years later. Sadly a lot of athletes used illegal substances at the time, especially the Soviets and the Americans.
Liam8/26/2009 11:16 AM
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
M8/26/2009 11:16 AM
@tshepo: We are all supporting her! You racist! But lets wait for the tests, shall we? Malema is an idiot, he wouldn't even know how to spell female. I mean what are the ANCYL and Winnie doing there in the first place? To show how little they know about athletics? We already knew that. Porkie and wigman should stay at home
James8/26/2009 11:15 AM
Can you believe Inkwenkwe Malema when he says somebody is a woman?
Boertjie8/26/2009 11:15 AM
The ANC reaction to this saga has once again underscored why I am not interested in any sport any more - not athletics, not rugby, not soccer, not provincial, not national - ever since 1994. It's "bread and games" to keep the plebs occupied, all over again. Perhaps no whites where there to welcome the team because they had to work?
charles8/26/2009 11:11 AM
In SA and elsewhere it seems that everything is coupled to race below is an excerpt from an email Michael Richards better known as Kramer from TVs Seinfeld does make a good point. This was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act. He makes some very interesting points... Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this? There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey,' 'Whitey,' 'Caveman'... and that's OK.. But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink .. You call me a racist. You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you... so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live? You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP. You have BET. If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists. If we had White History Month, we'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists. We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that?? A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant. If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US .. Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college. In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists. You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist. I am proud.... But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists?? BE PROUD TO BE WHITE! It's not a crime YET... but getting very close!
Clinton8/26/2009 11:07 AM
I think that the IAAF should be brought to book for handeling this entire situation like they did. I also think that its disgraceful to see that the same old political attention seekers are using this little 18 year old girl to again premote their own agenda and trying to base this on the color of our skins again. I am so sick of this race obsessed induviduals whom seems to be the biggest racist and obsticles in this great country of ours. Caster, do us all a favour and practice your democratic right to do WHAT YOU WANT TO DO and not what the IAAF, ASA, Juluis or any other person tries to get you to do. You are an exeptional athlete and i hope that our fellow county men trying to use you realises this and support you for whats best for you. I am apparently not allowed to claim support towards your cause as my skin is white, but as an South African i am proud of your achievements and proud to have sat and wathced you achieve this with my 3 year old little girl exclaiming that one day she would like to be like that auntie and run that fast.
Durbangirl@Willi8/26/2009 11:07 AM
I am Coloured as well and never have I heard a coloured caught in a situation say "because I am coloured" or put the blame either on a White South African or a Black South African as you say it is because of them we are here and quite frankly I proud firstly to be South African and proud of my race, and it is such a shame that instead of us as South Africans uniting together regarding the "Caster gender testing" the race card came out quicker than the Vodacom Durban July, I can imagine what the world is saying and we the 2010 host country!!!!!!!!!! But hey if a person keeps on looking at the past and never seeing what their feature holds for them they will stay locked in their mindset and keep telling themselves it is the whites that exposed this thing about Caster, yet Caster is well aware that "her" appearance has been brought into question many a times and it has been done by her very own, before Berlin I dont think any white, coloured, indian or even african South African heard about Caster suddenly the "gender testing" is thrown out the and the white man is blamed what a sick joke!!!!!!!!! Why dont every person wait for the results to be revealed in a few weeks time and then voice honest opinions and not opinions based on race
Kris8/26/2009 11:07 AM
The conference at the airport was terrible -did any of the politicians actually turn up to support her or did they use it as a platform for their political diatribe? Did anyone notice how dis-interested she seemed at all with the politicians taking centre stage? I absolutely love sports but can never bear the politics that goes hand in hand. Good luck to her and all the best for whatever the outcomes of IAAF tests.
Nicky8/26/2009 11:07 AM
I can only say this: As a white South African who loves my sport and supports any person or team who excels at what they do when representing our country in particular, i was disgusted and humiliated when i saw how a certain part of our population behaved at the airport yesterday, and more so the comments and behaviour of senior people from ASA and our government! What the hell must the rest of the world think of us, acting like wild animals... WTF.
Nicky8/26/2009 11:06 AM
I can only say this: As a white South African who loves my sport and supports any person or team who excels at what they do when representing our country in particular, i was disgusted and humiliated when i saw how a certain part of our population behaved at the airport yesterday, and more so the comments and behaviour of senior people from ASA and our government! What the hell must the rest of the world think of us, acting like wild animals... WTF.
Nicky8/26/2009 11:04 AM
I can only say this: As a white South African who loves my sport and supports any person or team who excels at what they do when representing our country in particular, i was disgusted and humiliated when i saw how a certain part of our population behaved at the airport yesterday, and more so the comments and behaviour of senior people from ASA and our government! What the hell must the rest of the world think of us, acting like wild animals... WTF.
Nicky8/26/2009 11:03 AM
I can only say this: As a white South African who loves my sport and supports any person or team who excels at what they do when representing our country in particular, i was disgusted and humiliated when i saw how a certain part of our population behaved at the airport yesterday, and more so the comments and behaviour of senior people from ASA and our government! What the hell must the rest of the world think of us, acting like wild animals... WTF.
Wishful athlete8/26/2009 11:01 AM
Goodness....Julian's thread does throw new light on the issue. As a wishful athlete, 16 odd seconds improvement in 1 semester....hmmmm????
tshepo8/26/2009 11:01 AM
the comments from some white south africans here are appalling, no wonder Malema says what he said. It's almost like most of them want Semenya to be certified a "male" come on guys Semenya is one of our own, and if she isn't cheating we must stand up for her.
Fellow man8/26/2009 11:01 AM
If it walks like a man, talks like a man, then it must be a man. There is no way that Caster is a woman. DNA test will proof that. @bernie. Whites will always take the blame for everything. its the only defense they know, cause they dont know better. Get use to it, and laugh it off, cause without us, they would not be where they are today, so take pride in being white.
cori8/26/2009 10:57 AM
Told all of you that it wa snot the Ozzies. i am here for crying out loud. They know their stuff here. The rumour about Ozzies saying she is a man are really untrue just as I told you! We discussed this with a couple of Ozzies the other day and they were so sorry for her and believe her to be innocent just as I do
mikeh8/26/2009 10:57 AM
The whites weren't at the airport because they were at work trying to keep the economy going. After all most whites have real jobs, unlike dear Julius whose only job seems to be to shout his mouth off. If anyone is a racist, he is.
AC-JHB8/26/2009 10:54 AM
There were no whites at the airport because they were all at work. Besides, the whites wern't offered to be bussed in for free, given a plackard and told to sing and dance.
jony8/26/2009 10:53 AM
Malema, Chuene, Winnie - if people listen to these 3 clowns we are in big trouble. One is more daft than the other. I wonder if any of them can even spell equality.
jony8/26/2009 10:53 AM
Malema, Chuene, Winnie - if people listen to these 3 clowns we are in big trouble. One is more daft than the other. I wonder if any of them can even spell equality.
BUTCH8/26/2009 10:52 AM
Just listen how "she" talks nevermind how "she" looks. I think the tests will do the talking. Its not a matter of racist, them have been many woman, white and black, sbjected to this in the past. Its nothing new so all you black rascists please keep your mouths closed untill you have the facts
sudika8/26/2009 10:51 AM
Just google Jarmila Kratochvilova as African child said. Even as a man she would be ugly! And look at her bulge in the shorts! Semenya looks very feminine next to Kratochvilova
BUTCH8/26/2009 10:48 AM
Just listen how "she" talks nevermind how "she" looks. I think the tests will do the talking. Its not a matter of racist, them have been many woman, white and black, sbjected to this in the past. Its nothing new so all you black rascists please keep your mouths closed untill you have the facts
Alex8/26/2009 10:47 AM
I am sorry to be so blunt, but as a British person who has happily emigrated to live in South Africa I am embarrassed by the Daily Mail's article posted above. It’s a typical example of what is now all to common – horribly poor British journalism While I agree that one needs to check to see if cheating is going-on, SURELY this should have been done with extreme sensitivity? The manner in which this has erupted is totally inappropriate. This DM article fails to appropriately acknowledge this fact, and rather beats on about how suspicious it is that she is running so much faster? Such an improvement is NOT, as he not-so-subtly suggests is the case, utterly implausible considering her age (17 to 18 & ½ is indeed a period of great physical development, and her recent involvement in high level athletics training surely would account for much of this too). Such cavalier dismissal of a person’s rights in favour of ‘rules-is-rules’ mentality makes me ashamed to be British, and to have this idiot writing an article -seemingly completely insensitive to this fact- is personally offensive to me. I support Caster. I do, however, think that appropriate tests should be allowed, so that she can compete internationally with a clean record and win all her future medals with no question at all as to their legitimacy. But I believe this should all have been done sensitively and discretely. I wish her the very best, and hope the IAAF is gracious enough to apologise for the insensitive manner in which they have handled this. I doubt that people such as Mr Samuel would be gracious enough to acknowledge their own lack of sensitivity however.
mikeh8/26/2009 10:47 AM
It must be the fault of apartheid. Everything that gets screwed up by the new dispensation, blames it on apartheid, so why not this saga. Of course there is a new kind of apartheid now, where it is better to have unfilled posts in government departments, than fill the posts with qualified whites. No wonder service delivery is like it is.
TBoy8/26/2009 10:42 AM
personally, this so called sporting rivalry with Aus.. has gone too far. It is hightime someone at some level in Australia must been held accountable. We have had these negative reporting from the media with readiness for 2010, the cricket team players etc. I would even go to an exrend suggesting a diplomatic row. I bet my last dollar, it is not the hear of this racist idiot. I wonder if this country can be invaded for harbouring image terrosists?
IM8/26/2009 10:42 AM
It's a shame in Africa Politicians hijack events for their own mileage. Well done little gal. South Africans are proud of you. President Zuma your comment was the best a father can give. Proud of Caster. To sports management put papers in order before events and stop embarrasing the nation and stop using politicians to clean your mess.
Sinudeity @Kitten8/26/2009 10:41 AM
Because, we were working?
Yaba!8/26/2009 10:40 AM
The goal posts have changed , its no longer gender testing, but a check for substance abuse. At the rate Bolt is breaking these world records would it be suprising that he has 10 TIMES higher testosterone levels ! And what then is he or it if you like? "Poloticians" should stop using Semenya for ulterior , racist and sexist motives. I watched them on telly , I got the sense that most of them did not see her present at the table- disgusting indeed.
Sharksman8/26/2009 10:40 AM
If it looks like chicken, if it smells like chicken, if it tastes like chicken...Then its probably a chicken.
DA8/26/2009 10:38 AM
There were no whites at the airport because athletics isn't followed as closely as rugby! Rugby is SA's no 1 sport - who the hell watches athletics except for the olympics? Howcome all the whites are there to welcome the boks back when ther're plenty of blacks in the bok team? Quit playing the race card! It's BS and shows lack of intelegence!
Aah beg yaws....8/26/2009 10:35 AM
Jeeeeez Julian, can you put all that into about 12 lines, its exhausting just looking at your comment, plus do you think someone is going to forfeit 20 minutes of their lives reading what you have to day, 20 seconds maybe but 20 minutes .... F..K that! (PS: Mothers have been known to lie to improve their kids self esteem).
African Child8/26/2009 10:34 AM
I wonder why Jarmila Kratochvílová (google her you'll see for yourself) was never subjected to all this abuse. She looks 10 times more masculine than Semenya. Entering a one-off 800m race in Munich at the age of 32, reportedly as a training exercise, she broke the world record with 1:53.28 in 1983 marking a new (and still unbeaten) world record. She was declared an Athlete of the World in that year and not the News Maker of the year. Caster clocked 1:55.45 at the age of 18. Isn't the whole world threatened by this young woman... Or is it that Africans aren't worthy of such praises.
Mpho8/26/2009 10:33 AM
It seems as if Malema "the I****" wished that he was there during apartheid struggle.He should stop blaming whites when things go wrong in SA.the only thing he does is to mess up SA thinking that he is smart.
Glenn8/26/2009 10:30 AM
Jeez Julian....you obviously must be on pension! Informative though...
Louis8/26/2009 10:30 AM
Julian the Info you provided puts a whole new perspective on the situation. I really hope she is clean of any steroids or other drugs. Those east German woman of the eighties really looked like men.
Who's the racist8/26/2009 10:29 AM
Athletics SA, we all know that the officials are only there for the party and free holiday, they don't really care for the athletes. If they were really serious about their work in protecting our athletes they would have done all their paperwork and sort this issue before the WG. Allegations against Caster are not new so it is not as if they were not aware of it. When the first allegations surfaced they should have been able to provide factual information to the press and nip the rumours for once and all. But no rather again they play the race card. It is so much easier than doing your work.
Cadence8/26/2009 10:28 AM
How embarrassing to read the comments from the likes of Malema etc... They really know how to show the world their true ignorance and why SA will never be a first world country. It's not always about racism!!! Get off your high horses and do something constructive for the country for a change.
Who's the racist8/26/2009 10:27 AM
Athletics SA, we all know that the officials are only there for the party and free holiday, they don't really care for the athletes. If they were really serious about their work in protecting our athletes they would have done all their paperwork and sort this issue before the WG. Allegations against Caster are not new so it is not as if they were not aware of it. When the first allegations surfaced they should have been able to provide factual information to the press and nip the rumours for once and all. But no rather again they play the race card. It is so much easier than doing your work.
Down with Caster8/26/2009 10:23 AM
I'm not one for patriotic dribble. The fact of the matter is we are aware of a number of people that are born as hermaphrodites. That is a reality. A decision is then made whether they should be male or female and the "extra" genetalia is removed or closed up. The fact that she looks like Butch Sunday really does beg the question about an unfair advantage. This reminds me of the first outbreak of the cricket news when most south africans expressed outrage at the racist indian media that dared to suggest our players accepted bribes.....and gues what happened. If this IT needs to be physically examined and medical tests be done then so be it. A requirement that we comply with international competition rules does not mean that the world is racist. Get real. IT MUST BE TESTED
Cadence8/26/2009 10:22 AM
How embarrassing to read the comments from the likes of Malema etc... They really know how to show the world their true ignorance and why SA will never be a first world country. It's not always about racism!!! Get off your high horses and do something constructive for the country for a change.
Kitten8/26/2009 10:22 AM
I agree that it's unneccessary for this to be turned into a racial issue...but one could not help but notice that certain colours of "Our Rainbow Nation" were absent in welcoming our team that raised our flag as a nation.
Who's the racist8/26/2009 10:20 AM
Athletics SA, we all know that the officials are only there for the party and free holiday, they don't really care for the athletes. If they were really serious about their work in protecting our athletes they would have done all their paperwork and sort this issue before the WG. Allegations against Caster are not new so it is not as if they were not aware of it. When the first allegations surfaced they should have been able to provide factual information to the press and nip the rumours for once and all. But no rather again they play the race card. It is so much easier than doing your work.
Willi8/26/2009 10:17 AM
Where there is no alternative,there is no problem. I'm coloured and I'm soo sick of the oldtime superior white and desperate black debate. Because of you I exist. What defines coloured people from you guys,is the fact that we see people as people, we dont see colour and treat people accordingly. Please stop defending your race and do exactly what the Bible says, love thy neigbour as you love yourself, and think more of others than yourself. Start Praying for Caster,cause we're first and foremost spiritual beings!!By the way, I'm a clinical psychologist professionally.
Mell8/26/2009 10:16 AM
I met her in a club down in old Soho Where you drink champagne and it tastes just like cherry-cola [LP version: Coca-Cola] C-O-L-A cola She walked up to me and she asked me to dance I asked her her name and in a DARK BROWN voice she said Lola L-O-L-A Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Well I'm not the world's most physical guy But when she squeezed me tight she nearly broke my spine Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand Why she walked like a woman and talked like a man Oh my Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Well we drank champagne and danced all night Under electric candlelight She picked me up and sat me on her knee And said little boy won't you come home with me Well I'm not the world's most passionate guy But when I looked in her eyes well I almost fell for my Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola I pushed her away I walked to the door I fell to the floor I got down on my knees Well I looked at her and she at me Well that's the way that I want it to stay And I'll always want it to be that way for my Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Girls will be boys and boys will be girls It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Well I'd left home just a week before And I'd never ever kissed a woman before But Lola smiled and took me by the hand And said little boy I'm gonna make you a man Well I'm not the world's most masculine man But I know what I am and IN BED I'm a man And so is Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola lo-lo-lo-lo Lola
M8/26/2009 10:12 AM
@Richard: Get your facts straight, she is not the first athlete to be tested. Secondly dear friend, once again, get your facts straight, having XX chromosomes proves nothing (one gets people with XX chromosomes that have male genitalia). Maybe you should read up some more before commenting. And to respond to Prof. Davis, yes it is "natural" we all get that fact, but if a Testosterone level is above a certain "normal" level it become and ADVANTAGE. Maybe Prof Davis should come and talk to bodybuilding experts that will tell you, additional Testosterone gives a bodybuilder an advantage both in strength and in size. This is more pronounced in women than in men since men already have approximately 10 times more Testosterone.
Jon8/26/2009 10:08 AM
And I see it was one of those "imperialist, racist Australians" who has made this statement of medical fact... would everyone please note. Maybe it's time to rein back all the generalisations that have been bandied about.
Samantha Moolman8/26/2009 10:00 AM
This article is what should have been published by the media from the beginning. The way the media treated the issue left people wondering about Semenya's gender. But the case was never about gender ambiguity, it was about whether or not she has a biological advantage. The media should be careful how they treat issues like this, because the public trusts what they say as if it is the gospel... Many people still believe Semenya might be a man.
Geneticist8/26/2009 9:58 AM
Finally someone talking science and sense and not politics!!!!! THANK YOU! Also have a look at: http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/gendertest/gendertest.swf
Peché Africa8/26/2009 9:57 AM
What a woman, I see many more records to come from her!
Wazza8/26/2009 9:56 AM
So where are all the idiots calling whites racist now? Let the process take its course.
Justwondering8/26/2009 9:56 AM
I believe in due process but I wonder what Winnie Mandela with her two dollar wig will say if indeed Semenya used performance enhancing drugs etc. All those mamparas including Malema will have to wipe the egg off their faces. Better yet, let Semenya lick it off Malema's face-I'm sure he'll love that. ANC, do us all a favour, stop politicizing everything and stick to what you're good at-effing up a country.
Justwondering8/26/2009 9:56 AM
I believe in due process but I wonder what Winnie Mandela with her two dollar wig will say if indeed Semenya used performance enhancing drugs etc. All those mamparas including Malema will have to wipe the egg off their faces. Better yet, let Semenya lick it off Malema's face-I'm sure he'll love that. ANC, do us all a favour, stop politicizing everything and stick to what you're good at-effing up a country.
Nico8/26/2009 9:55 AM
And this coming from an Aussie...sjoe. I am speechless ;-) Good on her though!
Ants8/26/2009 9:54 AM
Caster did really well!! Congrats. Regarding the levels testosterone in her system, I cannot remark because I do not know enough. What I can remark abouth however is the fact that MALEMA has turned the whole incident of Casters return into a racial thing. This makes me sooooo sick! She did get a hero's welcome - she deserved it! Sorry that there was not enough whities (Most have left the country) - we cannot do anything right (or wrong) and it is RACIAL. Get over yourself MALEMA - YOU are a hateful racist ***hole. People with you mentality will allow that SA will never, EVER get over the whole Aparheid, white, black thing
Geneticist8/26/2009 9:52 AM
Finally someone talking science and sense and not politics!!!!! THANK YOU! Also have a look at: http://www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/gendertest/gendertest.swf
AK8/26/2009 9:48 AM
So far the most sensible explanation. Why aren't the experts consulted first?
Richard8/26/2009 9:46 AM
I find it totally unacceptable that Caster Semenya is the only female athlete to be subjected to gender testing. If this is such a big issue then either all the athletes or none should get this treatment. Furthermore, the only definitive test is going to be a test for the Y chromosome, absence thereof would indicate she is completely woman. Finally the fact of the matter is that even if she has a rare genetic problem and is found not to be 100% woman biologically: it is not as if she, her parents or South Africa were attempting to cheat by placing her in the female category. She was born and raised as a female and therefore should be treated as one and at the very least deserves the dignity to be treated as she sees herself.
Julian8/26/2009 9:45 AM
Early reports emanating from the investigation into the incredible performance at the World Athletics Championships of Caster Semenya, the 18-year-old South African runner, suggest she has uncommonly elevated testosterone levels in her body for a female. The analysis is believed to have been carried out in South Africa prior to the event in which Semenya won gold, the women’s 800 metres. Results showed that Semenya recorded levels of the male hormone that were three times over what is considered normal. The gender verification test, requested by the IAAF, was in part inspired by this knowledge. It has also been revealed that the South African athletics team has recently been working with Dr Ekkart Arbeit, the coach of East Germany when that country was involved in a systematic doping programme. Arbeit was head of throwing events from 1982-88 and chief coach from 1989-90. Dr Werner Franke, the German parliamentary investigator into the secret police files detailing East German drug abuse in sport, described Arbeit as ‘a major person responsible for the use of anabolic steroids’. ‘At the time he was coach there were plans of who should take how much drugs and how this should be co-ordinated,’ said Franke. ‘All this was his responsibility. The head coach was always involved in drug abuse. He did not give the pills but he is clearly in the chain of criminals because he was determining who should receive what. Whole tables of drugs have been published of throwers and what they took.’ Chequered past: Dr Arbeit, pictured in 2003 Heidi Krieger, an East German shot putter and gold medallist at the European Championships in 1986, blamed Arbeit for a programme of drugs so powerful that it left her with all the traits of manhood bar one. By 1997, she felt she had no choice but to correct that and underwent sex change surgery. She now lives as Andreas Krieger. More of him/her later. So can we give it a rest now, please? The bleeding heart sermons, the self-righteous case for the defence, the heartbreaking tales of an innocent abroad. Semenya, 36th of 44 at the World Junior Championships in July 2008, improved her time by 16.53sec in 13 months to take gold in Berlin last week. There is no logic to that improvement. Her physical appearance is masculine and now it transpires her team are working with a coach who was implicated in a major drug abuse scandal that resulted in some female athletes developing male characteristics. We have enough here, don’t you think? Not to convict Semenya as a cheat, because perhaps there is an innocent explanation, but to feel unencumbered, free to ask questions or reserve judgment until the laboratory reports are in, without receiving pious lectures about cynicism or the wicked hounding of a naive young girl. Krieger, a tireless campaigner against doping to the extent that the Heidi Krieger Medal is presented to those who have led the fight against drugs in sport, was in Berlin for the World Athletics Championships. Asked about Semenya, he said: ‘I think it is disgusting that it is being publicly discussed. Who has the right to be judging someone’s gender? It is very unfair that the finger is being pointed at her in this way. It is her issue, hers alone. It is nothing to do with the rest of the world.’ Tireless campaigner: Krieger More from Martin Samuel... Martin Samuel: It was like a horror movie: I took my boys to see a 'real' game, but now that all seems a rotten joke 26/08/09 Martin Samuel on Andrew Flintoff: 'I'm not a great cricketer, I'd much rather be known as a decent bloke' 24/08/09 Martin Samuel: Course we were going to win, but don't say you didn't fear the worst 23/08/09 Martin Samuel: Why blame Harry Redknapp when the buck stops in the boardroom? 23/08/09 Martin Samuel: The old king is dead...so let's build a new team of heroes 21/08/09 Martin Samuel: It's not all about you, Billy Bowden. Just get on with umpiring 20/08/09 MARTIN SAMUEL: This barrage of grief is our worst enemy 20/08/09 MARTIN SAMUEL:Arshavin, from Russia with a touch of Brazil 18/08/09 VIEW FULL ARCHIVE With respect, sir/madam, oh yes it is. Athletics lost its entitlement to benefit of the doubt long ago, as your existence verifies. Even Usain Bolt admits to understanding why some are sceptical about his feats in the 100m. Unlike with Semenya, however, there is an immediately apparent and coherent rationalisation for them. Sprinting has long been dominated by men of medium height because getting out of the blocks is important and the taller you are the harder it gets; therefore, if there was an elite standard athlete who was 6ft 5in but could start as powerfully as a shorter, stockier man, his length of stride would be so immense by comparison it would eat up the track like never before. Along comes Bolt. QED. There is constancy, too, from his time as a junior. He won gold in the 200m at the World Junior Championships, he broke the junior 200m world record at the 2004 CARIFTA Games, he broke the Jamaican national 200m record in 2007. Compare that to Semenya, who ran 2min 11.98sec in the World Junior Championships in July 2008, finishing seventh of nine in her heat, 2:04.23 to take gold in the Commonwealth Youth Games in October 2008, and 1:55.45 to win the World Athletics Championships in August 2009. The minute she steps on the public stage the explanation for that improvement is no longer her business alone, particularly if it materialises that her federation is choosing to work with a drug cheat. It would not be alone in this, of course. Denise Lewis, the British heptathlete, employed Arbeit in 2003. He has chaired seminars on behalf of the IAAF and would have been a coach for Athletics Australia had nationwide protest, including that of some athletes, not killed the deal. Athletics South Africa had tried to use him previously, too, but had backed away in similar circumstances. Leiws and Arbeit, pictured at 2003's European Cup in Tallinn Perhaps sufficient distance has now been placed between Arbeit and his past for it to be acceptable. After all, the coach to the Great Britain rowing team is Jurgen Grobler, who also benefited from the discredited East German regime. After coaching British gold medallists in every Olympic Games from 1992 onward (he had previously coached East German gold medallists in every Olympic Games from 1972-88) his dirty beginnings were forgiven with an OBE. Such rehabilitation is widespread. One of the most fervently celebrated gold medals of the World Athletics Championships was awarded to Robert Harting of Germany in the discus. Harting’s coach is Werner Goldmann, another relic of East Germany’s doping past. So while it may be painful for Semenya’s examination to be a public one, sport cannot continue to forge links with its polluted history while demanding public trust. Semenya received a hero’s welcome on her return to Johannesburg, plus the staunch support of Leonard Chuene, president of Athletics South Africa. ‘We have not once doubted her,’ he said. Hero's reception: there were amazing scenes when Semenya (gesturing) returned to her native South Africa after winning the World Championships 800m gold medal in Berlin ‘We took this child to Poland to the World Junior Championships under the IAAF. She was accepted there. Why was there no story about it? No-one said anything because she did not do anything special.’ Chuene answered his own question. Semenya ran the 36th best junior time in the world and received little attention. Then she knocked 16.53sec off that 13 months later and antennae started twitching; as anybody with a basic knowledge of athletics would understand. Her features are only part of the concern. She could have the most conventional feminine appearance and her rapidly improved times would arouse suspicion just the same. Remember Florence Griffith-Joyner? In her home country, defending Semenya is now a cause celebre and the IAAF will have to stay strong to see its investigations through. The South African parliament is preparing to file a complaint with the United Nations Commissioner of Human Rights, alleging gross and severe undermining of rights and privacy, while Chuene has resigned from the IAAF in protest (a pity he did not feel as principled when his organisation employed Arbeit). ‘We are talking about a child whose name has been dragged through the dirt,’ he added. ‘If gender tests had to take place, they should have been done quietly.’ Popular figure: Semenya supporters sang, danced and cheered her return to Johannesburg Why? Semenya, who at 18 is not a child, is not scrutinised quietly because she does not run quietly, as yesterday’s scenes at the OR Tambo International Airport testified. She runs before a capacity crowd at the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, in a branded event awash with money from sponsors and spectators. When she runs she represents a sport that has tried the patience and crushed the human disposition to think the best of people more times than it is possible to remember. Butana Komphela, chairman of the South African parliament’s Portfolio Committee on Sport and Recreation, alleged sexism and racism. ‘The humiliation of Semenya is a sign of sexist action by the IAAF,’ he said. ‘When Caster comes back we will welcome her as our heroine. Just because she is black and she has surpassed her European competitors, there is all this uproar.’ How perceptive. It is the one field where black folk just can’t catch a break, isn’t it, athletics? That and dance music. As for sexism, why would an investigation designed to ensure female athletes are not being forced into competition against an abnormally masculine rival be misogynistic? After all, it was not just the IAAF that harboured suspicions. Competitors and observers around the world thought there was something unusual in a woman who appeared masculine and came from nowhere with an improvement of 16.53sec in one season, to be the fastest in the world over 800m while coached by a former East German drug cheat. In any other sport, there would be questions; in any other sport the demand would be for transparency. This is not about human rights or human cynicism. Athletics cannot afford to dismiss the questions over Semenya or hide the process. When even the achievements of the greatest athlete in the world come with a caveat, athletics has forfeited its right to be taken at face value. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-1209023/Martin-Samuel-Weve-right-bang-sex.html#ixzz0PGxQS1Xv
Johncarlos8/26/2009 9:44 AM
I think its best if we all wait for the results. It really sucks when we keep speculating
Bernie8/26/2009 9:43 AM
why is it that whites in SA are now being blamed for being racist about something we had nothing to do with? I was at my home minding my own business, didn't know about Caster Semenya's existence nor did I request a gender test on anyone, why do I feel that all whites are innocently being blamed just for not being black???
Luke8/26/2009 9:38 AM
The way in which Chuene, Malema and their cronies humiliated this girl is absolutely disgusting.
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